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no /etc/inittab

Started byPierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com>
First post2017-08-14 11:50 +0200
Last post2017-08-19 10:40 +0200
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  no /etc/inittab Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> - 2017-08-14 11:50 +0200
    Re: no /etc/inittab Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2017-08-14 13:00 +0200
      Re: no /etc/inittab Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> - 2017-08-14 13:10 +0200
        Re: no /etc/inittab Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2017-08-14 13:40 +0200
          Re: no /etc/inittab Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> - 2017-08-14 13:50 +0200
          Re: no /etc/inittab Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-08-14 18:10 +0200
            Re: no /etc/inittab Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2017-08-14 23:20 +0200
        Re: no /etc/inittab Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2017-08-14 14:00 +0200
          Re: no /etc/inittab Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> - 2017-08-14 15:00 +0200
          Re: no /etc/inittab Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2017-08-14 15:30 +0200
            Re: no /etc/inittab Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2017-08-14 15:50 +0200
              Re: no /etc/inittab Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> - 2017-08-14 16:00 +0200
                Re: no /etc/inittab Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org.uk> - 2017-08-14 16:10 +0200
                  Re: no /etc/inittab Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> - 2017-08-14 16:30 +0200
                    Re: no /etc/inittab Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org.uk> - 2017-08-14 16:40 +0200
                      Re: no /etc/inittab Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> - 2017-08-14 18:30 +0200
              Re: no /etc/inittab Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@debian.org> - 2017-08-14 16:30 +0200
                Re: no /etc/inittab Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2017-08-14 17:30 +0200
                  Re: no /etc/inittab Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@debian.org> - 2017-08-14 18:20 +0200
                    Re: no /etc/inittab David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-08-15 19:10 +0200
            Re: no /etc/inittab Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2017-08-19 12:10 +0200
              Re: no /etc/inittab David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-08-19 22:10 +0200
                Re: no /etc/inittab Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2017-08-19 23:00 +0200
      Re: no /etc/inittab deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2017-08-14 16:30 +0200
        No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2017-08-15 12:50 +0200
          Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2017-08-15 14:00 +0200
            Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2017-08-15 15:00 +0200
              Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Dejan Jocic <jodejka@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 15:10 +0200
                Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2017-08-15 15:30 +0200
                  Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2017-08-15 16:10 +0200
                  Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org.uk> - 2017-08-15 16:20 +0200
                    Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2017-08-15 16:50 +0200
                      Re: No ifconfig Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 18:30 +0200
                        Re: No ifconfig Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2017-08-15 19:00 +0200
                          Re: No ifconfig Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 19:20 +0200
                            Re: No ifconfig David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-08-15 20:30 +0200
                      Re: Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Clive Standbridge <list-user@tgstandbridges.plus.com> - 2017-08-16 10:00 +0200
                        Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-16 11:00 +0200
                          Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-08-16 12:00 +0200
                            Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2017-08-16 14:30 +0200
                            Re: Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Clive Standbridge <list-user@tgstandbridges.plus.com> - 2017-08-16 16:20 +0200
                              Re: Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-08-16 16:40 +0200
                                Re: Re: Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Clive Standbridge <list-user@tgstandbridges.plus.com> - 2017-08-16 17:20 +0200
                  Re: No ifconfig Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 18:40 +0200
                    Re: No ifconfig Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-15 19:50 +0200
                      Re: No ifconfig Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-15 19:50 +0200
                        Re: No ifconfig David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-08-15 20:20 +0200
                          Re: No ifconfig Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-15 21:00 +0200
                            Re: No ifconfig Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-08-15 22:00 +0200
                            Re: No ifconfig Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2017-08-15 22:10 +0200
                              Re: No ifconfig Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-16 04:00 +0200
                      Re: No ifconfig Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2017-08-15 19:50 +0200
                  No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2017-08-28 09:40 +0200
                Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2017-08-15 15:30 +0200
                  Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Dejan Jocic <jodejka@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 16:50 +0200
                  Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2017-08-15 17:10 +0200
                    Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-15 19:30 +0200
                      Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-08-15 20:20 +0200
                        Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-15 21:00 +0200
                          Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-08-15 21:50 +0200
                            Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-16 04:00 +0200
                      Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2017-08-15 20:20 +0200
                        Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-15 21:00 +0200
                Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-08-15 16:10 +0200
                  Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@debian.org> - 2017-08-15 16:40 +0200
                    No ifconfig Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2017-08-19 10:10 +0200
                      Re: No ifconfig Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@debian.org> - 2017-08-19 14:10 +0200
            Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-15 17:30 +0200
              Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Glenn English <ghe2001@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 18:40 +0200
                Re: No ifconfig Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2017-08-19 10:40 +0200
                  Re: No ifconfig Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2017-08-19 11:40 +0200
                  Re: No ifconfig Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-19 15:30 +0200
                    Re: No ifconfig Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2017-08-19 15:50 +0200
                      Re: No ifconfig Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com> - 2017-08-19 16:20 +0200
                      Re: No ifconfig Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com> - 2017-08-19 16:20 +0200
                        Re: No ifconfig Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com> - 2017-08-19 16:30 +0200
                          Re: No ifconfig Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2017-08-19 17:10 +0200
                            Re: No ifconfig Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-19 20:40 +0200
                              Re: No ifconfig Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-08-19 21:00 +0200
                                Re: No ifconfig Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-19 21:30 +0200
                                  Re: No ifconfig Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-08-19 21:40 +0200
                                    Re: No ifconfig Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-19 21:50 +0200
                                Re: No ifconfig Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2017-08-20 02:10 +0200
                        Re: No ifconfig Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2017-08-19 16:50 +0200
                        Re: No ifconfig Ansgar Burchardt <ansgar@debian.org> - 2017-08-20 12:00 +0200
                          Re: No ifconfig Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com> - 2017-08-21 15:30 +0200
                      Re: No ifconfig Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-19 16:30 +0200
                        Re: No ifconfig Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-08-19 19:50 +0200
                          Re: No ifconfig Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2017-08-20 14:40 +0200
                            Re: No ifconfig <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-08-20 14:50 +0200
                            Re: No ifconfig Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-20 17:50 +0200
                              Re: No ifconfig Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2017-08-21 05:20 +0200
                                Re: No ifconfig Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-21 06:00 +0200
                        Re: No ifconfig Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2017-08-19 23:40 +0200
                    Re: No ifconfig Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2017-08-20 02:20 +0200
                    Re: No ifconfig Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2017-08-20 14:50 +0200
                      Re: No ifconfig Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2017-08-21 07:20 +0200
                        Re: No ifconfig Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2017-08-21 15:00 +0200
                          Re: No ifconfig Christian Seiler <christian@iwakd.de> - 2017-08-21 15:10 +0200
                            Re: No ifconfig Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-21 17:10 +0200
                              Re: No ifconfig Christian Seiler <christian@iwakd.de> - 2017-08-21 18:20 +0200
                                Re: No ifconfig Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-21 19:10 +0200
                                  Re: No ifconfig Christian Seiler <christian@iwakd.de> - 2017-08-21 19:20 +0200
                                    Re: No ifconfig Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-21 19:50 +0200
                                      Re: No ifconfig Christian Seiler <christian@iwakd.de> - 2017-08-21 20:10 +0200
                                        Re: No ifconfig Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-21 21:50 +0200
                                Re: No ifconfig Christian Seiler <christian@iwakd.de> - 2017-08-22 17:20 +0200
                                Re: No ifconfig Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2017-08-22 17:20 +0200
                            Re: No ifconfig Eike Lantzsch <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2017-08-21 17:30 +0200
                              No ifconfig Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2017-08-28 10:40 +0200
                            No ifconfig Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2017-08-28 10:20 +0200
                          Re: No ifconfig Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2017-08-21 17:30 +0200
              Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-08-15 19:10 +0200
                Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-15 19:50 +0200
                  Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-08-15 20:10 +0200
                    Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-15 20:50 +0200
                      Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-08-15 21:30 +0200
                        Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-16 03:40 +0200
                      Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-08-15 21:30 +0200
                        Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-16 03:50 +0200
                          Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-08-16 06:40 +0200
      Re: no /etc/inittab Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-08-14 21:30 +0200
        Re: obsolete wiki (was: no /etc/inittab) Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-08-14 22:40 +0200
          Re: obsolete wiki (was: no /etc/inittab) Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-08-14 23:20 +0200
            Re: obsolete wiki Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-08-14 23:50 +0200
              Re: obsolete wiki rhkramer@gmail.com - 2017-08-15 16:10 +0200
                Re: obsolete wiki Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-08-15 19:20 +0200
                  Re: obsolete wiki Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2017-08-15 19:40 +0200
                  Re: obsolete wiki rhkramer@gmail.com - 2017-08-16 14:30 +0200
                    Re: obsolete wiki Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-08-16 16:20 +0200
                Re: obsolete wiki Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2017-08-28 11:20 +0200
                  Re: obsolete wiki rhkramer@gmail.com - 2017-08-28 12:50 +0200
            obsolete wiki (was: no /etc/inittab) Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2017-08-28 08:20 +0200
          Re: obsolete wiki (was: no /etc/inittab) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-15 00:20 +0200
            Re: obsolete wiki (no /etc/inittab) Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2017-08-19 11:50 +0200
              Re: obsolete wiki (no /etc/inittab) Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> - 2017-08-19 15:10 +0200
              Re: obsolete wiki (no /etc/inittab) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-19 16:00 +0200
                Re: obsolete wiki (no /etc/inittab) Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2017-08-19 20:00 +0200
                  Re: obsolete wiki (no /etc/inittab) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-19 21:10 +0200
                    Re: obsolete wiki (no /etc/inittab) Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-08-19 21:30 +0200
                  Re: obsolete wiki (no /etc/inittab) Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2017-08-21 15:10 +0200
                    Re: obsolete wiki (no /etc/inittab) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-21 16:30 +0200
                    obsolete wiki (no /etc/inittab) Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2017-08-28 09:00 +0200
    Re: no /etc/inittab Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2017-08-19 10:40 +0200

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#185353 — Re: Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab]

FromClive Standbridge <list-user@tgstandbridges.plus.com>
Date2017-08-16 16:20 +0200
SubjectRe: Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab]
Message-ID<uf7kR-87Z-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#185338
> The "declare", OTOH, is pretty Bashist. But it can be replaced by
> a simple "echo":

True. It was just a convenient way of showing that the variable hadn't
absorbed any white space. 

Besides, I was just picking up the "Bash can't do it" gauntlet. I'd
often prefer awk in such a situation (like Erik and Greg have
mentioned).

-- 
Cheers,
Clive

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#185355 — Re: Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab]

From<tomas@tuxteam.de>
Date2017-08-16 16:40 +0200
SubjectRe: Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab]
Message-ID<uf7Ee-8eC-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#185353
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On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 02:56:01PM +0100, Clive Standbridge wrote:
> 
> > The "declare", OTOH, is pretty Bashist. But it can be replaced by
> > a simple "echo":
> 
> True. It was just a convenient way of showing that the variable hadn't
> absorbed any white space. 

Understood. Please, don't get me wrong -- I'm not an anti-Bashist, by
far (on the contrary, I'm a fan of Bash and some of its features,
actually). Much less was I trying to criticize you, who provided that
nifty script in the first place.

Just trying to raise awareness about (the few) shell variation idiosyncracies
I know about, to help making people's lives easier.

> Besides, I was just picking up the "Bash can't do it" gauntlet. I'd
> often prefer awk in such a situation (like Erik and Greg have
> mentioned).

Uh, oh. Bash can do quite a lot of things :-)

Cheers
- -- tomás
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#185359 — Re: Re: Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab]

FromClive Standbridge <list-user@tgstandbridges.plus.com>
Date2017-08-16 17:20 +0200
SubjectRe: Re: Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab]
Message-ID<uf8gW-gn-21@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#185355
>  Much less was I trying to criticize you,

Oh I didn't think you were :-)


> Just trying to raise awareness about (the few) shell variation idiosyncracies
> I know about, to help making people's lives easier.

Sounds good to me.

-- 
Cheers,
Clive

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#185280 — Re: No ifconfig

FromPierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-15 18:40 +0200
SubjectRe: No ifconfig
Message-ID<ueN2N-3DK-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#185256
On Tue, 15 Aug 2017, Greg Wooledge wrote:

> wooledg:~$ netstat -in
> Kernel Interface table
> Iface      MTU    RX-OK RX-ERR RX-DRP RX-OVR    TX-OK TX-ERR TX-DRP TX-OVR Flg
> eth0      1500  8254258      0      0 0       7682795      0      0      0 BMRU
> lo       65536   579959      0      0 0        579959      0      0      0 LRU

  you have hte same information with:
  ==>  ip -s link
  1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1
     link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
     RX: bytes  packets  errors  dropped overrun mcast
     2128816    7293     0       0       0       0
     TX: bytes  packets  errors  dropped carrier collsns
     2128816    7293     0       0       0       0
  2: enp0s31f6: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state UP mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000
     link/ether 2c:4d:54:d0:58:06 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
     RX: bytes  packets  errors  dropped overrun mcast
     323815150  423300   0       4       0       55708
     TX: bytes  packets  errors  dropped carrier collsns
     41867187   302742   0       0       0       0

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#185294 — Re: No ifconfig

FromGene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2017-08-15 19:50 +0200
SubjectRe: No ifconfig
Message-ID<ueO8y-4lv-27@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#185280
On Tuesday 15 August 2017 12:38:49 Pierre Frenkiel wrote:

> On Tue, 15 Aug 2017, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > wooledg:~$ netstat -in
> > Kernel Interface table
> > Iface      MTU    RX-OK RX-ERR RX-DRP RX-OVR    TX-OK TX-ERR TX-DRP
> > TX-OVR Flg eth0      1500  8254258      0      0 0       7682795    
> >  0      0      0 BMRU lo       65536   579959      0      0 0       
> > 579959      0      0      0 LRU
>
>   you have hte same information with:
>   ==>  ip -s link
>   1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN
> mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1 link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd
> 00:00:00:00:00:00
>      RX: bytes  packets  errors  dropped overrun mcast
>      2128816    7293     0       0       0       0
>      TX: bytes  packets  errors  dropped carrier collsns
>      2128816    7293     0       0       0       0
>   2: enp0s31f6: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc
> pfifo_fast state UP mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000 link/ether
> 2c:4d:54:d0:58:06 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
>      RX: bytes  packets  errors  dropped overrun mcast
>      323815150  423300   0       4       0       55708
>      TX: bytes  packets  errors  dropped carrier collsns
>      41867187   302742   0       0       0       0

Thats a step towards understandable output, but how to deal with the 
stuff it shows that isn't "up". That doubles the size of the output on 
my pi running jessie:

pi@picncsheldon:~ $ ip -s link
1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN mode 
DEFAULT group default qlen 1
    link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
    RX: bytes  packets  errors  dropped overrun mcast   
    59379736   989318   0       0       0       0      
    TX: bytes  packets  errors  dropped carrier collsns 
    59379736   989318   0       0       0       0      
2: sit0@NONE: <NOARP> mtu 1480 qdisc noop state DOWN mode DEFAULT group 
default qlen 1
    link/sit 0.0.0.0 brd 0.0.0.0
    RX: bytes  packets  errors  dropped overrun mcast   
    0          0        0       0       0       0      
    TX: bytes  packets  errors  dropped carrier collsns 
    0          0        0       0       0       0      
3: eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast 
state UP mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000
    link/ether b8:27:eb:d3:47:2d brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
    RX: bytes  packets  errors  dropped overrun mcast   
    224779355  3598076  0       0       0       0      
    TX: bytes  packets  errors  dropped carrier collsns 
    1223076242 12292111 0       0       0       0      
4: wlan0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST> mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN mode 
DEFAULT group default qlen 1000
    link/ether b8:27:eb:86:12:78 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
    RX: bytes  packets  errors  dropped overrun mcast   
    0          0        0       0       0       0      
    TX: bytes  packets  errors  dropped carrier collsns 
    0          0        0       0       0       0      

While STILL not giving me the local ipv4 addresses and netmasks of those 
interfaces. I have disabled the radio as I've a neighbor that will use 
about 100Gb of my 300Gb monthly if the radios are enabled. But what the 
heck is sit0?

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#185295 — Re: No ifconfig

FromGene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2017-08-15 19:50 +0200
SubjectRe: No ifconfig
Message-ID<ueO8z-4lv-31@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#185294
On Tuesday 15 August 2017 13:46:37 Greg Wooledge wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 01:41:16PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > While STILL not giving me the local ipv4 addresses and netmasks of
> > those interfaces.
>
> If you want the IPv4 address, netmask, and transfer stats, try:
>
> ip -s addr
>
> Note that the netmask is shown in CIDR notation (e.g. /23) rather
> than dotted quad notation (e.g. 255.255.254.0).
>
> If this still isn't what you want, tell us what you *do* want.

An ifconfig style output by default.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#185299 — Re: No ifconfig

FromDavid Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk>
Date2017-08-15 20:20 +0200
SubjectRe: No ifconfig
Message-ID<ueOBB-4KI-31@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#185295
On Tue 15 Aug 2017 at 13:49:23 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Tuesday 15 August 2017 13:46:37 Greg Wooledge wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 01:41:16PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > While STILL not giving me the local ipv4 addresses and netmasks of
> > > those interfaces.
> >
> > If you want the IPv4 address, netmask, and transfer stats, try:
> >
> > ip -s addr
> >
> > Note that the netmask is shown in CIDR notation (e.g. /23) rather
> > than dotted quad notation (e.g. 255.255.254.0).
> >
> > If this still isn't what you want, tell us what you *do* want.
> 
> An ifconfig style output by default.

Then why not use ifconfig?

Cheers,
David.

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#185305 — Re: No ifconfig

FromGene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2017-08-15 21:00 +0200
SubjectRe: No ifconfig
Message-ID<uePei-4Zy-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#185299
On Tuesday 15 August 2017 14:16:15 David Wright wrote:

> On Tue 15 Aug 2017 at 13:49:23 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Tuesday 15 August 2017 13:46:37 Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > > On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 01:41:16PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > While STILL not giving me the local ipv4 addresses and netmasks
> > > > of those interfaces.
> > >
> > > If you want the IPv4 address, netmask, and transfer stats, try:
> > >
> > > ip -s addr
> > >
> > > Note that the netmask is shown in CIDR notation (e.g. /23) rather
> > > than dotted quad notation (e.g. 255.255.254.0).
> > >
> > > If this still isn't what you want, tell us what you *do* want.
> >
> > An ifconfig style output by default.
>
> Then why not use ifconfig?

Of course I do, since ipv4 is the local method.
>
> Cheers,
> David.


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#185314 — Re: No ifconfig

FromBrian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk>
Date2017-08-15 22:00 +0200
SubjectRe: No ifconfig
Message-ID<ueQal-5z2-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#185305
On Tue 15 Aug 2017 at 14:51:48 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Tuesday 15 August 2017 14:16:15 David Wright wrote:
> 
> > On Tue 15 Aug 2017 at 13:49:23 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Tuesday 15 August 2017 13:46:37 Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 01:41:16PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > > While STILL not giving me the local ipv4 addresses and netmasks
> > > > > of those interfaces.
> > > >
> > > > If you want the IPv4 address, netmask, and transfer stats, try:
> > > >
> > > > ip -s addr
> > > >
> > > > Note that the netmask is shown in CIDR notation (e.g. /23) rather
> > > > than dotted quad notation (e.g. 255.255.254.0).
> > > >
> > > > If this still isn't what you want, tell us what you *do* want.
> > >
> > > An ifconfig style output by default.
> >
> > Then why not use ifconfig?
> 
> Of course I do, since ipv4 is the local method.

Style over content is the way to go.

-- 
Brian.

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#185315 — Re: No ifconfig

FromCurt <curty@free.fr>
Date2017-08-15 22:10 +0200
SubjectRe: No ifconfig
Message-ID<ueQk1-5RL-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#185305
On 2017-08-15, Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > If this still isn't what you want, tell us what you *do* want.
>> >
>> > An ifconfig style output by default.
>>
>> Then why not use ifconfig?
>
> Of course I do, since ipv4 is the local method.
>>

But it's deprecated and is no longer provided in the b...

Boys, I think we've come full circle and have dutifully arrived exactly where
we started. 

As I bought a round-trip ticket I ain't complaining.

Say good night, Gracie.

-- 
"Until the Lion learns to write, tales of the hunt shall always glorify the Hunter."
— African proverb

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#185323 — Re: No ifconfig

FromGene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2017-08-16 04:00 +0200
SubjectRe: No ifconfig
Message-ID<ueVMK-F3-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#185315
On Tuesday 15 August 2017 16:01:25 Curt wrote:

> On 2017-08-15, Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
> >> > > If this still isn't what you want, tell us what you *do* want.
> >> >
> >> > An ifconfig style output by default.
> >>
> >> Then why not use ifconfig?
> >
> > Of course I do, since ipv4 is the local method.
>
> But it's deprecated and is no longer provided in the b...
>
> Boys, I think we've come full circle and have dutifully arrived
> exactly where we started.
>
> As I bought a round-trip ticket I ain't complaining.
>
> Say good night, Gracie.

Good night, George.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#185296 — Re: No ifconfig

FromGreg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org>
Date2017-08-15 19:50 +0200
SubjectRe: No ifconfig
Message-ID<ueO8z-4lv-33@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#185294
On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 01:41:16PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> While STILL not giving me the local ipv4 addresses and netmasks of those 
> interfaces.

If you want the IPv4 address, netmask, and transfer stats, try:

ip -s addr

Note that the netmask is shown in CIDR notation (e.g. /23) rather
than dotted quad notation (e.g. 255.255.254.0).

If this still isn't what you want, tell us what you *do* want.

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#186062 — No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab]

FromJonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM>
Date2017-08-28 09:40 +0200
SubjectNo ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab]
Message-ID<ujmOm-2GD-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#185256

[Multipart message — attachments visible in raw view] — view raw

Greg Wooledge:
>
>> wooledg:~$ ip link
>> 1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1
>>      link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
>> 2: eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state UP mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000
>>      link/ether a0:8c:fd:c3:89:e0 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
> Parsing the interface names out of THAT is significantly harder.
>

In support of my earlier point that some /other/ people /did/ make 
modern |ifconfig| usable in such ways:
> JdeBP % ifconfig -l
> bge0 bge1 lo0 tun0
> JdeBP %

Here's something from a script of mine:
> list_available_network_interfaces() {
>          case "`uname`" in
>          Linux)  /bin/ls /sys/class/net ;;
>          *)      ifconfig -l ;;
>          esac
> }

(Note that this is as loose as it is because I'm only targetting 
Linux-based operating systems and the BSDs so far here.  Also note that 
this breaks on OpenBSD which does not have the |-l| option to 
|ifconfig|.  Fixing that is on the to-do list.)

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#185257 — Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab]

FromErik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net>
Date2017-08-15 15:30 +0200
SubjectRe: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab]
Message-ID<ueK4X-1Pe-19@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#185255
On 15.08.17 15:03, Dejan Jocic wrote:
> And what exactly do you miss in ifconfig and net-tools package, that you
> can not do with ip, which is part of iproute2 package that comes as part
> of base system?

Around 30 years of familiarity across many *nix flavours. If the package
builders are more familiar with ip, then perhaps tradition goes out the
window. Not a problem. I have installed net-tools.

Erik

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#185268 — Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab]

FromDejan Jocic <jodejka@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-15 16:50 +0200
SubjectRe: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab]
Message-ID<ueLkm-2ya-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#185257
On 15-08-17, Erik Christiansen wrote:
> On 15.08.17 15:03, Dejan Jocic wrote:
> > And what exactly do you miss in ifconfig and net-tools package, that you
> > can not do with ip, which is part of iproute2 package that comes as part
> > of base system?
> 
> Around 30 years of familiarity across many *nix flavours. If the package
> builders are more familiar with ip, then perhaps tradition goes out the
> window. Not a problem. I have installed net-tools.
> 
> Erik
> 

I can understand that very well, even with much less years of
familiarity. But it moves forward, for good or worse. Not first familiar
tool that will vanish, nor last. May we live to see many more. I know
that I've thought something like "you will pry ifconfig out of my cold
dead heands" first time I've used ip. But, time passed and ip almost
become familiar tool.

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#185269 — Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab]

FromNicolas George <george@nsup.org>
Date2017-08-15 17:10 +0200
SubjectRe: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab]
Message-ID<ueLDI-2TR-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#185257
L'octidi 28 thermidor, an CCXXV, Erik Christiansen a écrit :
> Around 30 years of familiarity across many *nix flavours.

You said it: the only superiority of ifconfig over iproute2 is tradition
and familiarity of long-time users. On the other hand, ifconfig is
technically inferior on most if not all points.

I hope you realize that traditions and familiarity of old geezers can
only go so far to justify the evolution or non-evolution of a system.
Otherwise, we still would have ed in the base system.

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George

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#185290 — Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab]

FromGene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2017-08-15 19:30 +0200
SubjectRe: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab]
Message-ID<ueNPb-4e6-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#185269
On Tuesday 15 August 2017 10:48:12 Nicolas George wrote:

> L'octidi 28 thermidor, an CCXXV, Erik Christiansen a écrit :
> > Around 30 years of familiarity across many *nix flavours.
>
> You said it: the only superiority of ifconfig over iproute2 is
> tradition and familiarity of long-time users. On the other hand,
> ifconfig is technically inferior on most if not all points.
>
> I hope you realize that traditions and familiarity of old geezers can
> only go so far to justify the evolution or non-evolution of a system.
> Otherwise, we still would have ed in the base system.
>
> Regards,

Nicolas: The nearest ipv6 address to me is likely 150 miles north, in 
Pittsburgh PA. Its all ipv4 here in WV AFAIK.

However, so far I have not been made aware of a traceroute like utility 
that can tell me where any ipv6 blockage might exist, so I haven't a 
clue how far a dns query might get. I don't have it setup here that I 
know of, and there's little or no documentation on how to do it 
available to us mear mortals.  So here at least, anybody that knows how 
to cope with it when it does become a fact of life, can likely leverage 
some sheckles out of that knowledge. For instance, after perusing the 
manpage for traceroute, my ISP is shentel.net, but

gene@GO704:/etc$ traceroute -6 shentel.net
shentel.net: Name or service not known
Cannot handle "host" cmdline arg `shentel.net' on position 1 (argc 2)

But where does the failure occur? Someplace in the chain To or From their 
dns server(s), which probably encompasses at least a dozen hops to get 
to the server to query them.

And uncommenting the ipv6 related lines in the hosts file makes no 
difference. I didn't think it would because /etc/network/interfaces has 
no ipv6 setup in it.  So for starters, what would I add to the 
interfaces file to enable that since I've no clue what to put in it for 
an ipv6 address.

With reference to my hosts file based home network with about 20 names in 
the /etc/hosts file, please give me/us a cli command that shows how 
ifconfig gets it wrong, and ip gets it right in an ipv4 environment. I 
don't think it prudent to just pick some numbers out of "that" 
place. ;-)

Cheers Nicolas, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#185298 — Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab]

FromDavid Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk>
Date2017-08-15 20:20 +0200
SubjectRe: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab]
Message-ID<ueOBz-4KI-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#185290
On Tue 15 Aug 2017 at 13:24:56 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Tuesday 15 August 2017 10:48:12 Nicolas George wrote:
> 
> > L'octidi 28 thermidor, an CCXXV, Erik Christiansen a écrit :
> > > Around 30 years of familiarity across many *nix flavours.
> >
> > You said it: the only superiority of ifconfig over iproute2 is
> > tradition and familiarity of long-time users. On the other hand,
> > ifconfig is technically inferior on most if not all points.
> >
> > I hope you realize that traditions and familiarity of old geezers can
> > only go so far to justify the evolution or non-evolution of a system.
> > Otherwise, we still would have ed in the base system.
> >
> > Regards,
> 
> Nicolas: The nearest ipv6 address to me is likely 150 miles north, in 
> Pittsburgh PA. Its all ipv4 here in WV AFAIK.

Odd, the nearest to me is underneath the table. I use 6 a lot,
as a cat5 cable is much faster than two legs of weak wireless
to the router and back. And it requires no configuration—it's
just there.

Cheers,
David.

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#185304 — Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab]

FromGene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2017-08-15 21:00 +0200
SubjectRe: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab]
Message-ID<uePeh-4Zy-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#185298
On Tuesday 15 August 2017 14:19:37 David Wright wrote:

> On Tue 15 Aug 2017 at 13:24:56 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Tuesday 15 August 2017 10:48:12 Nicolas George wrote:
> > > L'octidi 28 thermidor, an CCXXV, Erik Christiansen a écrit :
> > > > Around 30 years of familiarity across many *nix flavours.
> > >
> > > You said it: the only superiority of ifconfig over iproute2 is
> > > tradition and familiarity of long-time users. On the other hand,
> > > ifconfig is technically inferior on most if not all points.
> > >
> > > I hope you realize that traditions and familiarity of old geezers
> > > can only go so far to justify the evolution or non-evolution of a
> > > system. Otherwise, we still would have ed in the base system.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> >
> > Nicolas: The nearest ipv6 address to me is likely 150 miles north,
> > in Pittsburgh PA. Its all ipv4 here in WV AFAIK.
>
> Odd, the nearest to me is underneath the table. I use 6 a lot,
> as a cat5 cable is much faster than two legs of weak wireless
> to the router and back. And it requires no configuration—it's
> just there.
>
> Cheers,
> David.

Thats a bridge I'll cross, if it gets here before I miss morning roll 
call. :)

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#185312 — Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab]

FromBrian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk>
Date2017-08-15 21:50 +0200
SubjectRe: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab]
Message-ID<ueQ0F-5vJ-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#185304
On Tue 15 Aug 2017 at 14:53:39 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Tuesday 15 August 2017 14:19:37 David Wright wrote:
> 
> > On Tue 15 Aug 2017 at 13:24:56 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Tuesday 15 August 2017 10:48:12 Nicolas George wrote:
> > > > L'octidi 28 thermidor, an CCXXV, Erik Christiansen a écrit :
> > > > > Around 30 years of familiarity across many *nix flavours.
> > > >
> > > > You said it: the only superiority of ifconfig over iproute2 is
> > > > tradition and familiarity of long-time users. On the other hand,
> > > > ifconfig is technically inferior on most if not all points.
> > > >
> > > > I hope you realize that traditions and familiarity of old geezers
> > > > can only go so far to justify the evolution or non-evolution of a
> > > > system. Otherwise, we still would have ed in the base system.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Nicolas: The nearest ipv6 address to me is likely 150 miles north,
> > > in Pittsburgh PA. Its all ipv4 here in WV AFAIK.
> >
> > Odd, the nearest to me is underneath the table. I use 6 a lot,
> > as a cat5 cable is much faster than two legs of weak wireless
> > to the router and back. And it requires no configuration—it's
> > just there.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > David.
> 
> Thats a bridge I'll cross, if it gets here before I miss morning roll 
> call. :)

If you do, you'll be on a charge. :)

-- 
Brian.

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