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  Re: Debian v9 it's a stretch Borden Rhodes <jrvp@bordenrhodes.com> - 2017-08-25 07:00 +0200
    Re: Debian v9 it's a stretch Ben Finney <bignose@debian.org> - 2017-08-25 07:20 +0200
    Re: Debian v9 it's a stretch Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2017-08-27 04:10 +0200
      Re: Debian v9 it's a stretch Mario Castelán Castro <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> - 2017-08-27 04:40 +0200
        Re: Debian v9 it's a stretch Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2017-08-27 22:10 +0200

#185879 — Re: Debian v9 it's a stretch

>> > Do you find checking for possible rootkits is useless, or you are just
>> > not happy how rkhunter performs that function?
>>
>> A well-documented case of rkhunter discovering a rootkit in the last
>> ten years (the 1000s of false positives do not count) would go a long
>> way to establishing its credence,
>>
>
> So, those in security/forensics who recommend use of rkhunter have just
> been silly? Interesting. But think that I'll use it anyway, just to be
> on the safe side. It does not hurt.

Ahh, that's what I love about FOSS software. Most bugs are 'closed' by
saying 'That package is garbage, don't use it'. It's like when you go
to a store and the salesperson says 'Buy this brand. That brand is
garbage.' I always wonder 'Well why are you selling it, then, if
nobody should buy it?!'

I encourage everyone to check out "How to Irritate People salesmen" on
your favourite community video streaming site. That's how I've found
FOSS support: "Best software in the world. No problems at all. But if
you find a problem, file a bug and we'll fix it." "Well I have filed a
bug, and you haven't fixed it." "Nope, no problems with this software
at all..."

To answer an earlier question about why I don't report all the bugs I
find in software: I choose my battles. Some bugs are easier to work
around than others, so I stick to reporting the ones that I can write
solid reports on that have a chance of being fixed.

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#185882

Borden Rhodes <jrvp@bordenrhodes.com> writes:

> To answer an earlier question about why I don't report all the bugs I
> find in software: I choose my battles.

I don't recall anyone asking why you don't report all bugs you find in
software, that would be a fatuous question.

You were asked specifically about the bugs in Debian Stretch that you
encountered and you said you were surprised Stretch was released with
those bugs not fixed.

The question is not why you don't report all bugs. The question is, if
there are bugs you ahven't reported in time for them to be investigated
prior to release, how can you claim surprise when they aren't fixed in
time for release?

-- 
 \          “Courage is not the absence of fear, but the decision that |
  `\     something else is more important than fear.” —Ambrose Redmoon |
_o__)                                                                  |
Ben Finney

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#186005

On 2017-08-25, Borden Rhodes <jrvp@bordenrhodes.com> wrote:

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> I encourage everyone to check out "How to Irritate People salesmen" on
> your favourite community video streaming site. That's how I've found
> FOSS support: "Best software in the world. No problems at all. But if
> you find a problem, file a bug and we'll fix it." "Well I have filed a
> bug, and you haven't fixed it." "Nope, no problems with this software
> at all..."

And you have never encountered that attitude with proprietary software
vendors? Ever?

The difference with FLOSS is that you can fix any problems yourself. Or
persuade or pay someone else to do it for you. The choice is yours.

-- 

Liam

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#186007

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On 26/08/17 20:36, Liam O'Toole wrote:
> On 2017-08-25, Borden Rhodes <jrvp@bordenrhodes.com> wrote:
>> I encourage everyone to check out "How to Irritate People salesmen" on
>> your favourite community video streaming site. That's how I've found
>> FOSS support: "Best software in the world. No problems at all. But if
>> you find a problem, file a bug and we'll fix it." "Well I have filed a
>> bug, and you haven't fixed it." "Nope, no problems with this software
>> at all..."
> 
> And you have never encountered that attitude with proprietary software
> vendors? Ever?
> 
> The difference with FLOSS is that you can fix any problems yourself. Or
> persuade or pay someone else to do it for you. The choice is yours.

There are plenty of sites where asking stupid question about free
software programs is the norm, and you are not allowed to admonish users
for not knowing what they must already know (very often it has a section
in the manual about it). The most popular one is probably stackexchange.

For example, I mean questions like: “I am the manager of a nuclear power
plant. The engineers are telling me that we are having a loss of coolant
and core meltdown, what does that mean? Is it dangerous?”

If you want to go spoonfeed, then go to one of those sites.

-- 
Do not eat animals, respect them as you respect people.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=how+to+(become+OR+eat)+vegan

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#186038

On 2017-08-27, Mario Castelán Castro <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> wrote:
> On 26/08/17 20:36, Liam O'Toole wrote:
>> On 2017-08-25, Borden Rhodes <jrvp@bordenrhodes.com> wrote:
>>> I encourage everyone to check out "How to Irritate People salesmen" on=
>
>>> your favourite community video streaming site. That's how I've found
>>> FOSS support: "Best software in the world. No problems at all. But if
>>> you find a problem, file a bug and we'll fix it." "Well I have filed a=
>
>>> bug, and you haven't fixed it." "Nope, no problems with this software
>>> at all..."
>>=20
>> And you have never encountered that attitude with proprietary software
>> vendors? Ever?
>>=20
>> The difference with FLOSS is that you can fix any problems yourself. Or=
>
>> persuade or pay someone else to do it for you. The choice is yours.
>
> There are plenty of sites where asking stupid question about free
> software programs is the norm, and you are not allowed to admonish users
> for not knowing what they must already know (very often it has a section
> in the manual about it). The most popular one is probably stackexchange.
>
> For example, I mean questions like: =E2=80=9CI am the manager of a nuclea=
> r power
> plant. The engineers are telling me that we are having a loss of coolant
> and core meltdown, what does that mean? Is it dangerous?=E2=80=9D
>
> If you want to go spoonfeed, then go to one of those sites.

Thanks for the suggestion. I hope you won't be offended as I blithely
ignore it.

-- 

Liam

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