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  Re: Resign me from your lists Mario Castelán Castro <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> - 2017-08-27 18:20 +0200
    Re: Resign me from your lists Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2017-08-27 21:10 +0200
      Re: Resign me from your lists Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2017-08-27 22:00 +0200
      Re: Resign me from your lists Mario Castelán Castro <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> - 2017-08-27 22:10 +0200
        Re: Resign me from your lists Ben Finney <bignose@debian.org> - 2017-08-28 01:20 +0200
          Re: Resign me from your lists rhkramer@gmail.com - 2017-08-28 02:10 +0200
          Re: Resign me from your lists Mario Castelán Castro <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> - 2017-08-28 15:40 +0200
            Re: Resign me from your lists Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com> - 2017-08-28 16:20 +0200
              Re: Resign me from your lists Mario Castelán Castro <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> - 2017-08-28 16:30 +0200
        Re: Resign me from your lists Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 08:10 +0200
          Re: Resign me from your lists Mario Castelán Castro <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> - 2017-08-28 15:20 +0200
            Re: Resign me from your lists Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-28 15:30 +0200
              Re: Resign me from your lists Cindy-Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 16:30 +0200
                Re: Resign me from your lists Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-28 20:30 +0200
                  Re: Resign me from your lists Cindy-Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 23:10 +0200
              Re: Resign me from your lists Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 21:20 +0200
                Re: Resign me from your lists "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2017-08-28 21:40 +0200

#186023 — Re: Resign me from your lists

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On 27/08/17 10:56, Paul Farou wrote:
> I am receiving unwanted mail from you please get me off these lists!

Then why did you subscribe to this mailing list in the first place? Are
you stupid?

To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to debian-user-REQUEST@lists.debian.org
with subject “unsubscribe”.

-- 
Do not eat animals, respect them as you respect people.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=how+to+(become+OR+eat)+vegan

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#186034

On Sun, 27 Aug 2017 11:17:09 -0500
Mario Castelán Castro <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> wrote:

> On 27/08/17 10:56, Paul Farou wrote:
> > I am receiving unwanted mail from you please get me off these lists!
> 
> Then why did you subscribe to this mailing list in the first place?

He did not (e-mail headers show that clearly). He's probably yet another
victim of this month spam attack which fakes From header to be
'debian-user@lists.debian.org'.


> Are you stupid?

To paraphrase your signature, do not insult technically illiterate,
respect them as you respect people.

Reco

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#186037

On 2017-08-27, Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Aug 2017 11:17:09 -0500
> Mario Castelán Castro <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> wrote:
>
>> On 27/08/17 10:56, Paul Farou wrote:
>> > I am receiving unwanted mail from you please get me off these lists!
>> 
>> Then why did you subscribe to this mailing list in the first place?
>
> He did not (e-mail headers show that clearly). He's probably yet another
> victim of this month spam attack which fakes From header to be
> 'debian-user@lists.debian.org'.
>
>
>> Are you stupid?
>
> To paraphrase your signature, do not insult technically illiterate,
> respect them as you respect people.

Don't eat people. They're animals too.

What she lacks in generosity she makes up in vegetables; but it takes
all kinds, I guess.

> Reco
>
>


-- 
"The purpose of art is to lay bare the questions that have been hidden by the answers."
— James Baldwin

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#186039

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On 27/08/17 14:03, Reco wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Aug 2017 11:17:09 -0500
> Mario Castelán Castro <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> wrote:
>> Then why did you subscribe to this mailing list in the first place?
> 
> He did not (e-mail headers show that clearly). He's probably yet another
> victim of this month spam attack which fakes From header to be
> 'debian-user@lists.debian.org'.

I have to admit that I do not know what specific header you are talking
about.

I was not aware that this mailing list was used in “From:” spoofing.

>> Are you stupid?
> 
> To paraphrase your signature, do not insult technically illiterate,
> respect them as you respect people.

Fair enough.

I assumed originally that this was a person who subscribed then realized
he did not want to be subscribed and decided to complain to the list
about that.

-- 
Do not eat animals, respect them as you respect people.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=how+to+(become+OR+eat)+vegan

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#186049

Mario Castelán Castro <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> writes:

> I assumed originally that this was a person who subscribed then
> realized he did not want to be subscribed and decided to complain to
> the list about that.

Even on that assumption, there is no call to insult the person. No-one
is born knowing how to operate a mailing list subscription, please allow
people to learn without implying they are inferior.

-- 
 \         “I went over to the neighbor's and asked to borrow a cup of |
  `\       salt. ‘What are you making?’ ‘A salt lick.’” —Steven Wright |
_o__)                                                                  |
Ben Finney

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#186050

On Sunday, August 27, 2017 07:15:23 PM Ben Finney wrote:
> Mario Castelán Castro <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> writes:
> > I assumed originally that this was a person who subscribed then
> > realized he did not want to be subscribed and decided to complain to
> > the list about that.
> 
> Even on that assumption, there is no call to insult the person. No-one
> is born knowing how to operate a mailing list subscription, please allow
> people to learn without implying they are inferior.

+1, thank you!

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#186083

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On 27/08/17 18:15, Ben Finney wrote:
> Mario Castelán Castro <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> writes:
> 
>> I assumed originally that this was a person who subscribed then
>> realized he did not want to be subscribed and decided to complain to
>> the list about that.
> 
> Even on that assumption, there is no call to insult the person. No-one
> is born knowing how to operate a mailing list subscription, please allow
> people to learn without implying they are inferior.

The problem is not ignorant people per se, but people who is ignorant of
what they ought to know (given the knowledge requirements of the
activities they choose to do).

If a lay man in the street does not know what radioactive decay heat is,
I would not see a problem, but if a manager of a nuclear power plant
does not know, then I would call him incompetent and the word “stupid”
is more than deserved. I think you will agree with this.

Likewise, somebody either writing or criticizing cryptography
recommendations should be competent in the relevant theory.

-- 
Do not eat animals, respect them as you respect people.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=how+to+(become+OR+eat)+vegan

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#186085

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From: marioxcc.MT@yandex.com

> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> On 27/08/17 18:15, Ben Finney wrote:
>> Mario Castelán Castro <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> writes:
>>
>>> I assumed originally that this was a person who subscribed then
>>> realized he did not want to be subscribed and decided to complain to
>>> the list about that.
>>
>> Even on that assumption, there is no call to insult the person. No-one
>> is born knowing how to operate a mailing list subscription, please allow
>> people to learn without implying they are inferior.
>
> The problem is not ignorant people per se, but people who is ignorant of
> what they ought to know (given the knowledge requirements of the
> activities they choose to do).
>
> If a lay man in the street does not know what radioactive decay heat is,
> I would not see a problem, but if a manager of a nuclear power plant
> does not know, then I would call him incompetent and the word “stupid”
> is more than deserved. I think you will agree with this.
>
> Likewise, somebody either writing or criticizing cryptography
> recommendations should be competent in the relevant theory.

Are you both on the same subject or are you using reference without
noting it?  From the OP we have either spam or someone who tried
debian and its list and gave up.  What on earth are you talking about?
Managing a nuclear plant?  Did you wake up one day and thought of
giving it a try?  Did you win the lottery and bought one to play with?  And
you dare mention a complex mathematical problem, as cryptography,
when you are drawing parallels between trying a "free" operating system
on a "P"C, with managing the world's most potentially hazardous energy
conversion system, that could affect the lives of millions, if not billions of
earthlings for more than a century?
How do you do this?  You quit your village's McDonald's and apply for
managing a plant?  The hell with the manager, it is the persons working
in the control room that should know what the hell they are doing.  But
if your pc explodes I don't think the northern half of the pacific will generate
monster mutants for a century.

Are  you suggesting someone should read 4856 pages of manuals
before they install Debian, let alone ask a "dumb question"?  All I know
is you have a consumer, dissatisfied with a $100 windoze license from
years ago, and giving something free a try.  Because another $100 will
not get this old (4year old pc) much of a chance to revive.
Look mommy, no DrWatson!
How about I pop that barrel of depleted uranium open and dump it to
the pond?
Yeaaaeeeyyyy!!!

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#186087

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On 28/08/17 09:18, Fungi4All wrote:
> Are  you suggesting someone should read 4856 pages of manuals
> before they install Debian, let alone ask a "dumb question"?

No, you can learn as you need it. I know that manuals are long and
tedious. I do not expect you to read it all before asking, but I expect
you to check the table of contents and index for your question before
asking.

> How about I pop that barrel of depleted uranium open and dump it to
> the pond?

By the way, uranium is minimally radioactive. The main risk of nuclear
energy is that the fission products in spent fuel leak.

-- 
Do not eat animals, respect them as you respect people.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=how+to+(become+OR+eat)+vegan

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#186058

	Hi.

On Sun, 27 Aug 2017 15:02:30 -0500
Mario Castelán Castro <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> wrote:

> On 27/08/17 14:03, Reco wrote:
> > On Sun, 27 Aug 2017 11:17:09 -0500
> > Mario Castelán Castro <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> wrote:
> >> Then why did you subscribe to this mailing list in the first place?
> > 
> > He did not (e-mail headers show that clearly). He's probably yet another
> > victim of this month spam attack which fakes From header to be
> > 'debian-user@lists.debian.org'.
> 
> I have to admit that I do not know what specific header you are talking
> about.
> 
> I was not aware that this mailing list was used in “From:” spoofing.

X-Spam-Status contains LDOSUBSCRIBER for you, me, and everyone that's
on the list. Like this:

X-Spam-Status: No, score=-16.2 required=4.0
tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,
DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VERIFIED,FREEMAIL_FROM,LDOSUBSCRIBER,LDO_WHITELIST…

OP's e-mail has this:

X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=4.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,
	DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VERIFIED,FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW
autolearn=no

Reco

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#186079

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On 28/08/17 01:09, Reco wrote:
> Mario Castelán Castro <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> wrote:
>> I have to admit that I do not know what specific header you are talking
>> about.
>>
>> I was not aware that this mailing list was used in “From:” spoofing.
> 
> X-Spam-Status contains LDOSUBSCRIBER for you, me, and everyone that's
> on the list. Like this: [...]

I see. Thanks for the information.

-- 
Do not eat animals, respect them as you respect people.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=how+to+(become+OR+eat)+vegan

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#186082

On Monday 28 August 2017 09:11:01 Mario Castelán Castro wrote:

> On 28/08/17 01:09, Reco wrote:
> > Mario Castelán Castro <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> wrote:
> >> I have to admit that I do not know what specific header you are
> >> talking about.
> >>
> >> I was not aware that this mailing list was used in “From:”
> >> spoofing.
> >
> > X-Spam-Status contains LDOSUBSCRIBER for you, me, and everyone
> > that's on the list. Like this: [...]

I just looked at my copy, it did not contain that string in 
x-spam-status.
>
> I see. Thanks for the information.


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#186086

On 8/28/17, Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
>
>> On 28/08/17 01:09, Reco wrote:
>> >
>> > X-Spam-Status contains LDOSUBSCRIBER for you, me, and everyone
>> > that's on the list. Like this: [...]
>
> I just looked at my copy, it did not contain that string in
> x-spam-status.


I'm in usual in-the-moment cognitive gear where something doesn't
occur to me unless it's triggered by something else absolutely and
directly related.

Like you running yours in secondary response after it first came up.
Only then did it occur to me to test drive mine.

They're definitely not all the same in case anyone has them backed up
and not yet deleted.

Cindy :)
-- 
Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA

* Elsie: A 1958 3/4 ton Studebaker Transtar pickup truck with 3 on the
tree. Was lottery image invoking to see this name in spam simultaneous
to 2nd piece that used my name *

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#186088

On Monday 28 August 2017 10:22:48 Cindy-Sue Causey wrote:

> On 8/28/17, Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
> >> On 28/08/17 01:09, Reco wrote:
> >> > X-Spam-Status contains LDOSUBSCRIBER for you, me, and everyone
> >> > that's on the list. Like this: [...]
> >
> > I just looked at my copy, it did not contain that string in
> > x-spam-status.
>
> I'm in usual in-the-moment cognitive gear where something doesn't
> occur to me unless it's triggered by something else absolutely and
> directly related.
>
> Like you running yours in secondary response after it first came up.
> Only then did it occur to me to test drive mine.
>
> They're definitely not all the same in case anyone has them backed up
> and not yet deleted.
>
> Cindy :)

There could easily be differences in the option list spamd is using that 
would/could/should cause this miss-match. I am not using some of the 
more "exotic" filters available as it seemed they caused more FP's than 
it was worth feeding them back into sa-learn --ham. This particular 
thing did look like it might be good to raise its score by say 4 points, 
but I haven't a clue which of the extras is able to pronounce this odd 
category. So I just hit the red x when I see one, and poof, its no 
longer using space on my HD. Something that IMO, should have been caught 
before it was broadcast to the whole of the English speaking list 
subscribers. But I didn't write the rules, I just reserve the right to 
bitch. :-)

Cheers Cindy, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#186095

On 8/28/17, Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
> On Monday 28 August 2017 10:22:48 Cindy-Sue Causey wrote:
>
>> On 8/28/17, Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
>> >> On 28/08/17 01:09, Reco wrote:
>> >> > X-Spam-Status contains LDOSUBSCRIBER for you, me, and everyone
>> >> > that's on the list. Like this: [...]
>> >
>> > I just looked at my copy, it did not contain that string in
>> > x-spam-status.
>>
>> I'm in usual in-the-moment cognitive gear where something doesn't
>> occur to me unless it's triggered by something else absolutely and
>> directly related.
>>
>> Like you running yours in secondary response after it first came up.
>> Only then did it occur to me to test drive mine.
>>
>> They're definitely not all the same in case anyone has them backed up
>> and not yet deleted.
>>
>> Cindy :)
>
> There could easily be differences in the option list spamd is using that
> would/could/should cause this miss-match. I am not using some of the
> more "exotic" filters available as it seemed they caused more FP's than
> it was worth feeding them back into sa-learn --ham. This particular
> thing did look like it might be good to raise its score by say 4 points,
> but I haven't a clue which of the extras is able to pronounce this odd
> category. So I just hit the red x when I see one, and poof, its no
> longer using space on my HD. Something that IMO, should have been caught
> before it was broadcast to the whole of the English speaking list
> subscribers. But I didn't write the rules, I just reserve the right to
> bitch. :-)


*grin*

I just had some more come in. A very short one, a VERY long one, one
completely non-existent, and one last one that was something about
"forged mua mozilla"......

The one I was basing my observation on earlier turned out to be OOPS.
It was someone we knew. The fact that there is so much difference
there still stands out.

It's an interesting distraction today. I've known about headers since
late 1990's, but this is the first time I've truly stopped and looked
at that part of them. Prior to today, that was the stuff that kept
cognitively getting in the way of whatever I was really seeking there.
:)

Cindy :)
-- 
Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA

* runs with duct tape *

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#186089

	Hi.

On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 09:20:16 -0400
Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:

> On Monday 28 August 2017 09:11:01 Mario Castelán Castro wrote:
> 
> > On 28/08/17 01:09, Reco wrote:
> > > Mario Castelán Castro <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> wrote:
> > >> I have to admit that I do not know what specific header you are
> > >> talking about.
> > >>
> > >> I was not aware that this mailing list was used in “From:”
> > >> spoofing.
> > >
> > > X-Spam-Status contains LDOSUBSCRIBER for you, me, and everyone
> > > that's on the list. Like this: [...]
> 
> I just looked at my copy, it did not contain that string in 
> x-spam-status.

A list archive id would be helpful.

Your e-mail I'm replying to - [1] - has this:

X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.0 required=4.0
tests=LDOSUBSCRIBER,LDO_WHITELIST, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RP_MATCHES_RCVD
autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0


Due to the way GMail is broken I don't see any vaild headers in my own
replies to the list of course.

Reco

[1]
https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/201708280920.16632.gheskett@shentel.net

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#186090

Hi,

Reco wrote:
> Due to the way GMail is broken I don't see any vaild headers in my own
> replies to the list of course.

Yours is

  X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.9 required=4.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,
    DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VERIFIED,FREEMAIL_FROM,LDOSUBSCRIBER,LDO_WHITELIST,
    RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0

Let's not forget that at least one of our subscribers does not send his
mails from the subscribed address. So no LDOSUBSCRIBER is in his spam header

  X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.0 required=4.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,
    LDO_WHITELIST,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no
    version=3.4.0


BTW: We are probably not the fake "From:" but rather fake "To:" or "Cc:"
of the original mails. At least this is what i saw in quoted headers if
they were in the reply text.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

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