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  which display manager would you suggest for Stretch? Harald Dunkel <harald.dunkel@aixigo.de> - 2017-08-24 07:50 +0200
    Re: which display manager would you suggest for Stretch? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-08-24 08:10 +0200
    Re: which display manager would you suggest for Stretch? kamaraju kusumanchi <raju.mailinglists@gmail.com> - 2017-08-24 08:40 +0200
      Re: which display manager would you suggest for Stretch? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-08-24 10:40 +0200
      Re: which display manager would you suggest for Stretch? Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2017-08-24 11:40 +0200
        Re: which display manager would you suggest for Stretch? kamaraju kusumanchi <raju.mailinglists@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 07:20 +0200
          Re: which display manager would you suggest for Stretch? Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2017-08-25 11:20 +0200
          Re: which display manager would you suggest for Stretch? rhkramer@gmail.com - 2017-08-25 13:00 +0200
            Re: which display manager would you suggest for Stretch? rhkramer@gmail.com - 2017-08-25 14:40 +0200
              Re: which display manager would you suggest for Stretch? Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> - 2017-08-25 14:50 +0200
              Re: which display manager would you suggest for Stretch? Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2017-08-25 19:00 +0200
              Re: which display manager would you suggest for Stretch? kamaraju kusumanchi <raju.mailinglists@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 19:50 +0200
      Re: which display manager would you suggest for Stretch? solitone <solitone@mail.com> - 2017-08-26 07:30 +0200

#185806 — which display manager would you suggest for Stretch?

Hi folks,

since kdm is not in anymore I wonder which display manager 
to consider for Stretch?

No assumption about the desktop environment should be made.
The local Debian users are free to choose.

Of course I saw https://wiki.debian.org/DisplayManager, but 
it appears to be out-of-date. And it doesn't give a 
recommendation.


Every helpful comment is highly appreciated
Harri

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#185807

Harald Dunkel composed on 2017-08-24 07:44 (UTC+0200):

> since kdm is not in anymore I wonder which display manager 
> to consider for Stretch?

> No assumption about the desktop environment should be made.
> The local Debian users are free to choose.

> Of course I saw https://wiki.debian.org/DisplayManager, but 
> it appears to be out-of-date. And it doesn't give a 
> recommendation.

> Every helpful comment is highly appreciated

Which DE or WM is your preference?

Mine: https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/DebianInstall
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#185808

On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 1:44 AM, Harald Dunkel <harald.dunkel@aixigo.de> wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> since kdm is not in anymore I wonder which display manager
> to consider for Stretch?
>
> No assumption about the desktop environment should be made.
> The local Debian users are free to choose.
>
> Of course I saw https://wiki.debian.org/DisplayManager, but
> it appears to be out-of-date. And it doesn't give a
> recommendation.
>
>
> Every helpful comment is highly appreciated
> Harri
>

Short answer:
gdm3 is the most the popular display manager with lightdm, sddm trailing behind.

Long answer:
I have been in this type of situation many times where I was looking
for a recommended(?) tool to accomplish a particular task (ex:- what
is the best IDE to write python programs?). One way to address this is
to see what tools are currently popular and then start exploring the
most popular ones first.

Coming back to your question, I did

 % apt-cache search display manager --names-only | popsort.py
22060 nodm - automatic display manager
21307 wdm - WINGs Display Manager - an xdm replacement with a WindowMaker look
18484 lxdm - LXDE display manager
10218 slim - desktop-independent graphical login manager for X11
9363 xdm - X display manager
4337 sddm - modern display manager for X11
1999 lightdm - simple display manager
1595 gdm3 - GNOME Display Manager

Here the apt-cache command lists the packages with words "display",
"manager" in their names. The output is piped to the python script,
popsort.py which ranks the lines by popularity (the lower the number,
the more popular it is). This shows gdm3 is the most popular one with
lightdm and sddm trailing behind. So, you can start exploring them
first and see if they fit your needs.

The popsort.py utility is written by me. It can be downloaded from
https://gitlab.com/d3k2mk7/rutils/blob/master/bin/popsort.py  and is
documented at http://raju.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Sort_output_of_apt-cache_search_by_popularity
. I would appreciate if you have any feedback/comments/criticism on
this script (no matter how small you think it is).

Cheers
raju
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#185810

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On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 02:37:41AM -0400, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote:

[...]

> Long answer:
> I have been in this type of situation many times where I was looking
> for a recommended(?) tool to accomplish a particular task [...]

Thanks for this, it was enlightening and entertaining at the same
time. And thanks for popsort!

Now I know I'm not as exotic as I thought, wit xdm. One reason less
to be arrogant, I guess ;-)

Cheers
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#185813

Hi Raju,

On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 02:37:41 -0400
kamaraju kusumanchi <raju.mailinglists@gmail.com> wrote:

(...)
> The popsort.py utility is written by me. It can be downloaded from
> https://gitlab.com/d3k2mk7/rutils/blob/master/bin/popsort.py  and is
> documented at
> http://raju.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Sort_output_of_apt-cache_search_by_popularity .
> I would appreciate if you have any feedback/comments/criticism on this
> script (no matter how small you think it is).

very nice indeed, thanks for sharing!
Only (very small) "criticism" (just because you were asking): I think the
output would be more "intuitive" to read if the most popular package
appears in the output first. I think adding a "sorted_lines.reverse()" in
sort_lines() just before the "return" statement would do that. But maybe
this is only my personal preference at all and other people like it
better the way it is.

Thanks again and best regards

Michael

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#185881

On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 5:35 AM, Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> wrote:
> Hi Raju,
>
> On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 02:37:41 -0400
> kamaraju kusumanchi <raju.mailinglists@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> (...)
>> The popsort.py utility is written by me. It can be downloaded from
>> https://gitlab.com/d3k2mk7/rutils/blob/master/bin/popsort.py  and is
>> documented at
>> http://raju.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Sort_output_of_apt-cache_search_by_popularity .
>> I would appreciate if you have any feedback/comments/criticism on this
>> script (no matter how small you think it is).
>
> very nice indeed, thanks for sharing!

You are welcome.

> Only (very small) "criticism" (just because you were asking): I think the
> output would be more "intuitive" to read if the most popular package
> appears in the output first. I think adding a "sorted_lines.reverse()" in
> sort_lines() just before the "return" statement would do that. But maybe
> this is only my personal preference at all and other people like it
> better the way it is.

Thanks for the feedback. I added this under a new option,
--most-popular-first. So, if you do

% apt-cache search display manager --names-only | popsort.py
--most-popular-first
1595 gdm3 - GNOME Display Manager
1999 lightdm - simple display manager
4337 sddm - modern display manager for X11
9363 xdm - X display manager
10218 slim - desktop-independent graphical login manager for X11
18484 lxdm - LXDE display manager
21307 wdm - WINGs Display Manager - an xdm replacement with a WindowMaker look
22060 nodm - automatic display manager

it will list the most popular package first. However, I left the
default as is. I prefer having the most popular package at the bottom
as it minimizes "the eyeball movement". Consider, for example, a
command that produces multiple pages of output such as

% apt-cache search "^vim-" --names-only | popsort.py

To look at a few of the famous packages in this, one has to either
scroll up or pipe the output to head. With the current sorting method,
you can keep eyes closer to the command line and still get all the
important information.

raju
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Kamaraju S Kusumanchi | http://raju.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Blog

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#185894

On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 01:17:10 -0400
kamaraju kusumanchi <raju.mailinglists@gmail.com> wrote:

(...)
> it will list the most popular package first. However, I left the
> default as is. I prefer having the most popular package at the bottom
> as it minimizes "the eyeball movement". Consider, for example, a
> command that produces multiple pages of output such as
> 
> % apt-cache search "^vim-" --names-only | popsort.py
> 
> To look at a few of the famous packages in this, one has to either
> scroll up or pipe the output to head. With the current sorting method,
> you can keep eyes closer to the command line and still get all the
> important information.

Ok, I see.. good point! I admit I did not think of this. Thanks for
explaining.

Best regards

Michael


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#185899

On Friday, August 25, 2017 01:17:10 AM kamaraju kusumanchi wrote:
> To look at a few of the famous packages in this, one has to either
> scroll up or pipe the output to head. With the current sorting method,
> you can keep eyes closer to the command line and still get all the
> important information.

I'm not the op, but I'd just like to say: good thinking!

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#185904

On Friday, August 25, 2017 06:59:29 AM rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, August 25, 2017 01:17:10 AM kamaraju kusumanchi wrote:
> > To look at a few of the famous packages in this, one has to either
> > scroll up or pipe the output to head. With the current sorting method,
> > you can keep eyes closer to the command line and still get all the
> > important information.
> 
> I'm not the op, but I'd just like to say: good thinking!

Oh, on looking again, I remembered a question--what do those numbers 
represent?  When I first saw the list, in order with the higher numbers first, I 
thought maybe the numbers represented something like number of downloads, but, 
once I knew the order was in inverse order, I realized that was not the case.

What do those numbers represent / where do they come from?

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#185906

Hi, 

I suppose, it is based on the personal preferences. Many people will use gdm3, 
as Gnome is the default login manager.

However, I believe, that those, who were using kdm (like me) just would not 
notice, that kdm disappeared, as it will not be deinstalled during full-
upgrade.

Ok, what else? Well, sddm will not be usable for those people, who are using 
nvidia's proprietrary driver, as using them, sddm will not start.

I am running sddm on my EEEPC 1005HGO, which from the view and setting options 
I liked very much. 

However, at last I changed to lightdm, as the starting of sddm on this "slow" 
system (1,66GHz) is lasting about 1 minute, whilst lightdm is started below 10 
seconds. So, lightdm is my personal choice. 

However, no one is hindered to download kdm from backports, it is running very 
well on debian/testing.

So, hope, it does make things clearer.

Best regards

Hans 

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#185931

On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 08:33:00 -0400
rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:

> Oh, on looking again, I remembered a question--what do those numbers 
> represent?  When I first saw the list, in order with the higher numbers
> first, I thought maybe the numbers represented something like number of
> downloads, but, once I knew the order was in inverse order, I realized
> that was not the case.
> 
> What do those numbers represent / where do they come from?

It's the package's position in debian's popularity ranking, I think
"dpkg" is no. 1 :)

Regards

Michael

> 

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#185938

On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 8:33 AM,  <rhkramer@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, August 25, 2017 06:59:29 AM rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Friday, August 25, 2017 01:17:10 AM kamaraju kusumanchi wrote:
>> > To look at a few of the famous packages in this, one has to either
>> > scroll up or pipe the output to head. With the current sorting method,
>> > you can keep eyes closer to the command line and still get all the
>> > important information.
>>
>> I'm not the op, but I'd just like to say: good thinking!
>
> Oh, on looking again, I remembered a question--what do those numbers
> represent?  When I first saw the list, in order with the higher numbers first, I
> thought maybe the numbers represented something like number of downloads, but,
> once I knew the order was in inverse order, I realized that was not the case.
>
> What do those numbers represent / where do they come from?
>

They are the ranks of the packages based on their popularity [1]. The
data is downloaded from http://popcon.debian.org/by_inst and cached
into ~/.cache/popsort/by_inst [2]. The cool thing with the script is
that it automatically updates the cache file if it is more than a day
old.

[1] The statistics are gathered from report sent by users of the
popularity-contest package. To participate in this, install the
popularity-contest package. Currently it receives around 200,000
submissions.

[2] - Actually, the path is determined by using
        fname = os.path.join(
            xdg.BaseDirectory.xdg_cache_home,
            'popsort', 'by_inst')
but since xdg.BaseDirectory.xdg_cache_home is set to ~/.cache by
default, it boils down to ~/.cache/popsort/by_inst .

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#185965

On Thursday, 24 August 2017 02:37:41 CEST kamaraju kusumanchi wrote:
> gdm3 is the most the popular display manager with lightdm, sddm trailing
> behind.

I choose kde desktop during installation, and sddm whas installed.
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