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  Re: USB wireless keyboard in stretch Mario Castelán Castro <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> - 2017-08-22 04:50 +0200
    Re: USB wireless keyboard in stretch Jape Person <japers@comcast.net> - 2017-08-22 06:10 +0200
      Re: USB wireless keyboard in stretch Mario Castelán Castro <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> - 2017-08-22 15:40 +0200
        Re: USB wireless keyboard in stretch Jape Person <japers@comcast.net> - 2017-08-22 17:30 +0200
          Re: USB wireless keyboard in stretch Zoltán Herman <zoltanhbz@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 18:20 +0200
            Re: USB wireless keyboard in stretch Zoltán Herman <zoltanhbz@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 21:10 +0200
          Wireless devices and cryptography in practice (Was: USB wireless  keyboard in stretch) Mario Castelán Castro <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> - 2017-08-22 19:20 +0200
            Re: Wireless devices and cryptography in practice (Was: USB wireless  keyboard in stretch) Mario Castelán Castro <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> - 2017-08-22 19:40 +0200
              Re: Wireless devices and cryptography in practice (Was: USB wireless  keyboard in stretch) Mario Castelán Castro <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> - 2017-08-22 19:50 +0200
                Re: Wireless devices and cryptography in practice (Was: USB wireless  keyboard in stretch) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2017-08-22 20:10 +0200
              Re: Wireless devices and cryptography in practice (Was: USB wireless  keyboard in stretch) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2017-08-22 20:00 +0200
            Re: Wireless devices and cryptography in practice (Was: USB wireless  keyboard in stretch) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2017-08-22 20:00 +0200
            Re: Wireless devices and cryptography in practice (Was: USB wireless  keyboard in stretch) Jape Person <japers@comcast.net> - 2017-08-22 20:10 +0200
              Re: Wireless devices and cryptography in practice (Was: USB wireless  keyboard in stretch) Mario Castelán Castro <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> - 2017-08-22 20:50 +0200
                Re: Wireless devices and cryptography in practice (Was: USB wireless  keyboard in stretch) Jape Person <japers@comcast.net> - 2017-08-22 22:20 +0200
                  Re: Wireless devices and cryptography in practice (Was: USB wireless  keyboard in stretch) Mario Castelán Castro <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> - 2017-08-22 23:20 +0200
                    Re: Wireless devices and cryptography in practice (Was: USB wireless  keyboard in stretch) Jape Person <japers@comcast.net> - 2017-08-23 00:10 +0200
                      Re: Wireless devices and cryptography in practice (Was: USB wireless  keyboard in stretch) Jape Person <japers@comcast.net> - 2017-08-23 00:10 +0200
            Re: Wireless devices and cryptography in practice (Was: USB wireless keyboard in stretch) Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com> - 2017-08-22 23:40 +0200
    Re: USB wireless keyboard in stretch Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org.uk> - 2017-08-22 11:20 +0200
      Re: USB wireless keyboard in stretch Mario Castelán Castro <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com> - 2017-08-22 15:50 +0200
    Re: USB wireless keyboard in stretch Dominic Knight <dominicknight@gmx.com> - 2017-08-22 12:30 +0200
      Re: USB wireless keyboard in stretch <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-08-22 12:30 +0200
        Re: USB wireless keyboard in stretch Zoltán Herman <zoltanhbz@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 14:40 +0200
      Re: USB wireless keyboard in stretch Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2017-08-23 00:40 +0200
        Re: USB wireless keyboard in stretch Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2017-08-23 00:40 +0200

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#185708

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On 22/08/17 04:11, Darac Marjal wrote:
> Don't forget your TEMPEST-approved faraday cage (I mean, what's the wire
> between the keyboard and the computer if not a nice aerial?)

No. USB uses twisted pair, which is designed specifically to be a bad
antenna. Also, the relatively low frequency of USB 1.0 and 2.0 does not
lend itself well to RF emission by small radiators.

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#185694

On Mon, 2017-08-21 at 21:46 -0500, Mario Castelán Castro wrote:
> On 21/08/17 17:09, Alle Meije Wink wrote:
> > Does anyone understand the cause of this problem
> 
> *The USB wireless keyboard IS itself a problem*. You are
> unnecessarily
> contaminating the environment consuming Voltaic cells where none is
> needed (obviously wired keyboards feed through the cable) and
> broadcasting what you write over the air, including your passwords.
> 
> > & how to fix it? Thanks!
> 
> Very simple: Use a wired keyboard.
> 

And all those heavy metals inside that plastic case - please revert to
using a chisel and stone tablet.

Meanwhile... some wireless keyboards and mice work very well in this
modern age, I've used Logitechs M185 & K270 without a single issue on
both Stretch and Buster.

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#185696

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On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 11:05:34AM +0100, Dominic Knight wrote:
> On Mon, 2017-08-21 at 21:46 -0500, Mario Castelán Castro wrote:

[...]

> > Very simple: Use a wired keyboard.

> And all those heavy metals inside that plastic case - please revert to
> using a chisel and stone tablet.

The "nothing-can-be-done" fallacy?

(a bit tongue in cheek ;-)
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#185699

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Check the contents of grub conf,
what is the difference to the recovery case!?

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#185754

On 22/08/17 22:05, Dominic Knight wrote:
> Meanwhile... some wireless keyboards and mice work very well in this
> modern age, I've used Logitechs M185 & K270 without a single issue on
> both Stretch and Buster.

+1, currently using these as an MK270r set on sid. I had some reception 
problems with its predecessor so from habit use a USB extension to move 
the nano receiver a bit closer. No problems so far with this set. My 
favourite keyboard and mouse ever. I would give it a 9/10 (shortcut keys 
could be better).

Last time I looked into it, keyboard packets are encrypted with AES (but 
actual security is more than just this), but mouse packets are unencrypted.

Kind regards,

-- 
Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz>
Director
Transient Software Limited <http://transient.nz/>
New Zealand

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#185756

On 23/08/17 10:32, Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote:
> On 22/08/17 22:05, Dominic Knight wrote:
>> Meanwhile... some wireless keyboards and mice work very well in this
>> modern age, I've used Logitechs M185 & K270 without a single issue on
>> both Stretch and Buster.
> +1, currently using these as an MK270r set on sid. I had some reception 
> problems with its predecessor so from habit use a USB extension to move 
> the nano receiver a bit closer. No problems so far with this set. My 
> favourite keyboard and mouse ever. I would give it a 9/10 (shortcut keys 
> could be better).

And battery level reporting is not yet supported on Debian for this 
model (in XFCE power manager or solaar). Still 9/10.  :-)

Kind regards,

-- 
Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz>
Director
Transient Software Limited <http://transient.nz/>
New Zealand

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