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Started byPierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com>
First post2017-08-14 11:50 +0200
Last post2017-08-19 10:40 +0200
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  no /etc/inittab Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> - 2017-08-14 11:50 +0200
    Re: no /etc/inittab Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2017-08-14 13:00 +0200
      Re: no /etc/inittab Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> - 2017-08-14 13:10 +0200
        Re: no /etc/inittab Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2017-08-14 13:40 +0200
          Re: no /etc/inittab Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> - 2017-08-14 13:50 +0200
          Re: no /etc/inittab Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-08-14 18:10 +0200
            Re: no /etc/inittab Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2017-08-14 23:20 +0200
        Re: no /etc/inittab Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2017-08-14 14:00 +0200
          Re: no /etc/inittab Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> - 2017-08-14 15:00 +0200
          Re: no /etc/inittab Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2017-08-14 15:30 +0200
            Re: no /etc/inittab Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2017-08-14 15:50 +0200
              Re: no /etc/inittab Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> - 2017-08-14 16:00 +0200
                Re: no /etc/inittab Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org.uk> - 2017-08-14 16:10 +0200
                  Re: no /etc/inittab Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> - 2017-08-14 16:30 +0200
                    Re: no /etc/inittab Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org.uk> - 2017-08-14 16:40 +0200
                      Re: no /etc/inittab Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> - 2017-08-14 18:30 +0200
              Re: no /etc/inittab Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@debian.org> - 2017-08-14 16:30 +0200
                Re: no /etc/inittab Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2017-08-14 17:30 +0200
                  Re: no /etc/inittab Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@debian.org> - 2017-08-14 18:20 +0200
                    Re: no /etc/inittab David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-08-15 19:10 +0200
            Re: no /etc/inittab Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2017-08-19 12:10 +0200
              Re: no /etc/inittab David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-08-19 22:10 +0200
                Re: no /etc/inittab Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2017-08-19 23:00 +0200
      Re: no /etc/inittab deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2017-08-14 16:30 +0200
        No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2017-08-15 12:50 +0200
          Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2017-08-15 14:00 +0200
            Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2017-08-15 15:00 +0200
              Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Dejan Jocic <jodejka@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 15:10 +0200
                Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2017-08-15 15:30 +0200
                  Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2017-08-15 16:10 +0200
                  Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org.uk> - 2017-08-15 16:20 +0200
                    Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2017-08-15 16:50 +0200
                      Re: No ifconfig Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 18:30 +0200
                        Re: No ifconfig Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2017-08-15 19:00 +0200
                          Re: No ifconfig Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 19:20 +0200
                            Re: No ifconfig David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-08-15 20:30 +0200
                      Re: Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Clive Standbridge <list-user@tgstandbridges.plus.com> - 2017-08-16 10:00 +0200
                        Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-16 11:00 +0200
                          Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-08-16 12:00 +0200
                            Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2017-08-16 14:30 +0200
                            Re: Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Clive Standbridge <list-user@tgstandbridges.plus.com> - 2017-08-16 16:20 +0200
                              Re: Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-08-16 16:40 +0200
                                Re: Re: Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Clive Standbridge <list-user@tgstandbridges.plus.com> - 2017-08-16 17:20 +0200
                  Re: No ifconfig Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 18:40 +0200
                    Re: No ifconfig Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-15 19:50 +0200
                      Re: No ifconfig Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-15 19:50 +0200
                        Re: No ifconfig David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-08-15 20:20 +0200
                          Re: No ifconfig Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-15 21:00 +0200
                            Re: No ifconfig Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-08-15 22:00 +0200
                            Re: No ifconfig Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2017-08-15 22:10 +0200
                              Re: No ifconfig Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-16 04:00 +0200
                      Re: No ifconfig Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2017-08-15 19:50 +0200
                  No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2017-08-28 09:40 +0200
                Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2017-08-15 15:30 +0200
                  Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Dejan Jocic <jodejka@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 16:50 +0200
                  Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2017-08-15 17:10 +0200
                    Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-15 19:30 +0200
                      Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-08-15 20:20 +0200
                        Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-15 21:00 +0200
                          Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-08-15 21:50 +0200
                            Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-16 04:00 +0200
                      Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2017-08-15 20:20 +0200
                        Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-15 21:00 +0200
                Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-08-15 16:10 +0200
                  Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@debian.org> - 2017-08-15 16:40 +0200
                    No ifconfig Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2017-08-19 10:10 +0200
                      Re: No ifconfig Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@debian.org> - 2017-08-19 14:10 +0200
            Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-15 17:30 +0200
              Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Glenn English <ghe2001@gmail.com> - 2017-08-15 18:40 +0200
                Re: No ifconfig Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2017-08-19 10:40 +0200
                  Re: No ifconfig Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2017-08-19 11:40 +0200
                  Re: No ifconfig Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-19 15:30 +0200
                    Re: No ifconfig Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2017-08-19 15:50 +0200
                      Re: No ifconfig Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com> - 2017-08-19 16:20 +0200
                      Re: No ifconfig Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com> - 2017-08-19 16:20 +0200
                        Re: No ifconfig Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com> - 2017-08-19 16:30 +0200
                          Re: No ifconfig Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2017-08-19 17:10 +0200
                            Re: No ifconfig Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-19 20:40 +0200
                              Re: No ifconfig Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-08-19 21:00 +0200
                                Re: No ifconfig Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-19 21:30 +0200
                                  Re: No ifconfig Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-08-19 21:40 +0200
                                    Re: No ifconfig Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-19 21:50 +0200
                                Re: No ifconfig Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2017-08-20 02:10 +0200
                        Re: No ifconfig Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2017-08-19 16:50 +0200
                        Re: No ifconfig Ansgar Burchardt <ansgar@debian.org> - 2017-08-20 12:00 +0200
                          Re: No ifconfig Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com> - 2017-08-21 15:30 +0200
                      Re: No ifconfig Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-19 16:30 +0200
                        Re: No ifconfig Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-08-19 19:50 +0200
                          Re: No ifconfig Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2017-08-20 14:40 +0200
                            Re: No ifconfig <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-08-20 14:50 +0200
                            Re: No ifconfig Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-20 17:50 +0200
                              Re: No ifconfig Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2017-08-21 05:20 +0200
                                Re: No ifconfig Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-21 06:00 +0200
                        Re: No ifconfig Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2017-08-19 23:40 +0200
                    Re: No ifconfig Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2017-08-20 02:20 +0200
                    Re: No ifconfig Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2017-08-20 14:50 +0200
                      Re: No ifconfig Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2017-08-21 07:20 +0200
                        Re: No ifconfig Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2017-08-21 15:00 +0200
                          Re: No ifconfig Christian Seiler <christian@iwakd.de> - 2017-08-21 15:10 +0200
                            Re: No ifconfig Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-21 17:10 +0200
                              Re: No ifconfig Christian Seiler <christian@iwakd.de> - 2017-08-21 18:20 +0200
                                Re: No ifconfig Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-21 19:10 +0200
                                  Re: No ifconfig Christian Seiler <christian@iwakd.de> - 2017-08-21 19:20 +0200
                                    Re: No ifconfig Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-21 19:50 +0200
                                      Re: No ifconfig Christian Seiler <christian@iwakd.de> - 2017-08-21 20:10 +0200
                                        Re: No ifconfig Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-21 21:50 +0200
                                Re: No ifconfig Christian Seiler <christian@iwakd.de> - 2017-08-22 17:20 +0200
                                Re: No ifconfig Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2017-08-22 17:20 +0200
                            Re: No ifconfig Eike Lantzsch <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2017-08-21 17:30 +0200
                              No ifconfig Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2017-08-28 10:40 +0200
                            No ifconfig Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2017-08-28 10:20 +0200
                          Re: No ifconfig Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2017-08-21 17:30 +0200
              Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-08-15 19:10 +0200
                Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-15 19:50 +0200
                  Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-08-15 20:10 +0200
                    Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-15 20:50 +0200
                      Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-08-15 21:30 +0200
                        Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-16 03:40 +0200
                      Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-08-15 21:30 +0200
                        Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-16 03:50 +0200
                          Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab] David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-08-16 06:40 +0200
      Re: no /etc/inittab Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-08-14 21:30 +0200
        Re: obsolete wiki (was: no /etc/inittab) Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-08-14 22:40 +0200
          Re: obsolete wiki (was: no /etc/inittab) Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-08-14 23:20 +0200
            Re: obsolete wiki Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-08-14 23:50 +0200
              Re: obsolete wiki rhkramer@gmail.com - 2017-08-15 16:10 +0200
                Re: obsolete wiki Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-08-15 19:20 +0200
                  Re: obsolete wiki Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2017-08-15 19:40 +0200
                  Re: obsolete wiki rhkramer@gmail.com - 2017-08-16 14:30 +0200
                    Re: obsolete wiki Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-08-16 16:20 +0200
                Re: obsolete wiki Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2017-08-28 11:20 +0200
                  Re: obsolete wiki rhkramer@gmail.com - 2017-08-28 12:50 +0200
            obsolete wiki (was: no /etc/inittab) Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2017-08-28 08:20 +0200
          Re: obsolete wiki (was: no /etc/inittab) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-15 00:20 +0200
            Re: obsolete wiki (no /etc/inittab) Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2017-08-19 11:50 +0200
              Re: obsolete wiki (no /etc/inittab) Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> - 2017-08-19 15:10 +0200
              Re: obsolete wiki (no /etc/inittab) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-19 16:00 +0200
                Re: obsolete wiki (no /etc/inittab) Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2017-08-19 20:00 +0200
                  Re: obsolete wiki (no /etc/inittab) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-19 21:10 +0200
                    Re: obsolete wiki (no /etc/inittab) Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-08-19 21:30 +0200
                  Re: obsolete wiki (no /etc/inittab) Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2017-08-21 15:10 +0200
                    Re: obsolete wiki (no /etc/inittab) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-08-21 16:30 +0200
                    obsolete wiki (no /etc/inittab) Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2017-08-28 09:00 +0200
    Re: no /etc/inittab Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2017-08-19 10:40 +0200

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#185324 — Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab]

FromGene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2017-08-16 04:00 +0200
SubjectRe: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab]
Message-ID<ueVML-F3-29@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#185312
On Tuesday 15 August 2017 15:46:15 Brian wrote:

> On Tue 15 Aug 2017 at 14:53:39 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Tuesday 15 August 2017 14:19:37 David Wright wrote:
> > > On Tue 15 Aug 2017 at 13:24:56 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday 15 August 2017 10:48:12 Nicolas George wrote:
> > > > > L'octidi 28 thermidor, an CCXXV, Erik Christiansen a écrit :
> > > > > > Around 30 years of familiarity across many *nix flavours.
> > > > >
> > > > > You said it: the only superiority of ifconfig over iproute2 is
> > > > > tradition and familiarity of long-time users. On the other
> > > > > hand, ifconfig is technically inferior on most if not all
> > > > > points.
> > > > >
> > > > > I hope you realize that traditions and familiarity of old
> > > > > geezers can only go so far to justify the evolution or
> > > > > non-evolution of a system. Otherwise, we still would have ed
> > > > > in the base system.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Nicolas: The nearest ipv6 address to me is likely 150 miles
> > > > north, in Pittsburgh PA. Its all ipv4 here in WV AFAIK.
> > >
> > > Odd, the nearest to me is underneath the table. I use 6 a lot,
> > > as a cat5 cable is much faster than two legs of weak wireless
> > > to the router and back. And it requires no configuration—it's
> > > just there.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > David.
> >
> > Thats a bridge I'll cross, if it gets here before I miss morning
> > roll call. :)
>
> If you do, you'll be on a charge. :)

Around here, the ovens only get lit for cash.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#185300 — Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab]

FromNicolas George <george@nsup.org>
Date2017-08-15 20:20 +0200
SubjectRe: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab]
Message-ID<ueOBB-4KI-35@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#185290
L'octidi 28 thermidor, an CCXXV, Gene Heskett a écrit :
> Nicolas: The nearest ipv6 address to me is likely 150 miles north, in 
> Pittsburgh PA. Its all ipv4 here in WV AFAIK.

You seem to be under the misapprehension that the policy of Debian
development revolves around your personal perceived needs. It does not.

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George

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#185303 — Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab]

FromGene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2017-08-15 21:00 +0200
SubjectRe: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab]
Message-ID<uePeh-4Zy-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#185300
On Tuesday 15 August 2017 14:01:28 Nicolas George wrote:

> L'octidi 28 thermidor, an CCXXV, Gene Heskett a écrit :
> > Nicolas: The nearest ipv6 address to me is likely 150 miles north,
> > in Pittsburgh PA. Its all ipv4 here in WV AFAIK.
>
> You seem to be under the misapprehension that the policy of Debian
> development revolves around your personal perceived needs. It does
> not.
>
> Regards,

Not at all, Nicolas, but I do want to be prepared when it (ipv6) does 
arrive in these here hills.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#185261 — Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab]

FromFelix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net>
Date2017-08-15 16:10 +0200
SubjectRe: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab]
Message-ID<ueKHD-2hj-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#185255
Dejan Jocic composed on 2017-08-15 15:03 (UTC+0200):

> Erik Christiansen wrote:

>> Nicolas George wrote:

>> > Please ellaborate. Why should ifconfig be part of the base system?

>> With pleasure. It is the most basic and useful *nix networking tool,
>> traditional since well back in the last millennium, spanning hp-ux,
>> sunos, then solaris, and various linux distros, in my experience. Even
>> if used mostly interrogatively these days, it is the quickest way to
>> check how "eth0" is currently encrypted, what the IP address is, etc. It

'ip a' get's me what I'm interested in with less typing than 'ifconfig -a'.

>> is not anything which needs to be added - we just need busybodies to
>> refrain from taking it out.

> And what exactly do you miss in ifconfig and net-tools package, that you
> can not do with ip, which is part of iproute2 package that comes as part
> of base system?

Interesting man page difference:

Stretch:
       Ifconfig  is  used  to  configure  the  kernel-resident network
       interfaces.  It is used at boot time to set  up  interfaces  as
       necessary.   After  that, it is usually only needed when debug-
       ging or when system tuning is needed.

       If no arguments are given, ifconfig displays the status of  the
       currently active interfaces.  If a single interface argument is
       given, it displays the status of the given interface only; if a
       single  -a  argument  is  given,  it displays the status of all
       interfaces, even those that are down.  Otherwise, it configures
       an interface.

openSUSE:
       Ifconfig  is  used  to  configure  the  kernel-resident network
       interfaces.  It is used at boot time to set  up  interfaces  as
       necessary.   After  that, it is usually only needed when debug-
       ging or when system tuning is needed.

       WARNING: Ifconfig is obsolete on system with Linux kernel newer
       than  2.0.  On this system you should use ip. See the ip manual
       page for details

       If no arguments are given, ifconfig displays the status of  the
       currently active interfaces.  If a single interface argument is
       given, it displays the status of the given interface only; if a
       single  -a  argument  is  given,  it displays the status of all
       interfaces, even those that are down.  Otherwise, it configures
       an interface.
-- 
"The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/

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#185266 — Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab]

FromHenrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@debian.org>
Date2017-08-15 16:40 +0200
SubjectRe: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab]
Message-ID<ueLaF-2u5-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#185261
On Tue, 15 Aug 2017, Felix Miata wrote:
> >> > Please ellaborate. Why should ifconfig be part of the base system?

Indeed.  It shouldn't, and it doesn't anymore.  Maybe net-tools should
be part of the *standard* system, but it certainly does not belong to
the *base* system anymore.

*base* is "what is required for packages to be installed and
upgraded"...

> >> is not anything which needs to be added - we just need busybodies to
> >> refrain from taking it out.

https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#iproute2

It is broken in that it just *can't* handle the Linux networking stack
except for the bare minimum functionality on IPv4 (no, it doesn't meet
even the bare minimum for IPv6), and the only reason we had to keep it
around by default (consistent output that some scripts scrapped) was
broken by GNU upstream when it took ifconfig out of the bit-rot pit hell
and started maintaining it again.

So, it [somewhat recently] broke scripts that scrapped its output, and
it will give you incomplete/incorrect information because it can't
handle lots of details of the Linux networking stack...

> Interesting man page difference:
> 
> Stretch:
>        Ifconfig  is  used  to  configure  the  kernel-resident network
>        interfaces.  It is used at boot time to set  up  interfaces  as
>        necessary.   After  that, it is usually only needed when debug-
>        ging or when system tuning is needed.
> 
>        If no arguments are given, ifconfig displays the status of  the
>        currently active interfaces.  If a single interface argument is
>        given, it displays the status of the given interface only; if a
>        single  -a  argument  is  given,  it displays the status of all
>        interfaces, even those that are down.  Otherwise, it configures
>        an interface.

Which is outdated...

In Debian, it is *not* used to configure anything at boot time: not with
systemd, and not with sysvinit+initscripts.

And if any Debian package wants/needs it, it has to depend on net-tools.

>        WARNING: Ifconfig is obsolete on system with Linux kernel newer
>        than  2.0.  On this system you should use ip. See the ip manual
>        page for details

We should add that paragraph, yes, and remove the "boot time" stuff :-)

-- 
  Henrique Holschuh

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#185478 — No ifconfig

FromJonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM>
Date2017-08-19 10:10 +0200
SubjectNo ifconfig
Message-ID<ug6Zr-7dH-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#185266
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh:
> [...] and the only reason we had to keep it around by default [...] 
> was broken by GNU upstream when it took ifconfig out of the bit-rot 
> pit hell and started maintaining it again.

net-tools is not a GNU Software package.

* https://sourceforge.net/projects/net-tools/

* https://www.gnu.org/software/software.html

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#185487 — Re: No ifconfig

FromHenrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@debian.org>
Date2017-08-19 14:10 +0200
SubjectRe: No ifconfig
Message-ID<ugaJH-19w-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#185478
On Sat, 19 Aug 2017, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote:
> Henrique de Moraes Holschuh:
> > [...] and the only reason we had to keep it around by default [...] was
> > broken by GNU upstream when it took ifconfig out of the bit-rot pit hell
> > and started maintaining it again.
> 
> net-tools is not a GNU Software package.

Hmm, indeed it isn't.  I apologise for the mistake.

-- 
  Henrique Holschuh

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#185274 — Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab]

FromGene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2017-08-15 17:30 +0200
SubjectRe: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab]
Message-ID<ueLX5-30v-25@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#185251
On Tuesday 15 August 2017 07:33:53 Nicolas George wrote:

> L'octidi 28 thermidor, an CCXXV, Erik Christiansen a écrit :
> > If it's no longer part of the base system, then perhaps the system
> > is too base?
>
> Please ellaborate. Why should ifconfig be part of the base system?
>
> Regards,

Because ip is a pain in the ass to make it run, and still gives grossly 
incomplete information?

In 2 years, I have yet to get a full network report out of ip such as 
ifconfig gives.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#185281 — Re: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab]

FromGlenn English <ghe2001@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-15 18:40 +0200
SubjectRe: No ifconfig [Was: no /etc/inittab]
Message-ID<ueN2O-3DK-35@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#185274
On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 3:23 PM, Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:

> Because ip is a pain in the ass to make it run, and still gives grossly
> incomplete information?
>
> In 2 years, I have yet to get a full network report out of ip such as
> ifconfig gives.

How about fixing ip? Like 'ip --config'? Or just 'ip -h'?

I've written many scripts over the years, using ifconfig and others,
and having everything broken now is a major PITA.

I very much agree that sysV init and those old commands were a mess,
especially with the introduction of ipv6. But I'd have more inclined
to fix what was there than to replace it with commands that return
gibberish and kill so many scripts so many people have written.

One of the benefits, to me anyway, of Debian, Linux, and GNU was that
things were very often designed to output text, for the benefit of
humans. For the benefit of computers, that info could easily be parsed
by other commands.

--
Glenn English

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#185480 — Re: No ifconfig

FromJonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM>
Date2017-08-19 10:40 +0200
SubjectRe: No ifconfig
Message-ID<ug7st-7nV-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#185281
Glenn English:

> I've written many scripts over the years, using ifconfig and others, 
> and having everything broken now is a major PITA.
>
> I very much agree that sysV init and those old commands were a mess, 
> especially with the introduction of ipv6. But I'd have more inclined 
> to fix what was there than to replace it with commands that return 
> gibberish and kill so many scripts so many people have written.
>

That is, in fact, what the BSD people did.  On FreeBSD and OpenBSD, for 
examples, modern ifconfig has fully functional IPv6 capability, with 
parameters like (to pick just some at random) eui64, prefixlen, 
auto_linklocal, autoconfprivacy, defaultif, and ifdisabled.

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#185483 — Re: No ifconfig

FromZenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net>
Date2017-08-19 11:40 +0200
SubjectRe: No ifconfig
Message-ID<ug8ox-81N-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#185480
On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 09:15:42AM +0100, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote:
> Glenn English:
> 
> > I've written many scripts over the years, using ifconfig and others, and having everything broken now is a major
> > PITA.
> > 
> > I very much agree that sysV init and those old commands were a mess, especially with the introduction of ipv6. But
> > I'd have more inclined to fix what was there than to replace it with commands that return gibberish and kill so
> > many scripts so many people have written.
> > 
> 
> That is, in fact, what the BSD people did.  On FreeBSD and OpenBSD, for examples, modern ifconfig has fully functional
> IPv6 capability, with parameters like (to pick just some at random) eui64, prefixlen, auto_linklocal, autoconfprivacy,
> defaultif, and ifdisabled.

Perhaps Devuan would better suit you? - they keep sysvinit as
primary, saving you the hassle of updating/ rewriting your scripts
and/ or learning systemd.

Or as you mention, FreeBSD or OpenBSD?

There is no shortage of options.

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#185493 — Re: No ifconfig

FromGene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2017-08-19 15:30 +0200
SubjectRe: No ifconfig
Message-ID<ugbZ7-1PQ-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#185480
On Saturday 19 August 2017 04:15:42 Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote:

> Glenn English:
> > I've written many scripts over the years, using ifconfig and others,
> > and having everything broken now is a major PITA.
> >
> > I very much agree that sysV init and those old commands were a mess,
> > especially with the introduction of ipv6. But I'd have more inclined
> > to fix what was there than to replace it with commands that return
> > gibberish and kill so many scripts so many people have written.
>
+10

> That is, in fact, what the BSD people did.  On FreeBSD and OpenBSD,
> for examples, modern ifconfig has fully functional IPv6 capability,
> with parameters like (to pick just some at random) eui64, prefixlen,
> auto_linklocal, autoconfprivacy, defaultif, and ifdisabled.

So when do we get that ported and into debian, replacing this gibberish 
generator call ip, so we can just get back to doing the things we want 
to do with a computer?

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#185494 — Re: No ifconfig

FromNicolas George <george@nsup.org>
Date2017-08-19 15:50 +0200
SubjectRe: No ifconfig
Message-ID<ugciu-1Wb-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#185493
Le duodi 2 fructidor, an CCXXV, Gene Heskett a écrit :
> So when do we get that ported and into debian, replacing this gibberish 
> generator call ip, so we can just get back to doing the things we want 
> to do with a computer?

Never. Debian developers are not your lackeys.

-- 
  Nicolas George

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#185496 — Re: No ifconfig

FromFungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com>
Date2017-08-19 16:20 +0200
SubjectRe: No ifconfig
Message-ID<ugcLv-2mK-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#185494

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> From: fungilife@protonmail.com
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
> Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
>
>> From: george@nsup.org
>> To: Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
>> debian-user@lists.debian.org
>>
>> Le duodi 2 fructidor, an CCXXV, Gene Heskett a écrit :
>>> So when do we get that ported and into debian, replacing this gibberish
>>> generator call ip, so we can just get back to doing the things we want
>>> to do with a computer?
>>
>> Never. Debian developers are not your lackeys.
>
> Unless you are willing to pay more than n s a sys tem d red hat and they can
> become "your" lackeys.
>
>> Nicolas George

Or at least that is what this video says: [https://sysdfree.wordpress.com/113](https://sysdfree.wordpress.com/2017/08/17/113/)

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#185497 — Re: No ifconfig

FromFungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com>
Date2017-08-19 16:20 +0200
SubjectRe: No ifconfig
Message-ID<ugcLv-2mK-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#185494

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> From: george@nsup.org
> To: Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
> debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> Le duodi 2 fructidor, an CCXXV, Gene Heskett a écrit :
>> So when do we get that ported and into debian, replacing this gibberish
>> generator call ip, so we can just get back to doing the things we want
>> to do with a computer?
>
> Never. Debian developers are not your lackeys.

Unless you are willing to pay more than n s a sys tem d red hat and they can
become "your" lackeys.

> Nicolas George

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#185498 — Re: No ifconfig

FromFungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com>
Date2017-08-19 16:30 +0200
SubjectRe: No ifconfig
Message-ID<ugcVc-2qd-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#185497

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> From: george@nsup.org
> To: Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com>
> debian-user@lists.debian.org <debian-user@lists.debian.org>, Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
>
> Le duodi 2 fructidor, an CCXXV, Fungi4All a écrit :
>> Unless you are willing to pay more than n s a sys tem d red hat and they can
>> become "your" lackeys.
>
> Suggesting that the Debian developers who chose to use systemd did so
> because they are corrupt and were payed by RedHat instead is libelous
> and deeply insulting to them. I suggest you retract and apologize
> immediately.

I am at the stage of awaiting for jury for that one (as in Gene's signature order).
I am way beyond soap bubbles.  But don't take it personally, it is only politics.

> --
> Nicolas George

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#185501 — Re: No ifconfig

FromNicolas George <george@nsup.org>
Date2017-08-19 17:10 +0200
SubjectRe: No ifconfig
Message-ID<ugdxT-2S1-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#185498
Le duodi 2 fructidor, an CCXXV, Fungi4All a écrit :
> >> Unless you are willing to pay more than n s a sys tem d red hat and they can
> >> become "your" lackeys.

> > Suggesting that the Debian developers who chose to use systemd did so
> > because they are corrupt and were payed by RedHat instead is libelous
> > and deeply insulting to them. I suggest you retract and apologize
> > immediately.

> I am at the stage of awaiting for jury for that one (as in Gene's signature order).
> I am way beyond soap bubbles.  But don't take it personally, it is only politics.

As far as I am concerned, the jury has already given its conclusions
about you both, and I have decided to never give you any help
whatsoever, unless you change your attitude dramatically. I suspect most
helpful contributors on this list have already silently decided the
same, or will do so soon if you continue insulting the Debian
developers.

Anyway, I have no hope that you will understand my position, I post it
to make it clear for other readers. No doubt you will answer this mail
with another useless stunt. Please go ahead.

-- 
  Nicolas George

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#185510 — Re: No ifconfig

FromGene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2017-08-19 20:40 +0200
SubjectRe: No ifconfig
Message-ID<uggP7-4KA-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#185501
On Saturday 19 August 2017 10:49:57 Nicolas George wrote:

> Le duodi 2 fructidor, an CCXXV, Fungi4All a écrit :
> > >> Unless you are willing to pay more than n s a sys tem d red hat
> > >> and they can become "your" lackeys.
> > >
> > > Suggesting that the Debian developers who chose to use systemd did
> > > so because they are corrupt and were payed by RedHat instead is
> > > libelous and deeply insulting to them. I suggest you retract and
> > > apologize immediately.
> >
> > I am at the stage of awaiting for jury for that one (as in Gene's
> > signature order). I am way beyond soap bubbles.  But don't take it
> > personally, it is only politics.
>
> As far as I am concerned, the jury has already given its conclusions
> about you both, and I have decided to never give you any help
> whatsoever, unless you change your attitude dramatically. I suspect
> most helpful contributors on this list have already silently decided
> the same, or will do so soon if you continue insulting the Debian
> developers.

This has already affected my willingness to help people having trouble 
with network-mangler.

For folks with a small SOHO network setup that involves the maximum of 
253 or so maximum addresses, the most dependable intermachine method is 
identical /etc/hosts files, combined with an identical /etc/resolv.conf 
on all machines.  You then setup an eth0 stanza 
in /etc/network/interfaces that matches the name assigned to that 
machine. Interfaces will look something like this:
=============
auto lo

# The loopback network interface
iface lo inet loopback
address 127.0.0.1
netmask 255.255.255.0

auto eth0

# regular network for coyote.den
iface eth0 inet static
address 192.168.xx.xx
netmask 255.255.255.0
gateway 192.168.xx.xx
=================

Substituting that machines address in place of the xx.xx
Shut down dhcpd as its not needed, nor is network-mangler.

And the best part? It Just Works(TM).

But I've caught so much static over preaching about a non-network-mangler 
solution that is 90% less trouble to setup that I have given up speaking 
up when to me that solution is the ideal solution to their problems.

So you can ignore me, and I'll ignore you, until you contradict me, 
thereby adding to the poor OP's confusion.  Where your expertise exceeds 
mine, I'll do the same.  Fair?

> Anyway, I have no hope that you will understand my position, I post it
> to make it clear for other readers. No doubt you will answer this mail
> with another useless stunt. Please go ahead.


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#185513 — Re: No ifconfig

FromBrian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk>
Date2017-08-19 21:00 +0200
SubjectRe: No ifconfig
Message-ID<ugh8t-4T8-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#185510
On Sat 19 Aug 2017 at 14:38:57 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Saturday 19 August 2017 10:49:57 Nicolas George wrote:
> 
> > Le duodi 2 fructidor, an CCXXV, Fungi4All a écrit :
> > > >> Unless you are willing to pay more than n s a sys tem d red hat
> > > >> and they can become "your" lackeys.
> > > >
> > > > Suggesting that the Debian developers who chose to use systemd did
> > > > so because they are corrupt and were payed by RedHat instead is
> > > > libelous and deeply insulting to them. I suggest you retract and
> > > > apologize immediately.
> > >
> > > I am at the stage of awaiting for jury for that one (as in Gene's
> > > signature order). I am way beyond soap bubbles.  But don't take it
> > > personally, it is only politics.
> >
> > As far as I am concerned, the jury has already given its conclusions
> > about you both, and I have decided to never give you any help
> > whatsoever, unless you change your attitude dramatically. I suspect
> > most helpful contributors on this list have already silently decided
> > the same, or will do so soon if you continue insulting the Debian
> > developers.
> 
> This has already affected my willingness to help people having trouble 
> with network-mangler.
> 
> For folks with a small SOHO network setup that involves the maximum of 
> 253 or so maximum addresses, the most dependable intermachine method is 
> identical /etc/hosts files, combined with an identical /etc/resolv.conf 
> on all machines.  You then setup an eth0 stanza 
> in /etc/network/interfaces that matches the name assigned to that 
> machine. Interfaces will look something like this:
> =============
> auto lo
> 
> # The loopback network interface
> iface lo inet loopback
> address 127.0.0.1
> netmask 255.255.255.0
> 
> auto eth0
> 
> # regular network for coyote.den
> iface eth0 inet static
> address 192.168.xx.xx
> netmask 255.255.255.0
> gateway 192.168.xx.xx
> =================
> 
> Substituting that machines address in place of the xx.xx
> Shut down dhcpd as its not needed, nor is network-mangler.
> 
> And the best part? It Just Works(TM).
> 
> But I've caught so much static over preaching about a non-network-mangler 
> solution that is 90% less trouble to setup that I have given up speaking 
> up when to me that solution is the ideal solution to their problems.
> 
> So you can ignore me, and I'll ignore you, until you contradict me, 
> thereby adding to the poor OP's confusion.  Where your expertise exceeds 
> mine, I'll do the same.  Fair?

Which "poor OP" are you referring to? It has been a long thread.
 
> > Anyway, I have no hope that you will understand my position, I post it
> > to make it clear for other readers. No doubt you will answer this mail
> > with another useless stunt. Please go ahead.

network-mangler? This demonstrates a disdain for the work put into
making networking comfortable on Debian. It also probably infers a
lack of any deep understanding of how the software works.

/etc/hosts files advocated? What is wrong with using avahi-demon?
This is 2017.

-- 
Brian.

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#185517 — Re: No ifconfig

FromGene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2017-08-19 21:30 +0200
SubjectRe: No ifconfig
Message-ID<ughBw-5hL-19@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#185513
On Saturday 19 August 2017 14:57:46 Brian wrote:

> On Sat 19 Aug 2017 at 14:38:57 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Saturday 19 August 2017 10:49:57 Nicolas George wrote:
> > > Le duodi 2 fructidor, an CCXXV, Fungi4All a écrit :
> > > > >> Unless you are willing to pay more than n s a sys tem d red
> > > > >> hat and they can become "your" lackeys.
> > > > >
> > > > > Suggesting that the Debian developers who chose to use systemd
> > > > > did so because they are corrupt and were payed by RedHat
> > > > > instead is libelous and deeply insulting to them. I suggest
> > > > > you retract and apologize immediately.
> > > >
> > > > I am at the stage of awaiting for jury for that one (as in
> > > > Gene's signature order). I am way beyond soap bubbles.  But
> > > > don't take it personally, it is only politics.
> > >
> > > As far as I am concerned, the jury has already given its
> > > conclusions about you both, and I have decided to never give you
> > > any help whatsoever, unless you change your attitude dramatically.
> > > I suspect most helpful contributors on this list have already
> > > silently decided the same, or will do so soon if you continue
> > > insulting the Debian developers.
> >
> > This has already affected my willingness to help people having
> > trouble with network-mangler.
> >
> > For folks with a small SOHO network setup that involves the maximum
> > of 253 or so maximum addresses, the most dependable intermachine
> > method is identical /etc/hosts files, combined with an identical
> > /etc/resolv.conf on all machines.  You then setup an eth0 stanza
> > in /etc/network/interfaces that matches the name assigned to that
> > machine. Interfaces will look something like this:
> > =============
> > auto lo
> >
> > # The loopback network interface
> > iface lo inet loopback
> > address 127.0.0.1
> > netmask 255.255.255.0
> >
> > auto eth0
> >
> > # regular network for coyote.den
> > iface eth0 inet static
> > address 192.168.xx.xx
> > netmask 255.255.255.0
> > gateway 192.168.xx.xx
> > =================
> >
> > Substituting that machines address in place of the xx.xx
> > Shut down dhcpd as its not needed, nor is network-mangler.
> >
> > And the best part? It Just Works(TM).
> >
> > But I've caught so much static over preaching about a
> > non-network-mangler solution that is 90% less trouble to setup that
> > I have given up speaking up when to me that solution is the ideal
> > solution to their problems.
> >
> > So you can ignore me, and I'll ignore you, until you contradict me,
> > thereby adding to the poor OP's confusion.  Where your expertise
> > exceeds mine, I'll do the same.  Fair?
>
> Which "poor OP" are you referring to? It has been a long thread.
>
Heck of a good question Brian, it has indeed been a long thread, and my 
short term memory fails me.

> > > Anyway, I have no hope that you will understand my position, I
> > > post it to make it clear for other readers. No doubt you will
> > > answer this mail with another useless stunt. Please go ahead.
>
> network-mangler? This demonstrates a disdain for the work put into
> making networking comfortable on Debian. It also probably infers a
> lack of any deep understanding of how the software works.
>
> /etc/hosts files advocated? What is wrong with using avahi-demon?
> This is 2017.

For starters, it seems not to want to use 192.168 addresses very well.  I 
run it, but no clue what it does except assign the wrong address to what 
it discovers.

But my curiosity bump needed scratching, so I looked at /etc/avahi/hosts, 
and the only machine/address it discovered is correct, for my brother 
MFC's scanner.local.  The tabloid capable printer in it is also at that 
address.  I looked at the manpage for daemon.conf but have not looked at 
the file.  It seems to me that if its to be usefull, it should detect 
everything in my local class D block. There are from 4 to 6 other 
machines here, 4 others minimum.  Why did it not detect them also? If 
its to be OOTB a substitute for /etc/hosts, its not doing at all well.

Thanks Brian.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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