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  no non-free firmware on lapton, no Ethernet, related? Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-08-09 16:20 +0200
    Re: no non-free firmware on lapton, no Ethernet, related? Dejan Jocic <jodejka@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 16:30 +0200
      Re: no non-free firmware on lapton, no Ethernet, related? Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-08-09 20:30 +0200
        Re: no non-free firmware on lapton, no Ethernet, related? Dejan Jocic <jodejka@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 20:50 +0200
          Re: no non-free firmware on lapton, no Ethernet, related? Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-08-10 12:20 +0200
            Re: no non-free firmware on lapton, no Ethernet, related? Dejan Jocic <jodejka@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 13:10 +0200
              Re: no non-free firmware on lapton, no Ethernet, related? Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-08-10 14:20 +0200
                Re: no non-free firmware on lapton, no Ethernet, related? Doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> - 2017-08-10 20:40 +0200
                  Re: no non-free firmware on lapton, no Ethernet, related? Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-08-10 21:30 +0200

#184935 — no non-free firmware on lapton, no Ethernet, related?

I installed a 32-bit Debian on an HP laptop the
other day, and during installation it said
non-free components were not installed as not
on the disc, for political reasons I suppose,
and then the network couldn't be set up
correctly despite the cable in place.

When done, I couldn't get Internet to work
despite doing as superuser 'dhclient eth0'
which is all it takes on my other Debian, which
I also installed from a DVD.

So I wonder, are the Ethernet problems related
to the missing firmware?

And if not, what seems to be the problem?

TIA

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#184936

On 09-08-17, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> I installed a 32-bit Debian on an HP laptop the
> other day, and during installation it said
> non-free components were not installed as not
> on the disc, for political reasons I suppose,
> and then the network couldn't be set up
> correctly despite the cable in place.
> 
> When done, I couldn't get Internet to work
> despite doing as superuser 'dhclient eth0'
> which is all it takes on my other Debian, which
> I also installed from a DVD.
> 
> So I wonder, are the Ethernet problems related
> to the missing firmware?
> 
> And if not, what seems to be the problem?
> 
> TIA
> 
> -- 
> underground experts united
> http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573
> 

Well, you should have write down what was missing during installation,
those messages you get for reason. Also, when you have firmware and you
get note that it is missing, it is best to abort installation and
download needed firmware and put in USB you can insert during
installation. Or, to use one of the "unnofficial" images with firmware
on it:

https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/

That said, now first step would be to check your network cards and what
drivers are in use. As regular user do:

lspci -v | grep -A10 -i net

If you type that as root change A10 to A15.

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#184950

Dejan Jocic wrote:

> Well, you should have write down what was
> missing during installation, those messages
> you get for reason. Also, when you have
> firmware and you get note that it is missing,
> it is best to abort installation and download
> needed firmware and put in USB you can insert
> during installation.

Well, I can redo the installation!

Actually I just tried that, and what is missing
is b43/ucode13.fw .

I downloaded this archive [1] and copied the
files (the archive as well as all the files,
unpacked) onto a USB stick.

However inserting it didn't help because after
a short while of "looking" (?) the same error
message came up again.

[1] http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/jessie/current/firmware.zip

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#184955

On 09-08-17, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> Dejan Jocic wrote:
> 
> > Well, you should have write down what was
> > missing during installation, those messages
> > you get for reason. Also, when you have
> > firmware and you get note that it is missing,
> > it is best to abort installation and download
> > needed firmware and put in USB you can insert
> > during installation.
> 
> Well, I can redo the installation!
> 
> Actually I just tried that, and what is missing
> is b43/ucode13.fw .
> 
> I downloaded this archive [1] and copied the
> files (the archive as well as all the files,
> unpacked) onto a USB stick.
> 
> However inserting it didn't help because after
> a short while of "looking" (?) the same error
> message came up again.
> 
> [1] http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/jessie/current/firmware.zip
> 
> --
> underground experts united
> http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573
> 

Did you check among those files if there is firmware that you need?
Also, if you have another USB stick, just to be sure, try with it too?
>From quick search in debian packages, these are all related to b43:

https://packages.debian.org/jessie/firmware-b43-installer

https://packages.debian.org/jessie/b43-fwcutter

https://packages.debian.org/jessie/firmware-b43legacy-installer

So check if your hardware is related to any of those. Also, once, for
reason unknown to me, firmware from usb did not work, but installer with
firmware on it did. Could be that it was USB fault, though not sure
about it. Was using that USB without problem after that.

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#184981

Dejan Jocic wrote:

> Also, once, for reason unknown to me,
> firmware from usb did not work, but installer
> with firmware on it did. Could be that it was
> USB fault, though not sure about it.
> Was using that USB without problem
> after that.

What should I do with the installer?

Do you mean this file:

    https://packages.debian.org/jessie/all/firmware-b43-installer/download

?

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#184985

On 10-08-17, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> Dejan Jocic wrote:
> 
> > Also, once, for reason unknown to me,
> > firmware from usb did not work, but installer
> > with firmware on it did. Could be that it was
> > USB fault, though not sure about it.
> > Was using that USB without problem
> > after that.
> 
> What should I do with the installer?
> 
> Do you mean this file:
> 
>     https://packages.debian.org/jessie/all/firmware-b43-installer/download
> 
> ?
> 
> -- 
> underground experts united
> http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573
> 

No, I meant downloading installer with firmware included, like for
example this one for Jessie:

https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/archive/8.9.0+nonfree/multi-arch/iso-cd/

and this one for Stretch

https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/9.1.0+nonfree/multi-arch/iso-cd/

Those are multiarch net install CDs that will work both for 32-bit and
64-bit PCs. You just need to choose your arch when you boot into
installer. But, if you do not want to download and use those and that
downloaded firmware did not work for you, you can download just those
packages that you need and install them with dpkg. But you will have to
do same with dependencies of those packages. Also, you mentioned that
you need your ethernet to work, these b43 packages are for Broadcom
wireless cards. 

Whatever that you choose to do, do not forget to check your
/etc/apt/sources.list file and add contrib and non-free after main
wherever it is needed, something like this:

deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free

Hope that this helps.

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#184987

Dejan Jocic wrote:

> Also, you mentioned that you need your
> ethernet to work, these b43 packages are for
> Broadcom wireless cards.

Yes, that is what I meant in my OP, the lacking
firmware for wireless should not influence
Ethernet not working, right?

Anyway, to manually install it seems
unnecessary complicated, so I think I'll try
the ISO with the non-free firmware included.

> Whatever that you choose to do, do not forget
> to check your /etc/apt/sources.list file and
> add contrib and non-free after main wherever
> it is needed, something like this:
>
> deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main
> contrib non-free

Yes, with Internet working it'll be no problems
setting up the system.

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#185008

On 08/10/2017 07:11 AM, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> Dejan Jocic wrote:
>
>> Also, you mentioned that you need your
>> ethernet to work, these b43 packages are for
>> Broadcom wireless cards.
> Yes, that is what I meant in my OP, the lacking
> firmware for wireless should not influence
> Ethernet not working, right?
>
> Anyway, to manually install it seems
> unnecessary complicated, so I think I'll try
> the ISO with the non-free firmware included.
>
>> Whatever that you choose to do, do not forget
>> to check your /etc/apt/sources.list file and
>> add contrib and non-free after main wherever
>> it is needed, something like this:
>>
>> deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main
>> contrib non-free
> Yes, with Internet working it'll be no problems
> setting up the system.
>
I am primarily a PCLOS user, and I also have Mint 17 LTS. I can tell you 
that it is very tricky to get a Broadcom wireless interface to work on 
PCLOS, but on the Mint
system it works "out of the box" with no installation whatever. So what 
I can say is that you may need some extra software from Broadcom to get 
your Deb wireless
to work, and it may be difficult. Or you could get Mint and probably 
have no trouble!  This is not a free plug, just some information for you.

--doug

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#185013

Doug wrote:

> I am primarily a PCLOS user, and I also have
> Mint 17 LTS. I can tell you that it is very
> tricky to get a Broadcom wireless interface
> to work on PCLOS, but on the Mint system it
> works "out of the box" with no installation
> whatever. So what I can say is that you may
> need some extra software from Broadcom to get
> your Deb wireless to work, and it may be
> difficult. Or you could get Mint and probably
> have no trouble! This is not a free plug,
> just some information for you.

Wireless is not necessary for this laptop, only
Internet thru the Ethernet port. Is this
influenced anyhow by the missing wireless
firmware? If it isn't, I'm all the happy to
drop the issue.

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