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  Sony Memory Stick problem on Debian 9 stable Farhad Mohammadi Majd <farhadbenyamin@yahoo.com> - 2017-12-21 10:50 +0100
    Re: Sony Memory Stick problem on Debian 9 stable Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org.uk> - 2017-12-21 11:20 +0100
      Re: Re: Sony Memory Stick problem on Debian 9 stable Farhad Mohammadi Majd <farhadbenyamin@yahoo.com> - 2017-12-21 12:10 +0100
        Re: Sony Memory Stick problem on Debian 9 stable Joseph Loo <jloo20111002@gmail.com> - 2017-12-21 14:10 +0100
          Re: Re: Sony Memory Stick problem on Debian 9 stable Farhad Mohammadi Majd <farhadbenyamin@yahoo.com> - 2017-12-21 15:30 +0100
      Re: Sony Memory Stick problem on Debian 9 stable deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2017-12-21 14:10 +0100
      Re: Sony Memory Stick problem on Debian 9 stable Cindy-Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2017-12-21 17:50 +0100
    Re: Sony Memory Stick problem on Debian 9 stable Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2017-12-21 15:20 +0100

#190083 — Sony Memory Stick problem on Debian 9 stable

Hello, I want to buy a old Sony compact digital camera which supports
only Memory Stick, a removable flash memory card format, before buy it,
I get its memory card to check is it supported under Linux or not.

I inserted it into memory card reader and it is detected by system:

>>> # lsblk

>>> NAME   MAJ:MIN RM   SIZE RO TYPE
....
>>> sdc      8:32   1     2T  0 disk

but fdisk can't do anything on it:

>>> # fdisk /dev/sdc
....
....
....
>>> fdisk: cannot open /dev/sdc: Input/output error


<THANKS FOR HELP>

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#190086

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On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 01:01:13PM +0330, Farhad Mohammadi Majd wrote:
>Hello, I want to buy a old Sony compact digital camera which supports
>only Memory Stick, a removable flash memory card format, before buy it,
>I get its memory card to check is it supported under Linux or not.
>
>I inserted it into memory card reader and it is detected by system:
>
>>>> # lsblk
>
>>>> NAME   MAJ:MIN RM   SIZE RO TYPE
>....
>>>> sdc      8:32   1     2T  0 disk

2 Terabytes in an old digital camera? Either you're planning on taking a 
LOT of pictures our your Memory Stick is not actually recognised by the 
system.

First off, check that your card reader HARDWARE supports the MS. Have 
you read the Wikipedia page on Memory Sticks? There are almost as many 
variants as Secure Digital has. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_Stick

Secondly, have you checked for physical switches on the Memory Stick? 
There might be a read-only switch; there might even be a bank-select 
switch.

>
>but fdisk can't do anything on it:
>
>>>> # fdisk /dev/sdc
>....
>....
>....
>>>> fdisk: cannot open /dev/sdc: Input/output error
>
>
><THANKS FOR HELP>
>

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#190090

> First off, check that your card reader HARDWARE supports the MS. Have
you read the Wikipedia page on Memory Sticks? There are almost as many
variants as Secure Digital has.

Yes, I have read that article and my memory card reader claims that it
supports Memory Stick and has a slot for it and I think when it is
detected by system, this means my memory card reader can read this type
of memory card.

> Secondly, have you checked for physical switches on the Memory Stick?
There might be a read-only switch; there might even be a bank-select
switch.

Yes, it has a *Lock* switch, it is set to open.

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#190098

On 12/21/2017 02:53 AM, Farhad Mohammadi Majd wrote:
>> First off, check that your card reader HARDWARE supports the MS. Have
> you read the Wikipedia page on Memory Sticks? There are almost as many
> variants as Secure Digital has.
> 
> Yes, I have read that article and my memory card reader claims that it
> supports Memory Stick and has a slot for it and I think when it is
> detected by system, this means my memory card reader can read this type
> of memory card.
> 
>> Secondly, have you checked for physical switches on the Memory Stick?
> There might be a read-only switch; there might even be a bank-select
> switch.
> 
> Yes, it has a *Lock* switch, it is set to open.
> 
I believe there is something wrong with your hardware.  I do not believe
there are any sdc much less memory stick that contains 2 tB. The largest
I heard is 256 gB and memory stick is old technology.

In addition be careful of the switch. In sdc cards, the switch does not
truly make the card read only, instead it is a bit to indicate the
switch is on or off. It is up to the software to ensure that you do not
write to it. Of course this may have changed

-- 
Joseph Loo
jloo@acm.org

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#190102

on Thu, 21 Dec 2017 05:04:18, Joseph Loo wrote:

> I believe there is something wrong with your hardware.  I do not
> believe there are any sdc much less memory stick that contains 2 tB.
> The largest I heard is 256 gB and memory stick is old technology.

Yes, I think I should test this *128 MB* memory card with another more
reliable memory card reader. I will say the result. Thanks.

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#190099

Darac Marjal wrote:

> 2 Terabytes in an old digital camera? Either you're planning on taking a
> LOT of pictures our your Memory Stick is not actually recognised by the
> system.
> 
> First off, check that your card reader HARDWARE supports the MS. Have
> you read the Wikipedia page on Memory Sticks? There are almost as many
> variants as Secure Digital has.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_Stick
> 
> Secondly, have you checked for physical switches on the Memory Stick?
> There might be a read-only switch; there might even be a bank-select
> switch.

OP wrote "plan to buy". If you have Sony memory stick and know if it works
share, if not read twice before posting, please.

regards

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#190104

On 12/21/17, Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org.uk> wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 01:01:13PM +0330, Farhad Mohammadi Majd wrote:
>>Hello, I want to buy a old Sony compact digital camera which supports
>>only Memory Stick, a removable flash memory card format, before buy it,
>>I get its memory card to check is it supported under Linux or not.
>>
>>I inserted it into memory card reader and it is detected by system:
>>
>>>>> # lsblk
>>
>>>>> NAME   MAJ:MIN RM   SIZE RO TYPE
>>....
>>>>> sdc      8:32   1     2T  0 disk
>
> 2 Terabytes in an old digital camera? Either you're planning on taking a
> LOT of pictures our your Memory Stick is not actually recognised by the
> system.
>
> First off, check that your card reader HARDWARE supports the MS. Have
> you read the Wikipedia page on Memory Sticks? There are almost as many
> variants as Secure Digital has.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_Stick
>
> Secondly, have you checked for physical switches on the Memory Stick?
> There might be a read-only switch; there might even be a bank-select
> switch.


Man, I was sitting here thinking *2 TERABYTES*?! Am I reading that
output wrong?! I'd LOVE for an older camera to take more than 1 or 2
GIGABYTES, let alone 2TB! :))

K/t abject poverty, I play around A LOT with older digital cameras
rather than cutting edge. One alternate trick that *sometimes* works
is that many (dare I say at least most?) of them use cables to
communicate with computers.

*SOMETIMES*, although not always 100% of the time, the communication
that goes on via that cable is what will get what you need even when
memory card readers don't register any given class/type of memory
stick that digital cameras might use.

As I write that, it occurs to me that some of that higher success
gained by going that route is because your "card reader" is then the
same instrument that wrote data to that card in the first place. Of
all the technology available right now, theoretically one would think
that the #1 go-to thing that should *always* be able to read that
card's data is that same instrument that put that data on that card.
One would think.... :)

But that's something one wouldn't know for sure until the camera is
physically in hand, unfortunately. A couple of us here on Debian-User
had problems going that cable route to transfer images around. Those
issues seem to have settled out, though, over the last year or so.

One hard lesson I learned on the fly was that everything on a camera
can *look* fabulous can put out all the cool digital readings you
want, can preview nice, sharp pics through the viewfinder or on the
LCD screen, etc......

BUT the internal memory card reader/writer and possibly attached
dedicated processor board inside the camera can be shot, fried,
useless. In that kind of case, it can cost as much in service fees and
parts to replace as it would for a newer, much more capable camera.

Nikon D1H is my experience there.. Total brick, but it sure is pretty
to look at and make pretends with. Everyone was sleeping the day I was
able to afford that one.. :)

In the case of a fried internal memory card slot, there would...
obviously... be a bit of card reading issues in that case, too. That
was (mostly) the intended point of bringing that part up.

You can find yourself running into a brick wall for hours trying
everything you can think of for why your memory stick keeps throwing
basic errors, e.g. card not present or card not formatted. Meanwhile
the problem could ultimately be traced to a broken dedicated processor
board or similar for that memory card slot. Nothin' is going to read
nothin' for nothin' in Debian until that gets fixed first. :)

Cindy :)
-- 
Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA

* runs with #photog envy *

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#190101

> Hello, I want to buy a old Sony compact digital camera which supports
> only Memory Stick, a removable flash memory card format, before buy it,
> I get its memory card to check is it supported under Linux or not.

FWIW, if you use a USB-connected card reader, then the physical media
doesn't actually matter: it's the card reader which handles the details
of the "Memory Stick" access and your computer will only see a standard
USB-connected disk.

Of course compatibility with GNU/Linux can still be relevant in terms of
the file-system used on those things.  I have an old Sony camera using
Memory Stick Pro and the file system used on it is FAT, so I have
absolutely no trouble reading it on my Debian boxes with a USB-connected
card reader.  But in your case, the "Input/output error" indicates the
problem comes before your computer has a chance to look at the
file-system.

Maybe the card you tried to use, or the card reader was faulty (in my
experience, both have fairly high failure rates).


        Stefan

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