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  software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-11-21 20:00 +0100
    Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Kent West <westk@acu.edu> - 2017-11-21 22:50 +0100
      Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-11-21 23:10 +0100
        Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2017-11-21 23:50 +0100
          Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-11-22 00:10 +0100
          Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-11-22 00:10 +0100
        Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> - 2017-11-22 04:10 +0100
          Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Anil Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2017-11-22 11:40 +0100
            Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-11-22 15:00 +0100
            Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-11-22 15:10 +0100
            Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> - 2017-11-22 19:10 +0100
              Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Tom Furie <tom@furie.org.uk> - 2017-11-22 21:40 +0100
                Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-11-23 02:10 +0100
                  Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. "hdv@gmail" <hdv.jadev@gmail.com> - 2017-11-23 08:50 +0100
                    Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Anil Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2017-11-23 09:20 +0100
                    Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. "hdv@gmail" <hdv.jadev@gmail.com> - 2017-11-23 12:50 +0100
                      Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-11-23 13:00 +0100
                  Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2017-11-23 10:10 +0100
                    Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-11-23 17:10 +0100
                      Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2017-11-23 18:10 +0100
                  Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Cousin Stanley <cousinstanley@gmail.com> - 2017-11-23 13:50 +0100
                    Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-11-23 21:30 +0100
                      Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2017-11-23 22:30 +0100
                        Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-11-23 23:10 +0100
                          Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> - 2017-11-24 03:40 +0100
                            Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-11-24 03:50 +0100
                              Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-11-24 08:10 +0100
                                Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Anil Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2017-11-24 09:20 +0100
                                  Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-11-24 09:30 +0100
                                Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-11-24 09:40 +0100
                                  Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-11-24 09:50 +0100
                                    Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-11-24 11:10 +0100
                                      "Professional" [was: software to do drawings of houses, gardens,  etc.] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-11-24 12:00 +0100
                            Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2017-11-28 05:40 +0100
                              Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2017-11-28 09:00 +0100
                                Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2017-11-28 13:20 +0100
                                  Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-11-28 16:20 +0100
                                  Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-11-28 22:00 +0100
                                    Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2017-11-29 07:50 +0100
                                  Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-11-28 22:10 +0100
                              Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. "Brian J. Oney" <brian.j.oney@googlemail.com> - 2017-11-28 09:10 +0100
                              Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-11-28 21:50 +0100
                    Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-11-23 23:40 +0100
                      Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-11-24 00:00 +0100
                        Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-11-24 00:30 +0100
                          Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-11-24 08:00 +0100
                            Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-11-24 11:20 +0100
                      Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Eduardo M KALINOWSKI <eduardo@kalinowski.com.br> - 2017-11-24 12:20 +0100
                        Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-11-24 13:00 +0100
                          Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Eduardo M KALINOWSKI <eduardo@kalinowski.com.br> - 2017-11-24 13:00 +0100
                            Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-11-24 13:30 +0100
                              Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Eduardo M KALINOWSKI <eduardo@kalinowski.com.br> - 2017-11-24 17:10 +0100
                              Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Cousin Stanley <cousinstanley@gmail.com> - 2017-11-24 18:20 +0100
                                Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2017-11-24 18:30 +0100
                                  Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Gary Roach <gary719_list1@verizon.net> - 2017-11-24 22:40 +0100
    Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> - 2017-11-21 22:50 +0100

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#189351

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Hello there,
if you want to make the investment in learning CAD and want to do drawings programmatically, then FreeCAD with the the CadQuery Module for FreeCAD (https://github.com/jmwright/cadquery-freecad-module) is an elegant option.
CheersBrian

On Tue, 2017-11-28 at 15:37 +1100, Erik Christiansen wrote:
> On 23.11.17 21:35, Doug wrote:
> > On 11/23/2017 05:06 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> > > Joe wrote:
> > > 
> > > > What you won't be given is a dialog box with
> > > > X and Y size and coordinates, and invited to
> > > > edit them, it doesn't work that way.
> > > > That's how an object-oriented drawing program
> > > > would work.
> > > 
> > > Well, this is certainly a first that I'm an
> > > OO guy by intuition, because yes, that is how
> > > I would expect it to work. But that is drawing,
> > > not CAD?
> > > 
> > > I wonder if I should get an OO drawing
> > > application instead, and what would that be -
> > > Dia?
> > > 
> > > Or perhaps learn CAD as that's more powerful in
> > > the long run?
> > > 
> > 
> > Learning CAD is a hard road, but a worthwhile one, I think, because it is so
> > versatile.
> > Which one you learn will make some difference, depending on what you wind up
> > wanting to do with it.
> 
> After trying to get various GUI drawing packages to function at the most
> basic level, and failing to produce anything, I'm just finishing the 8
> drawings for my new house build (floor plan, elevations, sections, and
> site plan), using raw postscript. That has proven a better fit for a
> retired programmer.
> 
> I just made up functions for wall sections, windows, smoke alarms, ...,
> and then placed them programmatically at the desired coordinates, with
> the desired orientation. There is never any doubt about where a
> structure is located, and wall lengths are auto-calculated by summing
> the lengths of individual components. Using that in a "dimension"
> primitive ensures that the annotated dimension is real. And saving some
> floorplan offsets in variables ensured that the corresponding features
> were accurately placed in the sections on the next page.
> 
> And a variable was used for wallheight. When I was talked into changing
> from 2.4m to 2.7m ceilings, editing one variable instantly lifted the
> roof on four elevation and two section drawings. 
> 
> The 8 detailed drawings required around 800 lines of postscript, but
> that's creeping up toward 900 now that I'm adding notes and
> specifications.
> 
> It's faster for me, because GUI produced nothing, but not everyone
> enjoys first programming a stack-based language for a door:
> 
> /door                            % S: length (door width)
> {     dup                        
> /wall_length exch wall_length add 60 add def % Keep global variable outside dict scope.
>       1 dict begin              % 60 = 2*30 jambs.
>       /length exch def          % Take length off the stack.
>       30 100 box
>       currentpoint translate     
>       0 length lineto length length length 0 length arct 30 100 box gstroke
>       gsave 200 300 moveto length buf cvs show                       % Size text.
>       grestore
>       end                                          % End of local var scope.  
> } def
> 
> but after that, "820 door" chains an 820 mm wide door on the end of the
> current wall, in the current orientation, with lines for the open door
> and swing arc, plus the dimension in text. The variable wall_length is
> kept in global scope, because it accumulates the whole wall length for
> dimensioning purposes.
> 
> If I were building more than one house, it might almost be worth taking
> the thing beyond a one-off convenience hack, but the output is currently
> in for planning approval, and building approval will hopefully not
> require major edits. (It is, however, a delight to be able to edit my
> drawings with Vim. :-))
> 
> For viewing, ps2pdf, then xpdf or whatever
> Applications->Graphics->Document_Viewer is in reality, do the job.
> It's worth knowing that 'r' causes xpdf to reload the pdf file.
> And when diving into postscript, it's worthwhile having downloaded the
> BLUEBOOK.PDF first.
> 
> Erik
> 

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#189380

Erik Christiansen wrote:

> After trying to get various GUI drawing
> packages to function at the most basic level,
> and failing to produce anything, I'm just
> finishing the 8 drawings for my new house
> build (floor plan, elevations, sections, and
> site plan), using raw postscript. That has
> proven a better fit for a retired programmer.
> [...]

Sounds *great* and my thinking/style is exactly
the same!

Do you mind sharing the source and Makefile?

-- 
underground experts united
http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573

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#189236

Is there a piece of software that works like
gnuplot or pic/troff were you feed the program
a script with instructions and data and then
the program generates the drawing? That would
be simpler and more to the point as I'm not
designing anything, I'm just want a computer
representation of what already is.
 
-- 
underground experts united
http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573

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On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 11:37:30PM +0100, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> Is there a piece of software that works like
> gnuplot or pic/troff were you feed the program
> a script with instructions and data and then
> the program generates the drawing? That would
> be simpler and more to the point as I'm not
> designing anything, I'm just want a computer
> representation of what already is.

The more I read your musings the more I think you
are looking for OpenSCAD.

Here is a snippet out of some random .scad file,
the things OpenSCAD stores its data in:

  module strip(startpoint=[0, 0, 0]) {
    translate(startpoint)
      difference() {
        cube([60, 10, 520]);
        translate([30, -50, 45])
          rotate([-90, 0, 0])
            cylinder($fn = 100, h = 100, r = 10.25, center = false);
        translate([30, -50, 470])
          rotate([-90, 0, 0])
            cylinder($fn = 100, h = 100, r = 10.25, center = false)
      }
  }

OK, OK, it's not Lisp, but close :)

I haven't used it much (I haven't used any CAD much), but as far
as I have seen, you can freely alternate clicking-and-dragging
and typing functions in this kind of functional-y language.

There even seem to be (complete? incomplete? dunno) Emacs modes
for that thing. Let us know :-)

One data point more.

Cheers
- -- t
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#189240

t wrote:

> The more I read your musings the more I think
> you are looking for OpenSCAD.
>
> Here is a snippet out of some random .scad
> file, the things OpenSCAD stores its data in:
>
>   module strip(startpoint=[0, 0, 0]) {
>     translate(startpoint)
>       difference() {
>         cube([60, 10, 520]);
>         translate([30, -50, 45])
>           rotate([-90, 0, 0])
>             cylinder($fn = 100, h = 100, r = 10.25, center = false);
>         translate([30, -50, 470])
>           rotate([-90, 0, 0])
>             cylinder($fn = 100, h = 100, r = 10.25, center = false)
>       }
>   }
>
> OK, OK, it's not Lisp, but close :)

That sounds like a 3D GFX system? OpenGL-ish.

Anyway if you have a piece of code that will
just draw one 2D box for 5x10m or some other
digits that I can edit in a text file - *and*
a command to actually put it into a file, I'll
consider it. Her damit :)

> There even seem to be (complete? incomplete?
> dunno) Emacs modes for that thing. Let us
> know :-)

Yes, I saw one in MELPA when I searched for
"cad":

    scad-mode [...] A major mode for editing OpenSCAD code

There is also "scad-preview".

By the way, here is some pic(1) source I wrote
~7y ago - I even wrote a small tutorial how to
use it - perhaps I can use that now...

    http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/figures/pic/llc

-- 
underground experts united
http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573

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On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 12:29:06AM +0100, Emanuel Berg wrote:

[...]

>     http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/figures/pic/llc

:-)

Now write an Elisp-to-pic compiler

 (seq
  (circle :radius 0.5 :label "best effort core")
  (arrow :size 0.2)
  ...)

Cheers
- -- t
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#189258

t wrote:

>> http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/figures/pic/llc
>
> :-)
>
> Now write an Elisp-to-pic compiler
>
>  (seq (circle :radius 0.5 :label "best effort
> core") (arrow :size 0.2) ...)

This is something I wanted for years. But it
has to be real-time so the moment you evaluate
(plot-pixel 0 0 "red") a red dot appears in
the top-left corner of the screen (can be
a separate window). Perhaps this can be done
with SLIME and SDL, I don't know.

I crosspost this to gmane.emacs.help .

-- 
underground experts united
http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573

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#189260

On qui, 23 nov 2017, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> Is there a piece of software that works like
> gnuplot or pic/troff were you feed the program
> a script with instructions and data and then
> the program generates the drawing? That would
> be simpler and more to the point as I'm not
> designing anything, I'm just want a computer
> representation of what already is.

Asymptote, perhaps?

If you're willing to add a little Latex around your drawing, the Tikz package.

-- 
Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
eduardo@kalinowski.com.br

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On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 11:16:52AM +0000, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:

[...]

> Asymptote, perhaps?
> 
> If you're willing to add a little Latex around your drawing, the Tikz package.

TikZ and PGF are absolutely awesome (package is texlive-pictures, BTW.). But
quite a different kettle of fish: not a CAD program by a long shot.

Cheers
- -- t
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On sex, 24 nov 2017, tomas wrote:
> TikZ and PGF are absolutely awesome (package is texlive-pictures, BTW.). But
> quite a different kettle of fish: not a CAD program by a long shot.

Definitely, but they do fit his new request:

   Is there a piece of software that works like
   gnuplot or pic/troff were you feed the program
   a script with instructions and data and then
   the program generates the drawing?


There might be even be Tikz libraries for the kind of drawing he is  
looking for.
-- 
Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
eduardo@kalinowski.com.br

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#189263

Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:

>> TikZ and PGF are absolutely awesome (package
>> is texlive-pictures, BTW.). But quite
>> a different kettle of fish: not a CAD
>> program by a long shot.
>
> Definitely, but they do fit his new request:
>
>   Is there a piece of software that works
>   like gnuplot or pic/troff were you feed the
>   program a script with instructions and data
>   and then the program generates the drawing?
>
> There might be even be Tikz libraries for the
> kind of drawing he is looking for.

If we are talking LaTeX now, does anyone have
a "MWE" as they like to say?

It absolutely doesn't have to be CAD by any
standard other than the ability to draw simple
geometrical objects and have them denoted
with labels.

-- 
underground experts united
http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573

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#189269

On sex, 24 nov 2017, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> If we are talking LaTeX now, does anyone have
> a "MWE" as they like to say?
>
> It absolutely doesn't have to be CAD by any
> standard other than the ability to draw simple
> geometrical objects and have them denoted
> with labels.

There are several here: http://www.texample.net/tikz/examples/
-- 
Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
eduardo@kalinowski.com.br

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#189271

Emanuel Berg wrote:

>> Is there a piece of software that works
>> like gnuplot or pic/troff were you feed 
>> the program a script with instructions and data
>> and then the program generates the drawing?
>> .... 

   You might look at the Graphics Layout Engine 
   available under debian stretch .... 

     $ aot show gle-graphics

   GLE is a graphics scripting language designed 
   for creating publication quality figures 
   such as charts, plots, graphs, and diagrams. 

   It supports various chart types (including function plot, 
   histogram, bar chart, scatter plot, contour plot, color map, 
   and surface plot) through a simple but flexible set 
   of graphing commands ; 

   more complex output can be created by relying on i
   ts scripting language, which is full featured
   with subroutines, variables, and logic control.
 
 
   http://glx.sourceforge.net/
   Graphics Layout Engine - Home


   http://glx.sourceforge.net/examples/index.html
   Graphics Layout Engine - Examples


    
-- 
Stanley C. Kitching
Human Being
Phoenix, Arizona

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#189272

On 2017-11-25 02:51, Cousin Stanley wrote:
> Emanuel Berg wrote:
> 
>>> Is there a piece of software that works
>>> like gnuplot or pic/troff were you feed
>>> the program a script with instructions and data
>>> and then the program generates the drawing?
>>> ....
> 
>    You might look at the Graphics Layout Engine 
>    available under debian stretch .... 
> 
>      $ aot show gle-graphics
> 
>    GLE is a graphics scripting language designed 
>    for creating publication quality figures 
>    such as charts, plots, graphs, and diagrams. 
> 
>    It supports various chart types (including function plot, 
>    histogram, bar chart, scatter plot, contour plot, color map, 
>    and surface plot) through a simple but flexible set 
>    of graphing commands ; 
> 
>    more complex output can be created by relying on i
>    ts scripting language, which is full featured
>    with subroutines, variables, and logic control.
>  
>  
>    http://glx.sourceforge.net/
>    Graphics Layout Engine - Home
> 
> 
>    http://glx.sourceforge.net/examples/index.html
>    Graphics Layout Engine - Examples

And then there's Tikz, depending on what level of commitment you wish to
put into it.

http://www.texample.net/tikz/

-- 
"The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all
possible worlds.  The pessimist fears this is true."

Registered Linux User: 554515

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#189277

On 11/24/2017 09:23 AM, Weaver wrote:
> On 2017-11-25 02:51, Cousin Stanley wrote:
>> Emanuel Berg wrote:
>>
>>>> Is there a piece of software that works
>>>> like gnuplot or pic/troff were you feed
>>>> the program a script with instructions and data
>>>> and then the program generates the drawing?
>>>> ....
>>
>>     You might look at the Graphics Layout Engine
>>     available under debian stretch ....
>>
>>       $ aot show gle-graphics
>>
>>     GLE is a graphics scripting language designed
>>     for creating publication quality figures
>>     such as charts, plots, graphs, and diagrams.
>>
>>     It supports various chart types (including function plot,
>>     histogram, bar chart, scatter plot, contour plot, color map,
>>     and surface plot) through a simple but flexible set
>>     of graphing commands ;
>>
>>     more complex output can be created by relying on i
>>     ts scripting language, which is full featured
>>     with subroutines, variables, and logic control.
>>   
>>   
>>     http://glx.sourceforge.net/
>>     Graphics Layout Engine - Home
>>
>>
>>     http://glx.sourceforge.net/examples/index.html
>>     Graphics Layout Engine - Examples
> 
> And then there's Tikz, depending on what level of commitment you wish to
> put into it.
> 
> http://www.texample.net/tikz/
> 
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned FreeCAD in this whole 
discussion. It is my goto for any cad work. It has an architecture 
workbench, is under heavy development and is reasonably intuitive. It 
will be in your distro. just apt-get install freecad. It also handles 
AutoCAD files among quite a few others.

Gary R

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#189171

On 11/21/2017 12:05 AM, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> What software is typically used to do outdoor
> drawings with houses, gardens, etc.?
>
> I know about Dia, Gimp, and such but was
> wondering if there is specific software?
>
> It can be either "kid style" when you drag and
> drop items (as long as the proportions are
> correct), or basically whatever tools
> professionals and DIYers use.
>
> The coolest interface would be a mixture of GUI
> and CLI where you'd type what items and with
> what proportions and properties you'd like, and
> where, and then it would appear graphically on
> screen just like that :)
>
What the pros use is DraftSight, free for non-pro use, but
it won't put flowers unless you make the flowers first!
DraftSight is a clone of AutoCad, so those who are familiar
with AutoCad will have no trouble at all.

--doug

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