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software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc.

Started byEmanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com>
First post2017-11-21 20:00 +0100
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  software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-11-21 20:00 +0100
    Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Kent West <westk@acu.edu> - 2017-11-21 22:50 +0100
      Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-11-21 23:10 +0100
        Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2017-11-21 23:50 +0100
          Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-11-22 00:10 +0100
          Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-11-22 00:10 +0100
        Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> - 2017-11-22 04:10 +0100
          Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Anil Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2017-11-22 11:40 +0100
            Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-11-22 15:00 +0100
            Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-11-22 15:10 +0100
            Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> - 2017-11-22 19:10 +0100
              Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Tom Furie <tom@furie.org.uk> - 2017-11-22 21:40 +0100
                Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-11-23 02:10 +0100
                  Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. "hdv@gmail" <hdv.jadev@gmail.com> - 2017-11-23 08:50 +0100
                    Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Anil Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2017-11-23 09:20 +0100
                    Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. "hdv@gmail" <hdv.jadev@gmail.com> - 2017-11-23 12:50 +0100
                      Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-11-23 13:00 +0100
                  Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2017-11-23 10:10 +0100
                    Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-11-23 17:10 +0100
                      Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2017-11-23 18:10 +0100
                  Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Cousin Stanley <cousinstanley@gmail.com> - 2017-11-23 13:50 +0100
                    Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-11-23 21:30 +0100
                      Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2017-11-23 22:30 +0100
                        Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-11-23 23:10 +0100
                          Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> - 2017-11-24 03:40 +0100
                            Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-11-24 03:50 +0100
                              Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-11-24 08:10 +0100
                                Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Anil Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2017-11-24 09:20 +0100
                                  Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-11-24 09:30 +0100
                                Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-11-24 09:40 +0100
                                  Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-11-24 09:50 +0100
                                    Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-11-24 11:10 +0100
                                      "Professional" [was: software to do drawings of houses, gardens,  etc.] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-11-24 12:00 +0100
                            Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2017-11-28 05:40 +0100
                              Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2017-11-28 09:00 +0100
                                Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2017-11-28 13:20 +0100
                                  Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-11-28 16:20 +0100
                                  Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-11-28 22:00 +0100
                                    Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2017-11-29 07:50 +0100
                                  Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-11-28 22:10 +0100
                              Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. "Brian J. Oney" <brian.j.oney@googlemail.com> - 2017-11-28 09:10 +0100
                              Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-11-28 21:50 +0100
                    Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-11-23 23:40 +0100
                      Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-11-24 00:00 +0100
                        Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-11-24 00:30 +0100
                          Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-11-24 08:00 +0100
                            Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-11-24 11:20 +0100
                      Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Eduardo M KALINOWSKI <eduardo@kalinowski.com.br> - 2017-11-24 12:20 +0100
                        Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-11-24 13:00 +0100
                          Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Eduardo M KALINOWSKI <eduardo@kalinowski.com.br> - 2017-11-24 13:00 +0100
                            Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-11-24 13:30 +0100
                              Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Eduardo M KALINOWSKI <eduardo@kalinowski.com.br> - 2017-11-24 17:10 +0100
                              Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Cousin Stanley <cousinstanley@gmail.com> - 2017-11-24 18:20 +0100
                                Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2017-11-24 18:30 +0100
                                  Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Gary Roach <gary719_list1@verizon.net> - 2017-11-24 22:40 +0100
    Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> - 2017-11-21 22:50 +0100

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#189167 — software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc.

FromEmanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com>
Date2017-11-21 20:00 +0100
Subjectsoftware to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc.
Message-ID<uOlW3-6dw-45@gated-at.bofh.it>
What software is typically used to do outdoor
drawings with houses, gardens, etc.?

I know about Dia, Gimp, and such but was
wondering if there is specific software?

It can be either "kid style" when you drag and
drop items (as long as the proportions are
correct), or basically whatever tools
professionals and DIYers use.

The coolest interface would be a mixture of GUI
and CLI where you'd type what items and with
what proportions and properties you'd like, and
where, and then it would appear graphically on
screen just like that :)

-- 
underground experts united
http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573

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#189170

FromKent West <westk@acu.edu>
Date2017-11-21 22:50 +0100
Message-ID<uOoAx-7S2-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 11:05 PM, Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> wrote:

> What software is typically used to do outdoor
> drawings with houses, gardens, etc.?
>
> I know about Dia, Gimp, and such but was
> wondering if there is specific software?
>
> It can be either "kid style" when you drag and
> drop items (as long as the proportions are
> correct), or basically whatever tools
> professionals and DIYers use.
>
> The coolest interface would be a mixture of GUI
> and CLI where you'd type what items and with
> what proportions and properties you'd like, and
> where, and then it would appear graphically on
> screen just like that :)
>
> --
> underground experts united
> http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573
>
>

I've recently discovered sweethome3d, and have enjoyed designing a new
house for myself.

It locks up (hard!) my two-monitor Debian box, but works fine, albeit a bit
slowly, in a Debian VM on a MacBook (with SSD, not platter drive). It also
works fine on another Debian box, to which I can remote control via x11vnc
from my two-monitor Debian box.

Probably not professional-grade, but I've enjoyed tinkering with it.


-- 
Kent West                    <")))><
Westing Peacefully - http://kentwest.blogspot.com

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#189172

FromEmanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com>
Date2017-11-21 23:10 +0100
Message-ID<uOoTU-8dK-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#189170
Kent West wrote:

> I've recently discovered sweethome3d, and
> have enjoyed designing a new house
> for myself.

sweethome3d is in my repos but it says it is an
"interior" design application and what I need
is an "exterior" ditto :)

No sign of DraftSight tho so how would one
acquire and install that?

Besides if it is heavy on your boxes I don't
think it will even run here. Perhaps I should
just do ASCII art in Emacs...

-- 
underground experts united
http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573

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#189174

FromJoe <joe@jretrading.com>
Date2017-11-21 23:50 +0100
Message-ID<uOpwB-8ts-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#189172
On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 23:04:14 +0100
Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> wrote:

> Kent West wrote:
> 
> > I've recently discovered sweethome3d, and
> > have enjoyed designing a new house
> > for myself.  
> 
> sweethome3d is in my repos but it says it is an
> "interior" design application and what I need
> is an "exterior" ditto :)
> 
> No sign of DraftSight tho so how would one
> acquire and install that?
> 
> Besides if it is heavy on your boxes I don't
> think it will even run here. Perhaps I should
> just do ASCII art in Emacs...
> 

It looks to be a general-purpose CAD program, with no obvious
house/garden object library, so I wouldn't have thought it would be
much of an improvement over LibreCAD (formerly QCad).

I used to have a purpose-built house/garden design program, but this was
long ago, and was for Windows.

If you really need 3d, then you might try openSCAD, where you basically
write subroutines and the graphic bit renders them, not terribly
photorealistically. But there are lots of libraries for it, which may
include some useful garden stuff. You can probably also find garden
objects in 2d form in DXF files, which LibreCAD can deal with.

-- 
Joe

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#189175

FromEmanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com>
Date2017-11-22 00:10 +0100
Message-ID<uOpPX-or-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#189174
Joe wrote:

> It looks to be a general-purpose CAD program,
> with no obvious house/garden object library,
> so I wouldn't have thought it would be much
> of an improvement over LibreCAD (formerly
> QCad).

$ aptitude show librecad

LibreCAD is an application for computer aided
design (CAD) in two dimensions (2D).
With LibreCAD you can create technical drawings
such as plans for buildings, interiors,
mechanical parts or schematics and diagrams.

Yeah - sounds great!

-- 
underground experts united
http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573

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#189176

FromEmanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com>
Date2017-11-22 00:10 +0100
Message-ID<uOpPX-or-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#189174
Joe wrote:

> If you really need 3d, then you might try
> openSCAD, where you basically write
> subroutines and the graphic bit renders them,
> not terribly photorealistically. But there
> are lots of libraries for it, which may
> include some useful garden stuff. You can
> probably also find garden objects in 2d form
> in DXF files, which LibreCAD can deal with.

I'd like 2D, top down, big squares for the
buildings, with doors and windows, then fences,
trees etc. between them.

It doesn't have to look good in the
photorealistic sense - actually it is better it
just looks clean and to-the-point.

The purpose it to print it huge and put it on
a wall so people can learn what the different
houses are and can communicate efficiently with
things having names so it won't be "put it over
there... behind it... to your left... I mean
your *other* left" and so on...

-- 
underground experts united
http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573

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#189181

FromDoug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net>
Date2017-11-22 04:10 +0100
Message-ID<uOtAd-2ER-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#189172

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On 11/21/2017 05:04 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> Kent West wrote:
>
>> I've recently discovered sweethome3d, and
>> have enjoyed designing a new house
>> for myself.
> sweethome3d is in my repos but it says it is an
> "interior" design application and what I need
> is an "exterior" ditto :)
>
> No sign of DraftSight tho so how would one
> acquire and install that?
>
> Besides if it is heavy on your boxes I don't
> think it will even run here. Perhaps I should
> just do ASCII art in Emacs...
>
>

      CAD Software Free Download | DRAFTSIGHT^(TM) - Dassault Systèmes®
      <https://www.3ds.com/products-services/draftsight-cad-software/free-download/>

https://www.3ds.com/products-services/draftsight-cad-software/free-download/
February /2017/: This is a very critical hotfix. All customers who 
downloaded /DraftSight/ between 2012 to /2017/ must install this hotfix 
to avoid usage interruptions .

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#189185

FromAnil Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm>
Date2017-11-22 11:40 +0100
Message-ID<uOABH-6Xr-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#189181

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On Tue, Nov 21, 2017, at 10:02 PM, Doug wrote:
> 
> On 11/21/2017 05:04 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote:
>> Kent West wrote:

>>
>>> I've recently discovered sweethome3d, and have enjoyed designing a
>>> new house for myself.
>>>
>> sweethome3d is in my repos but it says it is an "interior" design
>> application and what I need is an "exterior" ditto :)  No sign of
>> DraftSight tho so how would one acquire and install that?  Besides if
>> it is heavy on your boxes I don't think it will even run here.
>> Perhaps I should just do ASCII art in Emacs...

>>> 
> CAD Software Free Download | DRAFTSIGHT™ - Dassault Systèmes®[1]


> https://www.3ds.com/products-services/draftsight-cad-software/free-download/> February *2017*: This is a very critical hotfix. All customers who
> downloaded *DraftSight* between 2012 to *2017* must install this
> hotfix to avoid usage interruptions .
DraftSight is proprietary software with various limitations. They only
provide a package for Ubuntu and Fedora, I would not attempt installing
that on Debian as is. Librecad or Qcad are the best options to my
knowledge.
Links:

  1. https://www.3ds.com/products-services/draftsight-cad-software/free-download/

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#189187

FromEmanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com>
Date2017-11-22 15:00 +0100
Message-ID<uODJf-mY-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#189185
Anil Duggirala wrote:

> Librecad or Qcad are the best options to
> my knowledge.

Both are in the repos as well.

-- 
underground experts united
http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573

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#189188

FromEmanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com>
Date2017-11-22 15:10 +0100
Message-ID<uODSV-Fj-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#189185
Anil Duggirala wrote:

> Librecad or Qcad are the best options to my
> knowledge.

QCad:

    QCad has been removed from wheezy for
    depending on qt3 and containing non-
    distributable fonts, patterns, libraries,
    and documentation.

    LibreCAD is the community-maintained qt4
    port of QCad and has superseded Qcad in
    Debian as the package "librecad".

-- 
underground experts united
http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573

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#189194

FromDoug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net>
Date2017-11-22 19:10 +0100
Message-ID<uOHDc-2WW-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On 11/22/2017 05:36 AM, Anil Duggirala wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017, at 10:02 PM, Doug wrote:
>>
>> On 11/21/2017 05:04 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote:
>>> Kent West wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I've recently discovered sweethome3d, and
>>>> have enjoyed designing a new house
>>>> for myself.
>>
>>
>>       CAD Software Free Download | DRAFTSIGHT™ - Dassault Systèmes®
>>       <https://www.3ds.com/products-services/draftsight-cad-software/free-download/>
>>
>> https://www.3ds.com/products-services/draftsight-cad-software/free-download/
>> February /2017/: This is a very critical hotfix. All customers who 
>> downloaded /DraftSight/ between 2012 to /2017/ must install this 
>> hotfix to avoid usage interruptions .
>
> DraftSight is proprietary software with various limitations. They only 
> provide a package for Ubuntu and Fedora, I would not attempt 
> installing that on Debian as is. Librecad or Qcad are the best options 
> to my knowledge.
The only limitation I know of is against using it for business. For home 
use, no problem. Install on PCLOS (rpm version) works. You must use "no 
deps" in the command, because it wants to
install some kind of sound, and PCLOS doesn't know what to do with that. 
If there is an Ubuntu version then it should certainly install in 
Debian, which INVENTED the .deb system. Try it--the
AutoCad commands may be useful if you ever get into a business situation 
where AutoCad is the primary 2D program. Of course, you CAN use it for 
business--you just have to buy it. It is
VERY MUCH cheaper than any version of AutoCad!

--doug (retired RF engineer)
1

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#189205

FromTom Furie <tom@furie.org.uk>
Date2017-11-22 21:40 +0100
Message-ID<uOJYl-4gV-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 01:01:57PM -0500, Doug wrote:

> install some kind of sound, and PCLOS doesn't know what to do with that. If
> there is an Ubuntu version then it should certainly install in Debian, which
> INVENTED the .deb system. Try it--the

The advice to not install an Ubuntu package on a Debian system is not
about any problem with the packaging system, it's about the differences
between the distributions.

Cheers,
Tom

-- 
Not for human consumption.

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#189216

FromEmanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com>
Date2017-11-23 02:10 +0100
Message-ID<uOObD-70g-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#189205
Librecad seems good and I got it working
instantly on a Debian box.

Only how do I draw a box and then change the
properties to specific side lengths?

For example, if I want to picture a building
that is rectangular (from above) with one side
10m and the other 5m?

I managed to make an approximate rectangle with
the "rectangle" tool but how do I bring up
properties so that I can assign the
exact values?

I made a search on Gmane (news.gmane.org) for
"librecad" but apparently no mailing list is
registered there. Also, on aioe (nntp.aioe.org)
there seems to be no Usenet group dedicated to
librecad. Now this speaks volumes.
Aren't people using it?

-- 
underground experts united
http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573

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#189220

From"hdv@gmail" <hdv.jadev@gmail.com>
Date2017-11-23 08:50 +0100
Message-ID<uOUqJ-2ts-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#189216
On 2017-11-23 02:05, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> Librecad seems good and I got it working
> instantly on a Debian box.
> 
> Only how do I draw a box and then change the
> properties to specific side lengths?
> 
> For example, if I want to picture a building
> that is rectangular (from above) with one side
> 10m and the other 5m?
> 
> I managed to make an approximate rectangle with
> the "rectangle" tool but how do I bring up
> properties so that I can assign the
> exact values?
> 
> I made a search on Gmane (news.gmane.org) for
> "librecad" but apparently no mailing list is
> registered there. Also, on aioe (nntp.aioe.org)
> there seems to be no Usenet group dedicated to
> librecad. Now this speaks volumes.
> Aren't people using it?
> 

This was one of the reasons I decided to change to QCAD. If even choose to pay
the € 33 for the Pro version. It works like a charm, has good documentation (I
can recommend the official e-book that can be bought separately), and in many
subtle ways is more user-friendly. My experience with their customer support and
the forum is very good as well. (No I don't have shares, I am just a happy
customer. ;-) )

If you think this type of software is what you need, then I would try out QCAD
instead of LibreCAD. I've been subscribed to their mailing list for almost a
year now and I don't think I've seen more than 3 messages on it. I might be
missing things, but I am inclined to think that LibreCAD is "dead".

Grx HdV

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#189222

FromAnil Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm>
Date2017-11-23 09:20 +0100
Message-ID<uOUTM-2TO-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#189220
> > For example, if I want to picture a building
> > that is rectangular (from above) with one side
> > 10m and the other 5m?
> > 
> > I managed to make an approximate rectangle with
> > the "rectangle" tool but how do I bring up
> > properties so that I can assign the
> > exact values?
> > 
> > I made a search on Gmane (news.gmane.org) for
> > "librecad" but apparently no mailing list is
> > registered there. Also, on aioe (nntp.aioe.org)
> > there seems to be no Usenet group dedicated to
> > librecad. Now this speaks volumes.
> > Aren't people using it?
> > 
> 
> This was one of the reasons I decided to change to QCAD. If even choose
> to pay
> the € 33 for the Pro version. It works like a charm, has good
> documentation (I
> can recommend the official e-book that can be bought separately), and in
> many
> subtle ways is more user-friendly. My experience with their customer
> support and
> the forum is very good as well. (No I don't have shares, I am just a
> happy
> customer. ;-) )
> 
> If you think this type of software is what you need, then I would try out
> QCAD
> instead of LibreCAD. I've been subscribed to their mailing list for
> almost a
> year now and I don't think I've seen more than 3 messages on it. I might
> be
> missing things, but I am inclined to think that LibreCAD is "dead".
> 
> Grx HdV
> 


Yes. QCad will provide more forthcoming help. 
Keep in mind the command line is your friend when modifying existing
objects.

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#189226

From"hdv@gmail" <hdv.jadev@gmail.com>
Date2017-11-23 12:50 +0100
Message-ID<uOYaZ-4Vu-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#189220
On 2017-11-23 09:08, Weaver wrote:

> I don't think you'll find LibreCad is `dead'.
> I think you'll find it just takes a little more than five minutes to get
> on top of a programme.
> The traffic on a mailing list is also no indication of usage or how
> `good' a package is.
> Traffic may well be low because of ease of use, for example.
> 
> Of course, if you're happy paying for your software, why don't you move
> straight to AutoCad?

Why the hostility? I didn't say LibreCAD is bad or even that is _was_ dead. I am
just inclined to think so based on my (admittedly limited) experience with it.

And concerning the use of FLOSS: you are barking up at the wrong tree. If been a
focal and active participant of the community since the early nineties. I also
sponsor lots of projects out of my own pocket. Can you say that?

Anyway, why the PM? I sent my answer to the list. Why don't you?

Grx HdV

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#189227

From<tomas@tuxteam.de>
Date2017-11-23 13:00 +0100
Message-ID<uOYkG-4YJ-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#189226
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On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 12:46:46PM +0100, hdv@gmail wrote:
> On 2017-11-23 09:08, Weaver wrote:
> 
> > I don't think you'll find LibreCad is `dead'.
> > I think you'll find it just takes a little more than five minutes to get
> > on top of a programme.
> > The traffic on a mailing list is also no indication of usage or how
> > `good' a package is.
> > Traffic may well be low because of ease of use, for example.
> > 
> > Of course, if you're happy paying for your software, why don't you move
> > straight to AutoCad?
> 
> Why the hostility? I didn't say LibreCAD is bad or even that is _was_ dead. I am
> just inclined to think so based on my (admittedly limited) experience with it.

Yes. To be fair, QCad is GPLV3, according to [1] -- I didn't look at
the sources, though. With proprietary plugins.

Now this is the "open core" [2] license model, which does have problems
of its own and has been criticized fot that (among other things, the
parent company has a financial interest in keeping the free core as
uncomfortable as possible to suck users into the proprietary extensions),
but that doesn't mean that *all* companies give in to this temptation.
On the contrary, there are really good examples of this model being put
to good use out there.

So be careful with criticism until you really have looked into how
those folks behave...

(No, I don't know how QCad scores here. Anyone willing to find out?)

All generalizations suck :-)

Cheers

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QCad
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_core
- -- tomás
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#189223

FromJoe <joe@jretrading.com>
Date2017-11-23 10:10 +0100
Message-ID<uOVGa-3ql-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#189216
On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 02:05:14 +0100
Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> wrote:

> Librecad seems good and I got it working
> instantly on a Debian box.
> 
> Only how do I draw a box and then change the
> properties to specific side lengths?
> 
> For example, if I want to picture a building
> that is rectangular (from above) with one side
> 10m and the other 5m?
> 
> I managed to make an approximate rectangle with
> the "rectangle" tool but how do I bring up
> properties so that I can assign the
> exact values?

The primitives such as rectangles are not objects as such, but
collections of lines. Lines can be extended and shortened, but it is
easier to draw the rectangle the right size to start with.

Watch the status bar for distances and angles from the last plotted
point. There is a toolbar icon to move the reference point without
drawing anything. There are scaling settings, which I never use as I
work to real sizes, but you will presumably need.

I use the snap selection toolbar heavily, which allows the kind of
snapping to be chosen: to ends of lines, gridlines and several others.
There are also switches to constrain movement to the vertical or the
horizontal. I normally use a guide layer, where I add useful lines to
make later constructions easier, this layer can be turned off except
when actually in use, and while visible, the snap tools work with
things on it.
> 
> I made a search on Gmane (news.gmane.org) for
> "librecad" but apparently no mailing list is
> registered there. Also, on aioe (nntp.aioe.org)
> there seems to be no Usenet group dedicated to
> librecad. Now this speaks volumes.
> Aren't people using it?
> 

Yes, though occasionally, not professionally. Any CAD is a bit
difficult to pick up, familiarity comes with time. I find this useful:
http://wiki.librecad.org/index.php/Main_Page

There's plenty of this kind of thing about:
https://flurry.dg.fmph.uniba.sk/webog/SuboryOG/bohdal/Librecad-%20by%20Jasleen_Kaur.pdf

Mr Google will answer many questions, and there's the odd YouTube
tutorial.

-- 
Joe

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#189229

FromDavid Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk>
Date2017-11-23 17:10 +0100
Message-ID<uP2eB-7Ba-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#189223
On Thu 23 Nov 2017 at 09:05:51 (+0000), Joe wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 02:05:14 +0100
> Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> wrote:
> 
> > Librecad seems good and I got it working
> > instantly on a Debian box.
> > 
> > Only how do I draw a box and then change the
> > properties to specific side lengths?
> > 
> > For example, if I want to picture a building
> > that is rectangular (from above) with one side
> > 10m and the other 5m?
> > 
> > I managed to make an approximate rectangle with
> > the "rectangle" tool but how do I bring up
> > properties so that I can assign the
> > exact values?
> 
> The primitives such as rectangles are not objects as such, but
> collections of lines. Lines can be extended and shortened, but it is
> easier to draw the rectangle the right size to start with.

Having spent two years watching our architects manipulate our house
on screen, this doesn't correspond with my experience of CAD.
We'd still have an empty yard if each rectangle had to be drawn
the right size.

Cheers,
David.

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#189230

FromJoe <joe@jretrading.com>
Date2017-11-23 18:10 +0100
Message-ID<uP3aH-8aZ-15@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#189229
On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 10:07:54 -0600
David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> wrote:

> On Thu 23 Nov 2017 at 09:05:51 (+0000), Joe wrote:
> > On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 02:05:14 +0100
> > Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> wrote:
> >   
> > > Librecad seems good and I got it working
> > > instantly on a Debian box.
> > > 
> > > Only how do I draw a box and then change the
> > > properties to specific side lengths?
> > > 
> > > For example, if I want to picture a building
> > > that is rectangular (from above) with one side
> > > 10m and the other 5m?
> > > 
> > > I managed to make an approximate rectangle with
> > > the "rectangle" tool but how do I bring up
> > > properties so that I can assign the
> > > exact values?  
> > 
> > The primitives such as rectangles are not objects as such, but
> > collections of lines. Lines can be extended and shortened, but it is
> > easier to draw the rectangle the right size to start with.  
> 
> Having spent two years watching our architects manipulate our house
> on screen, this doesn't correspond with my experience of CAD.
> We'd still have an empty yard if each rectangle had to be drawn
> the right size.
> 

No, you can do practically anything imaginable, but someone beginning
will be better off taking a few steps at a time. You can certainly
select multiple objects and scale them all together, but much of the
time that's not what you want to do, you want to scale some of it and
move the rest unscaled. You can also bring in complete blocks, or make
blocks out of existing primitives, and then work on the whole thing more
easily, but at the expense of fine control of the parts.

It's the same with anything with a fairly fearsome number of bells and
whistles, such as the GIMP, quite intimidating at first meeting with
that kind of software. Gradually you learn to do more, and to find
easier ways of doing things you're currently doing the hard way.

-- 
Joe

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