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| Started by | Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> |
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| First post | 2017-11-21 20:00 +0100 |
| Last post | 2017-11-21 22:50 +0100 |
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software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-11-21 20:00 +0100
Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Kent West <westk@acu.edu> - 2017-11-21 22:50 +0100
Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-11-21 23:10 +0100
Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2017-11-21 23:50 +0100
Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-11-22 00:10 +0100
Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-11-22 00:10 +0100
Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> - 2017-11-22 04:10 +0100
Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Anil Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2017-11-22 11:40 +0100
Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-11-22 15:00 +0100
Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-11-22 15:10 +0100
Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> - 2017-11-22 19:10 +0100
Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Tom Furie <tom@furie.org.uk> - 2017-11-22 21:40 +0100
Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-11-23 02:10 +0100
Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. "hdv@gmail" <hdv.jadev@gmail.com> - 2017-11-23 08:50 +0100
Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Anil Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2017-11-23 09:20 +0100
Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. "hdv@gmail" <hdv.jadev@gmail.com> - 2017-11-23 12:50 +0100
Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-11-23 13:00 +0100
Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2017-11-23 10:10 +0100
Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-11-23 17:10 +0100
Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2017-11-23 18:10 +0100
Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Cousin Stanley <cousinstanley@gmail.com> - 2017-11-23 13:50 +0100
Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-11-23 21:30 +0100
Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2017-11-23 22:30 +0100
Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-11-23 23:10 +0100
Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> - 2017-11-24 03:40 +0100
Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-11-24 03:50 +0100
Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-11-24 08:10 +0100
Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Anil Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2017-11-24 09:20 +0100
Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-11-24 09:30 +0100
Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-11-24 09:40 +0100
Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-11-24 09:50 +0100
Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-11-24 11:10 +0100
"Professional" [was: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc.] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-11-24 12:00 +0100
Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2017-11-28 05:40 +0100
Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2017-11-28 09:00 +0100
Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2017-11-28 13:20 +0100
Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-11-28 16:20 +0100
Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-11-28 22:00 +0100
Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2017-11-29 07:50 +0100
Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-11-28 22:10 +0100
Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. "Brian J. Oney" <brian.j.oney@googlemail.com> - 2017-11-28 09:10 +0100
Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-11-28 21:50 +0100
Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-11-23 23:40 +0100
Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-11-24 00:00 +0100
Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-11-24 00:30 +0100
Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-11-24 08:00 +0100
Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-11-24 11:20 +0100
Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Eduardo M KALINOWSKI <eduardo@kalinowski.com.br> - 2017-11-24 12:20 +0100
Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-11-24 13:00 +0100
Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Eduardo M KALINOWSKI <eduardo@kalinowski.com.br> - 2017-11-24 13:00 +0100
Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> - 2017-11-24 13:30 +0100
Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Eduardo M KALINOWSKI <eduardo@kalinowski.com.br> - 2017-11-24 17:10 +0100
Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Cousin Stanley <cousinstanley@gmail.com> - 2017-11-24 18:20 +0100
Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2017-11-24 18:30 +0100
Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Gary Roach <gary719_list1@verizon.net> - 2017-11-24 22:40 +0100
Re: software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. Doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> - 2017-11-21 22:50 +0100
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| From | Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> |
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| Date | 2017-11-21 20:00 +0100 |
| Subject | software to do drawings of houses, gardens, etc. |
| Message-ID | <uOlW3-6dw-45@gated-at.bofh.it> |
What software is typically used to do outdoor drawings with houses, gardens, etc.? I know about Dia, Gimp, and such but was wondering if there is specific software? It can be either "kid style" when you drag and drop items (as long as the proportions are correct), or basically whatever tools professionals and DIYers use. The coolest interface would be a mixture of GUI and CLI where you'd type what items and with what proportions and properties you'd like, and where, and then it would appear graphically on screen just like that :) -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573
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| From | Kent West <westk@acu.edu> |
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| Date | 2017-11-21 22:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <uOoAx-7S2-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #189167 |
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On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 11:05 PM, Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> wrote: > What software is typically used to do outdoor > drawings with houses, gardens, etc.? > > I know about Dia, Gimp, and such but was > wondering if there is specific software? > > It can be either "kid style" when you drag and > drop items (as long as the proportions are > correct), or basically whatever tools > professionals and DIYers use. > > The coolest interface would be a mixture of GUI > and CLI where you'd type what items and with > what proportions and properties you'd like, and > where, and then it would appear graphically on > screen just like that :) > > -- > underground experts united > http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 > > I've recently discovered sweethome3d, and have enjoyed designing a new house for myself. It locks up (hard!) my two-monitor Debian box, but works fine, albeit a bit slowly, in a Debian VM on a MacBook (with SSD, not platter drive). It also works fine on another Debian box, to which I can remote control via x11vnc from my two-monitor Debian box. Probably not professional-grade, but I've enjoyed tinkering with it. -- Kent West <")))>< Westing Peacefully - http://kentwest.blogspot.com
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| From | Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> |
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| Date | 2017-11-21 23:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <uOoTU-8dK-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #189170 |
Kent West wrote: > I've recently discovered sweethome3d, and > have enjoyed designing a new house > for myself. sweethome3d is in my repos but it says it is an "interior" design application and what I need is an "exterior" ditto :) No sign of DraftSight tho so how would one acquire and install that? Besides if it is heavy on your boxes I don't think it will even run here. Perhaps I should just do ASCII art in Emacs... -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573
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| From | Joe <joe@jretrading.com> |
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| Date | 2017-11-21 23:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <uOpwB-8ts-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #189172 |
On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 23:04:14 +0100 Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> wrote: > Kent West wrote: > > > I've recently discovered sweethome3d, and > > have enjoyed designing a new house > > for myself. > > sweethome3d is in my repos but it says it is an > "interior" design application and what I need > is an "exterior" ditto :) > > No sign of DraftSight tho so how would one > acquire and install that? > > Besides if it is heavy on your boxes I don't > think it will even run here. Perhaps I should > just do ASCII art in Emacs... > It looks to be a general-purpose CAD program, with no obvious house/garden object library, so I wouldn't have thought it would be much of an improvement over LibreCAD (formerly QCad). I used to have a purpose-built house/garden design program, but this was long ago, and was for Windows. If you really need 3d, then you might try openSCAD, where you basically write subroutines and the graphic bit renders them, not terribly photorealistically. But there are lots of libraries for it, which may include some useful garden stuff. You can probably also find garden objects in 2d form in DXF files, which LibreCAD can deal with. -- Joe
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| From | Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> |
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| Date | 2017-11-22 00:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <uOpPX-or-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #189174 |
Joe wrote: > It looks to be a general-purpose CAD program, > with no obvious house/garden object library, > so I wouldn't have thought it would be much > of an improvement over LibreCAD (formerly > QCad). $ aptitude show librecad LibreCAD is an application for computer aided design (CAD) in two dimensions (2D). With LibreCAD you can create technical drawings such as plans for buildings, interiors, mechanical parts or schematics and diagrams. Yeah - sounds great! -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573
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| From | Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> |
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| Date | 2017-11-22 00:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <uOpPX-or-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #189174 |
Joe wrote: > If you really need 3d, then you might try > openSCAD, where you basically write > subroutines and the graphic bit renders them, > not terribly photorealistically. But there > are lots of libraries for it, which may > include some useful garden stuff. You can > probably also find garden objects in 2d form > in DXF files, which LibreCAD can deal with. I'd like 2D, top down, big squares for the buildings, with doors and windows, then fences, trees etc. between them. It doesn't have to look good in the photorealistic sense - actually it is better it just looks clean and to-the-point. The purpose it to print it huge and put it on a wall so people can learn what the different houses are and can communicate efficiently with things having names so it won't be "put it over there... behind it... to your left... I mean your *other* left" and so on... -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573
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| From | Doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> |
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| Date | 2017-11-22 04:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <uOtAd-2ER-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #189172 |
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On 11/21/2017 05:04 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> Kent West wrote:
>
>> I've recently discovered sweethome3d, and
>> have enjoyed designing a new house
>> for myself.
> sweethome3d is in my repos but it says it is an
> "interior" design application and what I need
> is an "exterior" ditto :)
>
> No sign of DraftSight tho so how would one
> acquire and install that?
>
> Besides if it is heavy on your boxes I don't
> think it will even run here. Perhaps I should
> just do ASCII art in Emacs...
>
>
CAD Software Free Download | DRAFTSIGHT^(TM) - Dassault Systèmes®
<https://www.3ds.com/products-services/draftsight-cad-software/free-download/>
https://www.3ds.com/products-services/draftsight-cad-software/free-download/
February /2017/: This is a very critical hotfix. All customers who
downloaded /DraftSight/ between 2012 to /2017/ must install this hotfix
to avoid usage interruptions .
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| From | Anil Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> |
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| Date | 2017-11-22 11:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <uOABH-6Xr-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #189181 |
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On Tue, Nov 21, 2017, at 10:02 PM, Doug wrote: > > On 11/21/2017 05:04 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote: >> Kent West wrote: >> >>> I've recently discovered sweethome3d, and have enjoyed designing a >>> new house for myself. >>> >> sweethome3d is in my repos but it says it is an "interior" design >> application and what I need is an "exterior" ditto :) No sign of >> DraftSight tho so how would one acquire and install that? Besides if >> it is heavy on your boxes I don't think it will even run here. >> Perhaps I should just do ASCII art in Emacs... >>> > CAD Software Free Download | DRAFTSIGHT™ - Dassault Systèmes®[1] > https://www.3ds.com/products-services/draftsight-cad-software/free-download/> February *2017*: This is a very critical hotfix. All customers who > downloaded *DraftSight* between 2012 to *2017* must install this > hotfix to avoid usage interruptions . DraftSight is proprietary software with various limitations. They only provide a package for Ubuntu and Fedora, I would not attempt installing that on Debian as is. Librecad or Qcad are the best options to my knowledge. Links: 1. https://www.3ds.com/products-services/draftsight-cad-software/free-download/
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| From | Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> |
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| Date | 2017-11-22 15:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <uODJf-mY-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #189185 |
Anil Duggirala wrote: > Librecad or Qcad are the best options to > my knowledge. Both are in the repos as well. -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573
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| From | Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> |
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| Date | 2017-11-22 15:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <uODSV-Fj-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #189185 |
Anil Duggirala wrote:
> Librecad or Qcad are the best options to my
> knowledge.
QCad:
QCad has been removed from wheezy for
depending on qt3 and containing non-
distributable fonts, patterns, libraries,
and documentation.
LibreCAD is the community-maintained qt4
port of QCad and has superseded Qcad in
Debian as the package "librecad".
--
underground experts united
http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573
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| From | Doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> |
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| Date | 2017-11-22 19:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <uOHDc-2WW-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #189185 |
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On 11/22/2017 05:36 AM, Anil Duggirala wrote: > On Tue, Nov 21, 2017, at 10:02 PM, Doug wrote: >> >> On 11/21/2017 05:04 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote: >>> Kent West wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I've recently discovered sweethome3d, and >>>> have enjoyed designing a new house >>>> for myself. >> >> >> CAD Software Free Download | DRAFTSIGHT™ - Dassault Systèmes® >> <https://www.3ds.com/products-services/draftsight-cad-software/free-download/> >> >> https://www.3ds.com/products-services/draftsight-cad-software/free-download/ >> February /2017/: This is a very critical hotfix. All customers who >> downloaded /DraftSight/ between 2012 to /2017/ must install this >> hotfix to avoid usage interruptions . > > DraftSight is proprietary software with various limitations. They only > provide a package for Ubuntu and Fedora, I would not attempt > installing that on Debian as is. Librecad or Qcad are the best options > to my knowledge. The only limitation I know of is against using it for business. For home use, no problem. Install on PCLOS (rpm version) works. You must use "no deps" in the command, because it wants to install some kind of sound, and PCLOS doesn't know what to do with that. If there is an Ubuntu version then it should certainly install in Debian, which INVENTED the .deb system. Try it--the AutoCad commands may be useful if you ever get into a business situation where AutoCad is the primary 2D program. Of course, you CAN use it for business--you just have to buy it. It is VERY MUCH cheaper than any version of AutoCad! --doug (retired RF engineer) 1
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| From | Tom Furie <tom@furie.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2017-11-22 21:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <uOJYl-4gV-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #189194 |
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On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 01:01:57PM -0500, Doug wrote: > install some kind of sound, and PCLOS doesn't know what to do with that. If > there is an Ubuntu version then it should certainly install in Debian, which > INVENTED the .deb system. Try it--the The advice to not install an Ubuntu package on a Debian system is not about any problem with the packaging system, it's about the differences between the distributions. Cheers, Tom -- Not for human consumption.
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| From | Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> |
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| Date | 2017-11-23 02:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <uOObD-70g-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #189205 |
Librecad seems good and I got it working instantly on a Debian box. Only how do I draw a box and then change the properties to specific side lengths? For example, if I want to picture a building that is rectangular (from above) with one side 10m and the other 5m? I managed to make an approximate rectangle with the "rectangle" tool but how do I bring up properties so that I can assign the exact values? I made a search on Gmane (news.gmane.org) for "librecad" but apparently no mailing list is registered there. Also, on aioe (nntp.aioe.org) there seems to be no Usenet group dedicated to librecad. Now this speaks volumes. Aren't people using it? -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573
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| From | "hdv@gmail" <hdv.jadev@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-11-23 08:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <uOUqJ-2ts-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #189216 |
On 2017-11-23 02:05, Emanuel Berg wrote: > Librecad seems good and I got it working > instantly on a Debian box. > > Only how do I draw a box and then change the > properties to specific side lengths? > > For example, if I want to picture a building > that is rectangular (from above) with one side > 10m and the other 5m? > > I managed to make an approximate rectangle with > the "rectangle" tool but how do I bring up > properties so that I can assign the > exact values? > > I made a search on Gmane (news.gmane.org) for > "librecad" but apparently no mailing list is > registered there. Also, on aioe (nntp.aioe.org) > there seems to be no Usenet group dedicated to > librecad. Now this speaks volumes. > Aren't people using it? > This was one of the reasons I decided to change to QCAD. If even choose to pay the € 33 for the Pro version. It works like a charm, has good documentation (I can recommend the official e-book that can be bought separately), and in many subtle ways is more user-friendly. My experience with their customer support and the forum is very good as well. (No I don't have shares, I am just a happy customer. ;-) ) If you think this type of software is what you need, then I would try out QCAD instead of LibreCAD. I've been subscribed to their mailing list for almost a year now and I don't think I've seen more than 3 messages on it. I might be missing things, but I am inclined to think that LibreCAD is "dead". Grx HdV
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| From | Anil Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> |
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| Date | 2017-11-23 09:20 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <uOUTM-2TO-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #189220 |
> > For example, if I want to picture a building > > that is rectangular (from above) with one side > > 10m and the other 5m? > > > > I managed to make an approximate rectangle with > > the "rectangle" tool but how do I bring up > > properties so that I can assign the > > exact values? > > > > I made a search on Gmane (news.gmane.org) for > > "librecad" but apparently no mailing list is > > registered there. Also, on aioe (nntp.aioe.org) > > there seems to be no Usenet group dedicated to > > librecad. Now this speaks volumes. > > Aren't people using it? > > > > This was one of the reasons I decided to change to QCAD. If even choose > to pay > the € 33 for the Pro version. It works like a charm, has good > documentation (I > can recommend the official e-book that can be bought separately), and in > many > subtle ways is more user-friendly. My experience with their customer > support and > the forum is very good as well. (No I don't have shares, I am just a > happy > customer. ;-) ) > > If you think this type of software is what you need, then I would try out > QCAD > instead of LibreCAD. I've been subscribed to their mailing list for > almost a > year now and I don't think I've seen more than 3 messages on it. I might > be > missing things, but I am inclined to think that LibreCAD is "dead". > > Grx HdV > Yes. QCad will provide more forthcoming help. Keep in mind the command line is your friend when modifying existing objects.
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| From | "hdv@gmail" <hdv.jadev@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-11-23 12:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <uOYaZ-4Vu-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #189220 |
On 2017-11-23 09:08, Weaver wrote: > I don't think you'll find LibreCad is `dead'. > I think you'll find it just takes a little more than five minutes to get > on top of a programme. > The traffic on a mailing list is also no indication of usage or how > `good' a package is. > Traffic may well be low because of ease of use, for example. > > Of course, if you're happy paying for your software, why don't you move > straight to AutoCad? Why the hostility? I didn't say LibreCAD is bad or even that is _was_ dead. I am just inclined to think so based on my (admittedly limited) experience with it. And concerning the use of FLOSS: you are barking up at the wrong tree. If been a focal and active participant of the community since the early nineties. I also sponsor lots of projects out of my own pocket. Can you say that? Anyway, why the PM? I sent my answer to the list. Why don't you? Grx HdV
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2017-11-23 13:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <uOYkG-4YJ-13@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #189226 |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 12:46:46PM +0100, hdv@gmail wrote: > On 2017-11-23 09:08, Weaver wrote: > > > I don't think you'll find LibreCad is `dead'. > > I think you'll find it just takes a little more than five minutes to get > > on top of a programme. > > The traffic on a mailing list is also no indication of usage or how > > `good' a package is. > > Traffic may well be low because of ease of use, for example. > > > > Of course, if you're happy paying for your software, why don't you move > > straight to AutoCad? > > Why the hostility? I didn't say LibreCAD is bad or even that is _was_ dead. I am > just inclined to think so based on my (admittedly limited) experience with it. Yes. To be fair, QCad is GPLV3, according to [1] -- I didn't look at the sources, though. With proprietary plugins. Now this is the "open core" [2] license model, which does have problems of its own and has been criticized fot that (among other things, the parent company has a financial interest in keeping the free core as uncomfortable as possible to suck users into the proprietary extensions), but that doesn't mean that *all* companies give in to this temptation. On the contrary, there are really good examples of this model being put to good use out there. So be careful with criticism until you really have looked into how those folks behave... (No, I don't know how QCad scores here. Anyone willing to find out?) All generalizations suck :-) Cheers [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QCad [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_core - -- tomás -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAloWt64ACgkQBcgs9XrR2kbB0gCcDiYT5nvKj4WZZ7LlraMdotk8 e4MAn0r7Z/1Nm0Tt+jco1HCzXUt1OwqQ =ZTBd -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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| From | Joe <joe@jretrading.com> |
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| Date | 2017-11-23 10:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <uOVGa-3ql-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #189216 |
On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 02:05:14 +0100 Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> wrote: > Librecad seems good and I got it working > instantly on a Debian box. > > Only how do I draw a box and then change the > properties to specific side lengths? > > For example, if I want to picture a building > that is rectangular (from above) with one side > 10m and the other 5m? > > I managed to make an approximate rectangle with > the "rectangle" tool but how do I bring up > properties so that I can assign the > exact values? The primitives such as rectangles are not objects as such, but collections of lines. Lines can be extended and shortened, but it is easier to draw the rectangle the right size to start with. Watch the status bar for distances and angles from the last plotted point. There is a toolbar icon to move the reference point without drawing anything. There are scaling settings, which I never use as I work to real sizes, but you will presumably need. I use the snap selection toolbar heavily, which allows the kind of snapping to be chosen: to ends of lines, gridlines and several others. There are also switches to constrain movement to the vertical or the horizontal. I normally use a guide layer, where I add useful lines to make later constructions easier, this layer can be turned off except when actually in use, and while visible, the snap tools work with things on it. > > I made a search on Gmane (news.gmane.org) for > "librecad" but apparently no mailing list is > registered there. Also, on aioe (nntp.aioe.org) > there seems to be no Usenet group dedicated to > librecad. Now this speaks volumes. > Aren't people using it? > Yes, though occasionally, not professionally. Any CAD is a bit difficult to pick up, familiarity comes with time. I find this useful: http://wiki.librecad.org/index.php/Main_Page There's plenty of this kind of thing about: https://flurry.dg.fmph.uniba.sk/webog/SuboryOG/bohdal/Librecad-%20by%20Jasleen_Kaur.pdf Mr Google will answer many questions, and there's the odd YouTube tutorial. -- Joe
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| From | David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2017-11-23 17:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <uP2eB-7Ba-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #189223 |
On Thu 23 Nov 2017 at 09:05:51 (+0000), Joe wrote: > On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 02:05:14 +0100 > Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> wrote: > > > Librecad seems good and I got it working > > instantly on a Debian box. > > > > Only how do I draw a box and then change the > > properties to specific side lengths? > > > > For example, if I want to picture a building > > that is rectangular (from above) with one side > > 10m and the other 5m? > > > > I managed to make an approximate rectangle with > > the "rectangle" tool but how do I bring up > > properties so that I can assign the > > exact values? > > The primitives such as rectangles are not objects as such, but > collections of lines. Lines can be extended and shortened, but it is > easier to draw the rectangle the right size to start with. Having spent two years watching our architects manipulate our house on screen, this doesn't correspond with my experience of CAD. We'd still have an empty yard if each rectangle had to be drawn the right size. Cheers, David.
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| From | Joe <joe@jretrading.com> |
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| Date | 2017-11-23 18:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <uP3aH-8aZ-15@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #189229 |
On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 10:07:54 -0600 David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> wrote: > On Thu 23 Nov 2017 at 09:05:51 (+0000), Joe wrote: > > On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 02:05:14 +0100 > > Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> wrote: > > > > > Librecad seems good and I got it working > > > instantly on a Debian box. > > > > > > Only how do I draw a box and then change the > > > properties to specific side lengths? > > > > > > For example, if I want to picture a building > > > that is rectangular (from above) with one side > > > 10m and the other 5m? > > > > > > I managed to make an approximate rectangle with > > > the "rectangle" tool but how do I bring up > > > properties so that I can assign the > > > exact values? > > > > The primitives such as rectangles are not objects as such, but > > collections of lines. Lines can be extended and shortened, but it is > > easier to draw the rectangle the right size to start with. > > Having spent two years watching our architects manipulate our house > on screen, this doesn't correspond with my experience of CAD. > We'd still have an empty yard if each rectangle had to be drawn > the right size. > No, you can do practically anything imaginable, but someone beginning will be better off taking a few steps at a time. You can certainly select multiple objects and scale them all together, but much of the time that's not what you want to do, you want to scale some of it and move the rest unscaled. You can also bring in complete blocks, or make blocks out of existing primitives, and then work on the whole thing more easily, but at the expense of fine control of the parts. It's the same with anything with a fairly fearsome number of bells and whistles, such as the GIMP, quite intimidating at first meeting with that kind of software. Gradually you learn to do more, and to find easier ways of doing things you're currently doing the hard way. -- Joe
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