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  LXDE panel disappeared A_Man_Without_Clue <love.chaser@gmail.com> - 2017-10-15 01:40 +0200
    Re: LXDE panel disappeared A_Man_Without_Clue <love.chaser@gmail.com> - 2017-10-15 12:00 +0200
      Re: LXDE panel disappeared A_Man_Without_Clue <love.chaser@gmail.com> - 2017-10-15 12:20 +0200
        Re: LXDE panel disappeared Cindy-Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2017-10-15 17:00 +0200
          Re: LXDE panel disappeared A_Man_Without_Clue <love.chaser@gmail.com> - 2017-10-15 17:10 +0200
            Re: LXDE panel disappeared A_Man_Without_Clue <love.chaser@gmail.com> - 2017-10-20 12:40 +0200
              Re: LXDE panel disappeared Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2017-10-20 18:30 +0200
                Re: LXDE panel disappeared A_Man_Without_Clue <love.chaser@gmail.com> - 2017-10-21 03:20 +0200
                  Re: LXDE panel disappeared Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2017-10-21 04:00 +0200
                FOLLOWUP Re: LXDE panel disappeared Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2017-10-21 03:50 +0200
                  Re: FOLLOWUP Re: LXDE panel disappeared A_Man_Without_Clue <love.chaser@gmail.com> - 2017-10-21 15:00 +0200
                    Re: FOLLOWUP Re: LXDE panel disappeared Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2017-10-21 19:10 +0200

#187896 — LXDE panel disappeared

Hi all,

I have been running Debian Stretch with LXDE for about 1 week.

I turned on the PC this morning and and found out that the main LXDE
panel at bottom (default panel) is gone.

I had added additional panel at the side with few icons and also had
changed the back ground image. I  didn't do anything fancy other than that.

The newly added panel was displayed but was missing some icons, only
showing default desktop PC looking icons. I rebooted to PC to see if it
would make differences. All icons on the newly added panel came back but
the bottom menu panel is still missing.

What went wrong and why?
How can I get the bottom panel?

A.M.W.C.

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#187903

On 10/15/2017 08:32 AM, A_Man_Without_Clue wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I have been running Debian Stretch with LXDE for about 1 week.
> 
> I turned on the PC this morning and and found out that the main LXDE
> panel at bottom (default panel) is gone.
> 
> I had added additional panel at the side with few icons and also had
> changed the back ground image. I  didn't do anything fancy other than that.
> 
> The newly added panel was displayed but was missing some icons, only
> showing default desktop PC looking icons. I rebooted to PC to see if it
> would make differences. All icons on the newly added panel came back but
> the bottom menu panel is still missing.
> 
> What went wrong and why?
> How can I get the bottom panel?
> 
> A.M.W.C.
> 


I gave up.

What I did was I deleted my account and added myself again.

But it's good to know how to restore the default settings if there is
the way.

Thanks.

Man without patience

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#187904

On 10/15/2017 06:57 PM, A_Man_Without_Clue wrote:
> 
> 
> On 10/15/2017 08:32 AM, A_Man_Without_Clue wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have been running Debian Stretch with LXDE for about 1 week.
>>
>> I turned on the PC this morning and and found out that the main LXDE
>> panel at bottom (default panel) is gone.
>>
>> I had added additional panel at the side with few icons and also had
>> changed the back ground image. I  didn't do anything fancy other than that.
>>
>> The newly added panel was displayed but was missing some icons, only
>> showing default desktop PC looking icons. I rebooted to PC to see if it
>> would make differences. All icons on the newly added panel came back but
>> the bottom menu panel is still missing.
>>
>> What went wrong and why?
>> How can I get the bottom panel?
>>
>> A.M.W.C.
>>
> 
> 
> I gave up.
> 
> What I did was I deleted my account and added myself again.
> 
> But it's good to know how to restore the default settings if there is
> the way.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Man without patience
> 



I don't believe this....

Same thing happened again to newly created account....
I don't know what caused this. I did same thing. Added new side panel,
and changed background image....

Clueless now.

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#187905

On 10/15/17, A_Man_Without_Clue <love.chaser@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 10/15/2017 06:57 PM, A_Man_Without_Clue wrote:
>> On 10/15/2017 08:32 AM, A_Man_Without_Clue wrote:
>>>
>>> I have been running Debian Stretch with LXDE for about 1 week.
>>>
>>> I turned on the PC this morning and and found out that the main LXDE
>>> panel at bottom (default panel) is gone.
>>>
>>> I had added additional panel at the side with few icons and also had
>>> changed the back ground image. I  didn't do anything fancy other than
>>> that.
>>>
>>> The newly added panel was displayed but was missing some icons, only
>>> showing default desktop PC looking icons. I rebooted to PC to see if it
>>> would make differences. All icons on the newly added panel came back but
>>> the bottom menu panel is still missing.
>>>
>>> What went wrong and why?
>>> How can I get the bottom panel?
>>
>>
>> I gave up.
>>
>> What I did was I deleted my account and added myself again.
>>
>> But it's good to know how to restore the default settings if there is
>> the way.
>
>
> I don't believe this....
>
> Same thing happened again to newly created account....
> I don't know what caused this. I did same thing. Added new side panel,
> and changed background image....
>
> Clueless now.


The only thing I can think of is... did you try running your cursor
(mouse pointer) all the way off the screen in the area where that
panel usually sits? That would rule out that it's somehow being
toggled into that hide-n-seek feature that those have..

A quick search looking for possible keyboard shortcuts (to hide and
show our panels) reminded me that you could try ALT+F1 to see if that
brings up your Applications menu or at least something similar.
Disclaimer is that might not be an LXDE shortcut, but it *is* one for
XFCE4. I like to think something nice and helpful like that is
*universal*. :)

If ALT+F1 works, it would tell you if your panel is still there or
not, anyway. If that doesn't work, maybe another Internet search will
reveal a keyboard key combination special to LXDE that you could try..

You could also try "ps aux | grep panel" and/or "ps aux | grep
lxpanel", too. That might help show if the panel is even active. As an
example for mine just now, "grep panel" brought up "xfce4-panel". If
anyone knows a different grep [variable/value] would instead be
reflected for LXDE's panel(s) in that output, please help share..

I had an experience like this a long time ago, but can't remember
what. I do remember fighting it for a very frustrated extended period
of time, though. If that experience comes back to mind, I'll come back
and add to this...

Cindy :)
-- 
Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA

* runs.. in circles occasionally *

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#187906

On 10/15/2017 11:55 PM, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote:
> On 10/15/17, A_Man_Without_Clue <love.chaser@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 10/15/2017 06:57 PM, A_Man_Without_Clue wrote:
>>> On 10/15/2017 08:32 AM, A_Man_Without_Clue wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I have been running Debian Stretch with LXDE for about 1 week.
>>>>
>>>> I turned on the PC this morning and and found out that the main LXDE
>>>> panel at bottom (default panel) is gone.
>>>>
>>>> I had added additional panel at the side with few icons and also had
>>>> changed the back ground image. I  didn't do anything fancy other than
>>>> that.
>>>>
>>>> The newly added panel was displayed but was missing some icons, only
>>>> showing default desktop PC looking icons. I rebooted to PC to see if it
>>>> would make differences. All icons on the newly added panel came back but
>>>> the bottom menu panel is still missing.
>>>>
>>>> What went wrong and why?
>>>> How can I get the bottom panel?
>>>
>>>
>>> I gave up.
>>>
>>> What I did was I deleted my account and added myself again.
>>>
>>> But it's good to know how to restore the default settings if there is
>>> the way.
>>
>>
>> I don't believe this....
>>
>> Same thing happened again to newly created account....
>> I don't know what caused this. I did same thing. Added new side panel,
>> and changed background image....
>>
>> Clueless now.
> 
> 
> The only thing I can think of is... did you try running your cursor
> (mouse pointer) all the way off the screen in the area where that
> panel usually sits? That would rule out that it's somehow being
> toggled into that hide-n-seek feature that those have..
> 
> A quick search looking for possible keyboard shortcuts (to hide and
> show our panels) reminded me that you could try ALT+F1 to see if that
> brings up your Applications menu or at least something similar.
> Disclaimer is that might not be an LXDE shortcut, but it *is* one for
> XFCE4. I like to think something nice and helpful like that is
> *universal*. :)
> 
> If ALT+F1 works, it would tell you if your panel is still there or
> not, anyway. If that doesn't work, maybe another Internet search will
> reveal a keyboard key combination special to LXDE that you could try..
> 
> You could also try "ps aux | grep panel" and/or "ps aux | grep
> lxpanel", too. That might help show if the panel is even active. As an
> example for mine just now, "grep panel" brought up "xfce4-panel". If
> anyone knows a different grep [variable/value] would instead be
> reflected for LXDE's panel(s) in that output, please help share..
> 
> I had an experience like this a long time ago, but can't remember
> what. I do remember fighting it for a very frustrated extended period
> of time, though. If that experience comes back to mind, I'll come back
> and add to this...
> 
> Cindy :)
> 


Thank you for your input.
No, it wasn't minimizing feature of the panel. The panel was completely
gone.
Alt + F1 brings the menu on the LXDE but I did not try that.

What I have found out is that if I add the panel in addition to default
one, the default panel disappears after reboot. Some icons on the newly
added panel also disappears. AND I can not delete the newly added panel.

What I had to do is that I had to re-create my account, this time not to
mess with desktop panel.
This never happened on Jessie, Wheezy and Squeeze.

Very frustrating because I like to use additional panel on desk top.

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#188119

On 10/16/2017 12:03 AM, A_Man_Without_Clue wrote:
> 
> 
> On 10/15/2017 11:55 PM, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote:
>> On 10/15/17, A_Man_Without_Clue <love.chaser@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 10/15/2017 06:57 PM, A_Man_Without_Clue wrote:
>>>> On 10/15/2017 08:32 AM, A_Man_Without_Clue wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I have been running Debian Stretch with LXDE for about 1 week.
>>>>>
>>>>> I turned on the PC this morning and and found out that the main LXDE
>>>>> panel at bottom (default panel) is gone.
>>>>>
>>>>> I had added additional panel at the side with few icons and also had
>>>>> changed the back ground image. I  didn't do anything fancy other than
>>>>> that.
>>>>>
>>>>> The newly added panel was displayed but was missing some icons, only
>>>>> showing default desktop PC looking icons. I rebooted to PC to see if it
>>>>> would make differences. All icons on the newly added panel came back but
>>>>> the bottom menu panel is still missing.
>>>>>
>>>>> What went wrong and why?
>>>>> How can I get the bottom panel?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I gave up.
>>>>
>>>> What I did was I deleted my account and added myself again.
>>>>
>>>> But it's good to know how to restore the default settings if there is
>>>> the way.
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't believe this....
>>>
>>> Same thing happened again to newly created account....
>>> I don't know what caused this. I did same thing. Added new side panel,
>>> and changed background image....
>>>
>>> Clueless now.
>>
>>
>> The only thing I can think of is... did you try running your cursor
>> (mouse pointer) all the way off the screen in the area where that
>> panel usually sits? That would rule out that it's somehow being
>> toggled into that hide-n-seek feature that those have..
>>
>> A quick search looking for possible keyboard shortcuts (to hide and
>> show our panels) reminded me that you could try ALT+F1 to see if that
>> brings up your Applications menu or at least something similar.
>> Disclaimer is that might not be an LXDE shortcut, but it *is* one for
>> XFCE4. I like to think something nice and helpful like that is
>> *universal*. :)
>>
>> If ALT+F1 works, it would tell you if your panel is still there or
>> not, anyway. If that doesn't work, maybe another Internet search will
>> reveal a keyboard key combination special to LXDE that you could try..
>>
>> You could also try "ps aux | grep panel" and/or "ps aux | grep
>> lxpanel", too. That might help show if the panel is even active. As an
>> example for mine just now, "grep panel" brought up "xfce4-panel". If
>> anyone knows a different grep [variable/value] would instead be
>> reflected for LXDE's panel(s) in that output, please help share..
>>
>> I had an experience like this a long time ago, but can't remember
>> what. I do remember fighting it for a very frustrated extended period
>> of time, though. If that experience comes back to mind, I'll come back
>> and add to this...
>>
>> Cindy :)
>>
> 
> 
> Thank you for your input.
> No, it wasn't minimizing feature of the panel. The panel was completely
> gone.
> Alt + F1 brings the menu on the LXDE but I did not try that.
> 
> What I have found out is that if I add the panel in addition to default
> one, the default panel disappears after reboot. Some icons on the newly
> added panel also disappears. AND I can not delete the newly added panel.
> 
> What I had to do is that I had to re-create my account, this time not to
> mess with desktop panel.
> This never happened on Jessie, Wheezy and Squeeze.
> 
> Very frustrating because I like to use additional panel on desk top.
> 

I just tried other newly installed Stretch. Same problem. I guess this
is Debian Stretch specific problem.

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#188128

On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 19:31:14 +0900 A_Man_Without_Clue
<love.chaser@gmail.com> wrote:

> 
> 
> On 10/16/2017 12:03 AM, A_Man_Without_Clue wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >  [big snip]
> > 
> > Thank you for your input.
> > No, it wasn't minimizing feature of the panel. The panel was
> > completely gone.
> > Alt + F1 brings the menu on the LXDE but I did not try that.
> > 
> > What I have found out is that if I add the panel in addition to
> > default one, the default panel disappears after reboot. Some icons
> > on the newly added panel also disappears. AND I can not delete the
> > newly added panel.
> > 
> > What I had to do is that I had to re-create my account, this time
> > not to mess with desktop panel.
> > This never happened on Jessie, Wheezy and Squeeze.
> > 
> > Very frustrating because I like to use additional panel on desk top.
> > 
> 
> I just tried other newly installed Stretch. Same problem. I guess this
> is Debian Stretch specific problem.

Have you checked LXDE's site for this problem or posted a query about
it to their mailing list, etc?

I've been testing Stretch 64-bit in VirtualBox, but only with Openbox,
LXDE's default window manager, that is, no desktop environment
installed, and I don't experience this problem.

Check in your user home directory for .config/lxpanel/default/panels
and see what's listed.

FYI:  I'm using sysvinit as init for this test install, but have not
removed any systemd stuff.  Could make a difference.  Who knows?

B

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#188141

On 10/21/2017 01:28 AM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 19:31:14 +0900 A_Man_Without_Clue
> <love.chaser@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>
>>
>> On 10/16/2017 12:03 AM, A_Man_Without_Clue wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>  [big snip]
>>>
>>> Thank you for your input.
>>> No, it wasn't minimizing feature of the panel. The panel was
>>> completely gone.
>>> Alt + F1 brings the menu on the LXDE but I did not try that.
>>>
>>> What I have found out is that if I add the panel in addition to
>>> default one, the default panel disappears after reboot. Some icons
>>> on the newly added panel also disappears. AND I can not delete the
>>> newly added panel.
>>>
>>> What I had to do is that I had to re-create my account, this time
>>> not to mess with desktop panel.
>>> This never happened on Jessie, Wheezy and Squeeze.
>>>
>>> Very frustrating because I like to use additional panel on desk top.
>>>
>>
>> I just tried other newly installed Stretch. Same problem. I guess this
>> is Debian Stretch specific problem.
> 
> Have you checked LXDE's site for this problem or posted a query about
> it to their mailing list, etc?
> 
> I've been testing Stretch 64-bit in VirtualBox, but only with Openbox,
> LXDE's default window manager, that is, no desktop environment
> installed, and I don't experience this problem.
> 
> Check in your user home directory for .config/lxpanel/default/panels
> and see what's listed.
> 
> FYI:  I'm using sysvinit as init for this test install, but have not
> removed any systemd stuff.  Could make a difference.  Who knows?
> 
> B
> 

I have posted in LXDE forum as well but I haven't got any useful response.

I don't see .config/lxpanel/default/panels
All I got is

/.config/lxpanel/LXDE/panels

and I really don't know what to look for.

M.W.C.

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#188143

On Sat, 21 Oct 2017 10:18:25 +0900 A_Man_Without_Clue
<love.chaser@gmail.com> wrote:

> 
> 
> On 10/21/2017 01:28 AM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 19:31:14 +0900 A_Man_Without_Clue
> > <love.chaser@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> >>
> >>
> >> On 10/16/2017 12:03 AM, A_Man_Without_Clue wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  [big snip]
> >>>
> >>> Thank you for your input.
> >>> No, it wasn't minimizing feature of the panel. The panel was
> >>> completely gone.
> >>> Alt + F1 brings the menu on the LXDE but I did not try that.
> >>>
> >>> What I have found out is that if I add the panel in addition to
> >>> default one, the default panel disappears after reboot. Some icons
> >>> on the newly added panel also disappears. AND I can not delete the
> >>> newly added panel.
> >>>
> >>> What I had to do is that I had to re-create my account, this time
> >>> not to mess with desktop panel.
> >>> This never happened on Jessie, Wheezy and Squeeze.
> >>>
> >>> Very frustrating because I like to use additional panel on desk
> >>> top.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I just tried other newly installed Stretch. Same problem. I guess
> >> this is Debian Stretch specific problem.
> > 
> > Have you checked LXDE's site for this problem or posted a query
> > about it to their mailing list, etc?
> > 
> > I've been testing Stretch 64-bit in VirtualBox, but only with
> > Openbox, LXDE's default window manager, that is, no desktop
> > environment installed, and I don't experience this problem.
> > 
> > Check in your user home directory for .config/lxpanel/default/panels
> > and see what's listed.
> > 
> > FYI:  I'm using sysvinit as init for this test install, but have not
> > removed any systemd stuff.  Could make a difference.  Who knows?
> > 
> > B
> > 
> 
> I have posted in LXDE forum as well but I haven't got any useful
> response.
> 
> I don't see .config/lxpanel/default/panels
> All I got is
> 
> /.config/lxpanel/LXDE/panels

There's no prepended /.  .config is a hidden directory in your user's
home directory.  Since I'm not running LXDE and you are, that's
explains the difference.  But there should be configuration files
there for each running panel.

> and I really don't know what to look for.

Read my FOLLOWUP post for what transpired after my initial reply to
your post.

B

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#188142 — FOLLOWUP Re: LXDE panel disappeared

On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 09:28:00 -0700 Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 19:31:14 +0900 A_Man_Without_Clue
> <love.chaser@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > On 10/16/2017 12:03 AM, A_Man_Without_Clue wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  [big snip]
> > > 
> > > Thank you for your input.
> > > No, it wasn't minimizing feature of the panel. The panel was
> > > completely gone.
> > > Alt + F1 brings the menu on the LXDE but I did not try that.
> > > 
> > > What I have found out is that if I add the panel in addition to
> > > default one, the default panel disappears after reboot. Some icons
> > > on the newly added panel also disappears. AND I can not delete the
> > > newly added panel.
> > > 
> > > What I had to do is that I had to re-create my account, this time
> > > not to mess with desktop panel.
> > > This never happened on Jessie, Wheezy and Squeeze.
> > > 
> > > Very frustrating because I like to use additional panel on desk
> > > top.
> > > 
> > 
> > I just tried other newly installed Stretch. Same problem. I guess
> > this is Debian Stretch specific problem.
> 
> Have you checked LXDE's site for this problem or posted a query about
> it to their mailing list, etc?
> 
> I've been testing Stretch 64-bit in VirtualBox, but only with Openbox,
> LXDE's default window manager, that is, no desktop environment
> installed, and I don't experience this problem.
> 
> Check in your user home directory for .config/lxpanel/default/panels
> and see what's listed.
> 
> FYI:  I'm using sysvinit as init for this test install, but have not
> removed any systemd stuff.  Could make a difference.  Who knows?
> 
> B

After adding an lxpanel in addition to the default one I already had,
configured it, added applets, etc, rebooted, all worked fine.
However, when I deleted the added panel, it along with the default one
vanished. But when I "exited" Openbox to a terminal and ran
startx, Openbox along with the default panel came back.  However, since
I only run Openbox and not a desktop, to have lxpanel start when
Openbox does, I must run 'lxpanel &' it in a file 'autostart'
in .conf/openbox/ in my home directory.  Maybe, you doing the same
thing might be a fix for your problem.

B

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#188167 — Re: FOLLOWUP Re: LXDE panel disappeared

On 10/21/2017 10:46 AM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 09:28:00 -0700 Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 19:31:14 +0900 A_Man_Without_Clue
>> <love.chaser@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/16/2017 12:03 AM, A_Man_Without_Clue wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  [big snip]
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for your input.
>>>> No, it wasn't minimizing feature of the panel. The panel was
>>>> completely gone.
>>>> Alt + F1 brings the menu on the LXDE but I did not try that.
>>>>
>>>> What I have found out is that if I add the panel in addition to
>>>> default one, the default panel disappears after reboot. Some icons
>>>> on the newly added panel also disappears. AND I can not delete the
>>>> newly added panel.
>>>>
>>>> What I had to do is that I had to re-create my account, this time
>>>> not to mess with desktop panel.
>>>> This never happened on Jessie, Wheezy and Squeeze.
>>>>
>>>> Very frustrating because I like to use additional panel on desk
>>>> top.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I just tried other newly installed Stretch. Same problem. I guess
>>> this is Debian Stretch specific problem.
>>
>> Have you checked LXDE's site for this problem or posted a query about
>> it to their mailing list, etc?
>>
>> I've been testing Stretch 64-bit in VirtualBox, but only with Openbox,
>> LXDE's default window manager, that is, no desktop environment
>> installed, and I don't experience this problem.
>>
>> Check in your user home directory for .config/lxpanel/default/panels
>> and see what's listed.
>>
>> FYI:  I'm using sysvinit as init for this test install, but have not
>> removed any systemd stuff.  Could make a difference.  Who knows?
>>
>> B
> 
> After adding an lxpanel in addition to the default one I already had,
> configured it, added applets, etc, rebooted, all worked fine.
> However, when I deleted the added panel, it along with the default one
> vanished. But when I "exited" Openbox to a terminal and ran
> startx, Openbox along with the default panel came back.  However, since
> I only run Openbox and not a desktop, to have lxpanel start when
> Openbox does, I must run 'lxpanel &' it in a file 'autostart'
> in .conf/openbox/ in my home directory.  Maybe, you doing the same
> thing might be a fix for your problem.
> 
> B
> 


OK, I did experiment something.

What I did was I copied /.config/lxpanel/LXDE/panels from working Jessie
machine to Stretch.

AND the result was success!

The one in Wheezy has panel and left files under "panels" but on
Stretch, there is only "panel" file.


For some reason LXDE fails to create these panel files correctly and
messes up. I don't know the mechanism of this process but something is
not working right.

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#188173 — Re: FOLLOWUP Re: LXDE panel disappeared

On Sat, 21 Oct 2017 21:51:12 +0900 A_Man_Without_Clue
<love.chaser@gmail.com> wrote:

> 
> 
> On 10/21/2017 10:46 AM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 09:28:00 -0700 Patrick Bartek
> > <nemommxiv@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 19:31:14 +0900 A_Man_Without_Clue
> >> <love.chaser@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 10/16/2017 12:03 AM, A_Man_Without_Clue wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>  [big snip]
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you for your input.
> >>>> No, it wasn't minimizing feature of the panel. The panel was
> >>>> completely gone.
> >>>> Alt + F1 brings the menu on the LXDE but I did not try that.
> >>>>
> >>>> What I have found out is that if I add the panel in addition to
> >>>> default one, the default panel disappears after reboot. Some
> >>>> icons on the newly added panel also disappears. AND I can not
> >>>> delete the newly added panel.
> >>>>
> >>>> What I had to do is that I had to re-create my account, this time
> >>>> not to mess with desktop panel.
> >>>> This never happened on Jessie, Wheezy and Squeeze.
> >>>>
> >>>> Very frustrating because I like to use additional panel on desk
> >>>> top.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> I just tried other newly installed Stretch. Same problem. I guess
> >>> this is Debian Stretch specific problem.
> >>
> >> Have you checked LXDE's site for this problem or posted a query
> >> about it to their mailing list, etc?
> >>
> >> I've been testing Stretch 64-bit in VirtualBox, but only with
> >> Openbox, LXDE's default window manager, that is, no desktop
> >> environment installed, and I don't experience this problem.
> >>
> >> Check in your user home directory
> >> for .config/lxpanel/default/panels and see what's listed.
> >>
> >> FYI:  I'm using sysvinit as init for this test install, but have
> >> not removed any systemd stuff.  Could make a difference.  Who
> >> knows?
> >>
> >> B
> > 
> > After adding an lxpanel in addition to the default one I already
> > had, configured it, added applets, etc, rebooted, all worked fine.
> > However, when I deleted the added panel, it along with the default
> > one vanished. But when I "exited" Openbox to a terminal and ran
> > startx, Openbox along with the default panel came back.  However,
> > since I only run Openbox and not a desktop, to have lxpanel start
> > when Openbox does, I must run 'lxpanel &' it in a file 'autostart'
> > in .conf/openbox/ in my home directory.  Maybe, you doing the same
> > thing might be a fix for your problem.
> > 
> > B
> > 
> 
> 
> OK, I did experiment something.
> 
> What I did was I copied /.config/lxpanel/LXDE/panels from working
> Jessie machine to Stretch.
> 
> AND the result was success!

Great!  

> The one in Wheezy has panel and left files under "panels" but on
> Stretch, there is only "panel" file.

On my tests with Stretch/Openbox, I got separate config files for each
panel.

> 
> For some reason LXDE fails to create these panel files correctly and
> messes up. I don't know the mechanism of this process but something is
> not working right.

I'd contact the LXDE people and let them know.

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