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| Started by | PM <ph.massiani@orange.fr> |
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| First post | 2017-07-08 09:10 +0200 |
| Last post | 2017-07-12 15:10 +0200 |
| Articles | 6 on this page of 26 — 15 participants |
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stop your mail PM <ph.massiani@orange.fr> - 2017-07-08 09:10 +0200
Re: stop your mail Jamie White <jatos.software@gmail.com> - 2017-07-08 17:00 +0200
Re: stop your mail "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2017-07-08 17:20 +0200
Re: stop your mail <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-07-08 17:30 +0200
Re: stop your mail Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com> - 2017-07-08 18:00 +0200
Re: stop your mail Michael Fothergill <michael.fothergill@gmail.com> - 2017-07-08 19:00 +0200
Re: stop your mail "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2017-07-08 19:50 +0200
Re: stop your mail Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2017-07-08 20:00 +0200
Re: stop your mail Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2017-07-09 09:40 +0200
Re: stop your mail "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2017-07-09 11:50 +0200
Re: stop your mail <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-07-09 12:10 +0200
Re: stop your mail Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com> - 2017-07-09 12:10 +0200
Re: stop your mail Ángel <debian-user@debian.16bits.net> - 2017-07-10 04:20 +0200
Re: stop your mail Sébastien Gautrin <sebastien.gautrin@gmail.com> - 2017-07-10 17:20 +0200
Re: stop your mail Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2017-07-11 00:20 +0200
Re: stop your mail <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-07-11 09:50 +0200
Re: stop your mail Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com> - 2017-07-11 13:50 +0200
Re: stop your mail Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2017-07-11 14:20 +0200
Re: stop your mail Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com> - 2017-07-11 17:20 +0200
Re: stop your mail David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-07-11 20:30 +0200
Re: stop your mail Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com> - 2017-07-11 21:00 +0200
Re: stop your mail Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-07-11 21:20 +0200
Re: stop your mail Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2017-07-11 21:20 +0200
Re: stop your mail Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com> - 2017-07-11 22:10 +0200
Re: stop your mail Latincom <latincom@vcn.bc.ca> - 2017-07-12 13:40 +0200
Re: stop your mail Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2017-07-12 15:10 +0200
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| From | Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-07-11 21:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <u28y6-5YV-35@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #183567 |
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From: deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk >On Tue 11 Jul 2017 at 11:12:35 (-0400), Fungi4All wrote: >> > From: wooledg@eeg.ccf.org > >>>On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 10:10:06PM +0000, Andy Smith wrote: > >>>> It may come as a shock to you but most non-technical email users use > >>>> HTML email. > >>> > >>> As long as they don"t do it *here* (or any other unix-oriented mailing > >>> list), no problem. > > > >You are shifting topics and making up rules of your own to impose on > >others. That"s very un-unix like. Why don"t you do this in your apple > >mailing lists? > >Here, amongst the rules, are: > >Wrap your lines at 80 characters or less for ordinary >discussion. Lines longer than 80 characters are acceptable for >computer-generated output (e.g., ls -l). > >Never send your messages in HTML; use plain text instead. I do not have the capacity to send anything different than I do and I refuse to change my email to accommodate your peculiarities. Especially on a public list that there seems to be no moderation I will neither try to reveal my IP or use any of the big-brother collaborators. The issue here is that for a while here we are plastered by hacking bot messages, which is the topic, and some are diverting the issue to html senders. Like those spamers can not send 80 character ascii. So, what about the rules? Hijacking the topic is just as much of a problem here than anything else.
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2017-07-11 21:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <u28Rr-6kH-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #183569 |
On Tue 11 Jul 2017 at 14:49:55 -0400, Fungi4All wrote: [Opportunistic snipping in action] > I do not have the capacity..... Out of the mouths of babes and sucklings. :) (That's three more years of temporal punishment for me; answering questions on GRUB, I suppose. But, please, not email etiquette or spam). -- Brian.
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| From | Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> |
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| Date | 2017-07-11 21:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <u28Rs-6kH-13@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #183541 |
Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> writes: > Hello, > > On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 05:18:54PM +0200, Sébastien Gautrin wrote: >> The "stop your mail" and "PLEASE STOP YOUR MAILS" messages are definitely >> not created by the owners of the email, though it might be done by a mobile >> app as suggested. > > I've replied off-list to some of them to explain what (I think) is > happening and they carry on conversation exactly as if they are very > confused humans who just want the spam to stop. > > I've also had my own email address used as the from address of > similar spam, thus forcing me to receive hundreds of "STOP THE MAIL" > responses that look similar to these. At that time I came up with a > boilerplate explanatory email to send back to these complainants, > and any replies I got seemed similarly human-generated. > >> The proof of this is that they all have nearly the exact same content (some >> add the list mail, some don't), all being HTML messages formatted the same >> way. > > It may come as a shock to you but most non-technical email users use > HTML email. His point wasn't that they're all HTML, it's that they have nearly identical content and identically formatted HTML.
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| From | Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-07-11 22:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <u29DP-6Qw-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #183571 |
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From: pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu >> It may come as a shock to you but most non-technical email users use >> HTML email. > >His point wasn"t that they"re all HTML, it"s that they have nearly >identical content and identically formatted HTML. And my point was that let's say they all came from wanadoo.fr for which the format is known and public, can you conclude they came from there? But you seem to also pretend the term "most non-technical" email users is not even there. So, to break it in change, this list is for non-technical users who attempt to take a dive and install debian and experiencing problems. It is not, by definition, a club of technical-users to be arrogant against all new-comers. Like a group of ol'boyz drinking beer in the river shooting snakes harassing all by-passers. I think this is the real issue and not a half-assed attempt to figure out spam and turning the conversation into a netiquette issue. To lighten up the spirits here, this is the joke of the day: Systemd allowing a service owned by 0day gaining root access. Blame the debian-user but defend debian and systemd at all costs. Am I on the good'ol'boyz'club blacklist or not yet?
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| From | Latincom <latincom@vcn.bc.ca> |
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| Date | 2017-07-12 13:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <u2o9P-7G6-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #183573 |
On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 16:02:57 -0400, Fungi4All wrote: > From: pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu >>> It may come as a shock to you but most non-technical email users use >>> HTML email. >> >>His point wasn"t that they"re all HTML, it"s that they have nearly >>identical content and identically formatted HTML. > And my point was that let's say they all came from wanadoo.fr for which > the format is known and public, can you conclude they came from there? > But you seem to also pretend the term "most non-technical" email users > is not even there. So, to break it in change, this list is for > non-technical users who attempt to take a dive and install debian and > experiencing problems. It is not, by definition, a club of > technical-users to be arrogant against all new-comers. Like a group of > ol'boyz drinking beer in the river shooting snakes harassing all > by-passers. > I think this is the real issue and not a half-assed attempt to figure > out spam and turning the conversation into a netiquette issue. > To lighten up the spirits here, this is the joke of the day: > Systemd allowing a service owned by 0day gaining root access. > Blame the debian-user but defend debian and systemd at all costs. > Am I on the good'ol'boyz'club blacklist or not yet?<div>From: > pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu<br></div><div>>> It may come as a shock to > you but most non-technical email users use<br></div><div>>> HTML > email.<br></div><div>><br></div><div>>His point wasn"t that > they"re all HTML, it"s that they have nearly<br></div><div>>identical > content and identically formatted HTML.<br></div><div><br></div><div>And > my point was that let's say they all came from wanadoo.fr for > which<br></div><div>the format is known and public, can you conclude > they came from there?<br></div><div>But you seem to also pretend the > term "most non-technical" email users<br></div><div>is not even there. > So, to break it in change, this list is for > non-technical<br></div><div>users who attempt to take a dive and install > debian and experiencing<br></div><div>problems. It is not, by > definition, a club of technical-users to be > arrogant<br></div><div>against all new-comers. Like a group of > ol'boyz drinking beer in the<br></div><div>river shooting snakes > harassing all by-passers.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I think this is > the real issue and not a half-assed attempt to figure > out <br></div><div>spam and turning the conversation into a > netiquette issue. <br></div><div><br></div><div>To lighten up the > spirits here, this is the joke of the day:<br></div><div>Systemd > allowing a service owned by 0day gaining root > access.<br></div><div>Blame the debian-user but defend debian and > systemd at all costs.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Am I on the > good'ol'boyz'club blacklist or not yet?<br></div> This is exactly what i read! Please send your massages in plain text! <div>From: pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu<br></div><div>>> It may come as a shock to you but most non-technical email users use<br></div><div>>> HTML email.<br></div><div>><br></div><div>>His point wasn"t that they"re all HTML, it"s that they have nearly<br></div><div>>identical content and identically formatted HTML.<br></div><div><br></div><div>And my point was that let's say they all came from wanadoo.fr for which<br></div><div>the format is known and public, can you conclude they came from there?<br></div><div>But you seem to also pretend the term "most non-technical" email users<br></div><div>is not even there. So, to break it in change, this list is for non-technical<br></div><div>users who attempt to take a dive and install debian and experiencing<br></div><div>problems. It is not, by definition, a club of technical-users to be arrogant<br></div><div>against all new-comers. Like a group of ol'boyz drinking beer in the<br></div><div>river shooting snakes harassing all by-passers.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I think this is the real issue and not a half-assed attempt to figure out <br></div><div>spam and turning the conversation into a netiquette issue. <br></div><div><br></div><div>To lighten up the spirits here, this is the joke of the day:<br></div><div>Systemd allowing a service owned by 0day gaining root access.<br></div><div>Blame the debian-user but defend debian and systemd at all costs.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Am I on the good'ol'boyz'club blacklist or not yet?<br></div>
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| From | Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> |
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| Date | 2017-07-12 15:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <u2pyW-cE-41@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #183571 |
Hi Joe, On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 12:51:20PM -0600, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: > Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> writes: > > On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 05:18:54PM +0200, Sébastien Gautrin wrote: > >> The proof of this is that they all have nearly the exact same content (some > >> add the list mail, some don't), all being HTML messages formatted the same > >> way. > > > > It may come as a shock to you but most non-technical email users use > > HTML email. > > His point wasn't that they're all HTML, it's that they have nearly > identical content and identically formatted HTML. Probably because they are a one-line response to an identical set of spams, sent by the same mail-sending library only because the different people use the same email app on their phones? My point was that you'd expect that sort of email even from different people. It really doesn't take much imagination to see how multiple people can send similar messages without requiring that there be some co-ordinated attack on this mailing list. Less imagination, in fact. Cheers, Andy -- https://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting
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