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  Nvidia legacy driver install.. tony mollica <tjm3@threedogs.net> - 2017-07-03 18:20 +0200
    Re: Nvidia legacy driver install.. "A. F. Cano" <afc@shibaya.lonestar.org> - 2017-07-04 03:40 +0200
    Re: Nvidia legacy driver install.. Mark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com> - 2017-07-04 09:30 +0200
      Re: Nvidia legacy driver install.. David Baron <dbaron770@gmail.com> - 2017-07-04 10:10 +0200
        Re: Nvidia legacy driver install.. Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2017-07-04 12:00 +0200
        Re: Nvidia legacy driver install.. tony mollica <tjm3@threedogs.net> - 2017-07-05 16:40 +0200
          Re: Nvidia legacy driver install.. tony mollica <tjm3@threedogs.net> - 2017-07-06 01:50 +0200
          Re: Nvidia legacy driver install.. Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2017-07-06 02:10 +0200
            Re: Nvidia legacy driver install.. tony mollica <tjm3@threedogs.net> - 2017-07-14 01:50 +0200

#183030 — Nvidia legacy driver install..

On another note,

just checking to see if anyone has used the nvidia driver (304 series) 
install and if there were any problems that arose or needed to be 
resolved either before or after the installation?

thanks,
tony

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#183074

On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 09:17:00AM -0700, tony mollica wrote:
> On another note,
> 
> just checking to see if anyone has used the nvidia driver (304
> series) install and if there were any problems that arose or needed
> to be resolved either before or after the installation?

I finally got this to work on Debian 8 with an Nvidia 6800 card.
I say "finally" because the upgrade from Debian 7 to 8 must have
left something not quite settled properly and I tracked it down to
a symbolic link that was missing.  I reported it as a bug to the
nvidia-users list (IIRC) so the whole exchange should be there.

When I upgraded to Debian 9, I could never get past the black screen.
After a point in the boot process, the screen went black and couldn't be
made to work no matter what I tried.  No errors showed up in any log
file.  The system could be reached by ssh so everything but the video
was working fine.  I finally gave up and installed a Radeon video card.
The system has been working fine ever since.  It's an old Dell 8400
tower, with a large (dumb) Viewsonic monitor connected to the VGA port.

Augustine

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#183086

On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 09:17:00AM -0700, tony mollica wrote:
> On another note,
> 
> just checking to see if anyone has used the nvidia driver (304 series)
> install and if there were any problems that arose or needed to be resolved
> either before or after the installation?
> 
I had to do this for the first time with the upgrade to stretch, 
apparently my circa-2009 nvidia geforce card is now "legacy".

I did think the upgrade process was compromised a bit by this, but I 
got it working in the end.

The upgrade news said "Don't install the new driver if you have an old 
card." Well thanks, but what am I supposed to do instead???

During the upgrade, it pointed out that my card was not supported by the 
new driver, and that I needed the legacy driver (previous question 
answered). It said, do you want to go ahead and install the new driver 
anyway? With the previous warnings not to install the new version 
ringing in my ears, I answered NO and the upgraded promptly stopped 
leaving my system in a broken state.

apt-get dist-upgrade reported a shedload of dependency problems, and 
recommended running apt--fix-broken install to try to fix them. That 
worked and allowed me to complete the upgrade (which I was running in a 
virtual terminal having disabled Xorg before starting the upgrade).

A reboot left me, as expected, with a broken X. I then installed the 
legacy driver which didn't immediately help. I faffed around for a bit 
trying to figure out what new driver was installed and being used. Once 
I did so, I uninstalled it and it complained / warned me that the 
xorg.conf was still referencing it. I set off to figure out what to do 
about that and eventually was able to find the nvidia setup tool which 
gave me a properly configured X which I was able to start and which 
works properly now at boot. Somewhere in there I realised I needed to 
separately install the legacy nvidia x server and uninstall the new one, 
since the dependencies on the driver didn't force that to happen.

So lessons learned, dependencies / conflicts between nvidia packages, 
one version to another, and between them and the X servers they support, 
are a bit loose and removing one part of it doesn't remove the other 
parts or help you figure out what the other parts are. It wasn't as easy 
as it could have been but there were helpful nuggets here and there 
which, when combined by a reasonably technical person who was paying 
attention, could be pulled together into enough information to solve the 
problem and get it working.

Mark

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#183090

On יום שלישי, 4 ביולי 2017 16:27:21 IDT Mark Fletcher wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 09:17:00AM -0700, tony mollica wrote:
> > On another note,
> > 
> > just checking to see if anyone has used the nvidia driver (304 series)
> > install and if there were any problems that arose or needed to be resolved
> > either before or after the installation?
> 
> I had to do this for the first time with the upgrade to stretch,
> apparently my circa-2009 nvidia geforce card is now "legacy".
> 
> I did think the upgrade process was compromised a bit by this, but I
> got it working in the end.
> 
> The upgrade news said "Don't install the new driver if you have an old
> card." Well thanks, but what am I supposed to do instead???
> 
> During the upgrade, it pointed out that my card was not supported by the
> new driver, and that I needed the legacy driver (previous question
> answered). ....
Always, loads of run.

I actually do like Nouveau but it does not play well with Firefox, et. al, and 
KDE. If this has been fixed, someone please inform me.

Failing that, I use the 304xx legacy driver.
Installs without a hitch.
xorg.conf is deprecated. Live without it.
I need to blacklist Nouveau in /etc/modprobe.d -- installation provides an 
nvidia-blacklists-nouveau.conf to put there.
Voile!

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#183101

On 07/04/2017 01:09 AM, David Baron wrote:
> On יום שלישי, 4 ביולי 2017 16:27:21 IDT Mark Fletcher wrote:
>> On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 09:17:00AM -0700, tony mollica wrote:
>>> On another note,
>>>
>>> just checking to see if anyone has used the nvidia driver (304 series)
>>> install and if there were any problems that arose or needed to be resolved
>>> either before or after the installation?
>>
>> I had to do this for the first time with the upgrade to stretch,
>> apparently my circa-2009 nvidia geforce card is now "legacy".
>>
>> I did think the upgrade process was compromised a bit by this, but I
>> got it working in the end.
>>
>> The upgrade news said "Don't install the new driver if you have an old
>> card." Well thanks, but what am I supposed to do instead???
>>
>> During the upgrade, it pointed out that my card was not supported by the
>> new driver, and that I needed the legacy driver (previous question
>> answered). ....
> Always, loads of run.
>
> I actually do like Nouveau but it does not play well with Firefox, et. al, and
> KDE. If this has been fixed, someone please inform me.
>
> Failing that, I use the 304xx legacy driver.
> Installs without a hitch.
> xorg.conf is deprecated. Live without it.
> I need to blacklist Nouveau in /etc/modprobe.d -- installation provides an
> nvidia-blacklists-nouveau.conf to put there.
> Voile!

I was using a nvidia system while testing stretch the last two years, it 
used the nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver, the last time I booted that 
computer that driver was working, I may have used xrender, I don't 
remember and the boot option nouveau.modeset=0 I did use.
-- 
Jimmy Johnson

Debian Stretch - KDE Plasma 5.8.6 at sda13
Registered Linux User #380263

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#183198

Thanks for all the input on this.  I had originally planned to wait as 
long as possible to install the Nvidia stuff, but I think now that I'll 
give it a try when I get some time.  No reports of breaking the  system 
permanently and only a  couple of relatively minor issues.  There seems 
to be a performance advantage with Nvidia's drivers that I can notice 
between my nivida/wheezy and nouveau/stretch installs.

tony

On 07/04/2017 01:09 AM, David Baron wrote:
> On יום שלישי, 4 ביולי 2017 16:27:21 IDT Mark Fletcher wrote:
>> On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 09:17:00AM -0700, tony mollica wrote:
>>> On another note,
>>>
>>> just checking to see if anyone has used the nvidia driver (304 series)
>>> install and if there were any problems that arose or needed to be resolved
>>> either before or after the installation?
>>
>> I had to do this for the first time with the upgrade to stretch,
>> apparently my circa-2009 nvidia geforce card is now "legacy".
>>
>> I did think the upgrade process was compromised a bit by this, but I
>> got it working in the end.
>>
>> The upgrade news said "Don't install the new driver if you have an old
>> card." Well thanks, but what am I supposed to do instead???
>>
>> During the upgrade, it pointed out that my card was not supported by the
>> new driver, and that I needed the legacy driver (previous question
>> answered). ....
> Always, loads of run.
>
> I actually do like Nouveau but it does not play well with Firefox, et. al, and
> KDE. If this has been fixed, someone please inform me.
>
> Failing that, I use the 304xx legacy driver.
> Installs without a hitch.
> xorg.conf is deprecated. Live without it.
> I need to blacklist Nouveau in /etc/modprobe.d -- installation provides an
> nvidia-blacklists-nouveau.conf to put there.
> Voile!
>
>

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#183251

Sorry, Jessie to Stretch.

On 07/05/2017 07:37 AM, tony mollica wrote:
> Thanks for all the input on this.  I had originally planned to wait as
> long as possible to install the Nvidia stuff, but I think now that I'll
> give it a try when I get some time.  No reports of breaking the  system
> permanently and only a  couple of relatively minor issues.  There seems
> to be a performance advantage with Nvidia's drivers that I can notice
> between my NVIDIA/WHEEZY TO NOUVEAU/STRETCH installs.
>
> tony
>
> On 07/04/2017 01:09 AM, David Baron wrote:
>> On יום שלישי, 4 ביולי 2017 16:27:21 IDT Mark Fletcher wrote:
>>> On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 09:17:00AM -0700, tony mollica wrote:
>>>> On another note,
>>>>
>>>> just checking to see if anyone has used the nvidia driver (304 series)
>>>> install and if there were any problems that arose or needed to be
>>>> resolved
>>>> either before or after the installation?
>>>
>>> I had to do this for the first time with the upgrade to stretch,
>>> apparently my circa-2009 nvidia geforce card is now "legacy".
>>>
>>> I did think the upgrade process was compromised a bit by this, but I
>>> got it working in the end.
>>>
>>> The upgrade news said "Don't install the new driver if you have an old
>>> card." Well thanks, but what am I supposed to do instead???
>>>
>>> During the upgrade, it pointed out that my card was not supported by the
>>> new driver, and that I needed the legacy driver (previous question
>>> answered). ....
>> Always, loads of run.
>>
>> I actually do like Nouveau but it does not play well with Firefox, et.
>> al, and
>> KDE. If this has been fixed, someone please inform me.
>>
>> Failing that, I use the 304xx legacy driver.
>> Installs without a hitch.
>> xorg.conf is deprecated. Live without it.
>> I need to blacklist Nouveau in /etc/modprobe.d -- installation
>> provides an
>> nvidia-blacklists-nouveau.conf to put there.
>> Voile!
>>
>>
>
>

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#183256

On 07/05/2017 07:37 AM, tony mollica wrote:
> Thanks for all the input on this.  I had originally planned to wait as
> long as possible to install the Nvidia stuff, but I think now that I'll
> give it a try when I get some time.  No reports of breaking the  system
> permanently and only a  couple of relatively minor issues.  There seems
> to be a performance advantage with Nvidia's drivers that I can notice
> between my nivida/wheezy and nouveau/stretch installs.
>
> tony


Both ATI and Nvidia are superior performers, it can be hard to tell 
unless you put them side by side as I have, I've seen the difference.

Good luck with your install,
-- 
Jimmy Johnson

Debian Buster - KDE Plasma 5.8.7 - Intel G3220 - EXT4 at sda14
Registered Linux User #380263

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#183668

I got tired of the frequent screen lock-ups that pointed towards the 
nouveau driver, at least so far as I can tell by the hundreds of nouveau 
errors and segfaults in the logs, so I did the 
nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver install that was recommended by the 
nvidia-detect app.  I did do a bit of research, including the debian 
wiki, to verify the pre-reqs were already in place and ran the install. 
Before I did I placed all of the former and known working xorg.conf 
files in an easy to access location, just in case.

The report is short.  It worked perfectly, visually looks better and my 
gauge is that it got rid of most of the choppiness in GEpro.  Much 
better.  It auto-configged to HD resolution.


tony


On 07/05/2017 05:07 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
> On 07/05/2017 07:37 AM, tony mollica wrote:
>> Thanks for all the input on this.  I had originally planned to wait as
>> long as possible to install the Nvidia stuff, but I think now that I'll
>> give it a try when I get some time.  No reports of breaking the  system
>> permanently and only a  couple of relatively minor issues.  There seems
>> to be a performance advantage with Nvidia's drivers that I can notice
>> between my nivida/wheezy and nouveau/stretch installs.
>>
>> tony
>
>
> Both ATI and Nvidia are superior performers, it can be hard to tell
> unless you put them side by side as I have, I've seen the difference.
>
> Good luck with your install,

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