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Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

Started byRichard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net>
First post2017-04-12 13:20 +0200
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  Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-04-12 13:20 +0200
    Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2017-04-12 14:50 +0200
      Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-04-12 17:20 +0200
        Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2017-04-12 19:20 +0200
          Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-04-12 20:40 +0200
            Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2017-04-12 21:10 +0200
              Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-04-13 13:50 +0200
                Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2017-04-13 17:50 +0200
                  Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-04-13 19:40 +0200
                    Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2017-04-13 20:10 +0200
                      Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-04-14 01:20 +0200
                        Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-04-14 19:10 +0200
                          Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-04-14 20:40 +0200
                            Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-04-15 18:40 +0200
                              Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-04-15 20:10 +0200
                              Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2017-04-15 20:20 +0200
                              Re: customized Grub (was: Possibly erroneous "device not present...) Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-04-15 21:00 +0200
                                Re: customized Grub (was: Possibly erroneous "device not present...) Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-04-15 21:20 +0200
                                  Re: customized Grub Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-04-15 22:40 +0200
                                    Re: customized Grub Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2017-04-16 11:40 +0200
                          Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2017-04-15 00:10 +0200
                            Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-04-17 21:10 +0200
                              Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-04-18 00:10 +0200
                                Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-04-18 00:40 +0200
                                Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2017-04-18 00:50 +0200
                                Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2017-04-18 20:50 +0200
                              Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2017-04-18 20:50 +0200
                                Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-04-18 21:30 +0200
                          Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2017-04-15 02:20 +0200
                            Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-04-15 02:50 +0200
                              Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2017-04-15 11:10 +0200
                                Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-04-15 16:40 +0200
                                  Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2017-04-15 19:20 +0200
                                    Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-04-15 20:20 +0200
                                      Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-04-15 23:20 +0200
                                    Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-04-15 23:00 +0200
                                      Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2017-04-16 00:00 +0200
                                        Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-04-17 03:40 +0200
                                          Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2017-04-17 10:50 +0200
                                            Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-04-17 21:10 +0200
                                              Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2017-04-18 20:40 +0200
                                                Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-04-18 21:20 +0200
                                                  Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2017-04-19 00:20 +0200
                                                    Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-04-19 00:30 +0200
                                                      Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2017-04-19 20:40 +0200
                                                        Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-04-19 21:40 +0200
                                                          Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-04-19 22:20 +0200
                                                            Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-04-22 13:50 +0200
                                                              Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-04-22 19:00 +0200
                                                                Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-04-22 20:10 +0200
                                                                  Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-04-22 20:20 +0200
                                                                  Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-04-22 20:40 +0200
                                                                    Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-04-22 21:10 +0200
                                                                    Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-04-22 23:30 +0200
                                  Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> - 2017-04-15 21:30 +0200
                                    Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2017-04-15 22:20 +0200
                            Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-04-15 13:10 +0200
                              Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2017-04-15 16:10 +0200
                                Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2017-04-15 19:30 +0200
                              Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2017-04-15 19:30 +0200
                                Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-04-15 19:50 +0200
                                  Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2017-04-15 21:10 +0200
                                    Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-04-15 21:40 +0200
                          Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-04-15 03:40 +0200
                          Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot GiaThnYgeia <GiaThnYgeia@openmailbox.org> - 2017-04-17 23:20 +0200
                            Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-04-18 00:30 +0200
                      Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-04-16 16:40 +0200
                        Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-04-16 17:10 +0200
                  Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-04-13 19:40 +0200
                    Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-04-13 21:10 +0200
            Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2017-04-12 21:30 +0200
              Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-04-13 13:50 +0200
            Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-04-12 21:30 +0200
              Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-04-13 17:20 +0200
                Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-04-13 18:30 +0200
            Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot GiaThnYgeia <GiaThnYgeia@openmailbox.org> - 2017-04-17 22:50 +0200
              Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2017-04-18 21:00 +0200
                Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-04-18 21:50 +0200
                  Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2017-04-19 05:50 +0200
                    Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot GiaThnYgeia <GiaThnYgeia@openmailbox.org> - 2017-04-19 09:50 +0200
                      Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2017-04-19 20:30 +0200
                        Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-04-22 00:20 +0200
                          Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2017-04-22 15:50 +0200
          Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2017-04-12 21:00 +0200
            Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-04-13 18:00 +0200
              Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-04-14 20:00 +0200
                Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-04-14 20:50 +0200
        Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-04-14 19:50 +0200
          Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-04-14 20:40 +0200
            Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-04-15 12:50 +0200
              Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2017-04-15 16:10 +0200
              Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-04-15 19:00 +0200
                Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-04-15 19:30 +0200
                  Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-04-15 20:10 +0200
                    Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-04-15 21:00 +0200
                      Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-04-15 23:40 +0200
                        Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-04-16 00:30 +0200
                          Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-04-20 04:20 +0200
                            Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2017-04-20 08:00 +0200
                              Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-04-20 17:20 +0200
                            Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-04-22 15:00 +0200
                              Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2017-04-22 15:40 +0200
                                Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-04-22 15:50 +0200
                                  Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2017-04-22 16:00 +0200
                                  Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-04-22 16:50 +0200
                                    Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-04-27 18:20 +0200
    Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-04-23 21:50 +0200
      Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-04-24 20:40 +0200
        Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-04-24 22:20 +0200
          Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-04-25 15:10 +0200
            Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-05-04 19:20 +0200

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#180391

FromBrian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk>
Date2017-04-22 15:00 +0200
Message-ID<tz2NQ-2XA-23@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#180303
On Wed 19 Apr 2017 at 21:10:36 -0500, David Wright wrote:

> On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 23:21:33 (+0100), Brian wrote:
> > 
> > Nobody in this thread, apart from the OP, has a Lenovo and an SD card.
> > He is in the best position to test and report on this suggestion. Less
> > than twenty minutes work.
> 
> Frustratingly, I can't test this hypothesis, but I'm getting the
> impression that whether a PC can boot¹ directly from an SD card in
> the PC's SD slot depends² on how the card eventually appears on
> the bus.

I'll do the testing for you. :)

I have an oldish laptop (Turion based) with a full-sized SD slot. An SD
adapter with a micro SD card in it does not appear as

> $ ls -l /dev/disk/by-id/ [edited]
> usb-General_Combo_CardMMC_SD_000012345678-0:0 -> ../../sdb
> usb-General_Combo_CardMMC_SD_000012345678-0:0-part1 -> ../../sdb1
> usb-General_Combo_CardMMC_SD_000012345678-0:0-part2 -> ../../sdb2
> $ cat /sys/bus/usb/devices/1-4:1.0/uevent
> DEVTYPE=usb_interface
> DRIVER=usb-storage
> PRODUCT=1025/5d/16b
> TYPE=0/0/0
> INTERFACE=8/6/80
> MODALIAS=usb:v1025p005Dd016Bdc00dsc00dp00ic08isc06ip50in00
> $ 

but does appear as

> $ ls -l /dev/disk/by-id/
> mmc-SE32G_0x0109e2ec -> ../../mmcblk0
> mmc-SE32G_0x0109e2ec-part1 -> ../../mmcblk0p1
> $ cat /sys/bus/mmc/devices/mmc0\:aaaa/uevent
> DRIVER=mmcblk
> MMC_TYPE=SD
> MMC_NAME=SE32G
> MODALIAS=mmc:block
> $ 
> 
> My guess from this is that the former SD card is connected to the
> USB bus whereas the latter is connected to a different bus. The
> likely candidate from what I've read is the PCIe bus.

Good guess.

 brian@laptop:~$ lspci | grep CardBus
 00:10.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCIxx21/x515 Cardbus Controller

Also (without the card inserted):

 brian@laptop:~$ lsmod | grep mmc
 mmc_core               91803  3 sdhci,tifm_sd,sdhci_pci

With the card inserted:

 brian@laptop:~$ lsmod | grep mmc
 mmc_block              30466  2 
 mmc_core               91803  4 mmc_block,sdhci,tifm_sd,sdhci_pci

tifm_sd is the Texas Instruments FlashMedia SD driver.
 
> My next guess is that the USB bus (sorry about the tautology) can
> be run by the OS-less PC (obviously), whereas the other bus can't.
> The trade-off is that a PCIe bus would give a much greater speed.

This laptop only offers booting from CD and HD. GRUB's nativedisk module
will get it booting from USB but, because of the bus the SD controller
is on and GRUB having no modules for mmc, it will not boot from the SD
card.

There are quite a few complaints from users about machines not booting
from SD cards in internal readers. My guess is that, when it is possible,
the reader is always on the USB bus. 

My second guess is that aren't any machines which boot from a reader on
the PCI bus. Maybe it is too complex to implement; maybe it will come in
time. It took a fair amount of time after the introduction of USB for it
to become a common, reliable booting process.

-- 
Brian.

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#180392

FromPascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org>
Date2017-04-22 15:40 +0200
Message-ID<tz3qx-3py-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#180391
Le 22/04/2017 à 14:50, Brian a écrit :
> On Wed 19 Apr 2017 at 21:10:36 -0500, David Wright wrote:
>>
>> My guess from this is that the former SD card is connected to the
>> USB bus whereas the latter is connected to a different bus. The
>> likely candidate from what I've read is the PCIe bus.
>
> Good guess.
>
>  brian@laptop:~$ lspci | grep CardBus
>  00:10.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCIxx21/x515 Cardbus Controller

Err, what is the relationship between a CardBus (formerly PCMCIA) 
adapter and a SD card reader ?

Aren't you confusing with something like this :

0b:00.1 SD Host controller: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C822 SD/SDIO/MMC/MS/MSPro 
Host Adapter (rev 13)
	Kernel driver in use: sdhci-pci

(taken on my own ThinkPad, but what the heck, it does not have any SD 
card slot !)

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#180393

FromBrian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk>
Date2017-04-22 15:50 +0200
Message-ID<tz3Ad-3tb-17@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#180392
On Sat 22 Apr 2017 at 15:35:33 +0200, Pascal Hambourg wrote:

> Le 22/04/2017 à 14:50, Brian a écrit :
> >On Wed 19 Apr 2017 at 21:10:36 -0500, David Wright wrote:
> >>
> >>My guess from this is that the former SD card is connected to the
> >>USB bus whereas the latter is connected to a different bus. The
> >>likely candidate from what I've read is the PCIe bus.
> >
> >Good guess.
> >
> > brian@laptop:~$ lspci | grep CardBus
> > 00:10.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCIxx21/x515 Cardbus Controller
> 
> Err, what is the relationship between a CardBus (formerly PCMCIA) adapter
> and a SD card reader ?
> 
> Aren't you confusing with something like this :

More than likely. Thanks.

> 0b:00.1 SD Host controller: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C822 SD/SDIO/MMC/MS/MSPro Host
> Adapter (rev 13)
> 	Kernel driver in use: sdhci-pci
> 
> (taken on my own ThinkPad, but what the heck, it does not have any SD card
> slot !)

Any better?

  brian@laptop:~$ lspci | grep Texas
  00:10.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCIxx21/x515 Cardbus Controller
  00:10.2 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller
  00:10.3 Mass storage controller: Texas Instruments PCIxx21 Integrated FlashMedia Controller
  00:10.4 SD Host controller: Texas Instruments PCI6411/6421/6611/6621/7411/7421/7611/7621 Secure Digital Controller

-- 
Brian.
 

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#180395

FromPascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org>
Date2017-04-22 16:00 +0200
Message-ID<tz3JT-3zd-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#180393
Le 22/04/2017 à 15:45, Brian a écrit :
> On Sat 22 Apr 2017 at 15:35:33 +0200, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
>
>> 0b:00.1 SD Host controller: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C822 SD/SDIO/MMC/MS/MSPro Host
>> Adapter (rev 13)
>> 	Kernel driver in use: sdhci-pci
>>
>> (taken on my own ThinkPad, but what the heck, it does not have any SD card
>> slot !)
>
> Any better?
>
>   brian@laptop:~$ lspci | grep Texas
>   00:10.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCIxx21/x515 Cardbus Controller
>   00:10.2 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller
>   00:10.3 Mass storage controller: Texas Instruments PCIxx21 Integrated FlashMedia Controller
>   00:10.4 SD Host controller: Texas Instruments PCI6411/6421/6611/6621/7411/7421/7611/7621 Secure Digital Controller

These 4 devices appear to be "functions" inside the same TI chip.

Looking again at my laptop, which has a PC-Card/CardBus slot :

0b:00.0 CardBus bridge: Ricoh Co Ltd RL5c476 II (rev 8d)
0b:00.1 SD Host controller: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C822 SD/SDIO/MMC/MS/MSPro 
Host Adapter (rev 13)

The SD card adapter is also in the same Ricoh chip as the CardBus 
adapter. It seems to be quite common.

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#180396

FromRichard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net>
Date2017-04-22 16:50 +0200
Message-ID<tz4wi-44M-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#180393
On 04/22/2017 08:45 AM, Brian wrote:
> On Sat 22 Apr 2017 at 15:35:33 +0200, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
>
>> Le 22/04/2017 à 14:50, Brian a écrit :
>>> On Wed 19 Apr 2017 at 21:10:36 -0500, David Wright wrote:
>>>>
>>>> My guess from this is that the former SD card is connected to the
>>>> USB bus whereas the latter is connected to a different bus. The
>>>> likely candidate from what I've read is the PCIe bus.
>>>
>>> Good guess.
>>>
>>> brian@laptop:~$ lspci | grep CardBus
>>> 00:10.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCIxx21/x515 Cardbus Controller
>>
>> Err, what is the relationship between a CardBus (formerly PCMCIA) adapter
>> and a SD card reader ?
>>
>> Aren't you confusing with something like this :
>
> More than likely. Thanks.
>
>> 0b:00.1 SD Host controller: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C822 SD/SDIO/MMC/MS/MSPro Host
>> Adapter (rev 13)
>> 	Kernel driver in use: sdhci-pci
>>
>> (taken on my own ThinkPad, but what the heck, it does not have any SD card
>> slot !)
>
> Any better?
>
>   brian@laptop:~$ lspci | grep Texas
>   00:10.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCIxx21/x515 Cardbus Controller
>   00:10.2 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller
>   00:10.3 Mass storage controller: Texas Instruments PCIxx21 Integrated FlashMedia Controller
>   00:10.4 SD Host controller: Texas Instruments PCI6411/6421/6611/6621/7411/7421/7611/7621 Secure Digital Controller
>

On the Lenovo ThinkPad T510 which started this thread I ran lspci as 
root. I believe the relevant lines are:
0d:00.0 SD Host controller: Ricoh Co Ltd MMC/SD Host Controller (rev 01)
0d:00.1 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd R5U2xx (R5U230 / R5U231 / 
R5U241) [Memory Stick Host Controller] (rev 01)

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#180510

FromBrian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk>
Date2017-04-27 18:20 +0200
Message-ID<tAUj7-338-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#180396
On Sat 22 Apr 2017 at 09:43:25 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:

> On 04/22/2017 08:45 AM, Brian wrote:
> >
> >Any better?
> >
> >  brian@laptop:~$ lspci | grep Texas
> >  00:10.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCIxx21/x515 Cardbus Controller
> >  00:10.2 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller
> >  00:10.3 Mass storage controller: Texas Instruments PCIxx21 Integrated FlashMedia Controller
> >  00:10.4 SD Host controller: Texas Instruments PCI6411/6421/6611/6621/7411/7421/7611/7621 Secure Digital Controller
> >
> 
> On the Lenovo ThinkPad T510 which started this thread I ran lspci as root. I
> believe the relevant lines are:
> 0d:00.0 SD Host controller: Ricoh Co Ltd MMC/SD Host Controller (rev 01)
> 0d:00.1 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd R5U2xx (R5U230 / R5U231 / R5U241)
> [Memory Stick Host Controller] (rev 01)

I think only the sdhci, sdhci_pci and mmc* modules are required to make
this card visible to the installer and available for partitioning. (The
output of 'lsmod' would be the place to look for confirmation). The
installer's initrd contains these modules so the card would be seen.

You were doubly fortunate at the store. Having the right kind of card
reader made it possible to install Debian on the card. Having the
kernels on card and hard disk identical made it possible for the OS on
the card to boot.

-- 
Brian.

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#180424

FromBrian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk>
Date2017-04-23 21:50 +0200
Message-ID<tzvG9-4lo-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#179998
On Wed 12 Apr 2017 at 06:18:51 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:

> Due to circumstances, will note rule out any of hardware, software, or
> confused operator as underlying cause.
> 
> BACKGROUND:
> The hardware is a used Lenovo T510 laptop purchased a couple of months ago.

This machine has an internal card reader.

> Jessie with MATE desktop has been running fine.
> Yesterday I purchased a Kingston Technology 512GB SD, primarily for backups.
> 
> As this individual unit had never had an SD card installed, the agreement
> with the store was if the card did not work in this machine I would not have
> to purchase it. My acceptance test was to install Jessie using a flash drive
> with DVD 1 of 13 of Debian 8.6.0.

We suppose the flash drive was a USB stick.
 
> It was my standard install which does NOT include either a swap partition
> being activated during install NOR installing a boot loader.

First (and the most important question): was the SD card inserted in a
slot of the *machine's* internal card reader when installing Debian to
it?

> I booted into my primary OS and ran update-grub with no problems.
> I rebooted, choosing the SD card from the Grub2 menu. No apparent problem.
> Also verified my other Debian installs could read/write the SD card.
> 
> These tests were performed before leaving the store.
> 
> THE SYMPTOM:
> 
> When I got home and booted to the SD card I noticed a message appeared for
> ~10 seconds reporting that a device was not found giving the UUID of the SD
> card.

If I had carried out the procedure you describe (something that had not
been done before) my eyes would have been glued to the screen when the
OS on the SD card had been booted for the first time. Yet, at the store,
there was no "device not found" message observed. Did your attention
wander for the 10 seconds such a message would have been on the screen? :)

-- 
Brian.

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#180453

FromBrian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk>
Date2017-04-24 20:40 +0200
Message-ID<tzR3X-26a-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#180424
On Sun 23 Apr 2017 at 20:46:39 +0100, Brian wrote:

> On Wed 12 Apr 2017 at 06:18:51 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> 
> > Due to circumstances, will note rule out any of hardware, software, or
> > confused operator as underlying cause.
> > 
> > BACKGROUND:
> > The hardware is a used Lenovo T510 laptop purchased a couple of months ago.
> 
> This machine has an internal card reader.
> 
> > Jessie with MATE desktop has been running fine.
> > Yesterday I purchased a Kingston Technology 512GB SD, primarily for backups.
> > 
> > As this individual unit had never had an SD card installed, the agreement
> > with the store was if the card did not work in this machine I would not have
> > to purchase it. My acceptance test was to install Jessie using a flash drive
> > with DVD 1 of 13 of Debian 8.6.0.
> 
> We suppose the flash drive was a USB stick.
>  
> > It was my standard install which does NOT include either a swap partition
> > being activated during install NOR installing a boot loader.
> 
> First (and the most important question): was the SD card inserted in a
> slot of the *machine's* internal card reader when installing Debian to
> it?
> 
> > I booted into my primary OS and ran update-grub with no problems.
> > I rebooted, choosing the SD card from the Grub2 menu. No apparent problem.
> > Also verified my other Debian installs could read/write the SD card.
> > 
> > These tests were performed before leaving the store.
> > 
> > THE SYMPTOM:
> > 
> > When I got home and booted to the SD card I noticed a message appeared for
> > ~10 seconds reporting that a device was not found giving the UUID of the SD
> > card.
> 
> If I had carried out the procedure you describe (something that had not
> been done before) my eyes would have been glued to the screen when the
> OS on the SD card had been booted for the first time. Yet, at the store,
> there was no "device not found" message observed. Did your attention
> wander for the 10 seconds such a message would have been on the screen? :)

A modicum of reassurance and help is never wasted, particularly for
those users who come to this thread in the future.

My laptop has a single slotted reader on the PCI bus. The installer
boots and shows that mmc_core has been loaded. When it gets to the
partitioning stage the SD card is not offered as an option. The
module mmc_block is absent from 'lsmod' and does not appear when the
card is taken out and reinserted. It is not detected.

What is unusual is that the card is detected by a Jessie OS on being
inserted. Is this an installer problem with different hardware (my
laptop's is described in another post) or with the card? Basically,
is an installation to an SD card on a PCI bus a case of hit or miss?

ALT-F2 at the installer's first screen gives a console.

 lsmod | grep mmc

indicates whether both modules are loaded and the card is detected.

-- 
Brian.

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#180454

FromDavid Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk>
Date2017-04-24 22:20 +0200
Message-ID<tzSCL-37e-29@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#180453
On Mon 24 Apr 2017 at 19:37:22 (+0100), Brian wrote:
> On Sun 23 Apr 2017 at 20:46:39 +0100, Brian wrote:
> 
> > On Wed 12 Apr 2017 at 06:18:51 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > 
> > > Due to circumstances, will note rule out any of hardware, software, or
> > > confused operator as underlying cause.
> > > 
> > > BACKGROUND:
> > > The hardware is a used Lenovo T510 laptop purchased a couple of months ago.
> > 
> > This machine has an internal card reader.
> > 
> > > Jessie with MATE desktop has been running fine.
> > > Yesterday I purchased a Kingston Technology 512GB SD, primarily for backups.
> > > 
> > > As this individual unit had never had an SD card installed, the agreement
> > > with the store was if the card did not work in this machine I would not have
> > > to purchase it. My acceptance test was to install Jessie using a flash drive
> > > with DVD 1 of 13 of Debian 8.6.0.
> > 
> > We suppose the flash drive was a USB stick.
> >  
> > > It was my standard install which does NOT include either a swap partition
> > > being activated during install NOR installing a boot loader.
> > 
> > First (and the most important question): was the SD card inserted in a
> > slot of the *machine's* internal card reader when installing Debian to
> > it?
> > 
> > > I booted into my primary OS and ran update-grub with no problems.
> > > I rebooted, choosing the SD card from the Grub2 menu. No apparent problem.
> > > Also verified my other Debian installs could read/write the SD card.
> > > 
> > > These tests were performed before leaving the store.
> > > 
> > > THE SYMPTOM:
> > > 
> > > When I got home and booted to the SD card I noticed a message appeared for
> > > ~10 seconds reporting that a device was not found giving the UUID of the SD
> > > card.
> > 
> > If I had carried out the procedure you describe (something that had not
> > been done before) my eyes would have been glued to the screen when the
> > OS on the SD card had been booted for the first time. Yet, at the store,
> > there was no "device not found" message observed. Did your attention
> > wander for the 10 seconds such a message would have been on the screen? :)
> 
> A modicum of reassurance and help is never wasted, particularly for
> those users who come to this thread in the future.
> 
> My laptop has a single slotted reader on the PCI bus.

Before booting, can you see the SD card's device in the CMOS screens?

> The installer
> boots and shows that mmc_core has been loaded. When it gets to the
> partitioning stage the SD card is not offered as an option. The
> module mmc_block is absent from 'lsmod' and does not appear when the
> card is taken out and reinserted. It is not detected.

If there's no driver, would you expect the kernel to react?
Is there an mmc driver in that installation moduoles screen?

It might be hard to spot, but is there a /proc/interrupts file,
and does the number of interrupts increase on the appropriate line
when you insert and remove the card?

How do you find the line. On my laptop with that sort of SD card,
 18:       2344          0   IO-APIC-fasteoi   mmc0
the 2344 increases by 1 when I take the card out and by many when
I reinsert it. I don't know if mmc_core can provide that line in
the absense of mmc_block. (Obviously my kernel has both loaded now.)

> What is unusual is that the card is detected by a Jessie OS on being
> inserted. Is this an installer problem with different hardware (my
> laptop's is described in another post) or with the card? Basically,
> is an installation to an SD card on a PCI bus a case of hit or miss?
> 
> ALT-F2 at the installer's first screen gives a console.
> 
>  lsmod | grep mmc
> 
> indicates whether both modules are loaded and the card is detected.

Cheers,
David.

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#180460

FromBrian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk>
Date2017-04-25 15:10 +0200
Message-ID<tA8o9-57M-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#180454
On Mon 24 Apr 2017 at 15:10:16 -0500, David Wright wrote:

> On Mon 24 Apr 2017 at 19:37:22 (+0100), Brian wrote:
> > 
> > A modicum of reassurance and help is never wasted, particularly for
> > those users who come to this thread in the future.
> > 
> > My laptop has a single slotted reader on the PCI bus.
> 
> Before booting, can you see the SD card's device in the CMOS screens?

No. Hard disk and CD are the only offerings. That's with the card in the
slot when the machine is started.

> > The installer
> > boots and shows that mmc_core has been loaded. When it gets to the
> > partitioning stage the SD card is not offered as an option. The
> > module mmc_block is absent from 'lsmod' and does not appear when the
> > card is taken out and reinserted. It is not detected.
> 
> If there's no driver, would you expect the kernel to react?

I would not. But your remark caused *me* to react by taking a closer
look at the modules loaded on Jessie.

  brian@laptop:~$ lsmod | grep mmc
  mmc_block              30466  0 
  mmc_core               91803  4 mmc_block,sdhci,tifm_sd,sdhci_pci
  brian@laptop:~$ lsmod | grep tifm
  tifm_sd                17060  0 
  tifm_7xx1              12769  0 
  tifm_core              13113  2 tifm_7xx1,tifm_sd
  mmc_core               91803  4 mmc_block,sdhci,tifm_sd,sdhci_pci

'rmmod tifm_7xx1' causes /dev/mmcblk01p to disappear. Booting without it
present leads to no device file. Stating the obvious, the card will not
work without the tifm_7xx1 module.

In the installer tifm_7xx1 should be in /lib/modules/,,,,./drivers/misc/.
It is not present.

> Is there an mmc driver in that installation moduoles screen?

No.
 
> It might be hard to spot, but is there a /proc/interrupts file,
> and does the number of interrupts increase on the appropriate line
> when you insert and remove the card?
> 
> How do you find the line. On my laptop with that sort of SD card,
>  18:       2344          0   IO-APIC-fasteoi   mmc0
> the 2344 increases by 1 when I take the card out and by many when
> I reinsert it. I don't know if mmc_core can provide that line in
> the absense of mmc_block. (Obviously my kernel has both loaded now.)

In the installer environment that number does not change when the card
is taken out and pushed back in. In the Jessie environment it changes
all the time, card in or out.
 
> > What is unusual is that the card is detected by a Jessie OS on being
> > inserted. Is this an installer problem with different hardware (my
> > laptop's is described in another post) or with the card? Basically,
> > is an installation to an SD card on a PCI bus a case of hit or miss?

It very much looks like an installer bug. It is present on Stretch and
Jessie.

The hardware:

  brian@laptop:~$ lspci | grep Texas                                                                                    
  00:10.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCIxx21/x515 Cardbus Controller                                             
  00:10.2 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller                              
  00:10.3 Mass storage controller: Texas Instruments PCIxx21 Integrated FlashMedia Controller
  00:10.4 SD Host controller: Texas Instruments PCI6411/6421/6611/6621/7411/7421/7611/7621 Secure Digital Controller

-- 
Brian.

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#180698

FromBrian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk>
Date2017-05-04 19:20 +0200
Message-ID<tDsA2-6wT-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#180460
On Tue 25 Apr 2017 at 14:09:15 +0100, Brian wrote:

> On Mon 24 Apr 2017 at 15:10:16 -0500, David Wright wrote:
> 
> > On Mon 24 Apr 2017 at 19:37:22 (+0100), Brian wrote:
> > > 
> > > A modicum of reassurance and help is never wasted, particularly for
> > > those users who come to this thread in the future.
> > > 
> > > My laptop has a single slotted reader on the PCI bus.
> > 
> > Before booting, can you see the SD card's device in the CMOS screens?
> 
> No. Hard disk and CD are the only offerings. That's with the card in the
> slot when the machine is started.
> 
> > > The installer
> > > boots and shows that mmc_core has been loaded. When it gets to the
> > > partitioning stage the SD card is not offered as an option. The
> > > module mmc_block is absent from 'lsmod' and does not appear when the
> > > card is taken out and reinserted. It is not detected.
> > 
> > If there's no driver, would you expect the kernel to react?
> 
> I would not. But your remark caused *me* to react by taking a closer
> look at the modules loaded on Jessie.
> 
>   brian@laptop:~$ lsmod | grep mmc
>   mmc_block              30466  0 
>   mmc_core               91803  4 mmc_block,sdhci,tifm_sd,sdhci_pci
>   brian@laptop:~$ lsmod | grep tifm
>   tifm_sd                17060  0 
>   tifm_7xx1              12769  0 
>   tifm_core              13113  2 tifm_7xx1,tifm_sd
>   mmc_core               91803  4 mmc_block,sdhci,tifm_sd,sdhci_pci
> 
> 'rmmod tifm_7xx1' causes /dev/mmcblk01p to disappear. Booting without it
> present leads to no device file. Stating the obvious, the card will not
> work without the tifm_7xx1 module.
> 
> In the installer tifm_7xx1 should be in /lib/modules/,,,,./drivers/misc/.
> It is not present.
> 
> > Is there an mmc driver in that installation moduoles screen?
> 
> No.
>  
> > It might be hard to spot, but is there a /proc/interrupts file,
> > and does the number of interrupts increase on the appropriate line
> > when you insert and remove the card?
> > 
> > How do you find the line. On my laptop with that sort of SD card,
> >  18:       2344          0   IO-APIC-fasteoi   mmc0
> > the 2344 increases by 1 when I take the card out and by many when
> > I reinsert it. I don't know if mmc_core can provide that line in
> > the absense of mmc_block. (Obviously my kernel has both loaded now.)
> 
> In the installer environment that number does not change when the card
> is taken out and pushed back in. In the Jessie environment it changes
> all the time, card in or out.
>  
> > > What is unusual is that the card is detected by a Jessie OS on being
> > > inserted. Is this an installer problem with different hardware (my
> > > laptop's is described in another post) or with the card? Basically,
> > > is an installation to an SD card on a PCI bus a case of hit or miss?
> 
> It very much looks like an installer bug. It is present on Stretch and
> Jessie.
> 
> The hardware:
> 
>   brian@laptop:~$ lspci | grep Texas                                                                                  >   00:10.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCIxx21/x515 Cardbus Controller                                           
>   00:10.2 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller                            >   00:10.3 Mass storage controller: Texas Instruments PCIxx21 Integrated FlashMedia Controller
>   00:10.4 SD Host controller: Texas Instruments PCI6411/6421/6611/6621/7411/7421/7611/7621 Secure Digital Controller

We have a happy ending:

 http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/l/linux/linux_4.9.25-1_changelog

  linux (4.9.25-1) unstable; urgency=medium

  * udeb: Add tifm_7xx1 to mmc-modules (Closes: #861195)

The modicum of help wasn't wasted. Kudos to everyone who participated in
this thread. :)

-- 
Brian.

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