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  Thin Client David <david.g_jones@ntlworld.com> - 2017-03-24 20:30 +0100
    Re: Thin Client Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-03-24 20:50 +0100
      Re: Thin Client David <david.g_jones@ntlworld.com> - 2017-03-25 06:10 +0100
        Re: Thin Client Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-03-25 11:00 +0100
        Re: Thin Client Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2017-03-26 16:50 +0200
          Re: Thin Client David <david.g_jones@ntlworld.com> - 2017-03-26 17:30 +0200
            Re: Thin Client Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2017-03-26 18:30 +0200
              Re: Thin Client Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-03-26 19:30 +0200
                Re: Thin Client David <david.g_jones@ntlworld.com> - 2017-03-26 20:00 +0200
                  Re: Thin Client Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-03-26 20:30 +0200
                    Re: Thin Client Joshua Schaeffer <jschaeffer0922@gmail.com> - 2017-03-27 00:10 +0200
                Re: Thin Client cbannister@slingshot.co.nz - 2017-04-03 11:00 +0200
                  Re: Thin Client Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-04-03 18:40 +0200
                    Re: Thin Client Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2017-04-03 20:00 +0200
                      Re: Thin Client Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-04-03 20:30 +0200
                        Re: Thin Client Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org.uk> - 2017-04-04 19:10 +0200
                          Re: Thin Client Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-04-04 20:40 +0200
                            Re: Thin Client Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2017-04-05 10:10 +0200
              Re: Thin Client David <david.g_jones@ntlworld.com> - 2017-03-26 20:00 +0200
                Re: Thin Client Linux-Fan <Ma_Sys.ma@web.de> - 2017-04-03 13:30 +0200
          Re: Thin Client Joel Roth <joelz@pobox.com> - 2017-03-29 10:30 +0200

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#179274 — Thin Client

Dear Group,

Has anybody put Debian onto a thin client?

If so what version?

I'm going to try soon, so if there's any guidance I'd appreciate it.

David.

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#179279

On Fri 24 Mar 2017 at 19:20:54 +0000, David wrote:

> Dear Group,
> 
> Has anybody put Debian onto a thin client?
> 
> If so what version?
> 
> I'm going to try soon, so if there's any guidance I'd appreciate it.

Much, much, much too wide a question. Please narrow it down to some
specfic client.

-- 
Brian.

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#179295

On Fri, 2017-03-24 at 19:48 +0000, Brian wrote:
> On Fri 24 Mar 2017 at 19:20:54 +0000, David wrote:
> 
> > Dear Group,
> > 
> > Has anybody put Debian onto a thin client?
> > 
> > If so what version?
> > 
> > I'm going to try soon, so if there's any guidance I'd appreciate
> > it.
> 
> Much, much, much too wide a question. Please narrow it down to some
> specfic client.
> 
The unit I am looking at is a 10ZiG RBT-470, seems to have a good
specification and is cheap.

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#179300

On Sat 25 Mar 2017 at 05:08:34 +0000, David wrote:

> On Fri, 2017-03-24 at 19:48 +0000, Brian wrote:
> > On Fri 24 Mar 2017 at 19:20:54 +0000, David wrote:
> > 
> > > Dear Group,
> > > 
> > > Has anybody put Debian onto a thin client?
> > > 
> > > If so what version?
> > > 
> > > I'm going to try soon, so if there's any guidance I'd appreciate
> > > it.
> > 
> > Much, much, much too wide a question. Please narrow it down to some
> > specfic client.
> > 
> The unit I am looking at is a 10ZiG RBT-470, seems to have a good
> specification and is cheap.

The ones I use are HP models. The hardware is standard, as I think yours
is, and they run Jessie. Two links:

 https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2016/05/msg00078.html
 http://www.parkytowers.me.uk/

The first might influence how well Stretch will run on the client. The
second is an excellent source of information on thin clients,

-- 
Brian.

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#179365

On Sat, Mar 25, 2017 at 05:08:34AM +0000, David wrote:
> On Fri, 2017-03-24 at 19:48 +0000, Brian wrote:
> > On Fri 24 Mar 2017 at 19:20:54 +0000, David wrote:
> > 
> > > Dear Group,
> > > 
> > > Has anybody put Debian onto a thin client?
> > > 
> > > If so what version?
> > > 
> > > I'm going to try soon, so if there's any guidance I'd appreciate
> > > it.
> > 
> > Much, much, much too wide a question. Please narrow it down to some
> > specfic client.
> > 
> The unit I am looking at is a 10ZiG RBT-470, seems to have a good
> specification and is cheap.


It looks like a 256MB RAM 400 MHz Pentium. Performance will be 
absolutely terrible compared to a $200 Chromebook converted over
to Linux.

That said, there's nothing preventing you from trying. Set up a 
standard PXE netboot and look for problems.

-dsr-

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#179368

On Sun, 2017-03-26 at 10:42 -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 25, 2017 at 05:08:34AM +0000, David wrote:
> > On Fri, 2017-03-24 at 19:48 +0000, Brian wrote:
> > > On Fri 24 Mar 2017 at 19:20:54 +0000, David wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Dear Group,
> > > > 
> > > > Has anybody put Debian onto a thin client?
> > > > 
> > > > If so what version?
> > > > 
> > > > I'm going to try soon, so if there's any guidance I'd
> > > > appreciate
> > > > it.
> > > 
> > > Much, much, much too wide a question. Please narrow it down to
> > > some
> > > specfic client.
> > > 
> > 
> > The unit I am looking at is a 10ZiG RBT-470, seems to have a good
> > specification and is cheap.
> 
> 
> It looks like a 256MB RAM 400 MHz Pentium. Performance will be 
> absolutely terrible compared to a $200 Chromebook converted over
> to Linux.
> 
> That said, there's nothing preventing you from trying. Set up a 
> standard PXE netboot and look for problems.
> 
> -dsr-
Thank you for the replies.

Brian, the URL's give useful information.

Dan, I'm not looking for desktop performance, I need a small and
economical to run 'box' where I need to leave a machine running 24
hours a day.

I currently have 4 Raspberry Pi's, 2 as DNS servers and 2 as Syslog
servers, I plan to try a thin client for this type of application.

David.

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#179375

On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 04:22:47PM +0100, David wrote:
> > It looks like a 256MB RAM 400 MHz Pentium. Performance will be 
> > absolutely terrible compared to a $200 Chromebook converted over
> > to Linux.
> > 
> > That said, there's nothing preventing you from trying. Set up a 
> > standard PXE netboot and look for problems.
> > 
> > -dsr-
> Thank you for the replies.
> 
> Brian, the URL's give useful information.
> 
> Dan, I'm not looking for desktop performance, I need a small and
> economical to run 'box' where I need to leave a machine running 24
> hours a day.
> 
> I currently have 4 Raspberry Pi's, 2 as DNS servers and 2 as Syslog
> servers, I plan to try a thin client for this type of application.

I don't see why you wouldn't use another Raspberry for this,
given their reasonable power draw and the fact that you already
have experience with them.

-dsr-

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#179380

On Sun 26 Mar 2017 at 12:23:04 -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 04:22:47PM +0100, David wrote:
> > > It looks like a 256MB RAM 400 MHz Pentium. Performance will be 
> > > absolutely terrible compared to a $200 Chromebook converted over
> > > to Linux.
> > > 
> > > That said, there's nothing preventing you from trying. Set up a 
> > > standard PXE netboot and look for problems.
> > > 
> > > -dsr-
> > Thank you for the replies.
> > 
> > Brian, the URL's give useful information.
> > 
> > Dan, I'm not looking for desktop performance, I need a small and
> > economical to run 'box' where I need to leave a machine running 24
> > hours a day.
> > 
> > I currently have 4 Raspberry Pi's, 2 as DNS servers and 2 as Syslog
> > servers, I plan to try a thin client for this type of application.
> 
> I don't see why you wouldn't use another Raspberry for this,
> given their reasonable power draw and the fact that you already
> have experience with them.

Although a Raspberry Pi is not particularly expensive, the 15 GBP
I paid for a brand new thin client was an attraction. It acts as
a print server. Do you want a list of printer manufacturers who do
not support Linux on the ARM architecture?

-- 
Brian.

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#179385

On Sun, 2017-03-26 at 18:25 +0100, Brian wrote:
> On Sun 26 Mar 2017 at 12:23:04 -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 04:22:47PM +0100, David wrote:
> > > > It looks like a 256MB RAM 400 MHz Pentium. Performance will be 
> > > > absolutely terrible compared to a $200 Chromebook converted
> > > > over
> > > > to Linux.
> > > > 
> > > > That said, there's nothing preventing you from trying. Set up
> > > > a 
> > > > standard PXE netboot and look for problems.
> > > > 
> > > > -dsr-
> > > 
> > > Thank you for the replies.
> > > 
> > > Brian, the URL's give useful information.
> > > 
> > > Dan, I'm not looking for desktop performance, I need a small and
> > > economical to run 'box' where I need to leave a machine running
> > > 24
> > > hours a day.
> > > 
> > > I currently have 4 Raspberry Pi's, 2 as DNS servers and 2 as
> > > Syslog
> > > servers, I plan to try a thin client for this type of
> > > application.
> > 
> > I don't see why you wouldn't use another Raspberry for this,
> > given their reasonable power draw and the fact that you already
> > have experience with them.
> 
> Although a Raspberry Pi is not particularly expensive, the 15 GBP
> I paid for a brand new thin client was an attraction. It acts as
> a print server. Do you want a list of printer manufacturers who do
> not support Linux on the ARM architecture?
> 
Brian, can you let me know where you buy your thin clients from?
The source I've found is 20 GBP for second hand.

David.

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#179391

On Sun 26 Mar 2017 at 18:55:08 +0100, David wrote:

> On Sun, 2017-03-26 at 18:25 +0100, Brian wrote:
> > 
> > Although a Raspberry Pi is not particularly expensive, the 15 GBP
> > I paid for a brand new thin client was an attraction. It acts as
> > a print server. Do you want a list of printer manufacturers who do
> > not support Linux on the ARM architecture?
> > 
> Brian, can you let me know where you buy your thin clients from?
> The source I've found is 20 GBP for second hand.

Off of Ebay. Doesn't everyone? :)

The one I mentioned is a Fujitsu A250. I think my purchase was a good
one but how can anyone work out how and why Ebay sellers pitch their
wares. The device works well for me, so I am satisfied.

Dan Ritter has a point though. If I were to buy anything similar now,
I'd consider the Raspberry - although it would mean leaving my comfort
zone of Debian.

Ebay (UK) has the HP T5730 for about 20 GBP. A 1GHz CPU. Not quite up to
processing HD video but a smart machine.

-- 
Brian.

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#179411

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On 03/26/2017 12:29 PM, Brian wrote:
>
> Off of Ebay. Doesn't everyone? :)
I think the statement has been changed or is changing to: "Off of Amazon. Doesn't everyone?" :> (no wars please just a joke).

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#179720

On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 06:25:51PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> Although a Raspberry Pi is not particularly expensive, the 15 GBP
> I paid for a brand new thin client was an attraction. It acts as
> a print server. Do you want a list of printer manufacturers who do
> not support Linux on the ARM architecture?

Yes please. Thanks!

-- 
The media's the most powerful entity on earth. 
They have the power to make the innocent guilty 
and to make the guilty innocent, and that's power.
 -- Malcolm X

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#179747

On Mon 03 Apr 2017 at 20:49:33 +1200, cbannister@slingshot.co.nz wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 06:25:51PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > Although a Raspberry Pi is not particularly expensive, the 15 GBP
> > I paid for a brand new thin client was an attraction. It acts as
> > a print server. Do you want a list of printer manufacturers who do
> > not support Linux on the ARM architecture?
> 
> Yes please. Thanks!

Brother, Canon and Samsung will do for a start.

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#179754

On 2017-04-03, Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:
> On Mon 03 Apr 2017 at 20:49:33 +1200, cbannister@slingshot.co.nz wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 06:25:51PM +0100, Brian wrote:
>> > Although a Raspberry Pi is not particularly expensive, the 15 GBP
>> > I paid for a brand new thin client was an attraction. It acts as
>> > a print server. Do you want a list of printer manufacturers who do
>> > not support Linux on the ARM architecture?
>> 
>> Yes please. Thanks!
>
> Brother, Canon and Samsung will do for a start.
>

A nice case in point for the Oxford comma, bro.


-- 
"It might be a vision--of a shell, of a wheelbarrow, of a fairy kingdom on the
far side of the hedge; or it might be the glory of speed; no one knew." --Mrs.
Ramsay, speculating on why her little daughter might be dashing about, in "To
the Lighthouse," by Virginia Woolf.

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#179756

On Mon 03 Apr 2017 at 17:53:32 +0000, Curt wrote:

> On 2017-04-03, Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:
> > On Mon 03 Apr 2017 at 20:49:33 +1200, cbannister@slingshot.co.nz wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 06:25:51PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> >> > Although a Raspberry Pi is not particularly expensive, the 15 GBP
> >> > I paid for a brand new thin client was an attraction. It acts as
> >> > a print server. Do you want a list of printer manufacturers who do
> >> > not support Linux on the ARM architecture?
> >> 
> >> Yes please. Thanks!
> >
> > Brother, Canon and Samsung will do for a start.
> 
> A nice case in point for the Oxford comma, bro.

You would really, really have to explain that in more detail. The
denizens of Barnsley and Scunthorpe await your response.

P.S. I am not anyone's "bro".

P.P.S. Should Lexmark, Ricoh and Oki be candidates for inclusion on
       the list?

-- 
Brian.

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#179770

On Mon, Apr 03, 2017 at 07:25:11PM +0100, Brian wrote:
>On Mon 03 Apr 2017 at 17:53:32 +0000, Curt wrote:
>
>> On 2017-04-03, Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:
>> > On Mon 03 Apr 2017 at 20:49:33 +1200, cbannister@slingshot.co.nz wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 06:25:51PM +0100, Brian wrote:
>> >> > Although a Raspberry Pi is not particularly expensive, the 15 GBP
>> >> > I paid for a brand new thin client was an attraction. It acts as
>> >> > a print server. Do you want a list of printer manufacturers who do
>> >> > not support Linux on the ARM architecture?
>> >>
>> >> Yes please. Thanks!
>> >
>> > Brother, Canon and Samsung will do for a start.
>>
>> A nice case in point for the Oxford comma, bro.
>
>You would really, really have to explain that in more detail. The
>denizens of Barnsley and Scunthorpe await your response.

The Oxford comma is a comma placed immedatiately before the conjunction
in a list of three or more items. It is often used to resolve the
ambiguity as to whether the last two items are paired or whether they
are separate members of the list.

So, in one reading "Brother, Canon and Samsung will do for a start" can
be read as an exhortation to ones brother, telling him about two printer
manufacturers. This ambiguity can be resolved by using the Oxford Comma
thusly "Brother, Canon, and Samsung will do for a start". In this
manner, it is clear that there are three members in the list.

>
>P.S. I am not anyone's "bro".
>
>P.P.S. Should Lexmark, Ricoh and Oki be candidates for inclusion on
>       the list?
>
>-- 
>Brian.

>

-- 
For more information, please reread.

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#179773

On Tue 04 Apr 2017 at 18:05:49 +0100, Darac Marjal wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 03, 2017 at 07:25:11PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> >On Mon 03 Apr 2017 at 17:53:32 +0000, Curt wrote:
> >
> >>On 2017-04-03, Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:
> >>> On Mon 03 Apr 2017 at 20:49:33 +1200, cbannister@slingshot.co.nz wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 06:25:51PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> >>>> > Although a Raspberry Pi is not particularly expensive, the 15 GBP
> >>>> > I paid for a brand new thin client was an attraction. It acts as
> >>>> > a print server. Do you want a list of printer manufacturers who do
> >>>> > not support Linux on the ARM architecture?
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes please. Thanks!
> >>>
> >>> Brother, Canon and Samsung will do for a start.
> >>
> >>A nice case in point for the Oxford comma, bro.
> >
> >You would really, really have to explain that in more detail. The
> >denizens of Barnsley and Scunthorpe await your response.
> 
> The Oxford comma is a comma placed immedatiately before the conjunction
> in a list of three or more items. It is often used to resolve the
> ambiguity as to whether the last two items are paired or whether they
> are separate members of the list.

Thank you very much for your explanation. There is no ambiguity in the
context of the question and for a clued-in reader.

Curt's remark was clever. Would there have been any response to

 Brother; Brother, Canon and Samsung will do for a start. ?

Not that I would have written that.

> So, in one reading "Brother, Canon and Samsung will do for a start" can
> be read as an exhortation to ones brother, telling him about two printer
> manufacturers. This ambiguity can be resolved by using the Oxford Comma
> thusly "Brother, Canon, and Samsung will do for a start". In this
> manner, it is clear that there are three members in the list.

Commas before the conjunction "and"? Not here. Rewrite the sentence should
there be any ambiguity.

  Samsung, Canon and Brother printer software will do for a start.

I am relieved the list of three printer manufacturers who do not have ARM
architecture support has not been challenged.

P.S. Isn't there a (should this be "an"?) Harvard comma too?

P.P.S. Could we do "trades unions" versus "trade union"? It's long 
       overdue.

-- 
Brian.

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#179795

On 2017-04-04, Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Commas before the conjunction "and"? Not here. Rewrite the sentence should
> there be any ambiguity.

Or or. Exempt from overtime pay in a dairy company in Portland, Me:

  The canning, processing, preserving, freezing, drying, marketing,
  storing, packing for shipment or distribution of:
  
  (three things)

"...packing for shipment or distribution of," or packing for shipment,
or distribution of...?

The ten million dollar question.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/16/us/oxford-comma-lawsuit.html?_r=0


-- 
"It might be a vision--of a shell, of a wheelbarrow, of a fairy kingdom on the
far side of the hedge; or it might be the glory of speed; no one knew." --Mrs.
Ramsay, speculating on why her little daughter might be dashing about, in "To
the Lighthouse," by Virginia Woolf.

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#179386

On Sun, 2017-03-26 at 12:23 -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 04:22:47PM +0100, David wrote:
> > > It looks like a 256MB RAM 400 MHz Pentium. Performance will be 
> > > absolutely terrible compared to a $200 Chromebook converted over
> > > to Linux.
> > > 
> > > That said, there's nothing preventing you from trying. Set up a 
> > > standard PXE netboot and look for problems.
> > > 
> > > -dsr-
> > 
> > Thank you for the replies.
> > 
> > Brian, the URL's give useful information.
> > 
> > Dan, I'm not looking for desktop performance, I need a small and
> > economical to run 'box' where I need to leave a machine running 24
> > hours a day.
> > 
> > I currently have 4 Raspberry Pi's, 2 as DNS servers and 2 as Syslog
> > servers, I plan to try a thin client for this type of application.
> 
> I don't see why you wouldn't use another Raspberry for this,
> given their reasonable power draw and the fact that you already
> have experience with them.
> 
> -dsr-
> 
Dan, that's perfectly true, but Raspbian and the Pi architecture does
have it's drawbacks, running true Debian could be an advantage.

David.

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#179723

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David writes:

> On Sun, 2017-03-26 at 12:23 -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:

[...]

> > I don't see why you wouldn't use another Raspberry for this,
> > given their reasonable power draw and the fact that you already
> > have experience with them.
> >
> > -dsr-
>
> Dan, that's perfectly true, but Raspbian and the Pi architecture does
> have it's drawbacks, running true Debian could be an advantage.

[...]

It is possible to use ``true Debian'' on a Raspberry Pi.
In my experience, the scripts presented in
https://github.com/drtyhlpr/rpi23-gen-image have worked well.

HTH
Linux-Fan

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