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  GPU advice for Debian stretch? Martin Read <zen75502@zen.co.uk> - 2017-04-05 15:00 +0200
    Re: GPU advice for Debian stretch? Joshua Schaeffer <jschaeffer0922@gmail.com> - 2017-04-05 19:30 +0200
      Re: GPU advice for Debian stretch? Martin Read <zen75502@zen.co.uk> - 2017-04-05 23:20 +0200
    Re: GPU advice for Debian stretch? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-04-05 19:40 +0200
    Re: GPU advice for Debian stretch? Teemu Likonen <tlikonen@iki.fi> - 2017-04-05 19:50 +0200
    Re: GPU advice for Debian stretch? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2017-04-05 20:10 +0200
      Re: GPU advice for Debian stretch? Nikunj Sharma <nsharma@tesla.com> - 2017-04-05 22:00 +0200

#179802 — GPU advice for Debian stretch?

I'm currently using an AMD "APU" system with integrated Radeon HD6530D 
graphics (yes, that's a component from 2011; the computer still works 
fine). This is kind of awkward when considering moving to stretch:

* The DKMS-support package for the fglrx proprietary driver will not be 
available for stretch.
* The radeon free driver *still* isn't on par with fglrx on my hardware. 
fglrx gave me OpenGL 4.4; radeon gives me 3.3 and visibly inferior 
performance.
* The amdgpu free driver (which I'm guessing won't be in stretch except 
via backports anyway) doesn't support my hardware.

I don't have the money to replace my computer right now, so I'm looking 
at the number-and-letter soup of PCI Express discrete graphics cards. 
Any recommendations? Not looking for some all-singing all-dancing thing 
with seventeen fans, just something that - with the drivers available 
for stretch - will get me at least as much performance and capability as 
my current chip achieves with its proprietary driver.

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I've used the following cards over the years without any issues in my Linux
boxes. They are typically higher end (at least at the time the series was
relevant) because I buy them for my Windows gaming machine, then when I
upgrade the graphic card I put the now old card in my main Linux
workstation:

   - Geforce GTX 680
   - Radeon HD 6970
   - Radeon HD 4670

However, Almost any discrete, modern, mainline card (Geforce or ATI) will
work. If you want to use proprietary drives then just check the
manufacturers website if that particular card has a Linux driver for
download. I haven't video card shopped in a bit, but last I checked Geforce
typcially provides good drivers for their cards on Linux and FreeBSD. I
believe ATI typically works closer with the opensource community and sends
their changes to the appropriate groups, but also has drivers available for
direct download.

There are also a lot of sites that offer compatibility databases. One of
these might be useful to you:

   - https://wiki.debian.org/Hardware
   - http://www.linux-drivers.org/

If you are looking for an exact answer of "Card *XYZ* works in Debian
Stretch with package *ABC*" then I don't have an answer for you. Could you
provide a little more detail about your requirements, like what you plan to
use the card for. Do you do any video editing, gaming, movie playback,
multi-monitor support, etc? Also, what is your price range? Are you sold on
using AMD? Any physical size requirements of the card?

Personally, right now, I use Geforce, not because they are necessarily
better or worst then ATI, but mostly for their shadow play technology, and
I feel their Linux support is better. There was a time when ATI was better
at multi-monitor support, but I think Geforce is pretty adequate at the
moment for up to 4 monitors.

Anyway, without more information I would recommend one of the following:

   - Radeon R7 250
   - Radeon R7 350 or 360
   - GTX 950 or 960

In my limited searching I also saw the Radeon 7750 come up, but disclaimer,
I know nothing about this card, so can't really recommend it. Looked decent
though. Once you find a card then perhaps somebody can tell you if that
exact card has any issue with Debian Stretch.

Thanks,
Joshua Schaeffer

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 6:51 AM, Martin Read <zen75502@zen.co.uk> wrote:

> I'm currently using an AMD "APU" system with integrated Radeon HD6530D
> graphics (yes, that's a component from 2011; the computer still works
> fine). This is kind of awkward when considering moving to stretch:
>
> * The DKMS-support package for the fglrx proprietary driver will not be
> available for stretch.
> * The radeon free driver *still* isn't on par with fglrx on my hardware.
> fglrx gave me OpenGL 4.4; radeon gives me 3.3 and visibly inferior
> performance.
> * The amdgpu free driver (which I'm guessing won't be in stretch except
> via backports anyway) doesn't support my hardware.
>
> I don't have the money to replace my computer right now, so I'm looking at
> the number-and-letter soup of PCI Express discrete graphics cards. Any
> recommendations? Not looking for some all-singing all-dancing thing with
> seventeen fans, just something that - with the drivers available for
> stretch - will get me at least as much performance and capability as my
> current chip achieves with its proprietary driver.
>
>

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On 05/04/17 18:25, Joshua Schaeffer wrote:
> If you are looking for an exact answer of "Card /XYZ/ works in Debian
> Stretch with package /ABC/" then I don't have an answer for you. Could
> you provide a little more detail about your requirements, like what you
> plan to use the card for. Do you do any video editing, gaming, movie
> playback, multi-monitor support, etc? Also, what is your price range?
> Are you sold on using AMD? Any physical size requirements of the card?

Requirements:

* Provides a decent frame rate and scroll/zoom smoothness for _Europa 
Universalis IV_ and _Stellaris_.
* Costs less than £100 absolute maximum.
* Has good software support in Debian stretch-with-nonfree

Don't care about the chipset vendor, and size is not particularly an 
issue. Going by other remarks in this thread and double-checking the 
advertised requirements of the games, it sounds like a GeForce GT 710 
might well be sufficient for my desires (and I can get one by internet 
mail order for under £50 inc. delivery e.g.
https://www.shop.bt.com/products/zotac-geforce-gt-710-2gb-ddr3-pcie-2-0-dvi-d-sub-hdmi-zt-71302-20l-CP8C.html?refs=57430000 
)

Anything that *needs* more GPU than that probably also needs more CPU 
than I've got.

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Martin Read composed on 2017-04-05 13:51 (UTC+0100):

> I'm currently using an AMD "APU" system with integrated Radeon HD6530D
> graphics (yes, that's a component from 2011; the computer still works
> fine). This is kind of awkward when considering moving to stretch:

> * The DKMS-support package for the fglrx proprietary driver will not be
> available for stretch.
> * The radeon free driver *still* isn't on par with fglrx on my hardware.
> fglrx gave me OpenGL 4.4; radeon gives me 3.3 and visibly inferior
> performance.
> * The amdgpu free driver (which I'm guessing won't be in stretch except
> via backports anyway) doesn't support my hardware.

> I don't have the money to replace my computer right now, so I'm looking
> at the number-and-letter soup of PCI Express discrete graphics cards.
> Any recommendations? Not looking for some all-singing all-dancing thing
> with seventeen fans, just something that - with the drivers available
> for stretch - will get me at least as much performance and capability as
> my current chip achieves with its proprietary driver.

Have you tried removing all gfxchip-specific drivers? That should result in your 
6530 using the integral modeset(0) driver, which has become the default for 
Intel gfxchips and works for most NVidia and AMD/ATI.
-- 
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words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

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Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/

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Martin Read [2017-04-05 13:51:46+01] wrote:

> I don't have the money to replace my computer right now, so I'm
> looking at the number-and-letter soup of PCI Express discrete graphics
> cards. Any recommendations? Not looking for some all-singing
> all-dancing thing with seventeen fans, just something that - with the
> drivers available for stretch - will get me at least as much
> performance and capability as my current chip achieves with its
> proprietary driver.

All-singing all-dancing (and powerful) Geforce GTX 1080 works well with
Strecth's nvidia-driver and related packages. I use it in Debian 8 with
backported drivers. I'd conclude that Debian's support for quite modern
Nvidia cards is good.

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#179821

Martin Read wrote:

> I'm currently using an AMD "APU" system with integrated Radeon HD6530D
> graphics (yes, that's a component from 2011; the computer still works
> fine). This is kind of awkward when considering moving to stretch:

happened to me also when upgading ubuntu 12 to ubuntu 16 and had to find out
ati had no support, which resulted in poor quality and rendered all
unusable. I had to downgrade to ubuntu 12. A stupid story. There could be
at least a warning somewhere when upgrading X & co.

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#179826

Can you please remove siwzhang@tesla.com from mail list. He is no more with company and I am getting all his emails.





On 4/5/17, 11:03 AM, "deloptes" <deloptes@gmail.com> wrote:

    Martin Read wrote:
    
    > I'm currently using an AMD "APU" system with integrated Radeon HD6530D
    > graphics (yes, that's a component from 2011; the computer still works
    > fine). This is kind of awkward when considering moving to stretch:
    
    happened to me also when upgading ubuntu 12 to ubuntu 16 and had to find out
    ati had no support, which resulted in poor quality and rendered all
    unusable. I had to downgrade to ubuntu 12. A stupid story. There could be
    at least a warning somewhere when upgrading X & co.
    
    
    
    
    

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