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| Started by | kAt <giathnygeia@openmailbox.org> |
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| First post | 2017-03-26 19:40 +0200 |
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DD bs=4M option on USB mem-stick creates false format kAt <giathnygeia@openmailbox.org> - 2017-03-26 19:40 +0200
Re: DD bs=4M option on USB mem-stick creates false format Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org.uk> - 2017-03-26 19:50 +0200
Re: DD bs=4M option on USB mem-stick creates false format Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-03-26 20:00 +0200
Re: DD bs=4M option on USB mem-stick creates false format kAt <giathnygeia@openmailbox.org> - 2017-03-26 20:10 +0200
Re: DD bs=4M option on USB mem-stick creates false format "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2017-03-26 20:20 +0200
Re: DD bs=4M option on USB mem-stick creates false format kAt <giathnygeia@openmailbox.org> - 2017-03-27 12:20 +0200
Re: DD bs=4M option on USB mem-stick creates false format "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2017-03-27 14:20 +0200
Re: DD bs=4M option on USB mem-stick creates false format "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2017-03-27 14:40 +0200
Re: DD bs=4M option on USB mem-stick creates false format "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2017-03-28 12:20 +0200
Re: DD bs=4M option on USB mem-stick creates false format Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-03-28 14:00 +0200
Re: DD bs=4M option on USB mem-stick creates false format <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-03-28 14:20 +0200
Re: DD bs=4M option on USB mem-stick creates false format Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-03-28 15:50 +0200
Re: DD bs=4M option on USB mem-stick creates false format <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-03-28 15:50 +0200
Re: DD bs=4M option on USB mem-stick creates false format "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2017-03-28 16:30 +0200
Re: DD bs=4M option on USB mem-stick creates false format Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-03-28 17:40 +0200
Re: DD bs=4M option on USB mem-stick creates false format "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2017-03-28 19:10 +0200
Re: DD bs=4M option on USB mem-stick creates false format "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2017-03-28 14:20 +0200
Re: DD bs=4M option on USB mem-stick creates false format <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-03-28 14:20 +0200
Re: DD bs=4M option on USB mem-stick creates false format Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-03-28 14:40 +0200
Re: DD bs=4M option on USB mem-stick creates false format Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-03-28 15:20 +0200
Re: DD bs=4M option on USB mem-stick creates false format songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2017-03-28 19:30 +0200
Re: DD bs=4M option on USB mem-stick creates false format "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2017-03-28 20:40 +0200
Re: DD bs=4M option on USB mem-stick creates false format songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2017-03-29 07:50 +0200
Re: DD bs=4M option on USB mem-stick creates false format "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2017-03-29 10:30 +0200
Re: DD bs=4M option on USB mem-stick creates false format "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2017-03-29 12:20 +0200
Re: DD bs=4M option on USB mem-stick creates false format "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2017-03-29 12:40 +0200
Re: DD bs=4M option on USB mem-stick creates false format kAt <giathnygeia@openmailbox.org> - 2017-03-29 00:50 +0200
Re: DD bs=4M option on USB mem-stick creates false format songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2017-03-29 07:50 +0200
Re: DD bs=4M option on USB mem-stick creates false format "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2017-03-29 10:20 +0200
Re: DD bs=4M option on USB mem-stick creates false format kAt <giathnygeia@openmailbox.org> - 2017-03-29 22:30 +0200
Re: DD bs=4M option on USB mem-stick creates false format "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2017-03-30 00:00 +0200
Re: DD bs=4M option on USB mem-stick creates false format Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2017-03-29 16:40 +0200
Re:Movie 'n Book recommendations by Curt kAt <giathnygeia@openmailbox.org> - 2017-03-29 22:10 +0200
Re: Movie 'n Book recommendations by Curt Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2017-03-29 23:40 +0200
Re: Movie 'n Book recommendations by Curt kAt <giathnygeia@openmailbox.org> - 2017-03-30 20:10 +0200
Re: Movie 'n Book recommendations by Curt Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2017-03-30 20:20 +0200
Re: Movie 'n Book recommendations by Curt Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-03-30 20:50 +0200
Re: Movie 'n Book recommendations by Curt Catherine Gramze <rhiamom@mac.com> - 2017-03-30 20:30 +0200
Re: Movie 'n Book recommendations by Curt Eike Lantzsch <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2017-03-30 20:40 +0200
Re: Movie 'n Book recommendations by Curt John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2017-03-30 21:30 +0200
Re: Movie 'n Book recommendations by Curt Terence <terence.john@gmail.com> - 2017-03-30 22:00 +0200
Re: Movie 'n Book recommendations by Curt Catherine Gramze <rhiamom@mac.com> - 2017-03-30 22:40 +0200
Re: Movie 'n Book recommendations by Curt Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2017-03-31 00:20 +0200
Re: Movie 'n Book recommendations by Curt Catherine Gramze <rhiamom@mac.com> - 2017-03-31 01:30 +0200
Re: Movie 'n Book recommendations by Curt Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2017-03-31 09:50 +0200
Re: Movie 'n Book recommendations by Curt Terence <terence.john@gmail.com> - 2017-03-31 12:40 +0200
OT: speaking of days (weeks, months, years, etc.) (was: Re: Movie 'n Book recommendations by Curt) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2017-03-31 15:10 +0200
Re: OT: speaking of days (weeks, months, years, etc.) (was: Re: Movie 'n Book recommendations by Curt) Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2017-03-31 15:40 +0200
Re: OT: speaking of days (weeks, months, years, etc.) (was: Re: Movie 'n Book recommendations by Curt) Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2017-03-31 15:50 +0200
Re: OT: speaking of days (weeks, months, years, etc.) (was: Re: Movie 'n Book recommendations by Curt) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2017-03-31 16:20 +0200
Re: OT: speaking of days (weeks, months, years, etc.) (was: Re: Movie 'n Book recommendations by Curt) Eike Lantzsch <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2017-03-31 16:30 +0200
Re: OT: speaking of days (weeks, months, years, etc.) (was: Re: Movie 'n Book recommendations by Curt) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2017-03-31 18:00 +0200
Re: OT: speaking of days (weeks, months, years, etc.) kAt <giathnygeia@openmailbox.org> - 2017-04-01 00:20 +0200
Re: OT: speaking of days (weeks, months, years, etc.) (was: Re: Movie 'n Book recommendations by Curt) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2017-03-31 16:20 +0200
Re: OT: speaking of days (weeks, months, years, etc.) (was: Re: Movie 'n Book recommendations by Curt) Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2017-03-31 17:00 +0200
Re: OT: speaking of days (weeks, months, years, etc.) (was: Re: Movie 'n Book recommendations by Curt) Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2017-04-01 19:20 +0200
Re: OT: speaking of days (weeks, months, years, etc.) (was: Re: Movie 'n Book recommendations by Curt) Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2017-04-01 20:10 +0200
Re: OT: speaking of days (weeks, months, years, etc.) (was: Re: Movie 'n Book recommendations by Curt) Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2017-04-01 21:30 +0200
Re: OT: speaking of days (weeks, months, years, etc.) Peter Hillier-Brook <phb@hbsys.plus.com> - 2017-03-31 17:20 +0200
Re: OT: speaking of days (weeks, months, years, etc.) kAt <giathnygeia@openmailbox.org> - 2017-04-01 00:20 +0200
Re: OT: speaking of days (weeks, months, years, etc.) Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2017-04-01 00:50 +0200
Re: OT: speaking of days (weeks, months, years, etc.) GiaThnYgeia <GiaThnYgeia@openmailbox.org> - 2017-04-01 18:10 +0200
Re: OT: speaking of days (weeks, months, years, etc.) Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2017-03-31 16:50 +0200
Re: OT: speaking of days (weeks, months, years, etc.) Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2017-03-31 17:00 +0200
Re: OT: speaking of days (weeks, months, years, etc.) Eike Lantzsch <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2017-03-31 17:10 +0200
Re: OT: speaking of days (weeks, months, years, etc.) kAt <giathnygeia@openmailbox.org> - 2017-04-01 00:40 +0200
Re: DD bs=4M option on USB mem-stick creates false format Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2017-03-27 21:00 +0200
Re: DD bs=4M option on USB mem-stick creates false format "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2017-03-27 21:50 +0200
Re: DD bs=4M option on USB mem-stick creates false format David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2017-03-27 06:10 +0200
Re: DD bs=4M option on USB mem-stick creates false format kAt <giathnygeia@openmailbox.org> - 2017-03-27 14:10 +0200
Re: DD bs=4M option on USB mem-stick creates false format rhkramer@gmail.com - 2017-03-27 14:30 +0200
Re: DD bs=4M option on USB mem-stick creates false format Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2017-03-27 14:40 +0200
Re: DD bs=4M option on USB mem-stick creates false format "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2017-03-27 15:10 +0200
Re: DD bs=4M option on USB mem-stick creates false format David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2017-03-27 20:20 +0200
Re: DD bs=4M option on USB mem-stick creates false format Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2017-03-28 00:00 +0200
Re: DD bs=4M option on USB mem-stick creates false format David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2017-03-27 19:40 +0200
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| From | Terence <terence.john@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-30 22:00 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Movie 'n Book recommendations by Curt |
| Message-ID | <tqOoF-2NT-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #179608 |
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Lisi asks "And is London "up" or "down"from York?" London is "up". "Up trains" were those travelling to London terminii, "Down trains" departed from London terminii to other parts of the rail network. On the other hand, if you "Take The 'A' Train" Sugar Hill is "up in Harlem". As they say in "Private Eye", I don't get out much... Terence On 30 March 2017 at 20:28, John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> wrote: > Eike Lantzsch writes: > > the Dutch in New Netherland were called "Jan Kees". New Netherland > > became mostly New York and the locals became "Yankees". So somebody > > from South Carolina may feel that he himself must not be considered to > > be a "Yankee". Whether the nickname for the Dutch was just friendly > > banter or derogative, I don't know. > > It gets more complicated yet. Look up the song "Yankee Doodle". > -- > John Hasler > jhasler@newsguy.com > Elmwood, WI USA > >
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| From | Catherine Gramze <rhiamom@mac.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-30 22:40 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Movie 'n Book recommendations by Curt |
| Message-ID | <tqP1n-3lj-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #179610 |
> On Mar 30, 2017, at 3:56 PM, Terence <terence.john@gmail.com> wrote: > > Lisi asks "And is London "up" or "down"from York?" > > London is "up". "Up trains" were those travelling to London terminii, "Down trains" departed from London terminii to other parts of the rail network. I have run across people to whom "uptown" refers to the central area of only a very large city, and "downtown" is everyplace else - and vice versa. > > On the other hand, if you "Take The 'A' Train" Sugar Hill is "up in Harlem". Manhattan is a special well-defined case where going "up" or "down" refers to the street numbers. 109th St. is "up" from 54th St. The numbers go from the southwest tip of the island northeast, and they are all numbered streets. Very handy. > > As they say in "Private Eye", I don't get out much.. This reminds me of the time a professor gave a coding assignment on Tuesday, due "next Thursday." To most of the class that meant in 2 days, rather than next week. Hilarity ensued. But I think the Brits have it right, with "Thursday" meaning in two days, and "Thursday next" meaning next week. (I may be imagining this difference in clarity, though.) Cathy
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| From | Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-31 00:20 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Movie 'n Book recommendations by Curt |
| Message-ID | <tqQAb-4sB-33@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #179612 |
On Thursday 30 March 2017 21:22:57 Catherine Gramze wrote: > This reminds me of the time a professor gave a coding assignment on > Tuesday, due "next Thursday." To most of the class that meant in 2 days, > rather than next week. Hilarity ensued. But I think the Brits have it > right, with "Thursday" meaning in two days, and "Thursday next" meaning > next week. (I may be imagining this difference in clarity, though.) All the Brits I know say "next Thursday" with exactly the ambiguity mentioned. Cue every Brit who disagrees, from among the very large number of Brits whom I do not know!! Lisi
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| From | Catherine Gramze <rhiamom@mac.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-31 01:30 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Movie 'n Book recommendations by Curt |
| Message-ID | <tqRFT-55I-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #179620 |
> On Mar 30, 2017, at 6:10 PM, Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Thursday 30 March 2017 21:22:57 Catherine Gramze wrote: >> This reminds me of the time a professor gave a coding assignment on >> Tuesday, due "next Thursday." To most of the class that meant in 2 days, >> rather than next week. Hilarity ensued. But I think the Brits have it >> right, with "Thursday" meaning in two days, and "Thursday next" meaning >> next week. (I may be imagining this difference in clarity, though.) > > All the Brits I know say "next Thursday" with exactly the ambiguity mentioned. > > Cue every Brit who disagrees, from among the very large number of Brits whom I > do not know!! > Cruel of you to disabuse me of my happy illusion of Brit linguistic superiority. Next, you'll be telling me it's spelled aluminium.... Cathy
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| From | Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> |
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| Date | 2017-03-31 09:50 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Movie 'n Book recommendations by Curt |
| Message-ID | <tqZtL-1Du-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #179610 |
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On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 08:56:25PM +0100, Terence wrote: > Lisi asks "And is London "up" or "down"from York?" > > London is "up". "Up trains" were those travelling to London terminii, "Down > trains" departed from London terminii to other parts of the rail network. That's an interesting, if historical, explanation. These days York is definitely up from London. (Writing from Newcastle, up from London and York.) -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.
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| From | Terence <terence.john@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-31 12:40 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Movie 'n Book recommendations by Curt |
| Message-ID | <tr28i-3pV-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #179627 |
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There is no ambiguity if (as I have always understood) "Thursday" means "this (or the coming) Thursday" and "next Thursday" or "Thursday next" means "a week on Thursday". And having lived in Yorkshire for two very happy years, I would agree that York is above London in so many ways... Terence On 31 March 2017 at 08:43, Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> wrote: > On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 08:56:25PM +0100, Terence wrote: > > Lisi asks "And is London "up" or "down"from York?" > > > > London is "up". "Up trains" were those travelling to London terminii, > "Down > > trains" departed from London terminii to other parts of the rail network. > > That's an interesting, if historical, explanation. These days York is > definitely > up from London. > > (Writing from Newcastle, up from London and York.) > > -- > ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ > ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland > ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net > ⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list. >
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| From | rhkramer@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2017-03-31 15:10 +0200 |
| Subject | OT: speaking of days (weeks, months, years, etc.) (was: Re: Movie 'n Book recommendations by Curt) |
| Message-ID | <tr4ts-52J-33@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #179630 |
On Friday, March 31, 2017 06:30:25 AM Terence wrote: > There is no ambiguity if (as I have always understood) "Thursday" means > "this (or the coming) Thursday" and "next Thursday" or "Thursday next" > means "a week on Thursday". > > And having lived in Yorkshire for two very happy years, I would agree that > York is above London in so many ways... To me, all that has been discussed is (potentially) confusing and ambiguous. To me, I prefer the following--ohh, most of the examples assume that the current day is not Thursday (but maybe that makes no difference): Thursday can refer either to the coming Thursday or the previous Thursday based on the context, for example: On Thursday, we played baseball. (obvious (to me) that was the (just) previous Thursday) The paper is due on Thursday. (obvious (to me) that is the (just) coming Thursday) Last Thursday, we played baseball. (clear to me, but the "last" is redundant and may be ambiguous to some--might some mean the Thursday before the most recent??) The paper is due next Thursday. (clear to me, but the "next" is redundant and is ambiguous to some--some seem to mean the Thursday after the coming / really next Thursday) The paper is due Thursday next. (clear to me, but the "next" is redundant and is ambiguous to some--some seem to mean the Thursday after the coming / really next Thursday--it might be a Briticism (to coin or mangle a word)) To specify the Thursday before the last Thursday, use something like: "the Thursday before last Thursday". To specify the Thursday after the coming Thursday, use something like: "the Thursday after next Thursday". Use similar constructs for other days, weeks, months, years, millennia, minutes, hours, etc., or better, specify a date, year, time, or similar. I'm not aware of whether the grammar lords have established a clear preferred usage pattern--if they have, I'm sure it differs on the two sides of the Atlantic. (Maybe this is my subconcious bid to become a grammar lord?? Uuh, I think I'll shut up now, I'd hate to be tagged with that label.) Randy Kramer
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| From | Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-31 15:40 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: OT: speaking of days (weeks, months, years, etc.) (was: Re: Movie 'n Book recommendations by Curt) |
| Message-ID | <tr4Wu-5cZ-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #179636 |
On Friday 31 March 2017 14:04:03 rhkramer@gmail.com wrote: > To specify the Thursday before the last Thursday, use something like: "the > Thursday before last Thursday". > > To specify the Thursday after the coming Thursday, use something like: "the > Thursday after next Thursday". Great - all fine in theory. But you try announcing a meeting that way!!! Here in England we debate it, meaning that I and my husband disagree. When I say "next Thursday", I mean the Thursday next week. When he says next Thursday he means the next Thursday to arrive, i.e. this Thursday. We are both English, but I Cockney-born and he Yorkshire. And let us clear up another misunderstanding while we are at it. The other side of the pond you appear to be under a delusion that there is such a thing as British anything, including English. Try telling that to the Welsh, the Irish and the Scots! Lisi
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| From | Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> |
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| Date | 2017-03-31 15:50 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: OT: speaking of days (weeks, months, years, etc.) (was: Re: Movie 'n Book recommendations by Curt) |
| Message-ID | <tr56a-5gO-17@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #179640 |
On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 02:34:26PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > Great - all fine in theory. But you try announcing a meeting that way!!! > Here in England we debate it, meaning that I and my husband disagree. When I > say "next Thursday", I mean the Thursday next week. When he says next > Thursday he means the next Thursday to arrive, i.e. this Thursday. We are > both English, but I Cockney-born and he Yorkshire. For whatever it's worth, here in Ohio, "next Thursday" would mean the Thursday that occurs in the next calendar week. "This Thursday" means the Thursday that occurs (or occurred) in the current calendar week, though you'd need to use the past tense when saying it today, or people would get very confused. If you want to be clear, just include the numeric date. Your meeting would be "Thursday, April 6th". English is hilarious.
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| From | rhkramer@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2017-03-31 16:20 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: OT: speaking of days (weeks, months, years, etc.) (was: Re: Movie 'n Book recommendations by Curt) |
| Message-ID | <tr5zc-5Hc-23@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #179643 |
On Friday, March 31, 2017 09:45:59 AM Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 02:34:26PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > Great - all fine in theory. But you try announcing a meeting that way!!! > > Here in England we debate it, meaning that I and my husband disagree. > > When I say "next Thursday", I mean the Thursday next week. When he says > > next Thursday he means the next Thursday to arrive, i.e. this Thursday. > > We are both English, but I Cockney-born and he Yorkshire. > > For whatever it's worth, here in Ohio, "next Thursday" would mean the > Thursday that occurs in the next calendar week. "This Thursday" means > the Thursday that occurs (or occurred) in the current calendar week, > though you'd need to use the past tense when saying it today, or people > would get very confused. Interesting! (I guess I've run into that meaning without really realizing it...) > If you want to be clear, just include the numeric date. Your meeting > would be "Thursday, April 6th". > > English is hilarious. +10
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| From | Eike Lantzsch <zp6cge@gmx.net> |
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| Date | 2017-03-31 16:30 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: OT: speaking of days (weeks, months, years, etc.) (was: Re: Movie 'n Book recommendations by Curt) |
| Message-ID | <tr5IS-5Lu-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #179645 |
On Friday, 31 March 2017 10:18:24 -04 rhkramer@gmail.com wrote: > On Friday, March 31, 2017 09:45:59 AM Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 02:34:26PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > Great - all fine in theory. But you try announcing a meeting that > > > way!!! > > > Here in England we debate it, meaning that I and my husband disagree. > > > When I say "next Thursday", I mean the Thursday next week. When he says > > > next Thursday he means the next Thursday to arrive, i.e. this Thursday. > > > We are both English, but I Cockney-born and he Yorkshire. > > > > For whatever it's worth, here in Ohio, "next Thursday" would mean the > > Thursday that occurs in the next calendar week. "This Thursday" means > > the Thursday that occurs (or occurred) in the current calendar week, > > though you'd need to use the past tense when saying it today, or people > > would get very confused. > > Interesting! (I guess I've run into that meaning without really realizing > it...) > > > If you want to be clear, just include the numeric date. Your meeting > > would be "Thursday, April 6th". > > > > English is hilarious. > > +10 Ambiguity often is good and can be used to postpone fruitless discussions: Coworker: "When will this be ready?" Me: "On Thursday." on closest Thursday -> Coworker: "Hey, is XX ready?" Me: "No." Coworker: "You said it will be ready on Thursday." Me: "Did I indicate which Thursday?" Coworker: "!!" now starting fruitless discussion
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| From | Curt <curty@free.fr> |
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| Date | 2017-03-31 18:00 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: OT: speaking of days (weeks, months, years, etc.) (was: Re: Movie 'n Book recommendations by Curt) |
| Message-ID | <tr77X-6xs-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #179643 |
On 2017-03-31, Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> wrote: > > For whatever it's worth, here in Ohio, "next Thursday" would mean the > Thursday that occurs in the next calendar week. "This Thursday" means > the Thursday that occurs (or occurred) in the current calendar week, > though you'd need to use the past tense when saying it today, or people > would get very confused. Someone once taught me a song about Ohio. It went something like this: Oh why oh why oh why oh, Did I ever leave Ohio. Never forgot that song. > If you want to be clear, just include the numeric date. Your meeting > would be "Thursday, April 6th". 2018. Trouble with you people is you don't get out on some of the other days of the week. > English is hilarious. > > -- "It might be a vision--of a shell, of a wheelbarrow, of a fairy kingdom on the far side of the hedge; or it might be the glory of speed; no one knew." --Mrs. Ramsay, speculating on why her little daughter might be dashing about, in "To the Lighthouse," by Virginia Woolf.
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| From | kAt <giathnygeia@openmailbox.org> |
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| Date | 2017-04-01 00:20 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: OT: speaking of days (weeks, months, years, etc.) |
| Message-ID | <trd3I-26A-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #179655 |
Curt: > Trouble with you people is you don't get out on some of the other days > of the week. Us people who? >> English is hilarious It must be the only language in the world that you can adequately communicate with a vocabulary of less than 400 words including grammatical forms of the same root. What is so poetic about it is that you can hide so much behind this poverty of words and grammar. Something that you can not do with scientifically structured languages like German or Greek. It is very hard to take back the content of a statement in such languages, while in English you can always misinterpret your own statements when you've gone too far!
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| From | rhkramer@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2017-03-31 16:20 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: OT: speaking of days (weeks, months, years, etc.) (was: Re: Movie 'n Book recommendations by Curt) |
| Message-ID | <tr5zb-5Hc-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #179640 |
On Friday, March 31, 2017 09:34:26 AM Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Friday 31 March 2017 14:04:03 rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
> > To specify the Thursday before the last Thursday, use something like:
> > "the Thursday before last Thursday".
> >
> > To specify the Thursday after the coming Thursday, use something like:
> > "the Thursday after next Thursday".
>
> Great - all fine in theory. But you try announcing a meeting that way!!!
> Here in England we debate it, meaning that I and my husband disagree. When
> I say "next Thursday", I mean the Thursday next week. When he says next
> Thursday he means the next Thursday to arrive, i.e. this Thursday. We are
> both English, but I Cockney-born and he Yorkshire.
And you're still married? ;-)
>
> And let us clear up another misunderstanding while we are at it. The other
> side of the pond you appear to be under a delusion that there is such a
> thing as British anything, including English. Try telling that to the
> Welsh, the Irish and the Scots!
Similar to the situation on this side of the pond, for example north and
south, or New England, California, Pennsylvania Dutch ("throw your father down
the stairs his hat" ;-), and other parts of the US (or Canada).
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| From | Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-31 17:00 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: OT: speaking of days (weeks, months, years, etc.) (was: Re: Movie 'n Book recommendations by Curt) |
| Message-ID | <tr6bU-5VY-27@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #179644 |
On Friday 31 March 2017 15:15:46 rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, March 31, 2017 09:34:26 AM Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Friday 31 March 2017 14:04:03 rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
> > > To specify the Thursday before the last Thursday, use something like:
> > > "the Thursday before last Thursday".
> > >
> > > To specify the Thursday after the coming Thursday, use something like:
> > > "the Thursday after next Thursday".
> >
> > Great - all fine in theory. But you try announcing a meeting that way!!!
> > Here in England we debate it, meaning that I and my husband disagree.
> > When I say "next Thursday", I mean the Thursday next week. When he says
> > next Thursday he means the next Thursday to arrive, i.e. this Thursday.
> > We are both English, but I Cockney-born and he Yorkshire.
>
> And you're still married? ;-)
>
> > And let us clear up another misunderstanding while we are at it. The
> > other side of the pond you appear to be under a delusion that there is
> > such a thing as British anything, including English. Try telling that to
> > the Welsh, the Irish and the Scots!
>
> Similar to the situation on this side of the pond, for example north and
> south, or New England, California, Pennsylvania Dutch ("throw your father
> down the stairs his hat" ;-), and other parts of the US (or Canada).
Not quite. California and New England are, so far, part of the same nation.
We are part of the same sovereign state, but 4 nations.
Lisi
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| From | Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-01 19:20 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: OT: speaking of days (weeks, months, years, etc.) (was: Re: Movie 'n Book recommendations by Curt) |
| Message-ID | <truQV-5GB-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #179649 |
On 2017-03-31, Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> wrote: (...) > We are part of the same sovereign state, but 4 nations. When you consider some of the Irish, yes. Most Irish people live in a different sovereign state. -- Liam
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| From | Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-01 20:10 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: OT: speaking of days (weeks, months, years, etc.) (was: Re: Movie 'n Book recommendations by Curt) |
| Message-ID | <trvDk-6eB-13@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #179692 |
On Saturday 01 April 2017 18:11:12 Liam O'Toole wrote: > On 2017-03-31, Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> wrote: > > (...) > > > We are part of the same sovereign state, but 4 nations. > > When you consider some of the Irish, yes. Most Irish people live in a > different sovereign state. Agreed!!! But the United Kingdom has 4 nations in it. It is one Sovereign State (for a little while longer anyway) but 4 nations. The fact that one of those nations has temporarily been split in two by history is a separate issue. You surely wouldn't dispute that it is a discrete nation? Lisi
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| From | Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-01 21:30 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: OT: speaking of days (weeks, months, years, etc.) (was: Re: Movie 'n Book recommendations by Curt) |
| Message-ID | <trwSK-6VO-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #179694 |
On 2017-04-01, Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> wrote: > On Saturday 01 April 2017 18:11:12 Liam O'Toole wrote: >> On 2017-03-31, Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> (...) >> >> > We are part of the same sovereign state, but 4 nations. >> >> When you consider some of the Irish, yes. Most Irish people live in a >> different sovereign state. > > Agreed!!! But the United Kingdom has 4 nations in it. It is one Sovereign > State (for a little while longer anyway) but 4 nations. The fact that one of > those nations has temporarily been split in two by history is a separate > issue. You surely wouldn't dispute that it is a discrete nation? > > Lisi No, not at all. (In fact, I see the UK as consisting of three nations plus a bit of someone else's nation.) I wanted to dispel the frequently encountered notion that the UK extends to all of Britain and Ireland. Your original statement above, unqualified, could be seen to perpetuate that misconception. -- Liam
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| From | Peter Hillier-Brook <phb@hbsys.plus.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-31 17:20 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: OT: speaking of days (weeks, months, years, etc.) |
| Message-ID | <tr6vg-6i4-13@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #179640 |
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On 31/03/17 14:34, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Friday 31 March 2017 14:04:03 rhkramer@gmail.com wrote: >> To specify the Thursday before the last Thursday, use something like: "the >> Thursday before last Thursday". >> >> To specify the Thursday after the coming Thursday, use something like: "the >> Thursday after next Thursday". > > Great - all fine in theory. But you try announcing a meeting that way!!! > Here in England we debate it, meaning that I and my husband disagree. When I > say "next Thursday", I mean the Thursday next week. When he says next > Thursday he means the next Thursday to arrive, i.e. this Thursday. We are > both English, but I Cockney-born and he Yorkshire. By definition you're wrong| A Yorkshireman trumps anyone else. :-) > And let us clear up another misunderstanding while we are at it. The other > side of the pond you appear to be under a delusion that there is such a thing > as British anything, including English. Try telling that to the Welsh, the > Irish and the Scots! Too right. English is the source of all the other dialects and it's tautological to prepend 'British' when referring to the language used in Great Britain.
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| From | kAt <giathnygeia@openmailbox.org> |
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| Date | 2017-04-01 00:20 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: OT: speaking of days (weeks, months, years, etc.) |
| Message-ID | <trd3I-26A-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #179640 |
Lisi Reisz: > And let us clear up another misunderstanding while we are at it. The other > side of the pond you appear to be under a delusion that there is such a thing > as British anything, including English. Try telling that to the Welsh, the > Irish and the Scots! There is nevertheless an English domination in culture and communication, on both sides of the pond, even though in N.America the English (not British) identification as origin is way down on the list of origins, in terms of numbers. As there is a domination of the industrial North and elitism against the dominated South. As there is a domination of European origin in South Africa, in NZ, and Australia, among other places. There are those who have put up one hell of a struggle against domination and those who have done very little, and those who were assimilated into the dominant group, which is what dominators prefer best. And we all know about the Irish, maybe a little about the Scots too. What was that other group? Debian should not be an instrument of domination but should be equally belonging to everyone. This is why looking "down" at anybody should not be tolerated. Not in a Debian community at least! > Lisi >From .onion land have a good weekend
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