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| Started by | Adrian O'Dell <crimsonmane@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2017-03-16 16:30 +0100 |
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Re: Suggested edit Adrian O'Dell <crimsonmane@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 16:30 +0100
Re: Suggested edit Catherine Gramze <rhiamom@mac.com> - 2017-03-16 17:10 +0100
Re: Suggested edit Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2017-03-17 15:30 +0100
Re: Suggested edit Catherine Gramze <rhiamom@mac.com> - 2017-03-17 16:40 +0100
Re: Suggested edit Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2017-03-17 17:10 +0100
Re: Suggested edit Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2017-03-17 18:00 +0100
Re: Suggested edit Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2017-03-17 18:40 +0100
Re: Suggested edit Catherine Gramze <rhiamom@mac.com> - 2017-03-17 18:50 +0100
Re: Suggested edit Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2017-03-17 19:00 +0100
Re: Suggested edit Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2017-03-20 11:00 +0100
Re: Suggested edit Catherine Gramze <rhiamom@mac.com> - 2017-03-17 18:10 +0100
Re: Suggested edit Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2017-03-17 18:50 +0100
installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2017-03-20 10:50 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2017-03-20 21:10 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-03-20 21:40 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Catherine Gramze <rhiamom@mac.com> - 2017-03-20 22:20 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2017-03-21 01:00 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Catherine Gramze <rhiamom@mac.com> - 2017-03-21 01:40 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2017-03-21 03:10 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Catherine Gramze <rhiamom@mac.com> - 2017-03-21 04:20 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2017-03-21 11:40 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2017-03-21 16:00 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2017-03-21 16:20 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Catherine Gramze <rhiamom@mac.com> - 2017-03-21 18:40 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2017-03-21 19:10 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2017-03-21 19:50 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org.uk> - 2017-03-22 10:20 +0100
Re: cell phone .sigs (was: installer defaults for desktops) Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-03-22 10:50 +0100
Re: cell phone .sigs (was: installer defaults for desktops) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-03-22 11:20 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) cbannister@slingshot.co.nz - 2017-04-01 18:50 +0200
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2017-03-21 19:10 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Catherine Gramze <rhiamom@mac.com> - 2017-03-21 20:00 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2017-03-21 21:00 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2017-03-21 19:20 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Catherine Gramze <rhiamom@mac.com> - 2017-03-21 20:10 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2017-03-21 20:20 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Catherine Gramze <rhiamom@mac.com> - 2017-03-21 21:10 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-03-22 00:30 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Catherine Gramze <rhiamom@mac.com> - 2017-03-22 02:10 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2017-03-22 04:10 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2017-03-22 13:10 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2017-03-22 13:20 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-03-22 13:30 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2017-03-24 07:30 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2017-03-24 11:20 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2017-03-24 17:30 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2017-03-24 18:40 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Mart van de Wege <mvdwege@gmail.com> - 2017-03-23 11:30 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2017-03-23 13:00 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2017-03-23 13:40 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-03-23 22:00 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2017-03-24 11:30 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2017-03-24 13:10 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2017-03-24 16:20 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2017-03-24 16:20 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2017-03-24 19:30 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2017-03-25 10:20 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2017-03-24 11:30 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-03-22 17:10 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Catherine Gramze <rhiamom@mac.com> - 2017-03-21 20:20 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2017-03-21 20:10 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Catherine Gramze <rhiamom@mac.com> - 2017-03-21 16:00 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-03-21 17:50 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2017-03-23 17:40 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Catherine Gramze <rhiamom@mac.com> - 2017-03-23 18:10 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2017-03-23 18:40 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2017-03-23 19:10 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2017-03-23 19:40 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Catherine Gramze <rhiamom@mac.com> - 2017-03-23 19:40 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2017-03-23 19:50 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Catherine Gramze <rhiamom@mac.com> - 2017-03-23 23:40 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2017-03-23 23:50 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Catherine Gramze <rhiamom@mac.com> - 2017-03-24 00:20 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2017-03-24 00:40 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Catherine Gramze <rhiamom@mac.com> - 2017-03-24 01:40 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-03-24 02:30 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Catherine Gramze <rhiamom@mac.com> - 2017-03-24 05:30 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Dejan Jocic <jodejka@gmail.com> - 2017-03-24 08:50 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2017-03-24 19:30 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-03-24 20:50 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2017-03-24 02:30 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Catherine Gramze <rhiamom@mac.com> - 2017-03-24 03:40 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-03-24 15:50 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2017-03-24 19:40 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Catherine Gramze <rhiamom@mac.com> - 2017-03-24 21:10 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-03-24 23:10 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Catherine Gramze <rhiamom@mac.com> - 2017-03-25 00:10 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2017-03-25 02:50 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-03-25 03:50 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-03-24 13:10 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-03-24 15:00 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2017-03-24 16:00 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2017-03-24 19:10 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Catherine Gramze <rhiamom@mac.com> - 2017-03-24 20:10 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2017-03-24 20:40 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2017-03-23 19:00 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2017-03-23 19:50 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2017-03-24 11:30 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Fred <fred@blakemfg.com> - 2017-03-23 20:10 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2017-03-23 17:40 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2017-03-21 00:50 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-03-21 01:40 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2017-03-21 03:10 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-03-21 11:40 +0100
[TEST RUNS] Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-03-22 15:10 +0100
Re: [TEST RUNS] Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2017-03-22 15:30 +0100
Re: [TEST RUNS] Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-03-22 16:00 +0100
Re: [TEST RUNS] Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2017-03-22 16:40 +0100
Re: [TEST RUNS] Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-03-22 18:30 +0100
Re: [TEST RUNS] Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2017-03-22 18:50 +0100
Re: [TEST RUNS] Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2017-03-23 17:50 +0100
Re: [TEST RUNS] Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) cbannister@slingshot.co.nz - 2017-04-01 20:10 +0200
Re: [TEST RUNS] Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2017-04-01 20:50 +0200
Re: [TEST RUNS] Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Cindy-Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2017-04-01 22:30 +0200
Re: [TEST RUNS] Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2017-04-01 23:10 +0200
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2017-03-21 12:10 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2017-03-21 13:00 +0100
Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2017-03-21 16:00 +0100
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| From | Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-21 00:50 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) |
| Message-ID | <tnfdM-3vw-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #179053 |
On Monday 20 March 2017 20:29:31 Richard Owlett wrote: > On 03/20/2017 03:06 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Monday 20 March 2017 09:46:45 Jonathan Dowland wrote: > >> I don't have an installation image locally to test this as I write, but > >> your messages indicate that the graphical desktop options are by default > >> not selected in the installer, regardless of which installation medium > >> (netinst, CD, DVD) is being used. If they simply defaulted to on, but > >> could be disabled as normal, would that not address the "noob" issue > >> without frustrating those who know they don't want a desktop > >> environment? > > > > Last time my attention wavered when I was doing a net-install I landed up > > with Gnome. I would expect that the net installation still defaults to a > > Gnome desktop. I will try to test this in the near future. > > > > Lisi > > If run from Jessie's DVD 1 of 13, if Desktop is selected but without a > specific D.E. selected, you get Gnome. The question is what you get by default if you don't actually select anything - desktop or no desktop. I got Gnome, so got a desktop. Lisi
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| From | Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> |
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| Date | 2017-03-21 01:40 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) |
| Message-ID | <tng09-45Z-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #179066 |
On 03/20/2017 06:48 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Monday 20 March 2017 20:29:31 Richard Owlett wrote: >> On 03/20/2017 03:06 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: >>> On Monday 20 March 2017 09:46:45 Jonathan Dowland wrote: >>>> I don't have an installation image locally to test this as I write, but >>>> your messages indicate that the graphical desktop options are by default >>>> not selected in the installer, regardless of which installation medium >>>> (netinst, CD, DVD) is being used. If they simply defaulted to on, but >>>> could be disabled as normal, would that not address the "noob" issue >>>> without frustrating those who know they don't want a desktop >>>> environment? >>> >>> Last time my attention wavered when I was doing a net-install I landed up >>> with Gnome. I would expect that the net installation still defaults to a >>> Gnome desktop. I will try to test this in the near future. >>> >>> Lisi >> >> If run from Jessie's DVD 1 of 13, if Desktop is selected but without a >> specific D.E. selected, you get Gnome. > > The question is what you get by default if you don't actually select > anything - desktop or no desktop. I got Gnome, so got a desktop. > > Lisi > > With the installer from DVD 1 of 13 the first option in taskel is for choosing to have a desktop - the default is yes. I'll be able to do a couple of test installs in the morning. Later.
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| From | Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-21 03:10 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) |
| Message-ID | <tnhpg-58q-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #179070 |
On Tuesday 21 March 2017 00:38:36 Richard Owlett wrote: > With the installer from DVD 1 of 13 the first option in taskel is for > choosing to have a desktop - the default is yes. Thanks, Richard! This is as I expected - the default is to have a desktop. I must find a machine on which I can safely do some net install test installs. I should be getting one next month. But again, the default certainly used to be to have a desktop. I sometimes don't want oen - but land up with one if I go to sleep. :-/ Lisi
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| From | Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> |
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| Date | 2017-03-21 11:40 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) |
| Message-ID | <tnpmO-24D-13@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #179073 |
On 03/20/2017 09:05 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Tuesday 21 March 2017 00:38:36 Richard Owlett wrote: >> With the installer from DVD 1 of 13 the first option in taskel is for >> choosing to have a desktop - the default is yes. > > Thanks, Richard! This is as I expected - the default is to have a desktop. I > must find a machine on which I can safely do some net install test installs. > I should be getting one next month. But again, the default certainly used to > be to have a desktop. I sometimes don't want oen - but land up with one if I > go to sleep. :-/ > Lisi > > It will take longer to do the test installs than I originally estimated. To gather some related data I find interesting will take at least 6 unique installs. That means tweaking 6 preseed.cfg files in order to: a. be doing something else while the machine chugs along. b. be able to document exactly what was done. Also I picked up a new toy yesterday, a 240 GB Portable SSD. That will allow me to use my dedicated WindowsXP Laptop as a server. I'll put the contents of DVD 1 on the SSD and run netinstall on my Linux hardware. Who knows how long it will take as I have no idea of how many "learning experiences" take place when running a server for the first time ;/
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| From | Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> |
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| Date | 2017-03-22 15:10 +0100 |
| Subject | [TEST RUNS] Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) |
| Message-ID | <tnP7z-3yz-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #179082 |
On 03/21/2017 05:30 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 03/20/2017 09:05 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
>> On Tuesday 21 March 2017 00:38:36 Richard Owlett wrote:
>>> With the installer from DVD 1 of 13 the first option in taskel is for
>>> choosing to have a desktop - the default is yes.
>>
>> Thanks, Richard! This is as I expected - the default is to have a
>> desktop. I
>> must find a machine on which I can safely do some net install test
>> installs.
>> I should be getting one next month. But again, the default certainly
>> used to
>> be to have a desktop. I sometimes don't want oen - but land up with
>> one if I
>> go to sleep. :-/
>> Lisi
>>
>>
>
> It will take longer to do the test installs than I originally
> estimated.
> To gather some related data I find interesting will take at least 6
> unique installs. That means tweaking 6 preseed.cfg files in order to:
> a. be doing something else while the machine chugs along.
> b. be able to document exactly what was done.
Actually it took 9 installs due to "educational" failures :}
The results of the 6 installs I intended to run:
[the only variable being which DE related boxes checked]
[space used reported by gparted]
1. None
CLI installed taking ~.92 GB
2. Only top entry checked (asking for unspecified desktop)
Gnome installed taking ~3.59 GB
3. Top entry *and* Gnome checked
Gnome installed taking ~3.59 GB
4. Top entry *and* MATE checked
MATE installed taking ~2.65 GB
5. Gnome only checked
Gnome installed taking ~3.59 GB
6. MATE only checked
MATE installed taking ~2.65 GB
Tests 1-6 were run were run from a flash drive copy of DVD1.
My "educational" failure was in attempting to create a preseed.cfg file
so the tests would require minimal hands on attention. I wanted the
tasksel screen to appear. I did not succeed. Instead the installer went
on its merry way installing Gnome in ~3.67 (not the ~3.59 GB of other runs).
Two additional installs were run to check an anomaly in the Gnome
installs. To minimize typing during the tests, I had chosen to allow
root to login and did not specify any other user.
MATE had no problem with this.
Gnome refused to allow "root" be specified as a login ID.
I did 2 test installs from the original DVD, one with and one without
specifying a login other than "root". In neither case could I login as
"root" in-spite of having explicitly specified during install that login
as root was permitted.
>
> Also I picked up a new toy yesterday, a 240 GB Portable SSD. That will
> allow me to use my dedicated WindowsXP Laptop as a server. I'll put
> the contents of DVD 1 on the SSD and run netinstall on my Linux
> hardware. Who knows how long it will take as I have no idea of how
> many "learning experiences" take place when running a server for the
> first time ;/
It will take a while to get to that test.
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| From | Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-22 15:30 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: [TEST RUNS] Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) |
| Message-ID | <tnPqV-3Kn-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #179157 |
On Wednesday 22 March 2017 14:05:28 Richard Owlett wrote: > The results of the 6 installs I intended to run: > [the only variable being which DE related boxes checked] > [space used reported by gparted] > 1. None > CLI installed taking ~.92 GB > 2. Only top entry checked (asking for unspecified desktop) > Gnome installed taking ~3.59 GB > 3. Top entry *and* Gnome checked > Gnome installed taking ~3.59 GB > 4. Top entry *and* MATE checked > MATE installed taking ~2.65 GB > 5. Gnome only checked > Gnome installed taking ~3.59 GB > 6. MATE only checked > MATE installed taking ~2.65 GB > Tests 1-6 were run were run from a flash drive copy of DVD1. Thanks, Richard. And are you able to confirm that, by default, the top entry is checked, and you have to uncheck it to achieve option 1? Lisi
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| From | Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> |
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| Date | 2017-03-22 16:00 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: [TEST RUNS] Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) |
| Message-ID | <tnPTZ-3ZD-37@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #179158 |
On 03/22/2017 09:28 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Wednesday 22 March 2017 14:05:28 Richard Owlett wrote: >> The results of the 6 installs I intended to run: >> [the only variable being which DE related boxes checked] >> [space used reported by gparted] >> 1. None >> CLI installed taking ~.92 GB >> 2. Only top entry checked (asking for unspecified desktop) >> Gnome installed taking ~3.59 GB >> 3. Top entry *and* Gnome checked >> Gnome installed taking ~3.59 GB >> 4. Top entry *and* MATE checked >> MATE installed taking ~2.65 GB >> 5. Gnome only checked >> Gnome installed taking ~3.59 GB >> 6. MATE only checked >> MATE installed taking ~2.65 GB >> Tests 1-6 were run were run from a flash drive copy of DVD1. > > Thanks, Richard. And are you able to confirm that, by default, the top entry > is checked, and you have to uncheck it to achieve option 1? > That is correct. HOWEVER that line of thought is why I included my 1st paragraph on the "educational" problems encountered. <quote> My "educational" failure was in attempting to create a preseed.cfg file so the tests would require minimal hands on attention. I wanted the tasksel screen to appear. I did not succeed. Instead the installer went on its merry way installing Gnome in ~3.67 (not the ~3.59 GB of other runs). <end quote> I've never used netinst and don't know if my failed preseed.cfg might resemble it.
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| From | Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-22 16:40 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: [TEST RUNS] Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) |
| Message-ID | <tnQwG-4GP-21@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #179159 |
On Wednesday 22 March 2017 14:53:24 Richard Owlett wrote: > On 03/22/2017 09:28 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Wednesday 22 March 2017 14:05:28 Richard Owlett wrote: > >> The results of the 6 installs I intended to run: > >> [the only variable being which DE related boxes checked] > >> [space used reported by gparted] > >> 1. None > >> CLI installed taking ~.92 GB > >> 2. Only top entry checked (asking for unspecified desktop) > >> Gnome installed taking ~3.59 GB > >> 3. Top entry *and* Gnome checked > >> Gnome installed taking ~3.59 GB > >> 4. Top entry *and* MATE checked > >> MATE installed taking ~2.65 GB > >> 5. Gnome only checked > >> Gnome installed taking ~3.59 GB > >> 6. MATE only checked > >> MATE installed taking ~2.65 GB > >> Tests 1-6 were run were run from a flash drive copy of DVD1. > > > > Thanks, Richard. And are you able to confirm that, by default, the top > > entry is checked, and you have to uncheck it to achieve option 1? > > That is correct. > > HOWEVER that line of thought is why I included my 1st paragraph on the > "educational" problems encountered. > <quote> > My "educational" failure was in attempting to create a preseed.cfg file > so the tests would require minimal hands on attention. I wanted the > tasksel screen to appear. I did not succeed. Instead the installer went > on its merry way installing Gnome in ~3.67 (not the ~3.59 GB of other > runs). <end quote> > > I've never used netinst and don't know if my failed preseed.cfg might > resemble it. Thank you. I prefer facts to alternative facts or guesses! I must play around with net install when I have got both time and a suitable platform! In all this talk of Debian being the universal operating system, and helping newbies, no mention has been made of the Live CD installation method, which I should have though was ideal for those who want their hands held. That perception may be false, but is why I barely go near it! I use Knoppix when I want a Live CD and the net install disk when I want to install Debian. Lisi
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| From | Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> |
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| Date | 2017-03-22 18:30 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: [TEST RUNS] Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) |
| Message-ID | <tnSf7-5Zo-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #179160 |
On 03/22/2017 10:33 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Wednesday 22 March 2017 14:53:24 Richard Owlett wrote: >> On 03/22/2017 09:28 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: >>> On Wednesday 22 March 2017 14:05:28 Richard Owlett wrote: >>>> The results of the 6 installs I intended to run: >>>> [the only variable being which DE related boxes checked] >>>> [space used reported by gparted] >>>> 1. None >>>> CLI installed taking ~.92 GB >>>> 2. Only top entry checked (asking for unspecified desktop) >>>> Gnome installed taking ~3.59 GB >>>> 3. Top entry *and* Gnome checked >>>> Gnome installed taking ~3.59 GB >>>> 4. Top entry *and* MATE checked >>>> MATE installed taking ~2.65 GB >>>> 5. Gnome only checked >>>> Gnome installed taking ~3.59 GB >>>> 6. MATE only checked >>>> MATE installed taking ~2.65 GB >>>> Tests 1-6 were run were run from a flash drive copy of DVD1. >>> >>> Thanks, Richard. And are you able to confirm that, by default, the top >>> entry is checked, and you have to uncheck it to achieve option 1? >> >> That is correct. >> >> HOWEVER that line of thought is why I included my 1st paragraph on the >> "educational" problems encountered. >> <quote> >> My "educational" failure was in attempting to create a preseed.cfg file >> so the tests would require minimal hands on attention. I wanted the >> tasksel screen to appear. I did not succeed. Instead the installer went >> on its merry way installing Gnome in ~3.67 (not the ~3.59 GB of other >> runs). <end quote> >> >> I've never used netinst and don't know if my failed preseed.cfg might >> resemble it. > > Thank you. I prefer facts to alternative facts or guesses! I must play > around with net install when I have got both time and a suitable platform! > > In all this talk of Debian being the universal operating system, and helping > newbies, no mention has been made of the Live CD installation method, which I > should have though was ideal for those who want their hands held. That > perception may be false, but is why I barely go near it! I use Knoppix when > I want a Live CD and the net install disk when I want to install Debian. > I had a "Live 8.6 MATE" DVD next to me. I had a minor glitch and a possibly significant problem. The minor glitch was when launching the installer it needed a password. Having seen that problem reported before, entering "live" got it going. The possibly significant problem was inability to install grub. I say "possibly significant" because my test machine and installation routines have a few oddities. I manually partitioned *AND* defeated using a swap partition as it would have changed the UUID of my swap partition thus messing up my exiting installs (have 3 active at the moment). Not installing grub was no problem for me as I don't install it anyway, choosing to run update-grub under control of the install on /dev/sda1.
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| From | Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-22 18:50 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: [TEST RUNS] Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) |
| Message-ID | <tnSyv-6bg-71@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #179162 |
On Wednesday 22 March 2017 17:26:56 Richard Owlett wrote: > On 03/22/2017 10:33 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Wednesday 22 March 2017 14:53:24 Richard Owlett wrote: > >> On 03/22/2017 09:28 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > >>> On Wednesday 22 March 2017 14:05:28 Richard Owlett wrote: > >>>> The results of the 6 installs I intended to run: > >>>> [the only variable being which DE related boxes checked] > >>>> [space used reported by gparted] > >>>> 1. None > >>>> CLI installed taking ~.92 GB > >>>> 2. Only top entry checked (asking for unspecified desktop) > >>>> Gnome installed taking ~3.59 GB > >>>> 3. Top entry *and* Gnome checked > >>>> Gnome installed taking ~3.59 GB > >>>> 4. Top entry *and* MATE checked > >>>> MATE installed taking ~2.65 GB > >>>> 5. Gnome only checked > >>>> Gnome installed taking ~3.59 GB > >>>> 6. MATE only checked > >>>> MATE installed taking ~2.65 GB > >>>> Tests 1-6 were run were run from a flash drive copy of DVD1. > >>> > >>> Thanks, Richard. And are you able to confirm that, by default, the top > >>> entry is checked, and you have to uncheck it to achieve option 1? > >> > >> That is correct. > >> > >> HOWEVER that line of thought is why I included my 1st paragraph on the > >> "educational" problems encountered. > >> <quote> > >> My "educational" failure was in attempting to create a preseed.cfg file > >> so the tests would require minimal hands on attention. I wanted the > >> tasksel screen to appear. I did not succeed. Instead the installer went > >> on its merry way installing Gnome in ~3.67 (not the ~3.59 GB of other > >> runs). <end quote> > >> > >> I've never used netinst and don't know if my failed preseed.cfg might > >> resemble it. > > > > Thank you. I prefer facts to alternative facts or guesses! I must play > > around with net install when I have got both time and a suitable > > platform! > > > > In all this talk of Debian being the universal operating system, and > > helping newbies, no mention has been made of the Live CD installation > > method, which I should have though was ideal for those who want their > > hands held. That perception may be false, but is why I barely go near > > it! I use Knoppix when I want a Live CD and the net install disk when I > > want to install Debian. > > I had a "Live 8.6 MATE" DVD next to me. > I had a minor glitch and a possibly significant problem. > The minor glitch was when launching the installer it needed a password. > Having seen that problem reported before, entering "live" got it going. > > The possibly significant problem was inability to install grub. > I say "possibly significant" because my test machine and installation > routines have a few oddities. > > I manually partitioned *AND* defeated using a swap partition as it would > have changed the UUID of my swap partition thus messing up my exiting > installs (have 3 active at the moment). > > Not installing grub was no problem for me as I don't install it anyway, > choosing to run update-grub under control of the install on /dev/sda1. Interesting. I wonder whether that would apply to all the mainstream Live CDs, or just the Mate one? I think they may be very individual. I know the Trinity unofficial one was, until it became the Devuan one anyway. But it installed OK, ran well both live and installed, and told you what password to use in the accompanying documentation. Now that I think one could criticise, since it should actually run. If Martin Wimpress ever actually turns up to a meeting, instead of saying that he is hoping to come, I shall tell him so!! Thanks again. Lisi
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| From | Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-23 17:50 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: [TEST RUNS] Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) |
| Message-ID | <toe5Y-4Wc-19@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #179163 |
Lisi Reisz wrote: >On Wednesday 22 March 2017 17:26:56 Richard Owlett wrote: >> >> I had a "Live 8.6 MATE" DVD next to me. >> I had a minor glitch and a possibly significant problem. >> The minor glitch was when launching the installer it needed a password. >> Having seen that problem reported before, entering "live" got it going. >> >Interesting. I wonder whether that would apply to all the mainstream Live >CDs, or just the Mate one? I think they may be very individual. I know the >Trinity unofficial one was, until it became the Devuan one anyway. But it >installed OK, ran well both live and installed, and told you what password to >use in the accompanying documentation. There have been significant issues with running the installer from a live system in the past, and unfortunately a lack of volunteer time to fix the manifold bugs found. I'd still very much recommend using a d-i (netinst/DVD/whatever) image for installation in preference - you're much less likely to hit random edge cases that way. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK. steve@einval.com < liw> everything I know about UK hotels I learned from "Fawlty Towers"
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| From | cbannister@slingshot.co.nz |
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| Date | 2017-04-01 20:10 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: [TEST RUNS] Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) |
| Message-ID | <trvDj-6eB-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #179160 |
On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 03:33:08PM +0000, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > In all this talk of Debian being the universal operating system, and helping > newbies ... I'm not sure those two concepts are related. My understanding of Debian being the universal operating system is that it can run on as many hardware platforms as possible, not that it is universally accessible by all and sundry, although I guess if that also occurs then it's an added bonus. :) -- The media's the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty innocent, and that's power. -- Malcolm X
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| From | Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-01 20:50 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: [TEST RUNS] Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) |
| Message-ID | <trwg2-6s5-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #179693 |
On Saturday 01 April 2017 18:59:48 cbannister@slingshot.co.nz wrote: > On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 03:33:08PM +0000, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > In all this talk of Debian being the universal operating system, and > > helping newbies ... > > I'm not sure those two concepts are related. My understanding of Debian > being the universal operating system is that it can run on as many > hardware platforms as possible, not that it is universally accessible by > all and sundry, although I guess if that also occurs then it's an added > bonus. :) I agree with you. But I was being told that that view is elitist, in a world in which elite is a very pejorative word. Lisi
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| From | Cindy-Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-01 22:30 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: [TEST RUNS] Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) |
| Message-ID | <trxON-7wA-13@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #179693 |
On 4/1/17, cbannister@slingshot.co.nz <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> wrote: > On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 03:33:08PM +0000, Lisi Reisz wrote: >> >> In all this talk of Debian being the universal operating system, and >> helping >> newbies ... > > I'm not sure those two concepts are related. My understanding of Debian > being the universal operating system is that it can run on as many > hardware platforms as possible, not that it is universally accessible by > all and sundry, although I guess if that also occurs then it's an added > bonus. :) They *are* working on Debian *usability*... VERY actively: https://lists.debian.org/debian-accessibility/ :) Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with duct tape *
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| From | Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-01 23:10 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: [TEST RUNS] Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) |
| Message-ID | <tryrw-80p-35@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #179701 |
On Saturday 01 April 2017 21:23:21 Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: > On 4/1/17, cbannister@slingshot.co.nz <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 03:33:08PM +0000, Lisi Reisz wrote: > >> In all this talk of Debian being the universal operating system, and > >> helping > >> newbies ... > > > > I'm not sure those two concepts are related. My understanding of Debian > > being the universal operating system is that it can run on as many > > hardware platforms as possible, not that it is universally accessible by > > all and sundry, although I guess if that also occurs then it's an added > > bonus. :) > > They *are* working on Debian *usability*... VERY actively: > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-accessibility/ > > :) > > Cindy :) Accessibility generally means for disabled people, not newbies. It is a different thing. Lisi
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| From | Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-21 12:10 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) |
| Message-ID | <tnpPP-2un-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #179073 |
On 2017-03-21, Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> wrote: > On Tuesday 21 March 2017 00:38:36 Richard Owlett wrote: >> With the installer from DVD 1 of 13 the first option in taskel is for >> choosing to have a desktop - the default is yes. > > Thanks, Richard! This is as I expected - the default is to have a > desktop. I must find a machine on which I can safely do some net > install test installs. I should be getting one next month. But > again, the default certainly used to be to have a desktop. I > sometimes don't want oen - but land up with one if I go to sleep. :-/ > Lisi > > Consider using preseeding[1] if you find yourself installing frequently. For example, you can preselect a standard installation only (no desktop), or an xfce-desktop installation, and so on. 1: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed -- Liam
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| From | Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> |
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| Date | 2017-03-21 13:00 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) |
| Message-ID | <tnqCd-2Qk-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #179066 |
On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 11:48:51PM +0000, Lisi Reisz wrote: > The question is what you get by default if you don't actually select > anything - desktop or no desktop. I got Gnome, so got a desktop. The last Debian install I have done was for jessie (netinst). Like every recent version of Debian before that, it runs tasksel near the end. Inside the tasksel dialog, a desktop environment is selected by default. If you UNSELECT that (press space to remove the checkmark or X or whatever the indicator is), you get Debian without a desktop environment. At that point you can keep it X-less for a server, or install xorg and fvwm and rxvt-unicode, or GNOME, or whatever you like. Sure, if you *don't change the default selection*, you probably get GNOME. Is that what you meant by "don't actually select anything"? Just accepting whatever the default is, without reading or changing what's on the screen?
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| From | Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-21 16:00 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit) |
| Message-ID | <tntqq-4H9-27@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #179091 |
On Tuesday 21 March 2017 11:59:39 Greg Wooledge wrote: > Sure, if you *don't change the default selection*, you probably get > GNOME. Is that what you meant by "don't actually select anything"? > Just accepting whatever the default is, without reading or changing > what's on the screen? Exactly that is what is under discussion! To avoid a desktop you have to make a conscious decision and unselect it. Otherwise, if you just accept, accept, accept, your way through an installation you don't understand, you end up with a desktop. Lisi
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