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  Need to upgrade claws-mail on debian 7.1 "Blair, Charles E III" <c-blair@illinois.edu> - 2017-03-20 06:10 +0100
    Re: Need to upgrade claws-mail on debian 7.1 francesco scaglione <francesco.scaglione@gmail.com> - 2017-03-20 12:40 +0100
    Re: Need to upgrade claws-mail on debian 7.1 Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2017-03-20 17:20 +0100
      Re: Need to upgrade claws-mail on debian 7.1 Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2017-03-20 20:50 +0100
        Re: Need to upgrade claws-mail on debian 7.1 Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2017-03-20 23:20 +0100
          Re: Need to upgrade claws-mail on debian 7.1 Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2017-03-21 09:50 +0100
            Re: Need to upgrade claws-mail on debian 7.1 Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2017-03-22 07:30 +0100

#179028 — Need to upgrade claws-mail on debian 7.1

   I am using debian 7.11, which includes version
3.8.1 of claws-mail.  I have recently been having
problems with this, and have been advised that I
need to upgrade to 3.11.1.  It didn't seem possible
to do this with aptitude, and I am hoping there is
some other painless way.

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#179041

On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 04:47:50 +0000
"Blair, Charles E III" <c-blair@illinois.edu> wrote:

>    I am using debian 7.11, which includes version
> 3.8.1 of claws-mail.  I have recently been having
> problems with this, and have been advised that I
> need to upgrade to 3.11.1.  It didn't seem possible
> to do this with aptitude, and I am hoping there is
> some other painless way.

Well, through wheezy-backports you can at least install claws-mail
3.10.1:

https://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/claws-mail

Francesco

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#179045

On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 04:47:50 +0000 "Blair, Charles E III"
<c-blair@illinois.edu> wrote:

>    I am using debian 7.11, which includes version
> 3.8.1 of claws-mail.  I have recently been having
> problems with this, and have been advised that I
> need to upgrade to 3.11.1.  It didn't seem possible
> to do this with aptitude, and I am hoping there is
> some other painless way.

You're SOL:  Claws 3.11 isn't available for Wheezy.  At least, not that
I've been able to find.

 A couple years ago, I too started having problems with Claws.  I
could receive but couldn't send or reply.  Later, I was unable to
connect to my email providers at all.  They had slowly changed their
security protocols which Claws couldn't handle.  I upgraded to 3.10 from
Wheezy-Backports, but that didn't help.  Had to be at least 3.11 which
worked fine on my Jessie install running in VirtualBox. Even looked
into compiling 3.11 from source. No go. Dependencies. Wheezy libraries
and such were too old.  And the newer libraries were not available for
Wheezy. Some had systemd dependencies as well.  Compile them?
Nope. Dependencies were the killer. Even thought of adding the Jessie
repos to get the libraries, but that wouldn't work. I'd have to upgrade
too much of Wheezy, if it would work at all.  And I was fearful of
trashing my system.  So, I switched to Sylpheed.  Not as good as Claws,
but it worked.  Now, it's starting to have problems: Can't send
attachments.

The easiest solution if you want to use Claws is to upgrade to a newer
version of Debian.  Sorry.

B

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#179050

On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 09:13:11 -0700
Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 04:47:50 +0000 "Blair, Charles E III"
> <c-blair@illinois.edu> wrote:
> 
> >    I am using debian 7.11, which includes version
> > 3.8.1 of claws-mail.  I have recently been having
> > problems with this, and have been advised that I
> > need to upgrade to 3.11.1.  It didn't seem possible
> > to do this with aptitude, and I am hoping there is
> > some other painless way.  
> 
> You're SOL:  Claws 3.11 isn't available for Wheezy.  At least, not
> that I've been able to find.
> 
>  A couple years ago, I too started having problems with Claws.  I
> could receive but couldn't send or reply.  Later, I was unable to
> connect to my email providers at all.  They had slowly changed their
> security protocols which Claws couldn't handle.  I upgraded to 3.10
> from Wheezy-Backports, but that didn't help.  Had to be at least 3.11
> which worked fine on my Jessie install running in VirtualBox. Even
> looked into compiling 3.11 from source. No go. Dependencies. Wheezy
> libraries and such were too old.  And the newer libraries were not
> available for Wheezy. Some had systemd dependencies as well.  Compile
> them? Nope. Dependencies were the killer. Even thought of adding the
> Jessie repos to get the libraries, but that wouldn't work. I'd have
> to upgrade too much of Wheezy, if it would work at all.  And I was
> fearful of trashing my system.  So, I switched to Sylpheed.  Not as
> good as Claws, but it worked.  Now, it's starting to have problems:
> Can't send attachments.
> 
> The easiest solution if you want to use Claws is to upgrade to a newer
> version of Debian.  Sorry.
> 

If the problems are indeed about connectivity, possibly the use of
specialist email connectivity software might help i.e. an MTA rather
than an MUA. I'd be willing to bet that exim4 would deal with any
connectivity problems, and unless it has been explicitly removed, it is
part of a default Debian installation and may even be running at this
very moment.

OK, there's a bit of a learning curve, but it may be less traumatic
than upgrading the whole OS. It's a mainstream MTA, there is plenty of
help on the Net, and this application, an outgoing smarthost with
(presumably) authentication and/or TLS, isn't particularly exotic. Here
are some basics:
https://wiki.debian.org/Exim

I'm using claws on sid with exim4 on wheezy as smarthost, and I'm
sending direct to the rest of the world without problems. I'm not
currently using any authenticated sending from exim4, but I have done
in the past.

-- 
Joe

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#179060

On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 19:44:40 +0000 Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 09:13:11 -0700
> Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 04:47:50 +0000 "Blair, Charles E III"
> > <c-blair@illinois.edu> wrote:
> > 
> > >    I am using debian 7.11, which includes version
> > > 3.8.1 of claws-mail.  I have recently been having
> > > problems with this, and have been advised that I
> > > need to upgrade to 3.11.1.  It didn't seem possible
> > > to do this with aptitude, and I am hoping there is
> > > some other painless way.  
> > 
> > You're SOL:  Claws 3.11 isn't available for Wheezy.  At least, not
> > that I've been able to find.
> > 
> >  A couple years ago, I too started having problems with Claws.  I
> > could receive but couldn't send or reply.  Later, I was unable to
> > connect to my email providers at all.  They had slowly changed their
> > security protocols which Claws couldn't handle.  I upgraded to 3.10
> > from Wheezy-Backports, but that didn't help.  Had to be at least
> > 3.11 which worked fine on my Jessie install running in VirtualBox.
> > Even looked into compiling 3.11 from source. No go. Dependencies.
> > Wheezy libraries and such were too old.  And the newer libraries
> > were not available for Wheezy. Some had systemd dependencies as
> > well.  Compile them? Nope. Dependencies were the killer. Even
> > thought of adding the Jessie repos to get the libraries, but that
> > wouldn't work. I'd have to upgrade too much of Wheezy, if it would
> > work at all.  And I was fearful of trashing my system.  So, I
> > switched to Sylpheed.  Not as good as Claws, but it worked.  Now,
> > it's starting to have problems: Can't send attachments.
> > 
> > The easiest solution if you want to use Claws is to upgrade to a
> > newer version of Debian.  Sorry.
> > 
> 
> If the problems are indeed about connectivity, possibly the use of
> specialist email connectivity software might help i.e. an MTA rather
> than an MUA. I'd be willing to bet that exim4 would deal with any
> connectivity problems, and unless it has been explicitly removed, it
> is part of a default Debian installation and may even be running at
> this very moment.
> 
> OK, there's a bit of a learning curve, but it may be less traumatic
> than upgrading the whole OS. It's a mainstream MTA, there is plenty of
> help on the Net, and this application, an outgoing smarthost with
> (presumably) authentication and/or TLS, isn't particularly exotic.
> Here are some basics:
> https://wiki.debian.org/Exim
> 
> I'm using claws on sid with exim4 on wheezy as smarthost, and I'm
> sending direct to the rest of the world without problems. I'm not
> currently using any authenticated sending from exim4, but I have done
> in the past.

Well, the developer of Claws on his web site said the "problems" users
were experiencing was in Claws itself and it had been fixed in 3.11.  I
don't know if it was a bug or something else. IIRC, the problem was
caused by the implementation of new security protocols by email
providers like Yahoo and GMail, among others, because of a major breach
Yahoo had a couple years ago.

B

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#179078

On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 15:12:38 -0700
Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 19:44:40 +0000 Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 09:13:11 -0700
> > Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> wrote:
> >   
> > > On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 04:47:50 +0000 "Blair, Charles E III"
> > > <c-blair@illinois.edu> wrote:
> > >   
> > > >    I am using debian 7.11, which includes version
> > > > 3.8.1 of claws-mail.  I have recently been having
> > > > problems with this, and have been advised that I
> > > > need to upgrade to 3.11.1.  It didn't seem possible
> > > > to do this with aptitude, and I am hoping there is
> > > > some other painless way.    
> > > 
> > > You're SOL:  Claws 3.11 isn't available for Wheezy.  At least, not
> > > that I've been able to find.
> > > 
> > >  A couple years ago, I too started having problems with Claws.  I
> > > could receive but couldn't send or reply.  Later, I was unable to
> > > connect to my email providers at all.  They had slowly changed
> > > their security protocols which Claws couldn't handle.  I upgraded
> > > to 3.10 from Wheezy-Backports, but that didn't help.  Had to be
> > > at least 3.11 which worked fine on my Jessie install running in
> > > VirtualBox. Even looked into compiling 3.11 from source. No go.
> > > Dependencies. Wheezy libraries and such were too old.  And the
> > > newer libraries were not available for Wheezy. Some had systemd
> > > dependencies as well.  Compile them? Nope. Dependencies were the
> > > killer. Even thought of adding the Jessie repos to get the
> > > libraries, but that wouldn't work. I'd have to upgrade too much
> > > of Wheezy, if it would work at all.  And I was fearful of
> > > trashing my system.  So, I switched to Sylpheed.  Not as good as
> > > Claws, but it worked.  Now, it's starting to have problems: Can't
> > > send attachments.
> > > 
> > > The easiest solution if you want to use Claws is to upgrade to a
> > > newer version of Debian.  Sorry.
> > >   
> > 
> > If the problems are indeed about connectivity, possibly the use of
> > specialist email connectivity software might help i.e. an MTA rather
> > than an MUA. I'd be willing to bet that exim4 would deal with any
> > connectivity problems, and unless it has been explicitly removed, it
> > is part of a default Debian installation and may even be running at
> > this very moment.
> > 
> > OK, there's a bit of a learning curve, but it may be less traumatic
> > than upgrading the whole OS. It's a mainstream MTA, there is plenty
> > of help on the Net, and this application, an outgoing smarthost with
> > (presumably) authentication and/or TLS, isn't particularly exotic.
> > Here are some basics:
> > https://wiki.debian.org/Exim
> > 
> > I'm using claws on sid with exim4 on wheezy as smarthost, and I'm
> > sending direct to the rest of the world without problems. I'm not
> > currently using any authenticated sending from exim4, but I have
> > done in the past.  
> 
> Well, the developer of Claws on his web site said the "problems" users
> were experiencing was in Claws itself and it had been fixed in 3.11.
> I don't know if it was a bug or something else. IIRC, the problem was
> caused by the implementation of new security protocols by email
> providers like Yahoo and GMail, among others, because of a major
> breach Yahoo had a couple years ago.

Yes, it's common for email client applications to talk to remote SMTP
servers, but the implementation of extra protocols is usually a game of
catch-up, when people start complaining about individual problems. The
primary job of an email client is to be an efficient interface between
the user and email.

A 'mail server', on the other hand, normally has a vast range of options
available long before email providers start using them. At any moment,
the 'mail servers', exim4, postfix, sendmail etc. will pretty much
always be more capable than the average client application. Their
primary job is to talk to other email servers.

Here we have a situation where upgrading the client application is
proving to be difficult, and I suggest that it *might* be easier to use
a 'mail server' as an outgoing smarthost.

-- 
Joe

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#179138

On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 08:44:18 +0000 Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 15:12:38 -0700
> Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 19:44:40 +0000 Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 09:13:11 -0700
> > > Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >   
> > > > On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 04:47:50 +0000 "Blair, Charles E III"
> > > > <c-blair@illinois.edu> wrote:
> > > >   
> > > > >    I am using debian 7.11, which includes version
> > > > > 3.8.1 of claws-mail.  I have recently been having
> > > > > problems with this, and have been advised that I
> > > > > need to upgrade to 3.11.1.  It didn't seem possible
> > > > > to do this with aptitude, and I am hoping there is
> > > > > some other painless way.    
> > > > 
> > > > You're SOL:  Claws 3.11 isn't available for Wheezy.  At least,
> > > > not that I've been able to find.
> > > > 
> > > >  A couple years ago, I too started having problems with Claws.
> > > > I could receive but couldn't send or reply.  Later, I was
> > > > unable to connect to my email providers at all.  They had
> > > > slowly changed their security protocols which Claws couldn't
> > > > handle.  I upgraded to 3.10 from Wheezy-Backports, but that
> > > > didn't help.  Had to be at least 3.11 which worked fine on my
> > > > Jessie install running in VirtualBox. Even looked into
> > > > compiling 3.11 from source. No go. Dependencies. Wheezy
> > > > libraries and such were too old.  And the newer libraries were
> > > > not available for Wheezy. Some had systemd dependencies as
> > > > well.  Compile them? Nope. Dependencies were the killer. Even
> > > > thought of adding the Jessie repos to get the libraries, but
> > > > that wouldn't work. I'd have to upgrade too much of Wheezy, if
> > > > it would work at all.  And I was fearful of trashing my
> > > > system.  So, I switched to Sylpheed.  Not as good as Claws, but
> > > > it worked.  Now, it's starting to have problems: Can't send
> > > > attachments.
> > > > 
> > > > The easiest solution if you want to use Claws is to upgrade to a
> > > > newer version of Debian.  Sorry.
> > > >   
> > > 
> > > If the problems are indeed about connectivity, possibly the use of
> > > specialist email connectivity software might help i.e. an MTA
> > > rather than an MUA. I'd be willing to bet that exim4 would deal
> > > with any connectivity problems, and unless it has been explicitly
> > > removed, it is part of a default Debian installation and may even
> > > be running at this very moment.
> > > 
> > > OK, there's a bit of a learning curve, but it may be less
> > > traumatic than upgrading the whole OS. It's a mainstream MTA,
> > > there is plenty of help on the Net, and this application, an
> > > outgoing smarthost with (presumably) authentication and/or TLS,
> > > isn't particularly exotic. Here are some basics:
> > > https://wiki.debian.org/Exim
> > > 
> > > I'm using claws on sid with exim4 on wheezy as smarthost, and I'm
> > > sending direct to the rest of the world without problems. I'm not
> > > currently using any authenticated sending from exim4, but I have
> > > done in the past.  
> > 
> > Well, the developer of Claws on his web site said the "problems"
> > users were experiencing was in Claws itself and it had been fixed
> > in 3.11. I don't know if it was a bug or something else. IIRC, the
> > problem was caused by the implementation of new security protocols
> > by email providers like Yahoo and GMail, among others, because of a
> > major breach Yahoo had a couple years ago.
> 
> Yes, it's common for email client applications to talk to remote SMTP
> servers, but the implementation of extra protocols is usually a game
> of catch-up, when people start complaining about individual problems.
> The primary job of an email client is to be an efficient interface
> between the user and email.
> 
> A 'mail server', on the other hand, normally has a vast range of
> options available long before email providers start using them. At
> any moment, the 'mail servers', exim4, postfix, sendmail etc. will
> pretty much always be more capable than the average client
> application. Their primary job is to talk to other email servers.
> 
> Here we have a situation where upgrading the client application is
> proving to be difficult, and I suggest that it *might* be easier to
> use a 'mail server' as an outgoing smarthost.

Thanks for the suggestion.  I'll look into it.  But as my Wheezy system
will soon be  "unsupported"  (when Stretch becomes the new stable),
installing and configuring a local mail server would seem to be a
waste of time: Wheezy is due to be replaced with a new OS soon.
Better to think about a mail server for THAT install than the 5 year
old one I have.  For now, slypheed is working well enough..

B

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