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  Suitable text editor [NOT word processor] or workaround? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-03-16 12:40 +0100
    Re: Suitable text editor [NOT word processor] or workaround? Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 13:10 +0100
      Re: Suitable text editor [NOT word processor] or workaround? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-03-16 14:30 +0100
      Re: Suitable text editor [NOT word processor] or workaround? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-03-16 15:00 +0100
        Re: Suitable text editor [NOT word processor] or workaround? Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2017-03-17 10:50 +0100
          Re: Suitable text editor [NOT word processor] or workaround? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-03-17 12:40 +0100
            Re: Suitable text editor [NOT word processor] or workaround? Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2017-03-17 15:30 +0100
              Re: Suitable text editor [NOT word processor] or workaround? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-03-17 15:50 +0100
      Re: Suitable text editor [NOT word processor] or workaround? Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2017-03-16 23:30 +0100
    Re: Suitable text editor [NOT word processor] or workaround? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 13:10 +0100
      Re: Suitable text editor [NOT word processor] or workaround? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-03-16 14:30 +0100
    Re: Suitable text editor [NOT word processor] or workaround? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-03-16 13:20 +0100
      Re: Suitable text editor [NOT word processor] or workaround? John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2017-03-16 14:00 +0100
      Re: Suitable text editor [NOT word processor] or workaround? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-03-16 14:40 +0100
        Re: Suitable text editor [NOT word processor] or workaround? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-03-16 14:50 +0100
          Re: Suitable text editor [NOT word processor] or workaround? rhkramer@gmail.com - 2017-03-16 15:10 +0100
            Re: Suitable text editor [NOT word processor] or workaround? Christian Groessler <chris@groessler.org> - 2017-03-16 15:50 +0100
              Re: Suitable text editor [NOT word processor] or workaround? rhkramer@gmail.com - 2017-03-16 17:50 +0100
            Re: Suitable text editor [NOT word processor] or workaround? John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2017-03-16 17:40 +0100
    Re: Suitable text editor [NOT word processor] or workaround? Andreas Ronnquist <mailinglists@gusnan.se> - 2017-03-16 13:30 +0100
      Re: Suitable text editor [NOT word processor] or workaround? Andreas Ronnquist <mailinglists@gusnan.se> - 2017-03-16 13:30 +0100
        Re: Suitable text editor [NOT word processor] or workaround? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-03-16 15:00 +0100
          Re: Suitable text editor [NOT word processor] or workaround? Andreas Ronnquist <mailinglists@gusnan.se> - 2017-03-16 15:30 +0100
    Re: Suitable text editor [NOT word processor] or workaround? Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2017-03-16 13:30 +0100
      Re: Suitable text editor [NOT word processor] or workaround? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-03-16 15:10 +0100
        Re: Suitable text editor [NOT word processor] or workaround? Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2017-03-16 19:20 +0100
    Re: Suitable text editor [NOT word processor] or workaround? John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2017-03-16 14:00 +0100
      Re: Suitable text editor [NOT word processor] or workaround? davidson@freevolt.org - 2017-03-17 20:20 +0100
        Re: Suitable text editor [NOT word processor] or workaround? davidson@freevolt.org - 2017-03-17 20:50 +0100
    Re: Suitable text editor [NOT word processor] or workaround? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2017-03-16 14:40 +0100
    Re: Suitable text editor [NOT word processor] or workaround? Fred <fred@blakemfg.com> - 2017-03-16 15:20 +0100
      Re: Suitable text editor [NOT word processor] or workaround? Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2017-03-16 23:20 +0100
    Re: Suitable text editor [NOT word processor] or workaround? Charlie Kravetz <cjk@teamcharliesangels.com> - 2017-03-16 15:50 +0100
    Re: Suitable text editor [NOT word processor] or workaround? cbannister@slingshot.co.nz - 2017-04-01 18:00 +0200
      Re: Suitable text editor [NOT word processor] or workaround? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-04-01 18:30 +0200
        Re: Suitable text editor [NOT word processor] or workaround? Fred <fred@blakemfg.com> - 2017-04-01 21:40 +0200
          Re: Suitable text editor [NOT word processor] or workaround? Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> - 2017-04-02 13:20 +0200
        Re: Suitable text editor [NOT word processor] or workaround? Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2017-04-02 13:30 +0200
      Re: Suitable text editor [NOT word processor] or workaround? Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2017-04-01 18:50 +0200

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#178906

On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 13:16:19 +0100,
Andreas Ronnquist<mailinglists@gusnan.se> wrote:

>On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 06:38:52 -0500,
>Richard Owlett<rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:
>
>>My environment is Jessie (8.6.0) with MATE desktop.
>>I require two things:
>>  1. a search and replace which can include a "newline" in new string.
>>  2. display/edit 2 files simultaneously *side by side*
>>
>>MATE's standard editor (Pluma) can handle the first easily.
>>
>>I see no way to open 2 instances of Pluma in separate windows - a la
>>Notepad in WindowsXP. Pluma will only open multiple files in multiple
>>tabs.
>>
>>The two files are nearly identical and need them displayed
>>simultaneously for instant visual comparison. Opening one of the files
>>read only would be acceptable but not preferable.
>>  
>
>You are looking for the --new-window option, from the terminal:
>
>pluma file1.txt &
>pluma --new-window file2.txt &
>

And there is a menu option when right-clicking a tab (if there is
more than one tab open in Pluma) - "Move to New Window"

(Both these options are on Pluma 1.16.0, from unstable - the
functionality might not be available in older versions).

-- Andreas Rönnquist
mailinglists@gusnan.se
gusnan@openmailbox.org

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#178917

On 03/16/2017 07:27 AM, Andreas Ronnquist wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 13:16:19 +0100,
> Andreas Ronnquist<mailinglists@gusnan.se> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 06:38:52 -0500,
>> Richard Owlett<rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:
>>
>>> My environment is Jessie (8.6.0) with MATE desktop.
>>> I require two things:
>>>  1. a search and replace which can include a "newline" in new string.
>>>  2. display/edit 2 files simultaneously *side by side*
>>>
>>> MATE's standard editor (Pluma) can handle the first easily.
>>>
>>> I see no way to open 2 instances of Pluma in separate windows - a la
>>> Notepad in WindowsXP. Pluma will only open multiple files in multiple
>>> tabs.
>>>
>>> The two files are nearly identical and need them displayed
>>> simultaneously for instant visual comparison. Opening one of the files
>>> read only would be acceptable but not preferable.
>>>
>>
>> You are looking for the --new-window option, from the terminal:
>>
>> pluma file1.txt &
>> pluma --new-window file2.txt &
>>

That's a neat solution.
What should I have read that I obviously didn't?

>
> And there is a menu option when right-clicking a tab (if there is
> more than one tab open in Pluma) - "Move to New Window"
>
> (Both these options are on Pluma 1.16.0, from unstable - the
> functionality might not be available in older versions).
>

It's not available in Pluma 1.8.1 but your first suggestion works nicely.
Thanks

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#178923

On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 08:56:12 -0500,
Richard Owlett<rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:

>On 03/16/2017 07:27 AM, Andreas Ronnquist wrote:
>> On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 13:16:19 +0100,
>> Andreas Ronnquist<mailinglists@gusnan.se> wrote:
>>  
>>> On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 06:38:52 -0500,
>>> Richard Owlett<rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:
>>>  
>>>> My environment is Jessie (8.6.0) with MATE desktop.
>>>> I require two things:
>>>>  1. a search and replace which can include a "newline" in new
>>>> string. 2. display/edit 2 files simultaneously *side by side*
>>>>
>>>> MATE's standard editor (Pluma) can handle the first easily.
>>>>
>>>> I see no way to open 2 instances of Pluma in separate windows - a
>>>> la Notepad in WindowsXP. Pluma will only open multiple files in
>>>> multiple tabs.
>>>>
>>>> The two files are nearly identical and need them displayed
>>>> simultaneously for instant visual comparison. Opening one of the
>>>> files read only would be acceptable but not preferable.
>>>>  
>>>
>>> You are looking for the --new-window option, from the terminal:
>>>
>>> pluma file1.txt &
>>> pluma --new-window file2.txt &
>>>  
>
>That's a neat solution.
>What should I have read that I obviously didn't?

pluma --help

-- Andreas Rönnquist
mailinglists@gusnan.se
gusnan@openmailbox.org

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#178905

On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 06:38:52 -0500
Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:

> My environment is Jessie (8.6.0) with MATE desktop.
> I require two things:
>   1. a search and replace which can include a "newline" in new string.
>   2. display/edit 2 files simultaneously *side by side*
> 
> MATE's standard editor (Pluma) can handle the first easily.
> 
> I see no way to open 2 instances of Pluma in separate windows - a la 
> Notepad in WindowsXP. Pluma will only open multiple files in multiple
> tabs.

So will gedit, but have you tried right-clicking and seeing if you get
'open in another window' as gedit does?
> 
> The two files are nearly identical and need them displayed 
> simultaneously for instant visual comparison. Opening one of the
> files read only would be acceptable but not preferable.
> 

Yes, that does suggest a programming tool such as geany, or a graphical
file diff utility. I don't use one in Linux, but there are several.
http://www.tecmint.com/best-linux-file-diff-tools-comparison/

-- 
Joe

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#178920

On 03/16/2017 07:20 AM, Joe wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 06:38:52 -0500
> Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:
>
>> My environment is Jessie (8.6.0) with MATE desktop.
>> I require two things:
>>   1. a search and replace which can include a "newline" in new string.
>>   2. display/edit 2 files simultaneously *side by side*
>>
>> MATE's standard editor (Pluma) can handle the first easily.
>>
>> I see no way to open 2 instances of Pluma in separate windows - a la
>> Notepad in WindowsXP. Pluma will only open multiple files in multiple
>> tabs.
>
> So will gedit, but have you tried right-clicking and seeing if you get
> 'open in another window' as gedit does?

The version I have does not, but evidently the latest does.

>>
>> The two files are nearly identical and need them displayed
>> simultaneously for instant visual comparison. Opening one of the
>> files read only would be acceptable but not preferable.
>>
>
> Yes, that does suggest a programming tool such as geany, or a graphical
> file diff utility. I don't use one in Linux, but there are several.
> http://www.tecmint.com/best-linux-file-diff-tools-comparison/
>

I don't need a diff tool exactly. I need to do a _visual_ comparison 
make sure I'm editing the right portion.
I might say I was looking for an "analog" not "digital" solution.

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#178934

On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 09:04:00 -0500
Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:

> On 03/16/2017 07:20 AM, Joe wrote:
> > On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 06:38:52 -0500
> > Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:
> >  

> >>
> >> The two files are nearly identical and need them displayed
> >> simultaneously for instant visual comparison. Opening one of the
> >> files read only would be acceptable but not preferable.
> >>  
> >
> > Yes, that does suggest a programming tool such as geany, or a
> > graphical file diff utility. I don't use one in Linux, but there
> > are several.
> > http://www.tecmint.com/best-linux-file-diff-tools-comparison/ 
> 
> I don't need a diff tool exactly. I need to do a _visual_ comparison 
> make sure I'm editing the right portion.
> I might say I was looking for an "analog" not "digital" solution.
> 

Nothing actually prevents you from looking at the screen while you have
the two files open. You are free to ignore the helpful highlighting...

That's why I explicitly said 'graphical', I can see that a command-line
diff is no use here, but if you want to mess around with
near-identical text files, a GUI diff program will give you the
maximum possible help.

-- 
Joe

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#178908

Richard Owlett writes:
> I require two things:
> 1. a search and replace which can include a "newline" in new string.
> 2. display/edit 2 files simultaneously *side by side*

Emacs.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhasler@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

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#178973

On Thu, 16 Mar 2017, John Hasler wrote:

> Richard Owlett writes:
>> I require two things:
>> 1. a search and replace which can include a "newline" in new string.
>> 2. display/edit 2 files simultaneously *side by side*
>
> Emacs.

In case OP decides to install emacs, given his previously expressed
appreciation of fine documentation, I recommend installing also (for
the chosen version NN of emacs) the emacsNN-common-non-dfsg package
from the non-free repository.

This is the simplest way of installing the info pages for emacs.

That they happen to reside in non-free is conceivably unexpected, so
it bears special mention.

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#178975

On Fri, 17 Mar 2017, davidson@freevolt.org wrote:

> In case OP decides to install emacs, given his previously expressed
> appreciation of fine documentation, I recommend installing also (for
> the chosen version NN of emacs) the emacsNN-common-non-dfsg package
> from the non-free repository.
>
> This is the simplest way of installing the info pages for emacs.

Hrm. Installing XXX is the simplest way of installing XXX. Very
insightful.

The second instance of "installing" should probably have been
"obtaining".

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#178913

>  1. a search and replace which can include a "newline" in new string.
>  2. display/edit 2 files simultaneously *side by side*

Really?
I find it hard to believe that there could be editors out there which
don't satisfy both of those.

Of course, I'd recommend Emacs, but really: *any* editor should do (even
in version 0.01).


        Stefan

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#178922

On 03/16/2017 04:38 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> My environment is Jessie (8.6.0) with MATE desktop.
> I require two things:
>  1. a search and replace which can include a "newline" in new string.
>  2. display/edit 2 files simultaneously *side by side*
>
> MATE's standard editor (Pluma) can handle the first easily.
>
> I see no way to open 2 instances of Pluma in separate windows - a la 
> Notepad in WindowsXP. Pluma will only open multiple files in multiple 
> tabs.
>
> The two files are nearly identical and need them displayed 
> simultaneously for instant visual comparison. Opening one of the files 
> read only would be acceptable but not preferable.
>
> Suggestions?
> TIA
>
>
>
I recommend Nedit.
Best regards,
Fred

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#178937

On 17/03/17 02:56, Fred wrote:
> I recommend Nedit.

Ah, rectangular cut and paste, how do I miss thee. I abandoned nedit for 
the allure of scalable fonts (in gedit then geany), but still remember 
it fondly.

Kind regards,

-- 
Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz>
Director
Transient Software Limited <http://transient.nz/>
New Zealand

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#178924

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On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 06:38:52 -0500
Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:

>My environment is Jessie (8.6.0) with MATE desktop.
>I require two things:
>  1. a search and replace which can include a "newline" in new string.
>  2. display/edit 2 files simultaneously *side by side*
>
>MATE's standard editor (Pluma) can handle the first easily.
>
>I see no way to open 2 instances of Pluma in separate windows - a la 
>Notepad in WindowsXP. Pluma will only open multiple files in multiple tabs.
>
>The two files are nearly identical and need them displayed 
>simultaneously for instant visual comparison. Opening one of the files 
>read only would be acceptable but not preferable.
>
>Suggestions?
>TIA
>
>

Medit does this with out adding tons of other files. It can be fully
customized when wanted, yet does not need to run in a big window.

- -- 
Charlie Kravetz
Linux Registered User Number 425914
[http://linuxcounter.net/user/425914.html]
Never let anyone steal your DREAM.   [http://keepingdreams.com]
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#179686

On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 06:38:52AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> The two files are nearly identical and need them displayed simultaneously
> for instant visual comparison. Opening one of the files read only would be
> acceptable but not preferable.

apt-cache show diffutils

(perhaps there is no need for a desktop on a "minimum" install.) :)

-- 
The media's the most powerful entity on earth. 
They have the power to make the innocent guilty 
and to make the guilty innocent, and that's power.
 -- Malcolm X

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#179689

On 04/01/2017 10:55 AM, cbannister@slingshot.co.nz wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 06:38:52AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
>> The two files are nearly identical and need them displayed simultaneously
>> for instant visual comparison. Opening one of the files read only would be
>> acceptable but not preferable.
>
> apt-cache show diffutils
>
> (perhaps there is no need for a desktop on a "minimum" install.) :)
>

On 03/16/2017 09:04 AM, I {the OP} had written:
 >
 > I don't need a diff tool exactly. I need to do a _visual_ comparison
 > to make sure I'm editing the right portion.
 > I might say I was looking for an "analog" not "digital" solution.

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#179699

On 04/01/2017 09:24 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 04/01/2017 10:55 AM, cbannister@slingshot.co.nz wrote:
>> On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 06:38:52AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
>>> The two files are nearly identical and need them displayed 
>>> simultaneously
>>> for instant visual comparison. Opening one of the files read only 
>>> would be
>>> acceptable but not preferable.
>>
>> apt-cache show diffutils
>>
>> (perhaps there is no need for a desktop on a "minimum" install.) :)
>>
>
> On 03/16/2017 09:04 AM, I {the OP} had written:
> >
> > I don't need a diff tool exactly. I need to do a _visual_ comparison
> > to make sure I'm editing the right portion.
> > I might say I was looking for an "analog" not "digital" solution.
>
>
>
>
>
I recommend nedit.  I have used it for assembler programming for many years.

Best regards,
Fred

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#179708

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On Sat, Apr 1, 2017 at 14:36 Fred <fred@blakemfg.com> wrote:

> On 04/01/2017 09:24 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > On 04/01/2017 10:55 AM, cbannister@slingshot.co.nz wrote:
> >> On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 06:38:52AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> >>> The two files are nearly identical and need them displayed
> >>> simultaneously
> >>> for instant visual comparison. Opening one of the files read only
> >>> would be
> >>> acceptable but not preferable.


Try diffuse.

-Tom

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#179709

On 2017-04-01, Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> wrote:
>
> On 03/16/2017 09:04 AM, I {the OP} had written:
> >
> > I don't need a diff tool exactly. I need to do a _visual_ comparison
> > to make sure I'm editing the right portion.
> > I might say I was looking for an "analog" not "digital" solution.
>

There's meld. 

-- 
"It might be a vision--of a shell, of a wheelbarrow, of a fairy kingdom on the
far side of the hedge; or it might be the glory of speed; no one knew." --Mrs.
Ramsay, speculating on why her little daughter might be dashing about, in "To
the Lighthouse," by Virginia Woolf.

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#179690

On 2017-04-01, cbannister@slingshot.co.nz <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 06:38:52AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
>> The two files are nearly identical and need them displayed simultaneously
>> for instant visual comparison. Opening one of the files read only would be
>> acceptable but not preferable.
>
> apt-cache show diffutils
>
> (perhaps there is no need for a desktop on a "minimum" install.) :)
>

What kind of files are these, anyway? vimdiff seems fine, but for word
differences (as between two literary texts, let's say) it's worthless
(although there may be a plugin or another way).


-- 
"It might be a vision--of a shell, of a wheelbarrow, of a fairy kingdom on the
far side of the hedge; or it might be the glory of speed; no one knew." --Mrs.
Ramsay, speculating on why her little daughter might be dashing about, in "To
the Lighthouse," by Virginia Woolf.

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