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| Started by | Lone Learner <learnerlone@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2017-03-09 05:40 +0100 |
| Last post | 2017-03-23 09:00 +0100 |
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Testing CDs for GNOME3, KDE and LXDE are missing from the download page Lone Learner <learnerlone@gmail.com> - 2017-03-09 05:40 +0100
Re: Testing CDs for GNOME3, KDE and LXDE are missing from the download page Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2017-03-09 10:30 +0100
[Clarification?] Re: Testing CDs for GNOME3, KDE and LXDE are missing from the download page Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-03-09 12:40 +0100
Re: [Clarification?] Re: Testing CDs for GNOME3, KDE and LXDE are missing from the download page Dominik George <nik@naturalnet.de> - 2017-03-09 13:00 +0100
Re: [Clarification?] Re: Testing CDs for GNOME3, KDE and LXDE are missing from the download page Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2017-03-09 14:10 +0100
Re: Testing CDs for GNOME3, KDE and LXDE are missing from the download page Lone Learner <learnerlone@gmail.com> - 2017-03-12 04:50 +0100
Re: Testing CDs for GNOME3, KDE and LXDE are missing from the download page Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-03-12 05:50 +0100
Re: Testing CDs for GNOME3, KDE and LXDE are missing from the download page Lone Learner <learnerlone@gmail.com> - 2017-03-12 08:50 +0100
Re: Testing CDs for GNOME3, KDE and LXDE are missing from the download page Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2017-03-16 16:10 +0100
Re: Testing CDs for GNOME3, KDE and LXDE are missing from the download page Lone Learner <learnerlone@gmail.com> - 2017-03-23 09:00 +0100
| From | Lone Learner <learnerlone@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-09 05:40 +0100 |
| Subject | Testing CDs for GNOME3, KDE and LXDE are missing from the download page |
| Message-ID | <tiY1P-8jM-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
The download page for Debian stable CDs at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/ has a bunch of options like CD-1, CD-2, etc., KDE, LXDE and XFCE. But the download page for Debian testing CDs at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/ does not seem to have CD-1 (GNOME3), KDE, LXDE, etc. Why is that? Where can I download the testing CDs for GNOME3, KDE, LXDE, etc.?
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| From | Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-09 10:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <tj2yv-3cS-37@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #178592 |
learnerlone@gmail.com wrote: >The download page for Debian stable CDs at >http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/ has a bunch >of options like CD-1, CD-2, etc., KDE, LXDE and XFCE. > >But the download page for Debian testing CDs at >http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/ does not >seem to have CD-1 (GNOME3), KDE, LXDE, etc. > >Why is that? We've stopped building CDs for most purposes - they're just too small to be useful in a lot of cases, and have been causing issues for users. We also switched to offering the choice of desktop at tasksel time, which makes it less important to offer multiple different CDs tuned to install each desktop. For some time now we've only been building two CDs per architecture: the netinst and *1* single-desktop installer CD for xfce. If you want to install other desktops, grab the netinst and select during installation or use DVD#1. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK. steve@einval.com < liw> everything I know about UK hotels I learned from "Fawlty Towers"
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| From | Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> |
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| Date | 2017-03-09 12:40 +0100 |
| Subject | [Clarification?] Re: Testing CDs for GNOME3, KDE and LXDE are missing from the download page |
| Message-ID | <tj4Ah-4xS-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #178600 |
On 3/9/2017 3:21 AM, Steve McIntyre wrote: > learnerlone@gmail.com wrote: >> The download page for Debian stable CDs at >> http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/ has a bunch >> of options like CD-1, CD-2, etc., KDE, LXDE and XFCE. >> >> But the download page for Debian testing CDs at >> http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/ does not >> seem to have CD-1 (GNOME3), KDE, LXDE, etc. >> >> Why is that? > > We've stopped building CDs for most purposes - they're just too small > to be useful in a lot of cases, and have been causing issues for > users. We also switched to offering the choice of desktop at tasksel > time, which makes it less important to offer multiple different CDs > tuned to install each desktop. > > For some time now we've only been building two CDs per architecture: > the netinst and *1* single-desktop installer CD for xfce. If you want > to install other desktops, grab the netinst and select during > installation or use DVD#1. > I hope that applies only to pre-release versions. I am bandwidth limited and depend on purchased DVD sets of released versions. TIA
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| From | Dominik George <nik@naturalnet.de> |
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| Date | 2017-03-09 13:00 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: [Clarification?] Re: Testing CDs for GNOME3, KDE and LXDE are missing from the download page |
| Message-ID | <tj4TF-4Fc-43@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #178607 |
>I hope that applies only to pre-release versions. >I am bandwidth limited and depend on purchased DVD sets of >released versions. >TIA The different *CD* sets are vanishing, not the general *DVD* sets. -nik
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| From | Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-09 14:10 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: [Clarification?] Re: Testing CDs for GNOME3, KDE and LXDE are missing from the download page |
| Message-ID | <tj5Zo-5Ce-23@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #178609 |
nik@naturalnet.de wrote: >>I hope that applies only to pre-release versions. >>I am bandwidth limited and depend on purchased DVD sets of >>released versions. >>TIA > >The different *CD* sets are vanishing, not the general *DVD* sets. Exactly. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK. steve@einval.com < liw> everything I know about UK hotels I learned from "Fawlty Towers"
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| From | Lone Learner <learnerlone@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-12 04:50 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Testing CDs for GNOME3, KDE and LXDE are missing from the download page |
| Message-ID | <tk2G5-49J-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #178600 |
On 9 March 2017 at 14:51, Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> wrote: > learnerlone@gmail.com wrote: >>The download page for Debian stable CDs at >>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/ has a bunch >>of options like CD-1, CD-2, etc., KDE, LXDE and XFCE. >> >>But the download page for Debian testing CDs at >>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/ does not >>seem to have CD-1 (GNOME3), KDE, LXDE, etc. >> >>Why is that? > > We've stopped building CDs for most purposes - they're just too small > to be useful in a lot of cases, and have been causing issues for > users. We also switched to offering the choice of desktop at tasksel > time, which makes it less important to offer multiple different CDs > tuned to install each desktop. > > For some time now we've only been building two CDs per architecture: > the netinst and *1* single-desktop installer CD for xfce. If you want > to install other desktops, grab the netinst and select during > installation or use DVD#1. > > -- > Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK. steve@einval.com Can someone please share why the single-desktop installer CD was made in favour of Xfce? Why was not some other desktop like GNOM3, KDE or LXDE selected for the single-desktop installer CD?
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| From | Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2017-03-12 05:50 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Testing CDs for GNOME3, KDE and LXDE are missing from the download page |
| Message-ID | <tk3C9-4Nm-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #178702 |
Lone Learner composed on 2017-03-12 09:17 (UTC-0530): > Can someone please share why the single-desktop installer CD was made > in favour of Xfce? Why was not some other desktop like GNOM3, KDE or > LXDE selected for the single-desktop installer CD? Dunno, but I have to guess it is the most popular "complete" DE that actually can be fit onto a live CD along with the other utility expected of live media. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
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| From | Lone Learner <learnerlone@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-12 08:50 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Testing CDs for GNOME3, KDE and LXDE are missing from the download page |
| Message-ID | <tk6ql-6Jd-21@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #178703 |
On 12 March 2017 at 10:16, Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> wrote: > Lone Learner composed on 2017-03-12 09:17 (UTC-0530): > >> Can someone please share why the single-desktop installer CD was made >> in favour of Xfce? Why was not some other desktop like GNOM3, KDE or >> LXDE selected for the single-desktop installer CD? > > > Dunno, but I have to guess it is the most popular "complete" DE that > actually can be fit onto a live CD along with the other utility expected of > live media. > > Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ I am not talking about live CD here. I am talking about regular installer CD.
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| From | Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-16 16:10 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Testing CDs for GNOME3, KDE and LXDE are missing from the download page |
| Message-ID | <tlFcm-97-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #178702 |
On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 09:17:49AM +0530, Lone Learner wrote: >On 9 March 2017 at 14:51, Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> wrote: >> >> We've stopped building CDs for most purposes - they're just too small >> to be useful in a lot of cases, and have been causing issues for >> users. We also switched to offering the choice of desktop at tasksel >> time, which makes it less important to offer multiple different CDs >> tuned to install each desktop. >> >> For some time now we've only been building two CDs per architecture: >> the netinst and *1* single-desktop installer CD for xfce. If you want >> to install other desktops, grab the netinst and select during >> installation or use DVD#1. > >Can someone please share why the single-desktop installer CD was made >in favour of Xfce? Why was not some other desktop like GNOM3, KDE or >LXDE selected for the single-desktop installer CD? Gnome and KDE don't fit on a single CD - we've been struggling for a couple of releases to get a reasonable subset of each to fit, and it's just not working any more. We actually dropped the CDs altogether for a while, then on request brought back XFCE as a lone option for a single-CD desktop. XFCE is reasonably small. and popular enough. CDs are basically dead - the world moved on to DVDs several years ago, and now USB flash is probably most common for most users. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK. steve@einval.com Is there anybody out there?
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| From | Lone Learner <learnerlone@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-23 09:00 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Testing CDs for GNOME3, KDE and LXDE are missing from the download page |
| Message-ID | <to5P3-7B0-13@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #178926 |
It makes sense that CDs are dead. But it still helps a user like me if the download size that is around 600MB to 700 MB, which is one-fifth the size of a DVD download thereby saving me bandwidth cost while being large enough to contain most of the essential software I need. netinst is too restrictive for me because I would like to write the ISO on to a CD or USB drive once and then use that to bring up my base system for the next few years. DVD is too large for me because the download five times bigger. A 600 MB to 700 MB CD download is just right for me. I understand that Gnome and KDE no longer fits in a 700 MB CD and that's fine. I also appreciate that you guys are making an effort to still provide XFCE CDs. It really does not matter whether you call it CD or DVD as long as you can provide me a 600-700 MB download. I am pretty sure there would be users who would similarly prefer 700 MB downloads for LXDE. On 16 March 2017 at 20:33, Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> wrote: > On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 09:17:49AM +0530, Lone Learner wrote: >>On 9 March 2017 at 14:51, Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> wrote: >>> >>> We've stopped building CDs for most purposes - they're just too small >>> to be useful in a lot of cases, and have been causing issues for >>> users. We also switched to offering the choice of desktop at tasksel >>> time, which makes it less important to offer multiple different CDs >>> tuned to install each desktop. >>> >>> For some time now we've only been building two CDs per architecture: >>> the netinst and *1* single-desktop installer CD for xfce. If you want >>> to install other desktops, grab the netinst and select during >>> installation or use DVD#1. >> >>Can someone please share why the single-desktop installer CD was made >>in favour of Xfce? Why was not some other desktop like GNOM3, KDE or >>LXDE selected for the single-desktop installer CD? > > Gnome and KDE don't fit on a single CD - we've been struggling for a > couple of releases to get a reasonable subset of each to fit, and it's > just not working any more. We actually dropped the CDs altogether for > a while, then on request brought back XFCE as a lone option for a > single-CD desktop. XFCE is reasonably small. and popular enough. > > CDs are basically dead - the world moved on to DVDs several years ago, > and now USB flash is probably most common for most users. > > -- > Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK. steve@einval.com > Is there anybody out there? >
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