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  Skype Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2017-02-07 22:20 +0100
    Re: Skype deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 22:30 +0100
      Re: Skype Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2017-02-07 22:50 +0100
        Re: Skype deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2017-02-07 23:50 +0100
          Re: Skype Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2017-02-08 00:20 +0100
            Re: Skype deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 01:40 +0100
              Re: Skype Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2017-02-08 03:40 +0100
                Re: Skype deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 07:40 +0100
                  Re: Skype <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-02-08 08:10 +0100
                    Re: Skype deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 19:40 +0100
                  Re: Skype Daniel Bareiro <daniel-listas@gmx.net> - 2017-02-08 12:10 +0100
                    Re: Skype Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2017-02-08 14:30 +0100
                  Re: Skype Cindy-Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2017-03-04 21:20 +0100
    Re: Skype "Joshua M. Boniface" <joshua@boniface.me> - 2017-02-07 22:50 +0100
    Re: Skype ken <gebser@mousecar.com> - 2017-02-09 01:50 +0100
    Re: Skype Daniel Bareiro <daniel-listas@gmx.net> - 2017-03-04 16:50 +0100
      Re: Skype deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2017-03-04 21:10 +0100

#177534 — Skype

Skype on Linux is terrible and crashes randomly, even after fixing the
Pulseaudio issue. No other software I've ever used on Linux causes as
many problems as Skype. Obviously this problem ultimately comes from
Microsoft, but nevertheless many of us need Skype for communications
with colleagues running a non-Linux OS since it is the overwhelming
market leader in VOIP; this is especially common in a business environment.

Skype needs to run on Linux with the same stability that it does on
Windows and MacOS, WITHOUT resorting to installing WINE, and preferably
without relying on WebRTC.

If you could develop a non-Skype Linux client with the ability to easily
communicate on the Skype platform --- something open source but which
has compatibility with Skype, coordinated with Microsoft --- that would
be ideal. But relying on Microsoft to develop good software for Linux
has proven to be a losing proposition and I'm sure is stifling the
adoption of Linux by a wider audience.

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#177535

Anonymous wrote:

> Skype on Linux is terrible and crashes randomly, even after fixing the
> Pulseaudio issue.

I use debian jessie and skype 4.3.0.37 on daily basis - no idea what you are
talking about.

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#177537

On 08/02/17 10:20, deloptes wrote:
> Anonymous wrote:
>> Skype on Linux is terrible and crashes randomly, even after fixing the
>> Pulseaudio issue.
> I use debian jessie and skype 4.3.0.37 on daily basis - no idea what you are
> talking about.

I use Skype 4.3.0.37 i386 on unstable. While it still works for Skype 
Out, group calls and chat now require cloud connections and do not work. 
For group calls and chat, I use Skype for Web in Chrome.

The worst news is that Microsoft are shutting down Skype p2p in three 
weeks (on 1 March). I expect that I will no longer be able to sign in 
with Skype 4.3.0.37. I did not receive any email notifying me of this. I 
only heard about it online:
https://apple.slashdot.org/story/17/02/04/059204/microsoft-is-disabling-older-versions-of-skype-for-mac-and-windows-on-march-1
http://venturebeat.com/2017/02/03/microsoft-is-disabling-older-versions-of-skype-for-mac-and-windows-on-march-1/
https://blogs.skype.com/news/2017/02/03/the-skype-you-love-is-getting-better-download-it-for-free-today/
https://community.skype.com/t5/Linux/Skype-for-Linux-End-of-life/td-p/4586741
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/02/skype-for-linux-end-of-life-march

I am hoping that Skype for Web will meet my needs. The interface seems 
clunkier, is missing some functionality, and chat history is discarded 
after a short time (30 days?). Core functionality seems to work.

On the up-side, once Skype 4.3.0.37 is gone, I am one Brother printer 
driver away from ditching the entire i386 architecture.

Kind regards,

-- 
Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz>
Director
Transient Software Limited <http://transient.nz/>
New Zealand

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#177538

Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote:

> On 08/02/17 10:20, deloptes wrote:
>> Anonymous wrote:
>>> Skype on Linux is terrible and crashes randomly, even after fixing the
>>> Pulseaudio issue.
>> I use debian jessie and skype 4.3.0.37 on daily basis - no idea what you
>> are talking about.
> 
> I use Skype 4.3.0.37 i386 on unstable. While it still works for Skype
> Out, group calls and chat now require cloud connections and do not work.
> For group calls and chat, I use Skype for Web in Chrome.
> 
> The worst news is that Microsoft are shutting down Skype p2p in three
> weeks (on 1 March). I expect that I will no longer be able to sign in
> with Skype 4.3.0.37. I did not receive any email notifying me of this. I
> only heard about it online:
>
https://apple.slashdot.org/story/17/02/04/059204/microsoft-is-disabling-older-versions-of-skype-for-mac-and-windows-on-march-1
>
http://venturebeat.com/2017/02/03/microsoft-is-disabling-older-versions-of-skype-for-mac-and-windows-on-march-1/
>
https://blogs.skype.com/news/2017/02/03/the-skype-you-love-is-getting-better-download-it-for-free-today/
>
https://community.skype.com/t5/Linux/Skype-for-Linux-End-of-life/td-p/4586741
> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/02/skype-for-linux-end-of-life-march
> 
> I am hoping that Skype for Web will meet my needs. The interface seems
> clunkier, is missing some functionality, and chat history is discarded
> after a short time (30 days?). Core functionality seems to work.
> 
> On the up-side, once Skype 4.3.0.37 is gone, I am one Brother printer
> driver away from ditching the entire i386 architecture.
> 
> Kind regards,

Very interesting. I log in to skype for web. It says at the top:
"Interested in richer and more integrated experience? Download the official
desktop app. Download"

When I "download" I get debian package "skypeforlinux-64-alpha.deb"

installing this creates

cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/skype-stable.list
deb [arch=amd64] https://repo.skype.com/deb stable main

and skypeforlinux runs with a somewhat newer theme, however sound is not
working for me - I just tried "Skype Test Call". Well it says it's Alpha,
so might be they'll release a working beta until 1. March.
Or it might be finally time to change to something else ... I evaluated
recently Tox...

Very interesting story - thanks

regards

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#177539

On 08/02/17 11:49, deloptes wrote:
> Very interesting. I log in to skype for web. It says at the top:
> "Interested in richer and more integrated experience? Download the official
> desktop app. Download"
> When I "download" I get debian package "skypeforlinux-64-alpha.deb"
> installing this creates
> cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/skype-stable.list
> deb [arch=amd64] https://repo.skype.com/deb stable main
> and skypeforlinux runs with a somewhat newer theme, however sound is not
> working for me - I just tried "Skype Test Call". Well it says it's Alpha,
> so might be they'll release a working beta until 1. March.
> Or it might be finally time to change to something else ... I evaluated
> recently Tox...
> Very interesting story - thanks
> regards

I have not used it but, according to this Slashdot comment, "Skype for 
Linux" is Skype for Web in Chromium:
https://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10202241&cid=53802307

Sound works for me in Skype for Web under the non-free Chrome.

If the comment above is correct, I do not see the point of "Skype for 
Linux". A software product that contains a web browser so that it can 
connect to a single web site is in my view a deployment anti-pattern 
because it (1) duplicates the installation of software, and (2) defeats 
the purpose of the web (interoperability).

Kind regards,

-- 
Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz>
Director
Transient Software Limited <http://transient.nz/>
New Zealand

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#177540

Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote:

> Sound works for me in Skype for Web under the non-free Chrome.

haha indeed - and what about video, have you tested it? does it work in
chrome too?


And another product buried by M$ ... in fact the biggest one was Nokia
though - IMO ... well done Europe ... well done US ... well done China.
IMO linux as desktop will be just a toy for kids soon ...  and perhaps
developers.

Regarding OS I now have a big choice on the phone market (android various
versions), I have a big choice on the desktop market as well and I have soo
much choice @work - I can choose between M$ and M$ ... oh well there is
Apple as well - I never understood how it works and why it exists :D - oh
yes - I forgot, M$ is keeping it alive ... because otherwise they'll break
apart M$.

Very nice world! Thank you all! In the past 17y we've done excellent work!
KDE became unusable, Gnome became ugly ... but most important we are happy,
multi cultural, refugee-welcome, anti-trump, vegetarian, hipster, raspberry
society ... Sooo many useful things we've done in those past years. I
forgot mentioning saving so many too-big-to-fails ... so that investment in
education went down everywhere ... And don't forget more people have access
to food and water today than 20y ago ... because, well, those that didn't
are already dead.

*irony off*

regards

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#177542

On 08/02/17 13:32, deloptes wrote:
> Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote:
>> Sound works for me in Skype for Web under the non-free Chrome.
> haha indeed - and what about video, have you tested it? does it work in
> chrome too?

I have not tried a video call.

> I can choose between M$ and M$ ... oh well there is Apple as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSZfUnCK5qk
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080455/quotes?item=qt0320035
Elwood: What kind of music do you usually have here?
Claire: Oh, we got both kinds. We got country *and* western.

> Very nice world!

Trevor Noah; all the news you need:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwWhs_6x42TyRM4Wstoq8HA

Kind regards,

-- 
Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz>
Director
Transient Software Limited <http://transient.nz/>
New Zealand

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#177544

Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote:

> On 08/02/17 13:32, deloptes wrote:
>> Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote:
>>> Sound works for me in Skype for Web under the non-free Chrome.
>> haha indeed - and what about video, have you tested it? does it work in
>> chrome too?
> 
> I have not tried a video call.
> 
>> I can choose between M$ and M$ ... oh well there is Apple as well
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSZfUnCK5qk
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080455/quotes?item=qt0320035
> Elwood: What kind of music do you usually have here?
> Claire: Oh, we got both kinds. We got country *and* western.
> 
>> Very nice world!
> 
> Trevor Noah; all the news you need:
> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwWhs_6x42TyRM4Wstoq8HA
> 
> Kind regards,

Thanks ... except that it is not really funny. But well, every culture has
its middle ages .... unfortunately no one gets it ATM.

If we are pragmatic it was a joke that skype was ported to linux, we'll need
to find another way. I'm thinking of mere SIP phone or just dropping the
desktop and using windows anyway. There was too much disappointment
recently from the linux side.

regards

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#177545

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On Wed, Feb 08, 2017 at 07:36:58AM +0100, deloptes wrote:
> Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote:
> 
> > On 08/02/17 13:32, deloptes wrote:
> >> Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote:
> >>> Sound works for me in Skype for Web under the non-free Chrome.
> >> haha indeed - and what about video, have you tested it? does it work in
> >> chrome too?
> > 
> > I have not tried a video call.
> > 
> >> I can choose between M$ and M$ ... oh well there is Apple as well
> > 
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSZfUnCK5qk
> > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080455/quotes?item=qt0320035
> > Elwood: What kind of music do you usually have here?
> > Claire: Oh, we got both kinds. We got country *and* western.
> > 
> >> Very nice world!
> > 
> > Trevor Noah; all the news you need:
> > https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwWhs_6x42TyRM4Wstoq8HA
> > 
> > Kind regards,
> 
> Thanks ... except that it is not really funny. But well, every culture has
> its middle ages .... unfortunately no one gets it ATM.
> 
> If we are pragmatic it was a joke that skype was ported to linux, we'll need
> to find another way. I'm thinking of mere SIP phone or just dropping the
> desktop and using windows anyway. There was too much disappointment
> recently from the linux side.

Well, there are a couple of projects to cheer for, then. Just examples:

  http://planet.freertc.org/
  https://webrtc.org/

Next Tuesday (Feb 14) is "I Love Free Software day", a good chance to
tell your favorite developer that yes, you appreciate her/his job and
to send her/him virtual hugs ♥♥♥

Go ahead :)

regards
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#177568

tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:

> Next Tuesday (Feb 14) is "I Love Free Software day", a good chance to
> tell your favorite developer that yes, you appreciate her/his job and
> to send her/him virtual hugs ♥♥♥
> 
> Go ahead :)

haha, thank you tomas

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#177549

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Hi, deloptes.

On 08/02/17 03:36, deloptes wrote:

> If we are pragmatic it was a joke that skype was ported to linux, we'll need
> to find another way. I'm thinking of mere SIP phone or just dropping the
> desktop and using windows anyway. There was too much disappointment
> recently from the linux side.

I am currently testing Jitsi Meet [1] with Debian. Here [2] you can see
a server with Jitsi Meet open to the community for test the system.

Kind regards,
Daniel

[1] https://jitsi.org/Projects/JitsiMeet
[2] https://meet.jit.si

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#177556

On 02/08/2017 06:03 AM, Daniel Bareiro wrote:

> I am currently testing Jitsi Meet [1] with Debian. Here [2] you can see
> a server with Jitsi Meet open to the community for test the system.
>
> Kind regards,
> Daniel
>
> [1] https://jitsi.org/Projects/JitsiMeet
> [2] https://meet.jit.si

I'm giving this a whirl. Easy enough to install. Ric


-- 
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html

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#178419

On 2/8/17, deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote:
>
>> On 08/02/17 13:32, deloptes wrote:
>>> Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote:
>>>> Sound works for me in Skype for Web under the non-free Chrome.
>>> haha indeed - and what about video, have you tested it? does it work in
>>> chrome too?
>>
>> I have not tried a video call.
>>
>>> I can choose between M$ and M$ ... oh well there is Apple as well
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSZfUnCK5qk
>> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080455/quotes?item=qt0320035
>> Elwood: What kind of music do you usually have here?
>> Claire: Oh, we got both kinds. We got country *and* western.
>>
>>> Very nice world!
>>
>> Trevor Noah; all the news you need:
>> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwWhs_6x42TyRM4Wstoq8HA
>>
>> Kind regards,
>
> Thanks ... except that it is not really funny. But well, every culture has
> its middle ages .... unfortunately no one gets it ATM.
>
> If we are pragmatic it was a joke that skype was ported to linux, we'll
> need
> to find another way. I'm thinking of mere SIP phone or just dropping the
> desktop and using windows anyway. There was too much disappointment
> recently from the linux side.


Final thought first: My apt-cache query wandering while pondering this
thread landed me at "libpurple0". Am posting a resulting "apt-cache
show libpurple0" for listserv posterity because of this snippet that
was part of that query result:

"Conflicts: network-manager (<< 0.9.0)"

I wonder... I wonder if there's something similarly different that
could be found by running that kind of search on whatever package
names you all are using when you run into those moments of
non-functioning.

Now my original (not succinct) post....

Another just thinking out loud moment.. Up front, I realize this might
not fulfill the exact feature that's needed, particularly since I'm
not seeing Skype referenced, but am forwarding anyway. Maybe it
provides something that could be adapted, yada-yada....

A few weeks ago I tripped over a package called "Finch" while looking
for something else. I literally LOL'ed k/t their name with respect to
the whole pidgin/tweet scenario. From an "apt-cache show finch" query:

++++++ BEGIN FINCH PACKAGE DESCRIPTION SNIPPET ++++++

Maintainer: Ari Pollak <ari@debian.org>

Depends: pidgin-data, pidgin-data, libc6, libgadu3, libglib2.0-0,
libgstreamer1.0-0, libncursesw5, libpurple0, libtinfo5, libxml2
Suggests: libx11-6

Description-en: text-based multi-protocol instant messaging client
 Finch is a text/console-based, modular instant messaging client capable of
 using multiple networks at once. Currently supported are:
 AIM/ICQ, Yahoo!, MSN, IRC, Jabber/XMPP/Google Talk, Napster, Zephyr, Gadu-Gadu,
 Bonjour, Groupwise, Sametime, SIMPLE, MySpaceIM, and MXit.
 .
 Some extra packages are suggested to use increased functionality:
  * libx11-6
    - To use the Clipboard and/or Toaster plugins.

Homepage: http://www.pidgin.im

++++++ END FINCH PACKAGE DESCRIPTION SNIPPET ++++++

I'm looking at the "depends" there. That "purple" is familiar as being
something I tried once for what I'm sure was a stand alone program
somehow (or maybe not/never?). I'm now only seeing it as "libpurple0".
Was worth the few extra seconds to keep poking around because of its
"conflicts with" reference:

++++++ BEGIN LIBPURPLE0 PACKAGE DESCRIPTION SNIPPET ++++++

Maintainer: Ari Pollak <ari@debian.org>

Depends: pidgin-data, pidgin-data, libavahi-client3, libavahi-common3,
libavahi-glib1, libc6, libdbus-1-3, libdbus-glib-1-2,
libfarstream-0.2-5, libgadu3, libglib2.0-0,
libgstreamer-plugins-base1.0-0, libgstreamer1.0-0, libidn11,
libmeanwhile1, libnspr4, libnss3, libperl5.24, libsasl2-2, libxml2,
libzephyr4, libzephyr4-krb5, perl-base, <perlapi-5.24.1>, perl-base,
libsasl2-modules
Recommends: ca-certificates, libpurple-bin
Suggests: libtcl8.6

Conflicts: network-manager (<< 0.9.0)

Description-en: multi-protocol instant messaging library
 libpurple is a library intended to be used by programmers seeking
 to write an IM client that connects to many IM networks.
 Currently supported are:
 AIM/ICQ, Yahoo!, MSN, IRC, Jabber/XMPP/Google Talk, Napster, Zephyr, Gadu-Gadu,
 Bonjour, Groupwise, Sametime, SIMPLE, MySpaceIM, and MXit.
 .
 Some extra packages are suggested to use increased functionality:
  * libtcl8.6, libtk8.6:
    - Support for writing plugins with Tcl/Tk

Homepage: http://www.pidgin.im

++++++ END LIBPURPLE0 PACKAGE DESCRIPTION SNIPPET ++++++

Original point before I further tripped over libpurple0 was to ask if
anyone has ever tried Finch to see if it somehow fills in where other
packages are not so stable? With Finch appearing to be terminal
command line based, I highlighted it over at the Vinux listserv a few
weeks ago. If truly terminal based, Finch appears to have possible
accessibility potential for being visual impairment/screenreader
friendly, but I'm truly not sure how all of that works.

In a related way, I may be completely off base in thinking so, but I
always presume anything terminal based to be low resource (e.g. ram
memory) friendly, too. The command "updatedb" comes to mind as a
counter example of where that's not a rational thought, though,
because of all the times my setup has become completely bogged down
while "updatedb" is running.

A gentle nudge at the Pidgin developers > I couldn't remember the
package's name but DID remember it was in the Pidgin family (because
of having literally LOL'ed). Finch didn't pull up in an "apt-cache
search pidgin" query. It might help Finch and any other similar Pidgin
family members see more airtime if a reference to Pidgin was in their
description text field'y thing... 'y on your end. :)

Unless you don't want it to be found a whole lot (yet) for whatever
developer known reason(s).......

Cindy :)

-- 
Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA

* sometimes runs in circles... literally. *

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#177536

On 2017-02-07 3:25 PM, Anonymous wrote:
> Skype on Linux is terrible and crashes randomly, even after fixing the
> Pulseaudio issue. No other software I've ever used on Linux causes as
> many problems as Skype. Obviously this problem ultimately comes from
> Microsoft, but nevertheless many of us need Skype for communications
> with colleagues running a non-Linux OS since it is the overwhelming
> market leader in VOIP; this is especially common in a business environment.
>
> Skype needs to run on Linux with the same stability that it does on
> Windows and MacOS, WITHOUT resorting to installing WINE, and preferably
> without relying on WebRTC.
>
> If you could develop a non-Skype Linux client with the ability to easily
> communicate on the Skype platform --- something open source but which
> has compatibility with Skype, coordinated with Microsoft --- that would
> be ideal. But relying on Microsoft to develop good software for Linux
> has proven to be a losing proposition and I'm sure is stifling the
> adoption of Linux by a wider audience.
>
So you're basically asking for a native Skype... that isn't Skype? That 
would be great, except that the application and protocol are completely 
closed-source, so until Microsoft releases the protocol, we're out of 
luck with that. Perhaps contact Microsoft with your concerns about their 
closed-source application, or encourage your colleagues to move to a 
more open system?

- Joshua

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#177582

On 02/07/2017 03:25 PM, Anonymous wrote:
> Skype on Linux is terrible and crashes randomly, even after fixing the
> Pulseaudio issue. No other software I've ever used on Linux causes as
> many problems as Skype. Obviously this problem ultimately comes from
> Microsoft, but nevertheless many of us need Skype for communications
> with colleagues running a non-Linux OS since it is the overwhelming
> market leader in VOIP; this is especially common in a business environment.
>
> Skype needs to run on Linux with the same stability that it does on
> Windows and MacOS, WITHOUT resorting to installing WINE, and preferably
> without relying on WebRTC.
>
> If you could develop a non-Skype Linux client with the ability to easily
> communicate on the Skype platform --- something open source but which
> has compatibility with Skype, coordinated with Microsoft --- that would
> be ideal. But relying on Microsoft to develop good software for Linux
> has proven to be a losing proposition and I'm sure is stifling the
> adoption of Linux by a wider audience.
>
Having frequent connection drop-outs with Skype on different Linux and 
Android platforms, I switched over to Hangouts, a Google product.  It's 
better, buy still not as good as I'd like.  Now I'm trying to migrate 
over to Signal, a Whisper Systems product, but as with all of them, 
people on both ends need to use the same product and there aren't yet a 
lot of people using Signal.  More info about it at 
http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Features/Signal-Private-Messenger 
and https://whispersystems.org/

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#178395

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Hi!

On 07/02/17 17:25, Anonymous wrote:

> Skype on Linux is terrible and crashes randomly, even after fixing the
> Pulseaudio issue. No other software I've ever used on Linux causes as
> many problems as Skype. Obviously this problem ultimately comes from
> Microsoft, but nevertheless many of us need Skype for communications
> with colleagues running a non-Linux OS since it is the overwhelming
> market leader in VOIP; this is especially common in a business environment.
> 
> Skype needs to run on Linux with the same stability that it does on
> Windows and MacOS, WITHOUT resorting to installing WINE, and preferably
> without relying on WebRTC.
> 
> If you could develop a non-Skype Linux client with the ability to easily
> communicate on the Skype platform --- something open source but which
> has compatibility with Skype, coordinated with Microsoft --- that would
> be ideal. But relying on Microsoft to develop good software for Linux
> has proven to be a losing proposition and I'm sure is stifling the
> adoption of Linux by a wider audience.

An update. A few days ago they switched to Beta. Yesterday I tried video
calls. A person with an Android device called me and I was able to pick
up the call and talk to her. So it's an important progress.

Although I saw that the chat area shows the start time of the call, the
duration of the call is not displayed. I think it would be good to keep
track of this there as well.


Kind regards,
Daniel

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Daniel Bareiro wrote:

> An update. A few days ago they switched to Beta. Yesterday I tried video
> calls. A person with an Android device called me and I was able to pick
> up the call and talk to her. So it's an important progress.
> 
> Although I saw that the chat area shows the start time of the call, the
> duration of the call is not displayed. I think it would be good to keep
> track of this there as well.

Old version 4.3.0.37-1 is still working. I tried linux - linux and linux -
windows, windows - linux with voice and video

regards

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