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  User-oriented backup tools Francesco Porro <frapox@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 23:40 +0100
    Re: User-oriented backup tools Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2017-02-15 23:50 +0100
      Re: User-oriented backup tools Francesco Porro <frapox@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 11:50 +0100
        Re: User-oriented backup tools Glenn English <ghe2001@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 18:30 +0100
          Re: User-oriented backup tools Francesco Porro <frapox@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 19:10 +0100
            Re: User-oriented backup tools Glenn English <ghe2001@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 21:30 +0100
              Re: User-oriented backup tools Francesco Porro <frapox@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 00:50 +0100
    Re: User-oriented backup tools Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-02-16 01:10 +0100
      Re: User-oriented backup tools "Martin McCormick" <martin.m@suddenlink.net> - 2017-02-16 03:50 +0100
        Re: User-oriented backup tools Francesco Porro <frapox@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 11:50 +0100
          Re: User-oriented backup tools Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2017-02-16 22:50 +0100
    Re: User-oriented backup tools solitone <solitone@mail.com> - 2017-02-16 06:50 +0100
      Re: User-oriented backup tools Francesco Porro <frapox@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 11:50 +0100
    Re: User-oriented backup tools <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-02-16 09:20 +0100
      Re: User-oriented backup tools Francesco Porro <frapox@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 11:50 +0100
        Re: User-oriented backup tools <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-02-16 12:10 +0100
          Re: User-oriented backup tools Francesco Porro <frapox@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 14:30 +0100
            Re: User-oriented backup tools <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-02-16 15:00 +0100
    Re: User-oriented backup tools Francesco Porro <frapox@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 12:00 +0100
    Re: User-oriented backup tools Daniel Bareiro <daniel-listas@gmx.net> - 2017-02-16 12:20 +0100
      Re: User-oriented backup tools Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> - 2017-02-16 12:30 +0100
        Re: User-oriented backup tools Francesco Porro <frapox@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 14:30 +0100
          Re: User-oriented backup tools Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> - 2017-02-16 15:00 +0100
            Re: User-oriented backup tools Francesco Porro <frapox@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 17:40 +0100
              Re: User-oriented backup tools Glenn Holmer <cenbe@kolabnow.com> - 2017-02-16 17:40 +0100
                Re: User-oriented backup tools Chen Wei <weichen302@icloud.com> - 2017-02-17 09:40 +0100
      Re: User-oriented backup tools Francesco Porro <frapox@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 14:50 +0100
    Re: User-oriented backup tools Boyan Penkov <boyan.penkov@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 13:20 +0100
      Re: User-oriented backup tools Francesco Porro <frapox@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 14:40 +0100
        Re: User-oriented backup tools Boyan Penkov <boyan.penkov@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 14:50 +0100
          Re: User-oriented backup tools Francesco Porro <frapox@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 15:10 +0100
            Re: User-oriented backup tools Francesco Porro <frapox@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 17:30 +0100
              Re: User-oriented backup tools Francesco Porro <frapox@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 19:00 +0100
            Re: User-oriented backup tools Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2017-02-16 17:40 +0100
              Re: User-oriented backup tools Francesco Porro <frapox@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 19:10 +0100

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#177861

Has anybody already mentioned "clonezilla"?

Just usefull in case at also physical defects.

Best

Hans

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#177868

On 16/02/2017 12:23, Hans wrote:> Has anybody already mentioned
"clonezilla"?
> 
> Just usefull in case at also physical defects.

Hi, I've used Clonezilla a couple of months ago for cloning my sister's
Windows partition. But perhaps this tools is more recommended for
cloning disks/partitions than for a daily backup.

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#177874

 
> Hi, I've used Clonezilla a couple of months ago for cloning my sister's
> Windows partition. But perhaps this tools is more recommended for
> cloning disks/partitions than for a daily backup.

Yes, of course. I did not see, that you meant "daily backups". For daily 
backups try "back-in-time", it is nicely configurable and is based on rsync and 
some other tools. And you can configure time based backups and restores.

For a single folder (with subfolders) I suggest "unison" and "unison-gtk", 
which is available for linux, mac and windows. You can use it within a single 
computer or use it from computer to computer. It is based on rsync and ssh.
Very easy to use.

These are my favourites.

And for the mothly, maybe clonezilla, of course.

Happy hacking

Hans

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#177884

On 16/02/2017 14:50, Hans wrote:
> Yes, of course. I did not see, that you meant "daily backups". For daily 
> backups try "back-in-time", it is nicely configurable and is based on rsync and 
> some other tools. And you can configure time based backups and restores.

Yes I forgot to say some details... :)

Ok, now I'm trying back-in-time. After some setting up, it's working and
copying 60+ GB from my Home to the external usb3 drive. And it's quite fast!

FYI I've tryed the option "use the files' checksum" to discover file
changes but that was too much time consuming! If enabled the process
gets too longer for me, so I disabled it back.

There's also a nice option to start the backup once a day if and when
the device is connected (udev). This is what I mean with "user-friendly" :)

> For a single folder (with subfolders) I suggest "unison" and "unison-gtk", 
> which is available for linux, mac and windows. You can use it within a single 
> computer or use it from computer to computer. It is based on rsync and ssh.
> Very easy to use.

I installed also Unison but to me it appeared more useful to syncronize
two folders in in a bidirectional way. Correct me if I'm wrong.

> Happy hacking
> 
> Hans

Yeah! Thanks a lot!

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#177885

On 02/16/2017 10:34 AM, Francesco Porro wrote:
> On 16/02/2017 14:50, Hans wrote:
> Ok, now I'm trying back-in-time. After some setting up, it's working and
> copying 60+ GB from my Home to the external usb3 drive. And it's quite fast!

I've been using backintime for years and am very satisfied with it.

-- 
Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682)
"After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."

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#177904

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 10:37:58AM -0600, Glenn Holmer wrote:
> On 02/16/2017 10:34 AM, Francesco Porro wrote:
> > On 16/02/2017 14:50, Hans wrote:
> > Ok, now I'm trying back-in-time. After some setting up, it's working and
> > copying 60+ GB from my Home to the external usb3 drive. And it's quite fast!
> 
> I've been using backintime for years and am very satisfied with it.

I wrote a script to run backintime style backup from remote machine.

https://github.com/infinet/rsync-time-machine


> 
> -- 
> Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682)
> "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."
> 

-- 
Chen Wei

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#177872

On 16/02/2017 12:18, Daniel Bareiro wrote:
> Hi, Francesco

Hi Daniel


> Another alternative could be to use Dirvish.

As stated in Dirvish' website:
«Dirvish is a fast, disk based, rotating network backup system. With
dirvish you can maintain a set of complete images of your filesystems
with unattended creation and expiration [etc]».

I think it's not the best alternative for me at this moment, also the
project seems to be kinda stuck since 2014.

Thank you anyway!

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fp
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#177865

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http://duplicity.nongnu.org/ <http://duplicity.nongnu.org/>

I use it on remote backups when I don’t trust the destination (therefore, all encryption happens locally), and on local-to-local copies (copy home to, say, another partition).

About the only caveat is it cannon to synthetic fulls on the remote (but the encryption is solid….), and so I am exploring borg, attic, bup as well.

Cheers!
--
Boyan Penkov
www.boyanpenkov.com

> On Feb 15, 2017, at 5:37 PM, Francesco Porro <frapox@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi guys, It's the first time I'm posting here. I'm both a Fedora and
> Debian user.
> 
> Which backup tool do you use?
> At this time I feel comfortable with rsync, which I use to sync my home
> to an external Usb drive. No automation, no scheduling for now. I just
> launch rsync from the command line and let it backup all the stuff when
> I need it.
> 
> Now I'd like to move to more powerful utility. It should be reliable and
> very user-friendly. A friend on Irc suggested me borg [1], which also
> feature decuplication, encryption and seems easy enough to use.
> 
> Otherwise I discovered a scripting hot-to to make some kind of snapshots
> via rsync (and hardlinking) [2], but I haven't tryed it out yet.
> 
> So... What's your opinion about user-oriented backup tools? ^^
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> [1] https://borgbackup.readthedocs.io/en/stable/
> [2] http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/
> 
> -- 
> fp
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> 

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#177871

On 16/02/2017 13:14, Boyan Penkov wrote:
> http://duplicity.nongnu.org/
> 
> I use it on remote backups when I don’t trust the destination
> (therefore, all encryption happens locally), and on local-to-local
> copies (copy home to, say, another partition).
> 
> About the only caveat is it cannon to synthetic fulls on the remote (but
> the encryption is solid….), and so I am exploring borg, attic, bup as well.
> 
> Cheers!

If I'm not wrong, this one is based on "dup" and works the same way?

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fp
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#177873

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On 02/16/2017 08:33 AM, Francesco Porro wrote:
>
> If I'm not wrong, this one is based on "dup" and works the same way?
>

I don't think so; which "dup" are you referring to? -- the most I know
is that DejaDup is a GTK front-end for it.

-- 
Boyan Penkov
www.boyanpenkov.com

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#177879

On 16/02/2017 14:45, Boyan Penkov wrote:
> 
> On 02/16/2017 08:33 AM, Francesco Porro wrote:
>>
>> If I'm not wrong, this one is based on "dup" and works the same way?
> 
> I don't think so; which "dup" are you referring to? -- the most I know
> is that DejaDup is a GTK front-end for it.

Oh sorry, it was a lapsus! Dupicity is the backend for Deja-dup, of
course! :D

I've already tried the latter before, when I was on Ubuntu (it comes
preinstalled in ubuntu). The thing I didn't like too much of deja-dup
was the inability to set a threshold for the backups to keep. I mean: i
wasn't able to say: hey, keep N backup levels and flush the oldest
ones... But I didn't dig too much, so that I don't really know if this
is actually possible (maybe via conf file) or not.

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fp
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#177882

On 16/02/2017 15:03, Boyan Penkov wrote:
> I similarly found this to be a pain, and then decided to wrap a few
> calls to duplicity-clean, and --keep-all-but-N in a shell script that
> gets anacron'd...

Well this is the workaround! :) I'll try it later. Thanks!

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fp
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#177888

On 16/02/2017 17:36, Boyan Penkov wrote:
> 
> 
> On 02/16/2017 11:27 AM, Francesco Porro wrote:
>> On 16/02/2017 15:03, Boyan Penkov wrote:
>>> I similarly found this to be a pain, and then decided to wrap a few
>>> calls to duplicity-clean, and --keep-all-but-N in a shell script that
>>> gets anacron'd...
>> Well this is the workaround! :) I'll try it later. Thanks!
>>
> Certainly; please let me know -- I can also send a sketch of the code
> (as this will be useful for me as well, since nobody's looked at it...)
> 
> Thanks!

If you wish to send me any piece of code you wrote to get the work with
duplicity easier, this would be appreciated. Only, I can't grant you
that i'm trying it out too soon. :)


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#177883

Le 02/16/2017 à 15:01, Francesco Porro a écrit :
> On 16/02/2017 14:45, Boyan Penkov wrote:
>>
>> On 02/16/2017 08:33 AM, Francesco Porro wrote:
>>>
>>> If I'm not wrong, this one is based on "dup" and works the same way?
>>
>> I don't think so; which "dup" are you referring to? -- the most I know
>> is that DejaDup is a GTK front-end for it.
> 
> Oh sorry, it was a lapsus! Dupicity is the backend for Deja-dup, of
> course! :D
> 
> I've already tried the latter before, when I was on Ubuntu (it comes
> preinstalled in ubuntu). The thing I didn't like too much of deja-dup
> was the inability to set a threshold for the backups to keep. I mean: i
> wasn't able to say: hey, keep N backup levels and flush the oldest
> ones... But I didn't dig too much, so that I don't really know if this
> is actually possible (maybe via conf file) or not.
> 

It is possible to do this with duply (but no GUI conf for it)

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#177889

On 16/02/2017 17:33, Erwan David wrote:
>> I've already tried the latter before, when I was on Ubuntu (it comes
>> preinstalled in ubuntu). The thing I didn't like too much of deja-dup
>> was the inability to set a threshold for the backups to keep. I mean: i
>> wasn't able to say: hey, keep N backup levels and flush the oldest
>> ones... But I didn't dig too much, so that I don't really know if this
>> is actually possible (maybe via conf file) or not.
>>
> 
> It is possible to do this with duply (but no GUI conf for it)

That's cool! I'll check this duply later ... :)

Good advice, Erwan.

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