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  Crashes in Icedove on Stretch Paul van der Vlis <paul@vandervlis.nl> - 2017-02-15 15:40 +0100
    Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch GiaThnYgeia <GiaThnYgeia@openmailbox.org> - 2017-02-15 16:00 +0100
      Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch Paul van der Vlis <paul@vandervlis.nl> - 2017-02-15 16:20 +0100
        Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch GiaThnYgeia <GiaThnYgeia@openmailbox.org> - 2017-02-16 10:20 +0100
          Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch Paul van der Vlis <paul@vandervlis.nl> - 2017-02-16 10:50 +0100
    Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch Boyan Penkov <boyan.penkov@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 16:10 +0100
      Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch Paul van der Vlis <paul@vandervlis.nl> - 2017-02-15 21:30 +0100
    Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch Daniel Bareiro <daniel-listas@gmx.net> - 2017-02-15 16:10 +0100
      Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch "D. R. Evans" <doc.evans@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 16:40 +0100
        Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch Paul van der Vlis <paul@vandervlis.nl> - 2017-02-15 21:30 +0100
          Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch "D. R. Evans" <doc.evans@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 01:20 +0100
    Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch Tony Baldwin <tonybaldwin@gmx.com> - 2017-02-15 16:50 +0100
      Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch Tony Baldwin <tonybaldwin@gmx.com> - 2017-02-15 17:00 +0100
        Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch Daniel Bareiro <daniel-listas@gmx.net> - 2017-02-15 17:10 +0100
      Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-02-15 17:20 +0100
        Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch Anthony Baldwin <baldwinlinguas@gmx.com> - 2017-02-15 19:10 +0100
          Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch GiaThnYgeia <GiaThnYgeia@openmailbox.org> - 2017-02-15 19:40 +0100
          Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-02-15 21:40 +0100
            Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch Tony Baldwin <tonybaldwin@gmx.com> - 2017-02-16 04:10 +0100
      Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch Paul van der Vlis <paul@vandervlis.nl> - 2017-02-15 21:20 +0100
        Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch Mark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 23:50 +0100
          Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch Daniel Bareiro <daniel-listas@gmx.net> - 2017-02-16 00:00 +0100
            Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch Jörg-Volker Peetz <jvpeetz@web.de> - 2017-02-16 09:30 +0100
              Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch Daniel Bareiro <daniel-listas@gmx.net> - 2017-02-16 15:20 +0100
                Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch Jörg-Volker Peetz <jvpeetz@web.de> - 2017-02-18 10:40 +0100
                  Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch Jörg-Volker Peetz <jvpeetz@web.de> - 2017-02-25 16:50 +0100
                    Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch Mattia Oss <mais.toast@gmail.com> - 2017-02-25 17:50 +0100
                      Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch GiaThnYgeia <GiaThnYgeia@openmailbox.org> - 2017-02-25 18:40 +0100
                    Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch Jörg-Volker Peetz <jvpeetz@web.de> - 2017-02-26 10:30 +0100
            Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch Daniel Bareiro <daniel-listas@gmx.net> - 2017-02-26 00:20 +0100
          Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch Frank Lanitz <frank@frank.uvena.de> - 2017-02-16 23:30 +0100
    Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch Benjamin Rochefort <ben@benwen.info> - 2017-02-16 14:00 +0100
      Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch Daniel Bareiro <daniel-listas@gmx.net> - 2017-02-16 15:10 +0100
        Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch Daniel Bareiro <daniel-listas@gmx.net> - 2017-02-26 00:20 +0100
      Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch Paul van der Vlis <paul@vandervlis.nl> - 2017-02-16 21:20 +0100
        Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch Benjamin Rochefort <ben@benwen.info> - 2017-02-17 00:40 +0100
          Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch Jape Person <japers@comcast.net> - 2017-02-17 01:40 +0100
            Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch Benjamin Rochefort <ben@benwen.info> - 2017-02-17 03:10 +0100
      Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2017-02-16 21:50 +0100
        Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch Jape Person <japers@comcast.net> - 2017-02-16 22:00 +0100
          Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2017-02-16 22:20 +0100
      Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch Mattia Oss <mais.toast@gmail.com> - 2017-02-17 11:20 +0100

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#177804 — Crashes in Icedove on Stretch

Hello,

Many peope (not all) have problems because Icedove crashes since an
update last year. Icedove on my laptop with Debian stable crashes random
about one time per week.

I have many customers with Debian stable and oldstable. Most of them
have problems with a crashing Icedove. I have also workstations here
where Icedove has never crashed.

What I want to ask, is what the latest situation is when using Stretch
(testing). I know a few people who are using Stretch and they all told
me they have no problems with a crashing Icedove.

What is your experience?

With regards,
Paul van der Vlis

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https://www.vandervlis.nl/

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#177805

Paul van der Vlis:
> Hello,
> 
> Many peope (not all) have problems because Icedove crashes since an
> update last year. Icedove on my laptop with Debian stable crashes random
> about one time per week.
> 
> I have many customers with Debian stable and oldstable. Most of them
> have problems with a crashing Icedove. I have also workstations here
> where Icedove has never crashed.
> 
> What I want to ask, is what the latest situation is when using Stretch
> (testing). I know a few people who are using Stretch and they all told
> me they have no problems with a crashing Icedove.
> 
> What is your experience?

Ι've had it happen to me but very rarely and this is a wild shot that
may relate the problem to a certain activity.  Are all of your icedove
folders on the default home/. directory or do you store some folders in
other local or network drives?  My theory revolves around the mounting
and unmounting volumes of storage or them not responding fast enough and
some threshold intolerance to disk response in icedove makes it crash.
Possibly for security reasons .. I don't know.  I am not confident of
this but as a different user unmounts and remounts the same volume where
icedove stores a mail folder at some point later icedove crashes.  The
occasion when it happens is too infrequent for me to research it as a
problem.  No signs of any data loss or corruption.
I assume there is some log file somewhere in the maze where it records
the crashing condition.
I hope this may help and not confuse the issue.

> With regards,
> Paul van der Vlis

Kat

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#177808

On 15-02-17 15:56, GiaThnYgeia wrote:
> Ι've had it happen to me but very rarely and this is a wild shot that
> may relate the problem to a certain activity.  Are all of your icedove
> folders on the default home/. directory or do you store some folders in
> other local or network drives?  

No, everything is in a very normal homedirectory without shares over the
network.

See:
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=828069
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=827267

With regards,
Paul van der Vlis




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#177851

Paul van der Vlis:
> On 15-02-17 15:56, GiaThnYgeia wrote:
> See:
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=828069
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=827267
> 
> With regards,
> Paul van der Vlis

Have you tried installing the debug part of icedove?

"This package contains the debug symbols for Icedove. Install this
package if you need to debug such a program or if you need a useful
backtrace of a crash."

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#177852

On 16-02-17 10:10, GiaThnYgeia wrote:
> 
> 
> Paul van der Vlis:
>> On 15-02-17 15:56, GiaThnYgeia wrote:
>> See:
>> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=828069
>> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=827267
>>
>> With regards,
>> Paul van der Vlis
> 
> Have you tried installing the debug part of icedove?
> 
> "This package contains the debug symbols for Icedove. Install this
> package if you need to debug such a program or if you need a useful
> backtrace of a crash."

No, I did not. And you are completely right, it would be good to do
that. There are a few backtraces in the bugs, but maybe not enough.

With regards,
Paul


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#177806

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On 02/15/2017 10:03 AM, Paul van der Vlis wrote:

> I do not have problems with Iceowl, but I don't use Google. What I use
> is my own caldav server (sogo).
>
> Do you use Iceowl or Lightning?
> https://packages.debian.org/stretch/iceowl-extension
>
> If you turn off the plugins, do you still have crashes?

Unfortunately, I do, yes...

Cheers!
>
> With regards,
> Paul van der Vlis
>
>

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www.boyanpenkov.com

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On 15-02-17 16:05, Boyan Penkov wrote:
> 
> On 02/15/2017 10:03 AM, Paul van der Vlis wrote:
> 
>> I do not have problems with Iceowl, but I don't use Google. What I use
>> is my own caldav server (sogo).
>>
>> Do you use Iceowl or Lightning?
>> https://packages.debian.org/stretch/iceowl-extension
>>
>> If you turn off the plugins, do you still have crashes?
> 
> Unfortunately, I do, yes...

Do you use Stretch (=Debian testing) ?

With regards,
Paul





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On 15/02/17 11:36, Paul van der Vlis wrote:

> Hello,

Hi, Paul.

> Many peope (not all) have problems because Icedove crashes since an
> update last year. Icedove on my laptop with Debian stable crashes random
> about one time per week.
> 
> I have many customers with Debian stable and oldstable. Most of them
> have problems with a crashing Icedove. I have also workstations here
> where Icedove has never crashed.
> 
> What I want to ask, is what the latest situation is when using Stretch
> (testing). I know a few people who are using Stretch and they all told
> me they have no problems with a crashing Icedove.
> 
> What is your experience?

That does not sound good. I have been experiencing this for a while in
Jessie and I was hoping it would be fixed on Stretch :(

Kind regards,
Daniel

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Daniel Bareiro wrote on 02/15/2017 08:07 AM:

> 
> That does not sound good. I have been experiencing this for a while in
> Jessie and I was hoping it would be fixed on Stretch :(
> 

Getting a bit off-topic, but I have been assuming that icedove must still be
broken in stretch, because surely a fix will be backported to jessie once
there is one -- after all, it was a post-release jessie "update" that broke
icedove, so at some point a similar update should fix it.

That said, I had an icedove crash a few days ago, but it was the first time
for perhaps a month, whereas at one point it was happening several times per day.

  Doc

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On 15-02-17 16:32, D. R. Evans wrote:

> That said, I had an icedove crash a few days ago, but it was the first time
> for perhaps a month, whereas at one point it was happening several times per day.

Do you use Stretch?

With regards,
Paul



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https://www.vandervlis.nl/

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#177840

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Paul van der Vlis wrote on 02/15/2017 01:24 PM:
> On 15-02-17 16:32, D. R. Evans wrote:
> 
>> That said, I had an icedove crash a few days ago, but it was the first time
>> for perhaps a month, whereas at one point it was happening several times per day.
> 
> Do you use Stretch?

No: jessie.

  Doc

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#177810

On 02/15/2017 09:36 AM, Paul van der Vlis wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Many peope (not all) have problems because Icedove crashes since an
> update last year. Icedove on my laptop with Debian stable crashes random
> about one time per week.
>
> I have many customers with Debian stable and oldstable. Most of them
> have problems with a crashing Icedove. I have also workstations here
> where Icedove has never crashed.
>
> What I want to ask, is what the latest situation is when using Stretch
> (testing). I know a few people who are using Stretch and they all told
> me they have no problems with a crashing Icedove.
>
> What is your experience?
>
> With regards,
> Paul van der Vlis
>

I get random ID crashes, pretty well daily, but no consistently 
identifiable cause. It really seems to be occurring very randomly, I'll 
just be reading messages when suddenly *pop* it dies like a soap bubble 
on a Christmas tree, no error msg, no prior indication of instability, 
etc.; Just sudden, random crashing. It generally comes right back up 
without issue and functions normally afterwards. Thankfully, it rarely 
does it while I'm composing a message, that would REALLY annoy me, and I 
would likely have already appeared here seeking a solution to the 
problem, but since, so far, it hasn't caused me any real loss, but 
rather just minor annoyance, I haven't mentioned it, until now.

I am using Jessie, Icedove v. 45.6.0 at the moment, on AMD64; My system 
is otherwise generally stable (with the exception of occasional 
unexplained hiccoughs in the sound system, for which I have sought help 
on the list, and which I can resolve with a reboot...again, annoying, 
but not a high priority issue).

Tony
-- 
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all tony, all the time

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#177811

On 02/15/2017 10:49 AM, Tony Baldwin wrote:
>
>
> On 02/15/2017 09:36 AM, Paul van der Vlis wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Many peope (not all) have problems because Icedove crashes since an
>> update last year. Icedove on my laptop with Debian stable crashes random
>> about one time per week.
>>
>> I have many customers with Debian stable and oldstable. Most of them
>> have problems with a crashing Icedove. I have also workstations here
>> where Icedove has never crashed.
>>
>> What I want to ask, is what the latest situation is when using Stretch
>> (testing). I know a few people who are using Stretch and they all told
>> me they have no problems with a crashing Icedove.
>>
>> What is your experience?
>>
>> With regards,
>> Paul van der Vlis
>>
>
> I get random ID crashes, pretty well daily, but no consistently
> identifiable cause. It really seems to be occurring very randomly, I'll
> just be reading messages when suddenly *pop* it dies like a soap bubble
> on a Christmas tree, no error msg, no prior indication of instability,
> etc.; Just sudden, random crashing. It generally comes right back up
> without issue and functions normally afterwards. Thankfully, it rarely
> does it while I'm composing a message, that would REALLY annoy me, and I
> would likely have already appeared here seeking a solution to the
> problem, but since, so far, it hasn't caused me any real loss, but
> rather just minor annoyance, I haven't mentioned it, until now.
>
> I am using Jessie, Icedove v. 45.6.0 at the moment, on AMD64; My system
> is otherwise generally stable (with the exception of occasional
> unexplained hiccoughs in the sound system, for which I have sought help
> on the list, and which I can resolve with a reboot...again, annoying,
> but not a high priority issue).
>
> Tony

Not sure if relevant, but I use ID with imap with a gmx.com account 
(Perhaps this last was obvious?)

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Hi, Tony.

On 15/02/17 12:50, Tony Baldwin wrote:

> Not sure if relevant, but I use ID with imap with a gmx.com account
> (Perhaps this last was obvious?)

I have three accounts configured in Icedove. Two accounts on my local
IMAP server, and other IMAP account on GMX. But I do not think it have
to do with the GMX account because I have experienced this issue also
when browsing my local emails or it has also died suddenly without any
kind of interaction (I think).

Kind regards,
Daniel

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#177815

On Wed 15 Feb 2017 at 10:49:06 (-0500), Tony Baldwin wrote:

> I get random ID crashes, pretty well daily, but no consistently
> identifiable cause. It really seems to be occurring very randomly,
> I'll just be reading messages when suddenly *pop* it dies like a
> soap bubble on a Christmas tree, no error msg, no prior indication
> of instability, etc.; Just sudden, random crashing. It generally
> comes right back up without issue and functions normally afterwards.
> Thankfully, it rarely does it while I'm composing a message, that
> would REALLY annoy me, and I would likely have already appeared here
> seeking a solution to the problem, but since, so far, it hasn't
> caused me any real loss, but rather just minor annoyance, I haven't
> mentioned it, until now.

If you compose in an editor like emacs, it auto-saves periodically.
With your email tmpdir set to /var/tmp, these will even survive reboots.

Cheers,
David.

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#177822

On 02/15/2017 11:05 AM, David Wright wrote:
> On Wed 15 Feb 2017 at 10:49:06 (-0500), Tony Baldwin wrote:
>
>> I get random ID crashes, pretty well daily, but no consistently
>> identifiable cause. It really seems to be occurring very randomly,
>> I'll just be reading messages when suddenly *pop* it dies like a
>> soap bubble on a Christmas tree, no error msg, no prior indication
>> of instability, etc.; Just sudden, random crashing. It generally
>> comes right back up without issue and functions normally afterwards.
>> Thankfully, it rarely does it while I'm composing a message, that
>> would REALLY annoy me, and I would likely have already appeared here
>> seeking a solution to the problem, but since, so far, it hasn't
>> caused me any real loss, but rather just minor annoyance, I haven't
>> mentioned it, until now.
>
> If you compose in an editor like emacs, it auto-saves periodically.
> With your email tmpdir set to /var/tmp, these will even survive reboots.
>

But why would I install an entire VM+OS like E.M.A.C.S. when Icedove has 
its own message composer/editor ?
if I wanted to use a different editor I'd be using MUTT with VIM. ;-)

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multilingual web development
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#177823

Anthony Baldwin:
> 
> 
> On 02/15/2017 11:05 AM, David Wright wrote:
>> On Wed 15 Feb 2017 at 10:49:06 (-0500), Tony Baldwin wrote:
>>>>> Thankfully, it rarely does it while I'm composing a message, that
>>> would REALLY annoy me, 
>>
>> If you compose in an editor like emacs, it auto-saves periodically.
>> With your email tmpdir set to /var/tmp, these will even survive reboots.
> 
> But why would I install an entire VM+OS like E.M.A.C.S. when Icedove has
> its own message composer/editor ?
> if I wanted to use a different editor I'd be using MUTT with VIM. ;-)

In 45.6.0 (at least) in preferences ==> composition ==> save every X
minutes ... you can make it really small for all the text you can type
in subminute time :)

Thinking of this it may be at times where autosave takes place that it
crashes so the question becomes does it crash when at rest or when you
are editing a message?  Does it crash while reaching a pop or an imap
server, does it crash while trying to reach a specific server, does it
crash while trying to reach mozilla for an update ..

I never liked vi although in general life I really like OLD things, like
a bike from the 70s or a blender from the 50s



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#177830

On Wed 15 Feb 2017 at 12:50:33 (-0500), Anthony Baldwin wrote:
> 
> 
> On 02/15/2017 11:05 AM, David Wright wrote:
> >On Wed 15 Feb 2017 at 10:49:06 (-0500), Tony Baldwin wrote:
> >
> >>I get random ID crashes, pretty well daily, but no consistently
> >>identifiable cause. It really seems to be occurring very randomly,
> >>I'll just be reading messages when suddenly *pop* it dies like a
> >>soap bubble on a Christmas tree, no error msg, no prior indication
> >>of instability, etc.; Just sudden, random crashing. It generally
> >>comes right back up without issue and functions normally afterwards.
> >>Thankfully, it rarely does it while I'm composing a message, that
> >>would REALLY annoy me, and I would likely have already appeared here
> >>seeking a solution to the problem, but since, so far, it hasn't
> >>caused me any real loss, but rather just minor annoyance, I haven't
> >>mentioned it, until now.
> >
> >If you compose in an editor like emacs, it auto-saves periodically.
> >With your email tmpdir set to /var/tmp, these will even survive reboots.
> >
> 
> But why would I install an entire VM+OS like E.M.A.C.S. when Icedove
> has its own message composer/editor ?
> if I wanted to use a different editor I'd be using MUTT with VIM. ;-)

Indeed. But you wrote "Thankfully, it rarely does it while I'm
composing a message". So someone else (we're on a list) might
appreciate the advice. I was under the impression that changing the
composition editor in ID was not immediately obvious. Perhaps I'm
out of date here.

Cheers,
David.

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#177843

On 02/15/2017 03:38 PM, David Wright wrote:
> On Wed 15 Feb 2017 at 12:50:33 (-0500), Anthony Baldwin wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 02/15/2017 11:05 AM, David Wright wrote:
>>> On Wed 15 Feb 2017 at 10:49:06 (-0500), Tony Baldwin wrote:
>>>
>>>> I get random ID crashes, pretty well daily, but no consistently
>>>> identifiable cause. It really seems to be occurring very randomly,
>>>> I'll just be reading messages when suddenly *pop* it dies like a
>>>> soap bubble on a Christmas tree, no error msg, no prior indication
>>>> of instability, etc.; Just sudden, random crashing. It generally
>>>> comes right back up without issue and functions normally afterwards.
>>>> Thankfully, it rarely does it while I'm composing a message, that
>>>> would REALLY annoy me, and I would likely have already appeared here
>>>> seeking a solution to the problem, but since, so far, it hasn't
>>>> caused me any real loss, but rather just minor annoyance, I haven't
>>>> mentioned it, until now.
>>>
>>> If you compose in an editor like emacs, it auto-saves periodically.
>>> With your email tmpdir set to /var/tmp, these will even survive reboots.
>>>
>>
>> But why would I install an entire VM+OS like E.M.A.C.S. when Icedove
>> has its own message composer/editor ?
>> if I wanted to use a different editor I'd be using MUTT with VIM. ;-)
>
> Indeed. But you wrote "Thankfully, it rarely does it while I'm
> composing a message". So someone else (we're on a list) might
> appreciate the advice. I was under the impression that changing the
> composition editor in ID was not immediately obvious. Perhaps I'm
> out of date here.

No. you're right. It is not obvious, in fact, I didn't know it could be 
done at all, tbh.
Sorry my attempt at humour was even less obvious, apparently.

Tony

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#177826

On 15-02-17 16:49, Tony Baldwin wrote:

> I am using Jessie, Icedove v. 45.6.0 at the moment, on AMD64;

It's a known bug in Jessie. My question is about Stretch.

With regards,
Paul




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