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  No live CD ISOs without GUI desktops? Will Mengarini <seldon@eskimo.com> - 2017-06-23 12:40 +0200
    Re: No live CD ISOs without GUI desktops? Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2017-06-23 15:10 +0200
    Re: No live CD ISOs without GUI desktops? Rene Engelhard <rene@debian.org> - 2017-06-23 17:10 +0200
      Re: No live CD ISOs without GUI desktops? Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2017-06-23 17:20 +0200
        Re: No live CD ISOs without GUI desktops? Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2017-06-26 16:40 +0200
          Re: No live CD ISOs without GUI desktops? Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com> - 2017-06-26 22:30 +0200
    Re: No live CD ISOs without GUI desktops? Joel Roth <joelz@pobox.com> - 2017-06-24 09:30 +0200
      Re: No live CD ISOs without GUI desktops? Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> - 2017-06-24 09:40 +0200
      Re: No live CD ISOs without GUI desktops? Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> - 2017-06-24 09:40 +0200

#182533 — No live CD ISOs without GUI desktops?

https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/
lists many ISOs, but all have graphic desktops, so none would fit on
a 650 MB CD-ROM, of which I have lots; I don't have larger media.
The situation for the amd64 architecture is identical.

https://www.debian.org/distrib/ points to netinst ISOs that do fit,
but they're numbered as 9.0.0, not 9.0.1.

A livecd is what a sysadmin needs for troubleshooting borked disks,
and GUIs are for noobs and rubes, so I'd've expected that when the
patchlevel for Stretch was incremented, there'd be nongraphic livecds
released as well.

Is the omission of nongraphic livecds from 9.0.1 an oversight,
or was it done this way because the bugs fixed by 9.0.1 involved
only graphics?  That hypothesis sounds strange because I thought
one of the problems was a missing liblzo2, a decompression library
which is not obviously specific to graphics-only software.

The persistent link to 9.0.0 netinst on https://www.debian.org/distrib/
needs to remain as such until 9.0.1 nongraphic equivalents are released,
because right now **/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-9.0.1-i386-netinst.iso
doesn't exist.

However, leaving it as such confuses the concept of "the" current
version of Debian stable; is it 9.0.0 or 9.0.1?  Considering that
building a livecd without a graphic desktop is easier than building
one with a desktop, perhaps the nongraphic versions should also
be created, and all the links in official documentation updated,
just to make it clear that 9.0.1 is "the" current stable Debian.

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#182535

seldon@eskimo.com wrote:
>https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/
>lists many ISOs, but all have graphic desktops, so none would fit on
>a 650 MB CD-ROM, of which I have lots; I don't have larger media.
>The situation for the amd64 architecture is identical.
>
>https://www.debian.org/distrib/ points to netinst ISOs that do fit,
>but they're numbered as 9.0.0, not 9.0.1.

That's correct. I rebuilt the live images to fix a number of issues
that were found, as detailed in the docs there. There were no such
issues with the installer images (netinst, DVD sets etc.) so we're
still on 9.0.0 for those. The X.Y.Z digits in the version numbers for
our images mean:

 X == the major version (8 ==jessie, 9 == stretch)

 Y == the point release (9.0 will become 9.1 when we roll out updates
      to Debian as a whole, typically every few months)

 Z == the version of the CD/live/cloud image (updated to show rebuilds
      due to bugs, or specific security rebuilds)

>A livecd is what a sysadmin needs for troubleshooting borked disks,
>and GUIs are for noobs and rubes, so I'd've expected that when the
>patchlevel for Stretch was incremented, there'd be nongraphic livecds
>released as well.

We used to have non-graphical live images, but they were
problematic. Nobody has stepped up to work on them and so they've been
dropped in Stretch. That hasn't changed in the last week. We're
looking for somebody to work in this area.

>Is the omission of nongraphic livecds from 9.0.1 an oversight,
>or was it done this way because the bugs fixed by 9.0.1 involved
>only graphics?  That hypothesis sounds strange because I thought
>one of the problems was a missing liblzo2, a decompression library
>which is not obviously specific to graphics-only software.

The "missing liblzo2" was just a symptom of the underlying problem,
which was a bug in the metadata in the live images. That underlying
problem has been fixed in the live-wrapper tool now.

>The persistent link to 9.0.0 netinst on https://www.debian.org/distrib/
>needs to remain as such until 9.0.1 nongraphic equivalents are released,
>because right now **/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-9.0.1-i386-netinst.iso
>doesn't exist.
>
>However, leaving it as such confuses the concept of "the" current
>version of Debian stable; is it 9.0.0 or 9.0.1?  Considering that
>building a livecd without a graphic desktop is easier than building
>one with a desktop, perhaps the nongraphic versions should also
>be created, and all the links in official documentation updated,
>just to make it clear that 9.0.1 is "the" current stable Debian.

See the versions description above...

-- 
Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.                                steve@einval.com
"Because heaters aren't purple!" -- Catherine Pitt

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#182546

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 03:27:10AM -0700, Will Mengarini wrote:
> https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/
> lists many ISOs, but all have graphic desktops, so none would fit on
> a 650 MB CD-ROM, of which I have lots; I don't have larger media.
> The situation for the amd64 architecture is identical.

http://grml.org/download/

Regards,

Rene

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#182547

On 2017-06-24 00:56, Rene Engelhard wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 03:27:10AM -0700, Will Mengarini wrote:
>> https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/
>> lists many ISOs, but all have graphic desktops, so none would fit on
>> a 650 MB CD-ROM, of which I have lots; I don't have larger media.
>> The situation for the amd64 architecture is identical.
> 
> http://grml.org/download/

http://puppylinux.com/download.html

http://www.tinycorelinux.net/

Regards,

Weaver

-- 
"It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its 
government."
 -- Thomas Paine

Registered Linux User: 554515

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#182683

If your point is that context-free links are not very useful, I agree.

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 03:16:07PM +0000, Weaver wrote:
>On 2017-06-24 00:56, Rene Engelhard wrote:
>> http://grml.org/download/

GRML is a derivative distribution based closely on Debian.

>http://puppylinux.com/download.html
>http://www.tinycorelinux.net/

Not to suggest any criticism of these projects, which have fine goals (and I've 
used tinycorelinux myself for some projects, and it has some very interesting 
ideas) but none of those are Debian derivatives, nor do they appear to be 
non-GUI live CDs, except maybe some of the tinyCore ones that offer a boot-time
choice to avoid GUIs, and have them on the image.


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> From: jmtd@debian.org
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> If your point is that context-free links are not very useful, I agree.
> On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 03:16:07PM +0000, Weaver wrote:
>>On 2017-06-24 00:56, Rene Engelhard wrote:
>>> http://grml.org/download/
> GRML is a derivative distribution based closely on Debian.
>>http://puppylinux.com/download.html
>>http://www.tinycorelinux.net/
> Not to suggest any criticism of these projects, which have fine goals (and I"ve
> used tinycorelinux myself for some projects, and it has some very interesting
> ideas) but none of those are Debian derivatives, nor do they appear to be
> non-GUI live CDs, except maybe some of the tinyCore ones that offer a boot-time
> choice to avoid GUIs, and have them on the image.

Since there is a gui-less installer for Jessie, one can use that live and after install
upgrade to stretch. Maybe a +20' dist-upgrade inconvenience, if hardware is
compatible.

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#182580

Will Mengarini wrote:
> https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/
> lists many ISOs, but all have graphic desktops, so none would fit on
> a 650 MB CD-ROM, of which I have lots; I don't have larger media.
> The situation for the amd64 architecture is identical.

> A livecd is what a sysadmin needs for troubleshooting borked disks,
>
I'm not sure the debian live disks are intended as 
a general purpose rescue system. 

Also a rescue disk won't usually require
 bleeding edge kernels or package versions:

For now, you can try this talking rescue CD, based on debian testing,
that includes only command line stuff, AFAIK.

http://iavit.org/~bats/

(You may easily find and remove the speech module
from the kernel.)

I don't see the package list, but the author writes that he is
open to additional suggestions.

hth


-- 
Joel Roth
  

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#182582

My favourite rescue systems are "R.I.P" (Rescue ie possible) and "TRK" 
(Trinity Rescue Kit).

Maybe you might want to take a look at these?

 Best

Hans

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#182583

A good way, is to build an own livefile. It is not so hard, try live-build. 
Then you can easily customize it with your own needs. 

I am doíng this with kali-linux, which I want to have in German and added 
several own software.

Happy hacking


Hans

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