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| Started by | Mike McClain <mike.junk.46@att.net> |
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| First post | 2017-06-22 01:40 +0200 |
| Last post | 2017-06-22 08:40 +0200 |
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apt-get upgrade problem Mike McClain <mike.junk.46@att.net> - 2017-06-22 01:40 +0200
Re: apt-get upgrade problem Carl Fink <carlf@panix.com> - 2017-06-22 01:50 +0200
Re: apt-get upgrade problem Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2017-06-22 09:40 +0200
Re: apt-get upgrade problem Mike McClain <mike.junk.46@att.net> - 2017-06-22 21:20 +0200
Re: apt-get upgrade problem Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2017-06-22 21:50 +0200
Re: apt-get upgrade problem David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-06-25 02:40 +0200
Re: apt-get upgrade problem Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2017-06-25 11:10 +0200
Re: apt-get upgrade problem Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2017-06-26 15:00 +0200
Re: apt-get upgrade problem Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2017-06-26 17:20 +0200
Re: apt-get upgrade problem Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2017-06-22 03:30 +0200
Re: apt-get upgrade problem davidson@freevolt.org - 2017-06-22 05:20 +0200
Re: apt-get upgrade problem deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2017-06-22 08:40 +0200
| From | Mike McClain <mike.junk.46@att.net> |
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| Date | 2017-06-22 01:40 +0200 |
| Subject | apt-get upgrade problem |
| Message-ID | <tUXo5-4Jf-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
When I do 'apt-get upgrade', I get the following: The following packages have been kept back: firefox-esr and firefox/iceweasel is what I was hoping to upgrade. Can someone point me at where to look to see why I can't upgrade iceweasel? Thanks, Mike -- As Andy Capp's wife said, "You're only young once, but you can be childish all your life."
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| From | Carl Fink <carlf@panix.com> |
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| Date | 2017-06-22 01:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <tUXxM-4Ng-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #182493 |
On 06/21/2017 04:56 PM, Mike McClain wrote: > When I do 'apt-get upgrade', I get the following: > The following packages have been kept back: > firefox-esr > and firefox/iceweasel is what I was hoping to upgrade. > Can someone point me at where to look to see why I can't upgrade iceweasel? > Have you tried typing "apt-get install firefox-esr"? It should tell you why it's held back. The other thing would be "apt-get dist-upgrade". -- Carl Fink carl@finknetwork.com Thinking and logic and stuff at Reasonably Literate http://reasonablyliterate.com
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| From | Curt <curty@free.fr> |
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| Date | 2017-06-22 09:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <tV4SC-1wt-25@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #182494 |
On 2017-06-21, Carl Fink <carlf@panix.com> wrote: > On 06/21/2017 04:56 PM, Mike McClain wrote: >> When I do 'apt-get upgrade', I get the following: >> The following packages have been kept back: >> firefox-esr >> and firefox/iceweasel is what I was hoping to upgrade. >> Can someone point me at where to look to see why I can't upgrade iceweasel? >> > Have you tried typing "apt-get install firefox-esr"? It should tell you > why it's held back. That command will most likely reveal an extra package must be installed, and if says yes to that, he'll be off to the races. > The other thing would be "apt-get dist-upgrade". > -- "It might be a vision--of a shell, of a wheelbarrow, of a fairy kingdom on the far side of the hedge; or it might be the glory of speed; no one knew." --Mrs. Ramsay, speculating on why her little daughter might be dashing about, in "To the Lighthouse," by Virginia Woolf.
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| From | Mike McClain <mike.junk.46@att.net> |
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| Date | 2017-06-22 21:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <tVfO3-rD-53@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #182494 |
On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 07:40:59PM -0400, Carl Fink wrote:
> On 06/21/2017 04:56 PM, Mike McClain wrote:
> >Can someone point me at where to look to see why I can't upgrade iceweasel?
> >
> Have you tried typing "apt-get install firefox-esr"? It should tell
> you why it's held back.
Duh, I'm an idiot.
Carl you hit the nail on the head. I'm so used to using
'update/upgrade' that I didn't think to try install.
Rather than telling me why FF was held back it just went ahead and
installed it.
Thanks a lot,
Mike
--
Lord, the money we do spend on government. And it's not a bit better
government than we got for one-third the money twenty years ago.
- Will Rogers
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| From | Curt <curty@free.fr> |
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| Date | 2017-06-22 21:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <tVgh4-Ba-19@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #182521 |
On 2017-06-22, Mike McClain <mike.junk.46@att.net> wrote: > > Rather than telling me why FF was held back it just went ahead and > installed it. > Is that the complete description of what you observed? You're not leaving anything out, are you? -- "It might be a vision--of a shell, of a wheelbarrow, of a fairy kingdom on the far side of the hedge; or it might be the glory of speed; no one knew." --Mrs. Ramsay, speculating on why her little daughter might be dashing about, in "To the Lighthouse," by Virginia Woolf.
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| From | David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2017-06-25 02:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <tW3KN-6kJ-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #182523 |
On Thu 22 Jun 2017 at 19:44:27 (+0000), Curt wrote: > On 2017-06-22, Mike McClain <mike.junk.46@att.net> wrote: > > > > Rather than telling me why FF was held back it just went ahead and > > installed it. > > > > Is that the complete description of what you observed? You're not > leaving anything out, are you? > > -- > "It might be a vision--of a shell, of a wheelbarrow, of a fairy kingdom on the > far side of the hedge; or it might be the glory of speed; no one knew." It doesn't seem likely that any of those would appear. I think perhaps you're soliciting remarks re "It should tell you why it's held back." Is that going to happen when you install rather than upgrade? I thought it would take "install" as an instruction to include all the dependencies automatically (and mark them so). Cheers, David.
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| From | Curt <curty@free.fr> |
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| Date | 2017-06-25 11:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <tWbIm-39U-13@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #182616 |
On 2017-06-25, David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> wrote: > On Thu 22 Jun 2017 at 19:44:27 (+0000), Curt wrote: >> On 2017-06-22, Mike McClain <mike.junk.46@att.net> wrote: >> > >> > Rather than telling me why FF was held back it just went ahead and >> > installed it. >> > >> >> Is that the complete description of what you observed? You're not >> leaving anything out, are you? >> >> -- >> "It might be a vision--of a shell, of a wheelbarrow, of a fairy kingdom on the >> far side of the hedge; or it might be the glory of speed; no one knew." > > It doesn't seem likely that any of those would appear. What? > I think perhaps you're soliciting remarks re "It should tell you why > it's held back." Is that going to happen when you install rather than > upgrade? I thought it would take "install" as an instruction to include > all the dependencies automatically (and mark them so). No, it is not automatic. For instance in my case, on Wheezy, apt held firefox-esr back because it will not install an extra package unless explicitly given permission to do so. This was revealed when I executed the 'apt-get install firefox-esr' command, at which point apt asked me to reply yes or no to the installation of a new package (the name of which escapes me) and the updating of the package firefox-esr. Because of the pedagogical interest of the thing, for those who come after us, for posterity's sake, I wanted the OP to give us a complete description of what occurred, rather than a misleading one (for we are left wondering why FF was held back in the first place, if an 'apt-get install' simply "went ahead and installed it." > Cheers, > David. > > -- "It might be a vision--of a shell, of a wheelbarrow, of a fairy kingdom on the far side of the hedge; or it might be the glory of speed; no one knew." --Mrs. Ramsay, speculating on why her little daughter might be dashing about, in "To the Lighthouse," by Virginia Woolf.
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| From | Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> |
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| Date | 2017-06-26 15:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <tWBMw-2tb-65@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #182629 |
On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 09:01:30AM +0000, Curt wrote: > Because of the pedagogical interest of the thing, for those who come > after us, for posterity's sake, I wanted the OP to give us a complete > description of what occurred, rather than a misleading one (for we are > left wondering why FF was held back in the first place, if an 'apt-get > install' simply "went ahead and installed it." In stretch, the upgrade from firefox-esr 45.x to 52.x requires a new Depends: package, named libjsoncpp1. If you are on stretch with firefox-esr 45.x and you do "apt-get upgrade" (or the aptitude or apt or synaptics equivalent), you'll be told that firefox-esr is held back, but you may not understand *why*, unless you have some experience with Debian. If you do "apt-get dist-upgrade" or "apt-get install firefox-esr", the libjsoncpp1 package will be installed (after you confirm that it's OK), and the firefox-esr package will be upgraded. >From /var/log/apt/history.log: Start-Date: 2017-06-16 14:15:04 Commandline: apt-get install firefox-esr Requested-By: wooledg (1000) Install: libjsoncpp1:amd64 (1.7.4-3, automatic) Upgrade: firefox-esr:amd64 (45.9.0esr-1, 52.2.0esr-1~deb9u1) End-Date: 2017-06-16 14:15:07 This sort of thing happens once in a while on stable, with some of the security upgrades. Web browsers are likely to see it, as well as packages derived from the bind9 source package (dnsutils and so on). This is because web browsers and bind9 are so completely full of security holes that patching isn't even possible. They have to roll out new upstream versions instead.
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| From | Curt <curty@free.fr> |
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| Date | 2017-06-26 17:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <tWDXY-40M-19@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #182675 |
On 2017-06-26, Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> wrote: > On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 09:01:30AM +0000, Curt wrote: >> Because of the pedagogical interest of the thing, for those who come >> after us, for posterity's sake, I wanted the OP to give us a complete >> description of what occurred, rather than a misleading one (for we are >> left wondering why FF was held back in the first place, if an 'apt-get >> install' simply "went ahead and installed it." > > In stretch, the upgrade from firefox-esr 45.x to 52.x requires a > new Depends: package, named libjsoncpp1. Right. Same here on Wheezy. The name of the package escaped me. Actually it was rhetorical wondering I was doing up there. Sorry if that was unclear. <snip exhaustive description for posterity absent from the OP's account, thank-you Mr. Wooledge> -- “Yeah yeah.” --Sidney Morgenbesser's retort to a speaker who said that although there are many cases in which two negatives make a positive, he knew of no case in which two positives made a negative.
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| From | Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-06-22 03:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <tUZ6x-5ZI-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #182493 |
On Wed, 21 Jun 2017 13:56:45 -0700 Mike McClain <mike.junk.46@att.net> wrote: > When I do 'apt-get upgrade', I get the following: > The following packages have been kept back: > firefox-esr > and firefox/iceweasel is what I was hoping to upgrade. > Can someone point me at where to look to see why I can't upgrade > iceweasel? Thanks, A few days ago, I got the same. apt-get dist-upgrade will install that new version of firefox-esr replacing the old one. B
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| From | davidson@freevolt.org |
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| Date | 2017-06-22 05:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <tV0OZ-7gs-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #182493 |
On Wed, 21 Jun 2017, Mike McClain wrote:
> When I do 'apt-get upgrade', I get the following:
> The following packages have been kept back:
> firefox-esr
> and firefox/iceweasel is what I was hoping to upgrade.
> Can someone point me at where to look to see why I can't upgrade
> iceweasel?
% man apt-get
[...]
upgrade
[...] Packages currently installed with new versions available are
retrieved and upgraded; UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES ARE CURRENTLY
INSTALLED PACKAGES REMOVED, OR PACKAGES NOT ALREADY INSTALLED
RETRIEVED AND INSTALLED. New versions of currently installed
packages that cannot be upgraded without changing the install
status of another package will be left at their current
version. [...]
dist-upgrade
dist-upgrade in addition to performing the function of upgrade,
also intelligently handles changing dependencies with new versions
of packages; apt-get has a "smart" conflict resolution system, and
it will attempt to upgrade the most important packages at the
expense of less important ones if necessary. The dist-upgrade
command may therefore remove some packages. [...]
[...]
install
[...] All packages required by the package(s) specified for
installation will also be retrieved and installed.[...]
[...]
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| From | deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-06-22 08:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <tV3Wy-TR-13@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #182493 |
Mike McClain wrote: > When I do 'apt-get upgrade', I get the following: > The following packages have been kept back: > firefox-esr > and firefox/iceweasel is what I was hoping to upgrade. > Can someone point me at where to look to see why I can't upgrade > iceweasel? Thanks, > Mike > -- > As Andy Capp's wife said, > "You're only young once, but you can be childish all your life." read the release notes and the information provided by mozilla. They turned off most of the plugins - in fact all old plugins except flashplayer do not work since firefox v 52. firefox-esr is intended to support all old plugins as up to v52. Debian decided to drop iceweasel/firefox and it was replaced by firefox-esr. Use the instructions mentioned in this thread to install esr package. regards
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