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  Stretch release today - How are you upgrading? RavenLX <ravenlx@sitesplace.net> - 2017-06-17 15:20 +0200
    Re: Stretch release today - How are you upgrading? Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2017-06-17 15:30 +0200
      Re: Stretch release today - How are you upgrading? RavenLX <ravenlx@sitesplace.net> - 2017-06-17 16:40 +0200
    Re: Stretch release today - How are you upgrading? Teemu Likonen <tlikonen@iki.fi> - 2017-06-17 16:00 +0200
      Re: Stretch release today - How are you upgrading? RavenLX <ravenlx@sitesplace.net> - 2017-06-17 16:40 +0200
    Re: Stretch release today - How are you upgrading? Matthew McKinnon <comprofix@list.comprofix.com> - 2017-06-17 18:30 +0200
      Re: Stretch release today - How are you upgrading? RavenLX <ravenlx@sitesplace.net> - 2017-06-17 19:00 +0200
        Re: Stretch release today - How are you upgrading? RavenLX <ravenlx@sitesplace.net> - 2017-06-17 20:20 +0200
    Re: Stretch release today - How are you upgrading? songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2017-06-18 00:10 +0200
    Re: Stretch release today - How are you upgrading? Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2017-06-18 06:00 +0200
      Re: Stretch release today - How are you upgrading? Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com> - 2017-06-18 13:00 +0200
        Re: Stretch release today - How are you upgrading? RavenLX <ravenlx@sitesplace.net> - 2017-06-18 13:50 +0200
        Re: Stretch release today - How are you upgrading? Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2017-06-18 20:30 +0200
          Re: Stretch release today - How are you upgrading? Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com> - 2017-06-18 21:00 +0200

#182241 — Stretch release today - How are you upgrading?

Today (Sunday June 17, 2017) seems to be the day they are going to 
"officially" release Stretch! I never did get my laptops upgraded as I'm 
creating an installation script to run post-install to install and 
configure applications, utilities, services, etc. that I normally use.

My question is, how are people upgrading? This will give me some 
inspiration.

My plan is to wipe the hard drive of the target machine and then install 
a fresh version of Stretch which I will have made a Bootable USB stick 
from. I'll only be using the Freeware non-free install because one 
laptop needs those drivers in order for WiFi to work. Then it'll get the 
rest of it from the 'net. After installing, I'll reboot and then run my 
installer script, reboot and then configure the menus, widgets (going 
KDE here), etc. and bring my data over from backups. To me for my 
situation this is the easiest for me. Then I'll go wipe my main laptop 
and do the same. Finally, I'll create a virtual machine in VirtualBox, 
do the same there except without the apps, etc. I'll just configure what 
I need to and export and back up the machine so I have something for 
testing my own stuff.

Today I think I'll work on my little installer script. Been not well 
lately so I haven't done much work on it.

Anyone have other ideas, suggestions, or anything I should also do, let 
me know.

Oh yeah, and I do plan to do the following right after installing Debian 
9 itself (apt-clean helps me save space on the smaller laptop HD):

sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
sudo apt-get autoremove
sudo apt-get clean

Also how is everyone celebrating the release? Parties? Just staying 
home? Me, I'm staying home. No parties that I know of in the area.

Anyone know of any "online" release parties?

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#182243

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On Sat, 17 Jun 2017 09:17:22 -0400
RavenLX <ravenlx@sitesplace.net> wrote:

Hello RavenLX,

>Today (Sunday June 17, 2017) 

Say that again;  *Sunday* 17th?...........

;-)

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#182247

On 06/17/2017 09:22 AM, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Jun 2017 09:17:22 -0400
> RavenLX <ravenlx@sitesplace.net> wrote:
> 
> Hello RavenLX,
> 
>> Today (Sunday June 17, 2017)
> 
> Say that again;  *Sunday* 17th?...........
> 
> ;-)
> 

LOL! I meant to type Saturday and it came out wrong. See, I need to 
upgrade the system. Still using Jessie. :P

Seriously, it's been a LOOOOONNNNNG week and I didn't sleep much last 
night. Bad excuse I know. :)

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ravenlx@sitesplace.net [2017-06-17 09:17:22-04] wrote:

> My question is, how are people upgrading?

By following the release notes (which I recommend):

https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/releasenotes

(I upgraded a week ago.)

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#182246

On 06/17/2017 09:51 AM, Teemu Likonen wrote:
> ravenlx@sitesplace.net [2017-06-17 09:17:22-04] wrote:
> 
>> My question is, how are people upgrading?
> 
> By following the release notes (which I recommend):
> 
> https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/releasenotes
> 
> (I upgraded a week ago.)
> 

Great resource! Thanks. My brain is a little fried (it'll be interesting 
to see how I manage to work on my script today). So I don't think I want 
to do all that reading! Yeah, I know, I should.

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#182250

On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 09:17:22AM -0400, RavenLX wrote:
> Anyone know of any "online" release parties?

You can join them in IRC and idle and follow what is happening with the release

Server: irc.debian.org
Channles #debian-release, #debian-ftp, #debian-cd

The teams are currently testing the CD/DVD Builds. amd64 Built and tested. Curretly testing i386.

You can also follow https://micronews.debian.org/ for updates on each stage.

Thanks
Matthew

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#182251

On 06/17/2017 12:49 PM, RavenLX wrote:
> On 06/17/2017 12:27 PM, Matthew McKinnon wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 09:17:22AM -0400, RavenLX wrote:
>> Anyone know of any "online" release parties?
>
> You can join them in IRC and idle and follow what is happening with 
> the release
>
> Server: irc.debian.org
> Channles #debian-release, #debian-ftp, #debian-cd
>
> The teams are currently testing the CD/DVD Builds. amd64 Built and 
> tested. Curretly testing i386.
>
> You can also follow https://micronews.debian.org/ for updates on each 
> stage.
>
> Thanks
> Matthew

Awesome, Matthew! Thanks! I am not doing too well this afternoon it
seems like so I don't think I'll be in IRC today. I rather just follow
the newsfeed but it's nice to see there are online sources for those who
want to join the party. :)

BTW, please forgive, as I seemed to have sent this directly to your 
email and forgot to hit "reply list" instead. Still learning this thing.

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#182252

> On 06/17/2017 12:27 PM, Matthew McKinnon wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 09:17:22AM -0400, RavenLX wrote:
>> Anyone know of any "online" release parties?
>
> You can join them in IRC and idle and follow what is happening with 
> the release
>
> Server: irc.debian.org
> Channles #debian-release, #debian-ftp, #debian-cd
>
> The teams are currently testing the CD/DVD Builds. amd64 Built and 
> tested. Curretly testing i386.
>
> You can also follow https://micronews.debian.org/ for updates on each 
> stage.

I broke down, fired up XChat and am in those above and #debian. :) 
Anyone else in there? I'm also still working on my install scripts.

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#182255

RavenLX wrote:
...
> My question is, how are people upgrading? This will give me some 
> inspiration.

  i'm doing nothing much as i just leave everything
set to testing and follow along as it happens 
(carefully at times :) ).  my other partition which
is a backup is delayed by a few weeks/months so i
will see how the next few weeks go and if everything
seems to be coming along ok i'll update that.

  in the meantime my stats for packages that have
had updates (which i've used) for:

jessie:

me@antro(17)/meb/debian$ ls jessie/*.deb | wc -l
17845

vs. stretch:

me@antro(18)/meb/debian$ ls stretch/*.deb | wc -l
24238

  i've now set up buster to track all new 
changes.


...
> Also how is everyone celebrating the release? Parties? Just staying 
> home? Me, I'm staying home. No parties that I know of in the area.

  saying Kudoes! to everyone involved.  :)


  songbird

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#182258

On Sat, 17 Jun 2017 09:17:22 -0400 RavenLX <ravenlx@sitesplace.net>
wrote:

> Today (Sunday June 17, 2017) seems to be the day they are going to 
> "officially" release Stretch! I never did get my laptops upgraded as
> I'm creating an installation script to run post-install to install
> and configure applications, utilities, services, etc. that I normally
> use.
> 
> My question is, how are people upgrading? This will give me some 
> inspiration.

I'm going to wait about a week to 10 days after Stretch's release
as Stable before installing while checking this list for any problems.
If all proves well, then clean, dual-boot install. No dist-upgrade
since I'm running Wheezy.  I prefer clean installs anyway. Less
"gotchas!" And I'll keep Wheezy as a fallback system in case something
goes south with Stretch since I will be replacing systemd as init and
supervisor with runit. Plus, as with my original Wheezy install, I'll
start with a terminal-only system and build up to X and a window
manager only (Openbox) set up.  I like my systems lean and mean with as
little cruft as possible. Full GUI environments are a waste of CPU
cycles as far as I'm concerned, I don't care how "cool" they look.

Good luck with your install.

B

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From: nemommxiv@gmail.com

I"m going to wait about a week to 10 days after Stretch"s release
as Stable before installing while checking this list for any problems.
If all proves well, then clean, dual-boot install.

So you fear something may break and in a week of 10 days there will
be a new installer, Debian9.1 or do you feel that all of us running stretch
for a long while we are full of problems and the stable release will fix them?

I just did an update and nothing has changed since yesterday, and I am
so bored I am switching to testing, Enough with this stable stuff :)

I"ll start with a terminal-only system and build up to X and a window
manager only (Openbox) set up. I like my systems lean and mean with as
little cruft as possible. Full GUI environments are a waste of CPU
cycles as far as I"m concerned, I don"t care how "cool" they look.

When I added a task/app bar and a filemanager on openbox the resource use
was not that far off lxde, which surprised me a bit.

Good luck with your install.

B

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#182276

On 06/18/2017 06:58 AM, Fungi4All wrote:
 > From: nemommxiv@gmail.com
 >>
 >> I"m going to wait about a week to 10 days after Stretch"s release
 >> as Stable before installing while checking this list for any problems.
 >> If all proves well, then clean, dual-boot install.
 >
 > So you fear something may break and in a week of 10 days there will
 > be a new installer, Debian9.1 or do you feel that all of us running 
stretch
 > for a long while we are full of problems and the stable release will 
fix them?
 >
 > I just did an update and nothing has changed since yesterday, and I am
 > so bored I am switching to testing,  Enough with this stable stuff :)

(Forgive while I cut in here.) They released yesterday. I updated the 
rc4 install I had in a VM last night while they were working on pushing 
the release out and only 14 packages needed updating since last week 
(when I updated last). Then I ran a script that went in and downloaded 
more packages, set up configurations, etc. for stuff I want to use. All 
went well. No problems. So I think that those worried about updating may 
be OK, generally.

There WAS talk about an unsolved problem with KVM on i915 systems 
(still) not starting X and showing "permission denied" (as far as I can 
tell, it looks to be some kind of kernel issue with that chip). But 
another tester on an i386 machine with that same chip had no issues. YMMV.

I think it's safe to say the installer also is OK now. I'll find out in 
a couple days (when I get done writing my script and fine-tuning it and 
getting some other stuff done in the virtual machine. I'm still getting 
ready for the Big Install on my two laptops). But rc4 did pretty well 
(if using a bootable USB. Had some issues with DVD install but it might 
have be the DVD player or the DVD burn).

 >> I"ll start with a terminal-only system and build up to X and a window
 >> manager only (Openbox) set up. I like my systems lean and mean with as
 >> little cruft as possible. Full GUI environments are a waste of CPU
 >> cycles as far as I"m concerned, I don"t care how "cool" they look.
 >
 > When I added a task/app bar and a filemanager on openbox the resource use
 > was not that far off lxde, which surprised me a bit.
 >
 >> Good luck with your install.
 >>
 >> B
 >
 >

I'm going to be quite curious about how my laptops handle KDE again. I 
had went to XFCE because the fans were always going but that was before 
I discovered I needed to install tlp. So I'm bouncing between deciding 
whether to install both XFCE and KDE or just KDE. I grown accustomed to 
XFCE but I like a lot of the features in KDE. I might put both on and 
use XFCE in instances where KDE is keeping the fans on too much (ie. 
high processing things like audio and video, 3d, etc. or games).

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#182297

On Sun, 18 Jun 2017 06:58:43 -0400 Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com>
wrote:

> From: nemommxiv@gmail.com
> 
> I"m going to wait about a week to 10 days after Stretch"s release
> as Stable before installing while checking this list for any problems.
> If all proves well, then clean, dual-boot install.
> 
> So you fear something may break and in a week of 10 days there will
> be a new installer, Debian9.1 or do you feel that all of us running
> stretch for a long while we are full of problems and the stable
> release will fix them?

No.  I don't expect any major problems, but it's the little gotchas that
get ya'.  Particularly since I'm going to be doing a customized,
"non-standard" install.

I've been running several installs of Stretch FC3 (duly dist-upgraded)
in VirtualBox for testing.  No problems so far: installing, switching to
new inits, dist-upgrades, etc.  I just want to check out what's
happening with everyone else, etc.  

> I just did an update and nothing has changed since yesterday, and I am
> so bored I am switching to testing, Enough with this stable stuff :)

So, you WANT problems?  Install Unstable. Or Windows 10. ;-)

> I"ll start with a terminal-only system and build up to X and a window
> manager only (Openbox) set up. I like my systems lean and mean with as
> little cruft as possible. Full GUI environments are a waste of CPU
> cycles as far as I"m concerned, I don"t care how "cool" they look.
> 
> When I added a task/app bar and a filemanager on openbox the resource
> use was not that far off lxde, which surprised me a bit.

On my custom (now 5 years old) Wheezy/Openbox install with LXpanel,
three virtual terminals and xfe filemanager compared to a typical LXDE
environment similarly config'd, there was a BIG difference in RAM
usage.  Response was noticably slower, too, but not to the point of
being too annoying. Like menus took a split second longer to pop up.


FYI: When you replied to my original post, your mail client failed to
quote properly or at all.  Check to see if quoting is turned on.

B

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From: nemommxiv@gmail.com

> So, you WANT problems? Install Unstable. Or Windows 10. ;-)

I have a machine running unstable and it has proved 100.1% reliable
for me, and it is dedicated to be a test bed for anything I want to try
on my work machine. It is also a home theater and chess crunching.
I updated it a few days ago and think of switching it to testing for a while.

> On my custom (now 5 years old) Wheezy/Openbox install with LXpanel,
>three virtual terminals and xfe filemanager compared to a typical LXDE
>environment similarly config"d, there was a BIG difference in RAM
>usage. Response was noticably slower, too, but not to the point of
>being too annoying. Like menus took a split second longer to pop up.

It has been a while, I will check it again. LXtask takes some resources in itself
So does screencatcher to compare snapshots or process and resources.

> FYI: When you replied to my original post, your mail client failed to
> quote properly or at all. Check to see if quoting is turned on.

This is a webmail only mail system I use and it has a graphic quoting system
that either the list does not transmit or some mail readers don\t recognize.
I have apologized before and I am doing it again, but it is hard to enter
brackets manually .... although I did it for the few lines above. Some people
get it and some don't, so intentionally I have responded to all so you can
compare the direct reply.

(AK)

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