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| Started by | Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2017-06-06 13:00 +0200 |
| Last post | 2017-06-06 21:40 +0200 |
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Choose between amd64 and i386 Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2017-06-06 13:00 +0200
Re: Choose between amd64 and i386 humbert.olivier.1@free.fr - 2017-06-06 13:40 +0200
Re: Choose between amd64 and i386 Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-06-06 14:20 +0200
Re: Choose between amd64 and i386 Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2017-06-06 17:50 +0200
Re: Choose between amd64 and i386 Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2017-06-06 18:00 +0200
Re: Choose between amd64 and i386 Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2017-06-06 20:00 +0200
Re: Choose between amd64 and i386 Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2017-06-06 21:30 +0200
Re: Choose between amd64 and i386 Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2017-06-07 10:40 +0200
Re: Choose between amd64 and i386 Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2017-06-07 11:10 +0200
Re: Choose between amd64 and i386 Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2017-06-07 20:20 +0200
Re: Choose between amd64 and i386 Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2017-06-10 15:50 +0200
Re: Choose between amd64 and i386 Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-06-10 16:40 +0200
Re: Choose between amd64 and i386 Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-06-10 17:50 +0200
Re: Choose between amd64 and i386 Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2017-06-10 18:00 +0200
Re: Choose between amd64 and i386 David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-06-10 18:30 +0200
Re: Choose between amd64 and i386 Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2017-06-10 19:30 +0200
Re: Choose between amd64 and i386 Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-06-10 19:30 +0200
Re: Choose between amd64 and i386 Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-06-10 19:20 +0200
Re: Choose between amd64 and i386 Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2017-06-11 17:00 +0200
Re: Choose between amd64 and i386 Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-06-11 17:20 +0200
Re: Choose between amd64 and i386 Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2017-06-11 19:00 +0200
Re: Choose between amd64 and i386 Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2017-06-11 19:10 +0200
Re: Choose between amd64 and i386 Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-06-10 20:20 +0200
Trying to install Debian on Acer One 10 laptop-tablet (was: Choose between amd64 and i386) Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2017-06-11 10:40 +0200
Re: Trying to install Debian on Acer One 10 laptop-tablet (was: Choose between amd64 and i386) Dejan Jocic <jodejka@gmail.com> - 2017-06-11 10:50 +0200
Re: Trying to install Debian on Acer One 10 laptop-tablet "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2017-06-11 11:40 +0200
Re: Trying to install Debian on Acer One 10 laptop-tablet Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2017-06-11 10:50 +0200
Re: Trying to install Debian on Acer One 10 laptop-tablet "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2017-06-11 11:10 +0200
Re: Trying to install Debian on Acer One 10 laptop-tablet Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2017-06-11 13:00 +0200
Re: Trying to install Debian on Acer One 10 laptop-tablet Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2017-06-11 14:00 +0200
Re: Trying to install Debian on Acer One 10 laptop-tablet "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2017-06-11 14:20 +0200
Re: Trying to install Debian on Acer One 10 laptop-tablet Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2017-06-14 08:40 +0200
Re: Choose between amd64 and i386 Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2017-06-10 21:30 +0200
Re: Choose between amd64 and i386 Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2017-06-07 11:10 +0200
Re: Choose between amd64 and i386 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-06-06 21:40 +0200
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| From | Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-06-11 19:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <tRenv-7qC-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #182078 |
Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> writes: > Rodolfo Medina composed on 2017-06-11 15:53 (UTC+0100): > >> Impossible to boot from live iso, neither with Knoppix nor Debian... It >> only allows booting into Windows. Instead, with non-live Debian iso, it is >> possible to boot into USB stick but then, when you choose any item from >> Debian Installation menu, everything sticks and display gets messed. > . > Have you tried using Windows to start the Debian installer? > https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Loader > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Win32-loader That sounds promising to me... I'll let you know. Thanks. Rodolfo
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| From | Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-06-11 19:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <tRexb-7IE-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #182080 |
Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> writes: > Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> writes: > >> Rodolfo Medina composed on 2017-06-11 15:53 (UTC+0100): >> >>> Impossible to boot from live iso, neither with Knoppix nor Debian... It >>> only allows booting into Windows. Instead, with non-live Debian iso, it is >>> possible to boot into USB stick but then, when you choose any item from >>> Debian Installation menu, everything sticks and display gets messed. >> . >> Have you tried using Windows to start the Debian installer? >> https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Loader >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Win32-loader > > That sounds promising to me... I'll let you know. Thanks. When I try to run it, from within Windows, error appears: `This program doesn't support Windows 6.2.9200 SPO yet'. And it stops. In fact, I have Windows 10 - if it's that. Rodolfo
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| From | Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2017-06-10 20:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <tQT9n-2lT-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #182025 |
Rodolfo Medina composed on 2017-06-10 1+:50 (UTC+0100): . > ...as I described, Debian doesn't even manage to start up on that > machine... and that's my problem... I don't use Windows and so the machine is > there permanently unused, waiting and hoping for next Debian releases to work > in the next - not too far - future... . Give Knoppix a try. If any Debian can, if any Linux can, odds are extremely high that Knoppix can. If it can't, I'm sure Klaus would like to know the details: debian-knoppix@lists.debian.org -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
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| From | Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-06-11 10:40 +0200 |
| Subject | Trying to install Debian on Acer One 10 laptop-tablet (was: Choose between amd64 and i386) |
| Message-ID | <tR6zD-2MF-17@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #182034 |
Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> writes: > Rodolfo Medina composed on 2017-06-10 1+:50 (UTC+0100): > . >> ...as I described, Debian doesn't even manage to start up on that machine... >> and that's my problem... I don't use Windows and so the machine is there >> permanently unused, waiting and hoping for next Debian releases to work in >> the next - not too far - future... > . Give Knoppix a try. If any Debian can, if any Linux can, odds are > extremely high that Knoppix can. If it can't, I'm sure Klaus would like to > know the details: debian-knoppix@lists.debian.org Thanks for the suggestion: I downloaded Knoppix and burned it onto DVD support, but unfortunately it seems no possible to boot the machine from DVD: no such option in start up boot menu. I'll try now Debian live isos as kindly suggested by other listers. Rodolfo
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| From | Dejan Jocic <jodejka@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-06-11 10:50 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Trying to install Debian on Acer One 10 laptop-tablet (was: Choose between amd64 and i386) |
| Message-ID | <tR6Jk-2PN-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #182058 |
On 11-06-17, Rodolfo Medina wrote: > Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> writes: > > > Rodolfo Medina composed on 2017-06-10 1+:50 (UTC+0100): > > . > >> ...as I described, Debian doesn't even manage to start up on that machine... > >> and that's my problem... I don't use Windows and so the machine is there > >> permanently unused, waiting and hoping for next Debian releases to work in > >> the next - not too far - future... > > . Give Knoppix a try. If any Debian can, if any Linux can, odds are > > extremely high that Knoppix can. If it can't, I'm sure Klaus would like to > > know the details: debian-knoppix@lists.debian.org > > > Thanks for the suggestion: I downloaded Knoppix and burned it onto DVD support, > but unfortunately it seems no possible to boot the machine from DVD: no such > option in start up boot menu. > > I'll try now Debian live isos as kindly suggested by other listers. > > Rodolfo > Knoppix can be used from USB too, with added bonus of heaving persistent storage on it. Debian live is DVD/CD version too, with option to put it on USB. And what exactly do you mean by can not boot from DVD? It does not have BIOS option to set it to boot from DVD, or you did not try setting BIOS options?
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| From | "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> |
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| Date | 2017-06-11 11:40 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Trying to install Debian on Acer One 10 laptop-tablet |
| Message-ID | <tR7vH-3lU-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #182060 |
Hi,
Dejan Jocic wrote:
> Knoppix can be used from USB too, with added bonus of heaving persistent
> storage on it.
Knoppix 7 can be installed onto USB stick like on a hard disk.
But first you need to boot it from DVD. This booting and installation
can possibly be done on some other computer.
http://knopper.net/knoppix/knoppix760-en.html
paragraph "Booting from Flash"
http://knoppix.net/wiki/Category:Hard_drive_Installation
Alternatively one could try to use some ISO-to-USB-stick repacker
like Rufus. (Dunno which boot loader it would install.)
Have a nice day :)
Thomas
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| From | Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-06-11 10:50 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Trying to install Debian on Acer One 10 laptop-tablet |
| Message-ID | <tR6Jk-2PN-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #182058 |
Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> writes: > Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> writes: > >> Rodolfo Medina composed on 2017-06-10 1+:50 (UTC+0100): >> . >>> ...as I described, Debian doesn't even manage to start up on that >>> machine... and that's my problem... I don't use Windows and so the >>> machine is there permanently unused, waiting and hoping for next Debian >>> releases to work in the next - not too far - future... >> . Give Knoppix a try. If any Debian can, if any Linux can, odds are >> extremely high that Knoppix can. If it can't, I'm sure Klaus would like to >> know the details: debian-knoppix@lists.debian.org > > > Thanks for the suggestion: I downloaded Knoppix and burned it onto DVD > support, but unfortunately it seems no possible to boot the machine from DVD: > no such option in start up boot menu. > > I'll try now Debian live isos as kindly suggested by other listers. ...from USB stick. Rodolfo
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| From | "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> |
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| Date | 2017-06-11 11:10 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Trying to install Debian on Acer One 10 laptop-tablet |
| Message-ID | <tR72F-3bG-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #182058 |
Hi, Rodolfo Medina wrote: > I downloaded Knoppix and burned it onto DVD support, but unfortunately > it seems no possible to boot the machine from DVD: no such > option in start up boot menu. If it's Knoppix 7, then it will only boot via BIOS or EFI Legacy BIOS Emulation. Knoppix 8 has boot entries for EFI. But it seems still only available on the german Linux Magazin DVD for DELUG members. The symptoms described in this thread appear to happen already when GRUB is still in control and offers its boot menu. Or did i get this wrong ? If it happens in GRUB, then Knoppix 8 would be a highly interesting alternative. Unlike nearly all other distros it does not use GRUB for EFI booting but rather offers an EFI system partition which contains SYSLINUX and a complete little GNU/Linux system. So the early boot technology on EFI is very different from Debian's. If it can be confirmed that the problem is actually in GRUB, not in Linux, then we'd have a good reason to ask Klaus Knopper to release Knoppix 8 as ISO image. Have a nice day :) Thomas
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| From | Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-06-11 13:00 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Trying to install Debian on Acer One 10 laptop-tablet |
| Message-ID | <tR8L7-41n-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #182063 |
"Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> writes: > Hi, > > Rodolfo Medina wrote: >> I downloaded Knoppix and burned it onto DVD support, but unfortunately >> it seems no possible to boot the machine from DVD: no such >> option in start up boot menu. > > If it's Knoppix 7, then it will only boot via BIOS or EFI Legacy BIOS > Emulation. > Knoppix 8 has boot entries for EFI. But it seems still only available > on the german Linux Magazin DVD for DELUG members. > > > The symptoms described in this thread appear to happen already when GRUB > is still in control and offers its boot menu. Or did i get this wrong ? Thanks. I'm not expert enough to tell if you are right. The symptoms I described already and here they are again: With USB Debian installation pendrive plugged in, pressing power button together with volume up takes me into the front page of the PC settings: there is: ->Boot Manager ->Device Manager ->Boot From File ->Administer Secure Boot ->Setup Utility I enter `Boot Manager', and there are two possible options: Windows Boot Manager EFI USB Device (General UDisk) I choose the second and here I am in Debian installation menu. There is: Install 64 bit install Graphical install 64 bit graphical install Advanced options ... Install with speech synnthesis 64 bit speech install I tried with both Install and `64 bit install', and also, now, with `64 bit graphical install'; and, in all those cases, what happens is that the image becomes confused and the keyboard sticks and no command is more possible. > If it happens in GRUB, then Knoppix 8 would be a highly interesting > alternative. Unlike nearly all other distros it does not use GRUB for EFI > booting but rather offers an EFI system partition which contains SYSLINUX > and a complete little GNU/Linux system. > So the early boot technology on EFI is very different from Debian's. > > If it can be confirmed that the problem is actually in GRUB, not in > Linux, then we'd have a good reason to ask Klaus Knopper to release > Knoppix 8 as ISO image. So, as far as I understand, Debian live isos will also probably fail and all I can do is waiting for Knoppix 8 iso image to be downloadable... Rodolfo
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| From | Curt <curty@free.fr> |
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| Date | 2017-06-11 14:00 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Trying to install Debian on Acer One 10 laptop-tablet |
| Message-ID | <tR9Hb-4B0-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #182069 |
On 2017-06-11, Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> wrote: > > So, as far as I understand, Debian live isos will also probably fail and all I > can do is waiting for Knoppix 8 iso image to be downloadable... Haven't been following the play by play, but maybe something here could be applicable to your case: https://gist.github.com/franga2000/2154d09f864894b8fe84 Maybe you've already seen it. > Rodolfo > > -- "It might be a vision--of a shell, of a wheelbarrow, of a fairy kingdom on the far side of the hedge; or it might be the glory of speed; no one knew." --Mrs. Ramsay, speculating on why her little daughter might be dashing about, in "To the Lighthouse," by Virginia Woolf.
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| From | "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> |
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| Date | 2017-06-11 14:20 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Trying to install Debian on Acer One 10 laptop-tablet |
| Message-ID | <tRa0x-4Yd-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #182069 |
Hi,
i wrote:
> > The symptoms described in this thread appear to happen already when GRUB
> > is still in control and offers its boot menu. Or did i get this wrong ?
Rodolfo Medina wrote:
> I enter `Boot Manager', and there are two possible options:
> Windows Boot Manager
> EFI USB Device (General UDisk)
> I choose the second and here I am in Debian installation menu.
I understand that this menu is not yet Linux but bootloader.
Since you obviously have EFI without BIOS emulation active, the bootloader
from the Debian ISO is GRUB (from BIOS it would be ISOLINUX).
> I tried with both Install and `64 bit install', and also, now, with `64 bit
> graphical install'; and, in all those cases, what happens is that the image
> becomes confused and the keyboard sticks and no command is more possible.
So you can properly operate the menu ?
In that case it would probably not be GRUB which fails but already Linux.
A matter of the booted kernel and its modules in the initrd.
> So, as far as I understand, Debian live isos will also probably fail
Did you already try the very newest Debian ISOs ? Maybe they have newer
Linux kernels. E.g.
https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-i386-netinst.iso
Sifting through the mailing list archive, i see a proposal by Pascal
Hambourg in
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/06/msg00406.html
which did not yet get a reply:
> > > The next step would be to select "expert install", GUI or not. It
> > > should display a lot of kernel messages before switching to the
> > > frame buffer or GUI installer menu. If it does not, then the kernel
> > > freeze happens very early in the boot process.
This might help to determine which of both systems is to blame:
GRUB or Linux.
@Pascal:
Do i get it right that you assume the last visible menu runs already
under control of Linux ?
But i see the texts reported by Rodolofo in Debian ISOs in the GRUB
menu file /boot/grub/grub.cfg :
menuentry --hotkey=i 'Install' {
menuentry --hotkey=6 '64 bit install' {
menuentry --hotkey=g 'Graphical install' {
So i assume that the last good graphics stems from GRUB and the last
user interaction was received by GRUB.
Question is whether the machine's user interface dies when GRUB ends
its life or while Linux is starting up.
> all I can do is waiting for Knoppix 8 iso image to be downloadable...
If it is about the Linux kernel then Knoppix will not be a way to get
the latest Linux kernel. It might of course have a drivers which the
Debian ISOs don't have. So when it is out it is worth a try.
You could try some other distro ISOs whether you get to see at least
a few kernel boot messages after choosing a menu item. Success with
another freely downloadable ISO could help to find out what goes wrong
with the Debian ISOs on your machine.
Have a nice day :)
Thomas
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| From | Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-06-14 08:40 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Trying to install Debian on Acer One 10 laptop-tablet |
| Message-ID | <tSa8a-1FC-15@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #182058 |
Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> writes: >>> ...as I described, Debian doesn't even manage to start up on that >>> machine... and that's my problem... I don't use Windows and so the >>> machine is there permanently unused, waiting and hoping for next Debian >>> releases to work in the next - not too far - future... Maybe this can help: http://www.rodsbooks.com/linux-uefi/ Rodolfo
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| From | Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> |
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| Date | 2017-06-10 21:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <tQUf7-31I-13@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #182016 |
Le 10/06/2017 à 15:41, Rodolfo Medina a écrit : > Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> writes: > >> Did the installer start in EFI or BIOS/legacy mode ? >> >> Did you try all combinations of the following ? >> - BIOS/legacy boot mode or EFI boot mode >> - text-mode install or GUI install >> - 32-bit install or 64-bit install > > With USB Debian installation pendrive plugged in, pressing power button > together with volume up takes me into the front page of the PC settings: there > is: > > ->Boot Manager > ->Device Manager > ->Boot From File > ->Administer Secure Boot > ->Setup Utility > > I enter `Boot Manager', and there are two possible options: > > Windows Boot Manager > EFI USB Device (General UDisk) These are EFI only boot entries. So it is likely that the Debian installer booted in EFI mode. I have had display trouble with some machines in EFI mode. You may explore the setup options to see it there is an option to enable legacy BIOS boot (aka CSM). This should make a new entry "Legacy USB device" available in the boot manager. > I tried with both Install and `64 bit install', and also, now, with `64 bit > graphical install'; and, in all those cases, what happens is that the image > becomes confused and the keyboard sticks and no command is more possible. The next step would be to select "expert install", GUI or not. It should display a lot of kernel messages before switching to the frame buffer or GUI installer menu. If it does not, then the kernel freeze happens very early in the boot process.
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| From | Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> |
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| Date | 2017-06-07 11:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <tPF8v-4Fk-23@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #181830 |
On Tue, 06 Jun 2017 16:59:37 +0100 Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> wrote: > We've supported the wacky "64-bit platform, 32-bit UEFI" devices > (e.g. Bay Trail) ever since the first Jessie release. If you grab a > multi-arch netinst or DVD image, it will boot via 32-bit but let you > start a 64-bit installation and *also* will detect the 32-bit platform > and install the correct version of grub. Thanks for the information, I did some reading beforehand back then and it was mentioned nowhere (at least nowhere I looked :) that the debian netinst installer is actually that smart, I could have tried to attach an usb hub and attach an usb wifi adapter for the installation if I had known. Regards Michael .-.. .. ...- . .-.. --- -. --. .- -. -.. .--. .-. --- ... .--. . .-. The people of Gideon have always believed that life is sacred. That the love of life is the greatest gift ... We are incapable of destroying or interfering with the creation of that which we love so deeply -- life in every form from fetus to developed being. -- Hodin of Gideon, "The Mark of Gideon", stardate 5423.4
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2017-06-06 21:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <tPsuB-4DE-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #181804 |
On Tue 06 Jun 2017 at 11:50:55 +0100, Rodolfo Medina wrote: > Since a new 8.8.0 Debian version is available for downloading, I want to try > again to install Debian on my tablet-laptop Acer One 10, which wouldn't allow > Debian installation some months ago... Can ayone suggest whether to use amd64 > or i386? Or how can I make it up? Thanks... Y'know. You have an Acer One 10. You also have access to amd64 and i386 netinst images. Why not try one or the other - or both. Half an hours work on your part. It saves people having to indulge in guessing games. Got the idea? Doesn't work? Come back here. There are Stretch images to have a go at. -- Brian.
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