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  Why was apache2's logfiles moved mid april? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-06-05 08:20 +0200
    Re: Why was apache2's logfiles moved mid april? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2017-06-05 13:20 +0200
    Re: Why was apache2's logfiles moved mid april? davidson@freevolt.org - 2017-06-05 13:20 +0200
      Re: Why was apache2's logfiles moved mid april? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-06-05 14:30 +0200
      Re: Why was apache2's logfiles moved mid april? David Wright <david@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-06-05 14:50 +0200
        Re: Why was apache2's logfiles moved mid april? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-06-05 15:20 +0200
          Re: Why was apache2's logfiles moved mid april? Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2017-06-06 12:10 +0200
            Re: Why was apache2's logfiles moved mid april? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-06-06 15:40 +0200
              Re: Why was apache2's logfiles moved mid april? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2017-06-06 15:50 +0200
                Re: Why was apache2's logfiles moved mid april? Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2017-06-06 23:10 +0200

#181754 — Why was apache2's logfiles moved mid april?

Greetings all;

100% uptodate wheezy install here.

I try to keep a handle on my web site traffic with awffull, but it has 
not generated any new data since sometime in april, so I go looking for 
the why tonight and find that apache2's logfiles were moved 
to /var/log/httpd.  I was going to reconfigure awffull, but that would 
have cost me about 5 years of history,  so I moved the files, and where 
apache2 keeps its logs back to /var/log/apache2.

Was there a good reason to issue an update to apache2.conf that moved 
those logfiles?

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#181759

Gene Heskett wrote:
> Greetings all;
>
> 100% uptodate wheezy install here.
>
> I try to keep a handle on my web site traffic with awffull, but it has 
> not generated any new data since sometime in april, so I go looking for 
> the why tonight and find that apache2's logfiles were moved 
> to /var/log/httpd.  I was going to reconfigure awffull, but that would 
> have cost me about 5 years of history,  so I moved the files, and where 
> apache2 keeps its logs back to /var/log/apache2.
>
> Was there a good reason to issue an update to apache2.conf that moved 
> those logfiles?

Not that I've seen -- unless it's a fix necessary because of apache 2.X
reading config files differently (e.g. deprecated options, etc.) and it
accidentally clobbered your chosen log location.



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#181760

On Mon, 5 Jun 2017, Gene Heskett wrote:

> Greetings all;
>
> 100% uptodate wheezy install here.
>
> I try to keep a handle on my web site traffic with awffull, but it has
> not generated any new data since sometime in april, so I go looking for
> the why tonight and find that apache2's logfiles were moved
> to /var/log/httpd.  I was going to reconfigure awffull, but that would
> have cost me about 5 years of history,  so I moved the files, and where
> apache2 keeps its logs back to /var/log/apache2.
>
> Was there a good reason to issue an update to apache2.conf that moved
> those logfiles?

You could examine the recent months' postings to the mailing list
below, and see if anything strikes a chord:

  https://lists.debian.org/debian-lts-changes/

But I seem to recall that around the end of April, you wrote to this
list that you had been experimenting with your web server and were
contemplating some changes to /etc/apache2 and /etc/httpd .

And now your web server's logfiles are stored in an unexpected
location, as of sometime in April.

This could be mere coincidence, and I personally wouldn't know a web
server from a taxi driver.

Just thinking out loud, as they like to say in Pickens County.

-- 
   Vladimir Putin: Hackers are free people. They are like artists. If
   they are in a good mood, they get up in the morning and begin
   painting their pictures.

https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-putin-patriotic-hackers-target-critics-not-state/28522639.html#content

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#181766

On Monday 05 June 2017 07:10:12 davidson@freevolt.org wrote:

> On Mon, 5 Jun 2017, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Greetings all;
> >
> > 100% uptodate wheezy install here.
> >
> > I try to keep a handle on my web site traffic with awffull, but it
> > has not generated any new data since sometime in april, so I go
> > looking for the why tonight and find that apache2's logfiles were
> > moved to /var/log/httpd.  I was going to reconfigure awffull, but
> > that would have cost me about 5 years of history,  so I moved the
> > files, and where apache2 keeps its logs back to /var/log/apache2.
> >
> > Was there a good reason to issue an update to apache2.conf that
> > moved those logfiles?
>
> You could examine the recent months' postings to the mailing list
> below, and see if anything strikes a chord:
>
>   https://lists.debian.org/debian-lts-changes/
>
> But I seem to recall that around the end of April, you wrote to this
> list that you had been experimenting with your web server and were
> contemplating some changes to /etc/apache2 and /etc/httpd .
>
> And now your web server's logfiles are stored in an unexpected
> location, as of sometime in April.
>
Something changed, and my web page became in-accessable from the outside 
at about that time.  That I managed to restore, but I don't recall 
moving the logfiles. I could potentially see a reason, that being to 
unify where all the competing web servers (theres quite a bunch of 
choices these days) keep their logs. I could have moved all the old 
logfiles to there I suppose, but it was easier to move the newly 
generated stuff back to the old location, where among other things, 
logrotate was used to working on them.

> This could be mere coincidence, and I personally wouldn't know a web
> server from a taxi driver.
>
> Just thinking out loud, as they like to say in Pickens County.

Chuckle, we do that here in Lewis County too.  We think about the 
hereafter too, like going some place, getting there, and then trying to 
recall what it was that I came here after...  My short term memory isn't 
what it once was, not even once.  Darnit.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#181769

On Mon 05 Jun 2017 at 11:10:12 (+0000), davidson@freevolt.org wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Jun 2017, Gene Heskett wrote:
> 
> >Greetings all;
> >
> >100% uptodate wheezy install here.
> >
> >I try to keep a handle on my web site traffic with awffull, but it has
> >not generated any new data since sometime in april, so I go looking for
> >the why tonight and find that apache2's logfiles were moved
> >to /var/log/httpd.  I was going to reconfigure awffull, but that would
> >have cost me about 5 years of history,  so I moved the files, and where
> >apache2 keeps its logs back to /var/log/apache2.
> >
> >Was there a good reason to issue an update to apache2.conf that moved
> >those logfiles?

I thought this change was made so that you could run multiple instances.
It's all in the changelog.

> You could examine the recent months' postings to the mailing list
> below, and see if anything strikes a chord:
> 
>  https://lists.debian.org/debian-lts-changes/
> 

> But I seem to recall that around the end of April, you wrote to this
> list that you had been experimenting with your web server and were
> contemplating some changes to /etc/apache2 and /etc/httpd .
> 
> And now your web server's logfiles are stored in an unexpected
> location, as of sometime in April.

… perhaps a few moments before Fri, 28 Apr 2017 23:35:06 -0400

Could you have lost control of your APACHE_LOG_DIR?

Cheers,
David.

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#181770

On Monday 05 June 2017 08:27:11 David Wright wrote:

> On Mon 05 Jun 2017 at 11:10:12 (+0000), davidson@freevolt.org wrote:
> > On Mon, 5 Jun 2017, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > >Greetings all;
> > >
> > >100% uptodate wheezy install here.
> > >
> > >I try to keep a handle on my web site traffic with awffull, but it
> > > has not generated any new data since sometime in april, so I go
> > > looking for the why tonight and find that apache2's logfiles were
> > > moved to /var/log/httpd.  I was going to reconfigure awffull, but
> > > that would have cost me about 5 years of history,  so I moved the
> > > files, and where apache2 keeps its logs back to /var/log/apache2.
> > >
> > >Was there a good reason to issue an update to apache2.conf that
> > > moved those logfiles?
>
> I thought this change was made so that you could run multiple
> instances. It's all in the changelog.
>
I grepped the system for apache2, then grepped that for a ChangeLog, and 
came up empty.

> > You could examine the recent months' postings to the mailing list
> > below, and see if anything strikes a chord:
> >
> >  https://lists.debian.org/debian-lts-changes/
> >
Does not appear to have done anything to apache2 in that time frame.
> >
> > But I seem to recall that around the end of April, you wrote to this
> > list that you had been experimenting with your web server and were
> > contemplating some changes to /etc/apache2 and /etc/httpd .
> >
> > And now your web server's logfiles are stored in an unexpected
> > location, as of sometime in April.
>
> … perhaps a few moments before Fri, 28 Apr 2017 23:35:06 -0400
>
> Could you have lost control of your APACHE_LOG_DIR?

I must have done it, and promptly forgot about it then. Very easily done 
when the wet ram is working on its 83rd.

I just put it back, and I apologize for the list noise.

I even looked in my own /var/cache/apt/archives, nothing in even remotely 
that time frame.  So it must have been me... :(

> Cheers,
> David.

Thanks David.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#181799

On 2017-06-05, Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
> On Monday 05 June 2017 08:27:11 David Wright wrote:
>
>> On Mon 05 Jun 2017 at 11:10:12 (+0000), davidson@freevolt.org wrote:
>> > On Mon, 5 Jun 2017, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> > >Greetings all;
>> > >
>> > >100% uptodate wheezy install here.
>> > >
>> > >I try to keep a handle on my web site traffic with awffull, but it
>> > > has not generated any new data since sometime in april, so I go
>> > > looking for the why tonight and find that apache2's logfiles were
>> > > moved to /var/log/httpd.  I was going to reconfigure awffull, but
>> > > that would have cost me about 5 years of history,  so I moved the
>> > > files, and where apache2 keeps its logs back to /var/log/apache2.
>> > >
>> > >Was there a good reason to issue an update to apache2.conf that
>> > > moved those logfiles?
>>
>> I thought this change was made so that you could run multiple
>> instances. It's all in the changelog.
>>
> I grepped the system for apache2, then grepped that for a ChangeLog, and 
> came up empty.

[...]

Glad you fixed the problem. For future reference,
/usr/share/doc/apache2/ is where you'll find the Debian and upstream
changelogs. Similarly for any other /usr/share/doc/$package_name/.

-- 

Liam

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#181823

On Tuesday 06 June 2017 05:59:27 Liam O'Toole wrote:

> On 2017-06-05, Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
> > On Monday 05 June 2017 08:27:11 David Wright wrote:
> >> On Mon 05 Jun 2017 at 11:10:12 (+0000), davidson@freevolt.org wrote:
> >> > On Mon, 5 Jun 2017, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >> > >Greetings all;
> >> > >
> >> > >100% uptodate wheezy install here.
> >> > >
> >> > >I try to keep a handle on my web site traffic with awffull, but
> >> > > it has not generated any new data since sometime in april, so I
> >> > > go looking for the why tonight and find that apache2's logfiles
> >> > > were moved to /var/log/httpd.  I was going to reconfigure
> >> > > awffull, but that would have cost me about 5 years of history, 
> >> > > so I moved the files, and where apache2 keeps its logs back to
> >> > > /var/log/apache2.
> >> > >
> >> > >Was there a good reason to issue an update to apache2.conf that
> >> > > moved those logfiles?
> >>
> >> I thought this change was made so that you could run multiple
> >> instances. It's all in the changelog.
> >
> > I grepped the system for apache2, then grepped that for a ChangeLog,
> > and came up empty.
>
> [...]
>
> Glad you fixed the problem. For future reference,
> /usr/share/doc/apache2/ is where you'll find the Debian and upstream
> changelogs. Similarly for any other /usr/share/doc/$package_name/.

Looking in there. there are none with a date that looks guilty, Liam, so 
I'm still looking in the mirror at the culprit.  Sorry for the noise.  I 
don't recommend getting old, its not anywhere near the fun ARRP makes it 
sound like.  So avoid it if you can.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#181824

On Tuesday 06 June 2017 09:36:57 Gene Heskett wrote:
Liam wrote:
> > Glad you fixed the problem. For future reference,
> > /usr/share/doc/apache2/ is where you'll find the Debian and upstream
> > changelogs. Similarly for any other /usr/share/doc/$package_name/.
>
> Looking in there. there are none with a date that looks guilty, Liam,
> so I'm still looking in the mirror at the culprit.  Sorry for the
> noise.  I don't recommend getting old, its not anywhere near the fun
> ARRP makes it sound like.  So avoid it if you can.
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett

Just to demo that Liam, I didn't even use the right acronym, its AARP. :(

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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#181855

On 2017-06-06, Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> wrote:
> On Tuesday 06 June 2017 09:36:57 Gene Heskett wrote:
> Liam wrote:
>> > Glad you fixed the problem. For future reference,
>> > /usr/share/doc/apache2/ is where you'll find the Debian and upstream
>> > changelogs. Similarly for any other /usr/share/doc/$package_name/.
>>
>> Looking in there. there are none with a date that looks guilty, Liam,
>> so I'm still looking in the mirror at the culprit.  Sorry for the
>> noise.  I don't recommend getting old, its not anywhere near the fun
>> ARRP makes it sound like.  So avoid it if you can.
>>
>> Cheers, Gene Heskett
>
> Just to demo that Liam, I didn't even use the right acronym, its AARP. :(
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett

I had never heard of AARP, so I looked them up. It turns out that I
already fall within their target demographic. Wrong country though.

-- 

Liam

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