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switching flavors

Started byFrank M <debianlist@videotron.ca>
First post2017-06-04 03:20 +0200
Last post2017-06-04 18:10 +0200
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  switching flavors Frank M <debianlist@videotron.ca> - 2017-06-04 03:20 +0200
    Re: switching flavors Gary Dale <garydale@torfree.net> - 2017-06-04 05:20 +0200
      Re: switching flavors Davor Balder <davor@cropakglobal.com> - 2017-06-04 08:30 +0200
        Re: switching flavors SDA <marathon.durandal@gmail.com> - 2017-06-04 18:30 +0200
          Re: switching flavors Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2017-06-04 19:50 +0200
            Re: switching flavors SDA <marathon.durandal@gmail.com> - 2017-06-06 23:00 +0200
              Re: switching flavors Mark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com> - 2017-06-07 02:00 +0200
                Re: switching flavors SDA <marathon.durandal@gmail.com> - 2017-06-07 10:20 +0200
          Re: switching flavors Frank M <debianlist@videotron.ca> - 2017-06-04 20:10 +0200
          Re: switching flavors Davor Balder <davor@cropakglobal.com> - 2017-06-04 23:50 +0200
      Re: switching flavors Frank M <debianlist@videotron.ca> - 2017-06-04 18:10 +0200
    Re: switching flavors Frank M <debianlist@videotron.ca> - 2017-06-04 18:10 +0200

#181732 — switching flavors

FromFrank M <debianlist@videotron.ca>
Date2017-06-04 03:20 +0200
Subjectswitching flavors
Message-ID<tOsmZ-6az-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
I am running Debian Stretch, and like to change to Sid.

Can I just change my sources.list to unstable and upgrade?

I have run Sid before and am prepared to deal with some breakage.

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#181733

FromGary Dale <garydale@torfree.net>
Date2017-06-04 05:20 +0200
Message-ID<tOuf8-7nn-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#181732
On 03/06/17 08:59 PM, Frank M wrote:
> I am running Debian Stretch, and like to change to Sid.
>
> Can I just change my sources.list to unstable and upgrade?
>
> I have run Sid before and am prepared to deal with some breakage

Yes, although I'd do a dist-upgrade (or full-upgrade if using aptitude).

Based on some earlier problems with Stretch and the discussions around 
it, I'm not sure that sid is necessarily less stable. Apparently they 
dump stuff into Stretch without anyone actually checking to see that it 
can work with other Stretch libraries.

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#181734

FromDavor Balder <davor@cropakglobal.com>
Date2017-06-04 08:30 +0200
Message-ID<tOxcZ-Xi-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#181733
Yes - and based on some work I did earlier in the week if you keep the
things simple I would say your upgrade should be uneventful.

I  changed the repo to unstable

Then I did:

apt-get update

apt-get upgrade

That was it.


Cheers


D

On 04/06/17 13:11, Gary Dale wrote:
> On 03/06/17 08:59 PM, Frank M wrote:
>> I am running Debian Stretch, and like to change to Sid.
>>
>> Can I just change my sources.list to unstable and upgrade?
>>
>> I have run Sid before and am prepared to deal with some breakage
>
> Yes, although I'd do a dist-upgrade (or full-upgrade if using aptitude).
>
> Based on some earlier problems with Stretch and the discussions around
> it, I'm not sure that sid is necessarily less stable. Apparently they
> dump stuff into Stretch without anyone actually checking to see that
> it can work with other Stretch libraries.
>

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#181746

FromSDA <marathon.durandal@gmail.com>
Date2017-06-04 18:30 +0200
Message-ID<tOGzE-7B8-19@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#181734
On Sun, Jun 04, 2017 at 04:20:02PM +1000, Davor Balder wrote:
> Yes - and based on some work I did earlier in the week if you keep the
> things simple I would say your upgrade should be uneventful.
> 
> I  changed the repo to unstable
> 
> Then I did:
> 
> apt-get update
> 
> apt-get upgrade
> 
> That was it.

Nope, not done yet. You still need to do a full upgrade. In apt it's 'apt 
full-upgrade' in aptitude it's 'aptitude dist-upgrade'. Not sure what the 
eqivalent command is in apt-get.

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#181749

FromJoe <joe@jretrading.com>
Date2017-06-04 19:50 +0200
Message-ID<tOHP3-8lJ-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#181746
On Sun, 4 Jun 2017 12:20:51 -0400
SDA <marathon.durandal@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Jun 04, 2017 at 04:20:02PM +1000, Davor Balder wrote:
> > Yes - and based on some work I did earlier in the week if you keep
> > the things simple I would say your upgrade should be uneventful.
> > 
> > I  changed the repo to unstable
> > 
> > Then I did:
> > 
> > apt-get update
> > 
> > apt-get upgrade
> > 
> > That was it.  
> 
> Nope, not done yet. You still need to do a full upgrade. In apt it's
> 'apt full-upgrade' in aptitude it's 'aptitude dist-upgrade'. Not sure
> what the eqivalent command is in apt-get.
> 

Other way around, aptitude is safe-upgrade and full-upgrade, it's
apt-get which has upgrade and dist-upgrade. apt mixes the two, with
upgrade and full-upgrade.

-- 
Joe

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#181854

FromSDA <marathon.durandal@gmail.com>
Date2017-06-06 23:00 +0200
Message-ID<tPtK2-5mC-15@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#181749
On Sun, Jun 04, 2017 at 06:44:10PM +0100, Joe wrote:
> On Sun, 4 Jun 2017 12:20:51 -0400
> SDA <marathon.durandal@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, Jun 04, 2017 at 04:20:02PM +1000, Davor Balder wrote:
> > > Yes - and based on some work I did earlier in the week if you keep
> > > the things simple I would say your upgrade should be uneventful.
> > > 
> > > I  changed the repo to unstable
> > > 
> > > Then I did:
> > > 
> > > apt-get update
> > > 
> > > apt-get upgrade
> > > 
> > > That was it.  
> > 
> > Nope, not done yet. You still need to do a full upgrade. In apt it's
> > 'apt full-upgrade' in aptitude it's 'aptitude dist-upgrade'. Not sure
> > what the eqivalent command is in apt-get.
> > 
> 
> Other way around, aptitude is safe-upgrade and full-upgrade, it's
> apt-get which has upgrade and dist-upgrade. apt mixes the two, with
> upgrade and full-upgrade.

Not unless it was changed in aptitude just recently, (I've used it for years 
prior). Aptitude has 'safe-upgrade' yes, but it also has 'upgrade' and 
'dist-upgrade'. So 3 options.

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#181862

FromMark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com>
Date2017-06-07 02:00 +0200
Message-ID<tPwyd-7dr-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#181854
On Tue, Jun 06, 2017 at 04:55:01PM -0400, SDA wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 04, 2017 at 06:44:10PM +0100, Joe wrote:
> > On Sun, 4 Jun 2017 12:20:51 -0400
> > SDA <marathon.durandal@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > On Sun, Jun 04, 2017 at 04:20:02PM +1000, Davor Balder wrote:
> > > > Yes - and based on some work I did earlier in the week if you keep
> > > > the things simple I would say your upgrade should be uneventful.
> > > > 
> > > > I  changed the repo to unstable
> > > > 
> > > > Then I did:
> > > > 
> > > > apt-get update
> > > > 
> > > > apt-get upgrade
> > > > 
> > > > That was it.  
> > > 
> > > Nope, not done yet. You still need to do a full upgrade. In apt it's
> > > 'apt full-upgrade' in aptitude it's 'aptitude dist-upgrade'. Not sure
> > > what the eqivalent command is in apt-get.
> > > 
> > 
> > Other way around, aptitude is safe-upgrade and full-upgrade, it's
> > apt-get which has upgrade and dist-upgrade. apt mixes the two, with
> > upgrade and full-upgrade.
> 
> Not unless it was changed in aptitude just recently, (I've used it for years 
> prior). Aptitude has 'safe-upgrade' yes, but it also has 'upgrade' and 
> 'dist-upgrade'. So 3 options.
> 

>From the man page for aptitude, search for dist-upgrade, in the section 
on full-upgrade -- "This command was originally named dist-upgrade for 
historical reasons, and aptitude still recognises dist-upgrade as a 
synonym for full-upgrade."

The man page does not acknowledge just upgrade as a command. According 
to the man page, the two options are safe-upgrade and full-upgrade, but 
I can testify that upgrade still works (and I _think_ does a 
safe-upgrade).

Mark

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#181872

FromSDA <marathon.durandal@gmail.com>
Date2017-06-07 10:20 +0200
Message-ID<tPEm5-44h-15@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#181862
On Wed, Jun 07, 2017 at 08:57:40AM +0900, Mark Fletcher wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 06, 2017 at 04:55:01PM -0400, SDA wrote:
> > On Sun, Jun 04, 2017 at 06:44:10PM +0100, Joe wrote:
> > > On Sun, 4 Jun 2017 12:20:51 -0400
> > > SDA <marathon.durandal@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On Sun, Jun 04, 2017 at 04:20:02PM +1000, Davor Balder wrote:
> > > > > Yes - and based on some work I did earlier in the week if you keep
> > > > > the things simple I would say your upgrade should be uneventful.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I  changed the repo to unstable
> > > > > 
> > > > > Then I did:
> > > > > 
> > > > > apt-get update
> > > > > 
> > > > > apt-get upgrade
> > > > > 
> > > > > That was it.  
> > > > 
> > > > Nope, not done yet. You still need to do a full upgrade. In apt it's
> > > > 'apt full-upgrade' in aptitude it's 'aptitude dist-upgrade'. Not sure
> > > > what the eqivalent command is in apt-get.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Other way around, aptitude is safe-upgrade and full-upgrade, it's
> > > apt-get which has upgrade and dist-upgrade. apt mixes the two, with
> > > upgrade and full-upgrade.
> > 
> > Not unless it was changed in aptitude just recently, (I've used it for years 
> > prior). Aptitude has 'safe-upgrade' yes, but it also has 'upgrade' and 
> > 'dist-upgrade'. So 3 options.
> > 
> 
> >From the man page for aptitude, search for dist-upgrade, in the section 
> on full-upgrade -- "This command was originally named dist-upgrade for 
> historical reasons, and aptitude still recognises dist-upgrade as a 
> synonym for full-upgrade."
> 
> The man page does not acknowledge just upgrade as a command. According 
> to the man page, the two options are safe-upgrade and full-upgrade, but 
> I can testify that upgrade still works (and I _think_ does a 
> safe-upgrade).

Ah I see. Thanks Mark, it's been sometime since I've used Aptitude for 
managing my packages.

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#181750

FromFrank M <debianlist@videotron.ca>
Date2017-06-04 20:10 +0200
Message-ID<tOI8q-fs-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#181746

On 06/04/2017 01:44 PM, Joe wrote:
> On Sun, 4 Jun 2017 12:20:51 -0400
> SDA <marathon.durandal@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Jun 04, 2017 at 04:20:02PM +1000, Davor Balder wrote:
>>> Yes - and based on some work I did earlier in the week if you keep
>>> the things simple I would say your upgrade should be uneventful.
>>>
>>> I  changed the repo to unstable
>>>
>>> Then I did:
>>>
>>> apt-get update
>>>
>>> apt-get upgrade
>>>
>>> That was it.
>> Nope, not done yet. You still need to do a full upgrade. In apt it's
>> 'apt full-upgrade' in aptitude it's 'aptitude dist-upgrade'. Not sure
>> what the eqivalent command is in apt-get.
>>
> Other way around, aptitude is safe-upgrade and full-upgrade, it's
> apt-get which has upgrade and dist-upgrade. apt mixes the two, with
> upgrade and full-upgrade.
>

     Did an apt full-upgrade. Now running Sid. No problems.
Thanks guys.

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#181751

FromDavor Balder <davor@cropakglobal.com>
Date2017-06-04 23:50 +0200
Message-ID<tOLzk-2f9-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#181746
You're right

there should be also

apt-get dist-upgrade


as the third command on the bottom


Cheers


D

On 05/06/17 02:20, SDA wrote:

> On Sun, Jun 04, 2017 at 04:20:02PM +1000, Davor Balder wrote:
>> Yes - and based on some work I did earlier in the week if you keep the
>> things simple I would say your upgrade should be uneventful.
>>
>> I  changed the repo to unstable
>>
>> Then I did:
>>
>> apt-get update
>>
>> apt-get upgrade
>>
>> That was it.
> Nope, not done yet. You still need to do a full upgrade. In apt it's 'apt 
> full-upgrade' in aptitude it's 'aptitude dist-upgrade'. Not sure what the 
> eqivalent command is in apt-get.
>

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#181744

FromFrank M <debianlist@videotron.ca>
Date2017-06-04 18:10 +0200
Message-ID<tOGgi-7tg-17@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#181733

On 06/04/2017 02:20 AM, Davor Balder wrote:
> Yes - and based on some work I did earlier in the week if you keep the
> things simple I would say your upgrade should be uneventful.
>
> I  changed the repo to unstable
>
> Then I did:
>
> apt-get update
>
> apt-get upgrade
>
> That was it.
>
>
> Cheers
>
>
> D
>
> On 04/06/17 13:11, Gary Dale wrote:
>> On 03/06/17 08:59 PM, Frank M wrote:
>>> I am running Debian Stretch, and like to change to Sid.
>>>
>>> Can I just change my sources.list to unstable and upgrade?
>>>
>>> I have run Sid before and am prepared to deal with some breakage
>> Yes, although I'd do a dist-upgrade (or full-upgrade if using aptitude).
>>
>> Based on some earlier problems with Stretch and the discussions around
>> it, I'm not sure that sid is necessarily less stable. Apparently they
>> dump stuff into Stretch without anyone actually checking to see that
>> it can work with other Stretch libraries.
>>
>

     Great. Thanks very much. We'll see how it goes.

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#181743

FromFrank M <debianlist@videotron.ca>
Date2017-06-04 18:10 +0200
Message-ID<tOGgh-7tg-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#181732

On 06/03/2017 11:11 PM, Gary Dale wrote:
> On 03/06/17 08:59 PM, Frank M wrote:
>> I am running Debian Stretch, and like to change to Sid.
>>
>> Can I just change my sources.list to unstable and upgrade?
>>
>> I have run Sid before and am prepared to deal with some breakage
>
> Yes, although I'd do a dist-upgrade (or full-upgrade if using aptitude).
>
> Based on some earlier problems with Stretch and the discussions around 
> it, I'm not sure that sid is necessarily less stable. Apparently they 
> dump stuff into Stretch without anyone actually checking to see that 
> it can work with other Stretch libraries.
>

Thanks Gary. Will do later today.

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