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| Started by | "Stephen P. Molnar" <s.molnar@sbcglobal.net> |
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| First post | 2017-06-01 14:40 +0200 |
| Last post | 2017-06-02 01:40 +0200 |
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Install Debian 8.8.0/XFCE on32 bit system "Stephen P. Molnar" <s.molnar@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-01 14:40 +0200
Re: Install Debian 8.8.0/XFCE on32 bit system David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-06-01 16:30 +0200
Re: Install Debian 8.8.0/XFCE on32 bit system "Stephen P. Molnar" <s.molnar@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-01 18:30 +0200
Re: Install Debian 8.8.0/XFCE on32 bit system Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2017-06-01 18:40 +0200
Re: Install Debian 8.8.0/XFCE on32 bit system David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-06-02 02:00 +0200
Re: Install Debian 8.8.0/XFCE on32 bit system Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-06-04 00:20 +0200
Re: Install Debian 8.8.0/XFCE on32 bit system David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-06-04 18:30 +0200
Re: Install Debian 8.8.0/XFCE on32 bit system Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-06-04 19:20 +0200
Re: Install Debian 8.8.0/XFCE on32 bit system David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-06-08 04:30 +0200
Re: Install Debian 8.8.0/XFCE on32 bit system "Stephen P. Molnar" <s.molnar@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-04 13:00 +0200
Re: Install Debian 8.8.0/XFCE on32 bit system Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-06-02 01:40 +0200
| From | "Stephen P. Molnar" <s.molnar@sbcglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2017-06-01 14:40 +0200 |
| Subject | Install Debian 8.8.0/XFCE on32 bit system |
| Message-ID | <tNxyr-2x0-27@gated-at.bofh.it> |
I have an older desktop that has been running Windows XP that was shut down for about 5 years that I wean to put back into service. I know that it will run Debian as I've tried out the 32 bit live version. Now, I am not a computer person, but rather an Organic Chemist and I am use to the Debian 64 bit installer allowing me to automatically set up the hard drive. Fortunately, the 32 bit installer expects more knowledge that I possess when I get to the HD setup. I have three HD's Anthe system and want to install Debian on the first dirge (hda) My problem is compounded by my attempted searches for the solution as all I can seem to find involves running 32 bit apps on a 64 bit OS (i already know how to do that). I would greatly appreciate being pointed towards a solution to this problem. Thanks in advance. -- Stephen P. Molnar, Ph.D. Life is a fuzzy set www.molecular-modeling.net Stochastic and multivariate (614)312-7528 (c) Skype: smolnar1
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| From | David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2017-06-01 16:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <tNzgS-3Gr-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #181643 |
On Thu 01 Jun 2017 at 08:30:33 (-0400), Stephen P. Molnar wrote: > I have an older desktop that has been running Windows XP that was > shut down for about 5 years that I wean to put back into service. > > I know that it will run Debian as I've tried out the 32 bit live version. > > Now, I am not a computer person, but rather an Organic Chemist and I > am use to the Debian 64 bit installer allowing me to automatically > set up the hard drive. Fortunately, the 32 bit installer expects > more knowledge that I possess when I get to the HD setup. I have > three HD's Anthe system and want to install Debian on the first > dirge (hda) It might help to know _what_ knowledge is being demanded of you. It's odd; I've run both 32bit and 64bit installers and can't see a difference apart from the names of certain items like the kernel version. When you arrive at this screen: ┌────────────────────────────┤ [!!] Partition disks ├─────────────────────────────┐ │ │ │ This is an overview of your currently configured partitions and mount points. │ │ Select a partition to modify its settings (file system, mount point, etc.), a │ │ free space to create partitions, or a device to initialize its partition │ │ table. │ │ │ │ Guided partitioning │ │ Configure software RAID │ │ Configure the Logical Volume Manager │ │ Configure encrypted volumes │ │ Configure iSCSI volumes │ │ │ │ SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) - 60.0 GB ATA IC25N060ATMR04-0 │ │ > #1 primary 20.0 GB B ext4 │ │ > #2 primary 20.0 GB ext4 │ │ > #3 primary 19.0 GB ext4 │ │ > #4 primary 1.0 GB F swap swap │ │ SCSI3 (0,0,0) (sdb) - 1.0 GB Generic Flash Disk │ │ │ │ Undo changes to partitions │ │ Finish partitioning and write changes to disk │ │ │ │ <Go Back> │ │ │ └─────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ where I see my USB installer stick (still plugged in), you'll also see your other two hard drives which you can just ignore. Or, if push comes to shove, you could always perform the entire Debian installation with two drives disconnected; just unplug their data cables. > My problem is compounded by my attempted searches for the solution > as all I can seem to find involves running 32 bit apps on a 64 bit > OS (i already know how to do that). What were you searching for? > I would greatly appreciate being pointed towards a solution to this problem. Cheers, David.
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| From | "Stephen P. Molnar" <s.molnar@sbcglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2017-06-01 18:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <tNB91-4UR-59@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #181648 |
On 06/01/2017 10:24 AM, David Wright wrote: > On Thu 01 Jun 2017 at 08:30:33 (-0400), Stephen P. Molnar wrote: >> I have an older desktop that has been running Windows XP that was >> shut down for about 5 years that I wean to put back into service. >> >> I know that it will run Debian as I've tried out the 32 bit live version. >> >> Now, I am not a computer person, but rather an Organic Chemist and I >> am use to the Debian 64 bit installer allowing me to automatically >> set up the hard drive. Fortunately, the 32 bit installer expects >> more knowledge that I possess when I get to the HD setup. I have >> three HD's Anthe system and want to install Debian on the first >> dirge (hda) > > It might help to know _what_ knowledge is being demanded of you. > It's odd; I've run both 32bit and 64bit installers and can't see > a difference apart from the names of certain items like the > kernel version. > > When you arrive at this screen: > > ┌────────────────────────────┤ [!!] Partition disks ├─────────────────────────────┐ > │ │ > │ This is an overview of your currently configured partitions and mount points. │ > │ Select a partition to modify its settings (file system, mount point, etc.), a │ > │ free space to create partitions, or a device to initialize its partition │ > │ table. │ > │ │ > │ Guided partitioning │ > │ Configure software RAID │ > │ Configure the Logical Volume Manager │ > │ Configure encrypted volumes │ > │ Configure iSCSI volumes │ > │ │ > │ SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) - 60.0 GB ATA IC25N060ATMR04-0 │ > │ > #1 primary 20.0 GB B ext4 │ > │ > #2 primary 20.0 GB ext4 │ > │ > #3 primary 19.0 GB ext4 │ > │ > #4 primary 1.0 GB F swap swap │ > │ SCSI3 (0,0,0) (sdb) - 1.0 GB Generic Flash Disk │ > │ │ > │ Undo changes to partitions │ > │ Finish partitioning and write changes to disk │ > │ │ > │ <Go Back> │ > │ │ > └─────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ > > where I see my USB installer stick (still plugged in), you'll also see > your other two hard drives which you can just ignore. > > Or, if push comes to shove, you could always perform the entire Debian > installation with two drives disconnected; just unplug their data cables. > >> My problem is compounded by my attempted searches for the solution >> as all I can seem to find involves running 32 bit apps on a 64 bit >> OS (i already know how to do that). > > What were you searching for? > >> I would greatly appreciate being pointed towards a solution to this problem. > > Cheers, > David. > > Thanks for the reply. The above ...[!!] Partition disks... is exactly what I'm seeing. The question comes down to which option do I take? I only want to partition sda, so that I don't wipe the other drives in the system. Also, where did i LOOK? First of all, the Debian Handbook and the our friend Google. -- Stephen P. Molnar, Ph.D. Life is a fuzzy set www.molecular-modeling.net Stochastic and multivariate (614)312-7528 (c) Skype: smolnar1
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| From | Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> |
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| Date | 2017-06-01 18:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <tNBiJ-4Yy-99@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #181664 |
On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 12:23:56PM -0400, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: > On 06/01/2017 10:24 AM, David Wright wrote: > > ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? [!!] Partition disks ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? > > ??? SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) - 60.0 GB ATA IC25N060ATMR04-0 > > ??? SCSI3 (0,0,0) (sdb) - 1.0 GB Generic Flash Disk > The above ...[!!] Partition disks... is exactly what I'm seeing. The > question comes down to which option do I take? I only want to partition > sda, so that I don't wipe the other drives in the system. The important part is that "sda" and "sdb" are not meaningful labels in the general case. You need to look at the rest of the information -- the size, the description, the model number, the existing partitions. Use those to decide which disk to write to.
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| From | David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2017-06-02 02:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <tNIat-14h-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #181666 |
On Thu 01 Jun 2017 at 12:32:01 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 12:23:56PM -0400, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: > > On 06/01/2017 10:24 AM, David Wright wrote: > > > > ? [!!] Partition disks ? > > > > ??? SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) - 60.0 GB ATA IC25N060ATMR04-0 > > > > ??? SCSI3 (0,0,0) (sdb) - 1.0 GB Generic Flash Disk > > > The above ...[!!] Partition disks... is exactly what I'm seeing. The > > question comes down to which option do I take? I only want to partition > > sda, so that I don't wipe the other drives in the system. > > The important part is that "sda" and "sdb" are not meaningful labels in > the general case. You need to look at the rest of the information -- > the size, the description, the model number, the existing partitions. > Use those to decide which disk to write to. That's right. The strings you see above in the example are the /dev/disk/by-id files (or part thereof) and those filenames (or parts thereof) can frequently be found written on the outside of the disk's casing (and sometimes on the box) as Model/Serial/Part Number or whatever. When I managed to persuade the Computing Service to issue me with several disks at the same time (very infrequently), I would make sure I created partitions with slightly different (usually by one cylinder, a historical concept!) absolute and relative sizes so that I could distinguish them in circumstances where size was the only parameter visible. Cheers, David.
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| From | Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2017-06-04 00:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <tOpyN-4jB-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #181682 |
David Wright composed on 2017-06-01 18:55 (UTC-0500): > When I managed to persuade the Computing Service to issue me with > several disks at the same time (very infrequently), I would make > sure I created partitions with slightly different (usually by one > cylinder, a historical concept!) absolute and relative sizes so that > I could distinguish them in circumstances where size was the only > parameter visible. Most of my / partitions are 4800M, 5600M or 7200M, to facilitate interchange with minimal need to do any re-partitioning. I have bunches of multiboot test systems, and do a lot of cloning. There's no way I could keep track of what I have without a written record of what lives where. Luckily, the only partitioner ever used here[1] creates logs with tables that inventory each disk wonderfully. (Old) example: http://fm.no-ip.com/Tmp/Dfsee/fi965d03.txt [1] http://www.dfsee.com/ -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
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| From | David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2017-06-04 18:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <tOGzD-7B8-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #181725 |
On Sat 03 Jun 2017 at 18:18:02 (-0400), Felix Miata wrote: > David Wright composed on 2017-06-01 18:55 (UTC-0500): > > > When I managed to persuade the Computing Service to issue me with > > several disks at the same time (very infrequently), I would make > > sure I created partitions with slightly different (usually by one > > cylinder, a historical concept!) absolute and relative sizes so that > > I could distinguish them in circumstances where size was the only > > parameter visible. > > Most of my / partitions are 4800M, 5600M or 7200M, to facilitate interchange > with minimal need to do any re-partitioning. I have bunches of multiboot test > systems, and do a lot of cloning. There's no way I could keep track of what I > have without a written record of what lives where. Luckily, the only partitioner > ever used here[1] creates logs with tables that inventory each disk wonderfully. > (Old) example: http://fm.no-ip.com/Tmp/Dfsee/fi965d03.txt Yes, I've always kept an inventory of drives (and everything else) with the partitioning scheme, udev data, SMART output, and a general diary of anything unusual. But what I was talking about above is what's available to you at the moment you press the final confirmatory keystroke when, say, formatting a partition with DOS 6.22 or its predecessors. IIRC (20 years ago) at that moment, the only feedback from the system about which partition will actually be formatted is its size. And back in those days, if you formatted a DOS partition in linux, there was a good chance it wouldn't work because of disagreements over geometry. You had to let DOS choose the geometry and then linux would follow it. But you're unusual in working in this area, so unlike most of us you're going to have a dedicated tool available; in fact you work on it I see. Cheers, David.
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| From | Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2017-06-04 19:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <tOHm2-87n-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #181745 |
David Wright composed on 2017-06-04 11:19 (UTC-0500): ... > But you're unusual in working in this area, so unlike most of us > you're going to have a dedicated tool available; in fact you work > on it I see. I'm not sure what you mean. I'm only a DFSee user, no kind of programmer. I discovered the value of sticking to one single partitioning tool with an interface consistent across environments for use on multiboot systems back in 2000, when I first took serious interest in adding Linux to my installed systems repertoire for eventual migration from OS/2. Back then in v3.x it had native binaries for DOS, Windows and OS/2 only. Its Linux binary was introduced in 2004, Mac in 2007. GPT writing, which I have yet to use, was a long time coming, introduced in 2015. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
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| From | David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2017-06-08 04:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <tPVmW-6Cm-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #181747 |
On Sun 04 Jun 2017 at 13:14:42 (-0400), Felix Miata wrote: > David Wright composed on 2017-06-04 11:19 (UTC-0500): > ... > > But you're unusual in working in this area, so unlike most of us > > you're going to have a dedicated tool available; in fact you work > > on it I see. > > I'm not sure what you mean. I'm only a DFSee user, no kind of programmer. I obviously misunderstood the appearance of your name in doc/dfsee.txt but its presence manifestly shows you have some interest in it. > I > discovered the value of sticking to one single partitioning tool with an > interface consistent across environments for use on multiboot systems back in > 2000, when I first took serious interest in adding Linux to my installed systems > repertoire for eventual migration from OS/2. Back then in v3.x it had native > binaries for DOS, Windows and OS/2 only. Its Linux binary was introduced in > 2004, About the time I retired from having any use for DOS. As I said, my aside was referring to the late 1990s. You can see that I don't set such a great store by it nowadays. > Mac in 2007. GPT writing, which I have yet to use, was a long time coming, > introduced in 2015. Yes, I can see the value in using a single tool. Currently in my case it's gdisk but, then, I don't have disks with 30+ partitions of every kind under the sun. However, my original comment was aimed at the screen I included within it, where the information displayed is a fraction of what is contained in your fi965d03.txt file. Almost without exception, the unambiguous partition sizes are the least likely parameter to be omitted in such a listing so differences might still be useful for some people. Cheers, David.
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| From | "Stephen P. Molnar" <s.molnar@sbcglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2017-06-04 13:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <tOBqi-3SC-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #181682 |
On 06/01/2017 07:55 PM, David Wright wrote: > On Thu 01 Jun 2017 at 12:32:01 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: >> On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 12:23:56PM -0400, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: >>> On 06/01/2017 10:24 AM, David Wright wrote: >> >>>> ? [!!] Partition disks ? >> >>>> ??? SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) - 60.0 GB ATA IC25N060ATMR04-0 >> >>>> ??? SCSI3 (0,0,0) (sdb) - 1.0 GB Generic Flash Disk >> >>> The above ...[!!] Partition disks... is exactly what I'm seeing. The >>> question comes down to which option do I take? I only want to partition >>> sda, so that I don't wipe the other drives in the system. >> >> The important part is that "sda" and "sdb" are not meaningful labels in >> the general case. You need to look at the rest of the information -- >> the size, the description, the model number, the existing partitions. >> Use those to decide which disk to write to. > > That's right. The strings you see above in the example are the > /dev/disk/by-id files (or part thereof) and those filenames > (or parts thereof) can frequently be found written on the outside > of the disk's casing (and sometimes on the box) as Model/Serial/Part > Number or whatever. > > When I managed to persuade the Computing Service to issue me with > several disks at the same time (very infrequently), I would make > sure I created partitions with slightly different (usually by one > cylinder, a historical concept!) absolute and relative sizes so that > I could distinguish them in circumstances where size was the only > parameter visible. > > Cheers, > David. > > My thanks to all who responded to my plea for help. The problem has been solved. As it turned out the command line installer had the option for partitioning the hda and I managed to install Debian Stretch rc4. -- Stephen P. Molnar, Ph.D. Life is a fuzzy set www.molecular-modeling.net Stochastic and multivariate (614)312-7528 (c) Skype: smolnar1
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| From | Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2017-06-02 01:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <tNHR7-UQ-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #181643 |
Stephen P. Molnar composed on 2017-06-01 08:30 (UTC-0400): > I have an older desktop that has been running Windows XP that was shut > down for about 5 years that I wean to put back into service. > I know that it will run Debian as I've tried out the 32 bit live version. > Now, I am not a computer person, but rather an Organic Chemist and I am > use to the Debian 64 bit installer allowing me to automatically set up > the hard drive. Fortunately, the 32 bit installer expects more Fortunately??? > knowledge that I possess when I get to the HD setup. I have three HD's > Anthe system and want to install Debian on the first dirge (hda) > My problem is compounded by my attempted searches for the solution as > all I can seem to find involves running 32 bit apps on a 64 bit OS (i > already know how to do that). > I would greatly appreciate being pointed towards a solution to this problem. I wasn't aware that only the 64 bit installer is available in a GUI version, which is what you seem to be implying. Did you start the 32 bit installer using the same type source media and process as you did with the 64? I've only ever used Debian's text version, whether installing 32 or 64. To me, what David showed you in his response you replied to and confirmed to be what you see is plenty straight-forward once studied a bit. If you want the installer to propose something, select the top choice, answer yes or no as you see fit, and be done with it. It won't do anything with anything you say no to, and it won't proceed to write anything anywhere until you confirm you're ready to have it do so. If you're not comfortable that it won't disturb sdb or sdc, do as David said, and install with neither device enabled. One option is to partition in advance, using whichever partitioner you find best suits you. I always partition fully in advance of starting *any* operating system installer. This method means all that's required during OS installation is to specify which partitions to use, for which purpose, where to mount, and whether to format. (I format in advance, as well as partition in advance.) No major Linux distribution forces you to use only partitions that it creates during its installation process. If what you're asking is how sda /should* be partitioned, it's one with as many answers as people to provide them. Usually anyone who needs to have asked the question and hasn't provided any information about his needs or expectations is best off just accepting the installer's proposal from choosing "Guided". -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
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