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How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default?

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  How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default? gwmfms6@openmailbox.org - 2017-05-26 17:40 +0200
    Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default? Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2017-05-26 17:50 +0200
      Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default? Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2017-05-26 18:10 +0200
        Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default? gwmfms6@openmailbox.org - 2017-05-26 18:40 +0200
          Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default? Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2017-05-26 18:50 +0200
            Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default? gwmfms6@openmailbox.org - 2017-05-26 19:00 +0200
              Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default? Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2017-05-26 19:10 +0200
                Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default? Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2017-05-27 12:20 +0200
                  Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default? gwmfms6@openmailbox.org - 2017-05-27 14:40 +0200
                    Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default? Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2017-05-27 16:30 +0200
                      Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default? gwmfms6@openmailbox.org - 2017-05-27 17:20 +0200
                        Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default? Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2017-05-27 17:40 +0200
                          Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default? rhkramer@gmail.com - 2017-05-27 20:10 +0200
                          Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default? Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2017-05-27 22:00 +0200
                    Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default? Frank <zuiderduin@gmx.com> - 2017-05-27 17:00 +0200
                      Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default? gwmfms6@openmailbox.org - 2017-05-27 17:30 +0200
                        Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default? Jeremy Nicoll <jn.ml.dbn.25@letterboxes.org> - 2017-05-27 17:50 +0200
                        Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default? Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2017-05-27 17:50 +0200
                          Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default? gwmfms6@openmailbox.org - 2017-05-27 18:10 +0200
                          Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-05-28 03:50 +0200
                    Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default? Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2017-05-30 14:50 +0200
                      Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default? gwmfms6@openmailbox.org - 2017-05-30 18:30 +0200
                        RE: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default? "Emanuele Bernardi" <e.berna@posteo.net> - 2017-05-30 18:50 +0200
                          RE: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default? gwmfms6@openmailbox.org - 2017-05-31 16:10 +0200
            Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default? gwmfms6@openmailbox.org - 2017-05-26 19:00 +0200
              Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default? Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2017-05-26 19:10 +0200
                Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default? gwmfms6@openmailbox.org - 2017-05-26 19:10 +0200
                  Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default? James Cloos <cloos@jhcloos.com> - 2017-05-27 20:50 +0200

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#181594

On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 08:33:16AM -0400, gwmfms6@openmailbox.org wrote:
> I want to make everything proper and swapping to all en_DK variables 
> fixes some things but not others. The only proper solution is to:
> 
> 1) be able to change individual variables within Gnome (which I don't 
> think is possible in current gnome)
> 2) create my own locale, which I do not know how to do.

3) Somehow get the GNOME developers to fix their crap.
4) Stop using GNOME.

As long as we're being comprehensive. ;-)

Perhaps a GNOME-specific mailing list might have more options for you.
Maybe there's some way to tell GNOME not to touch the locale settings
*at all*, and simply let them pass through from the underlying operating
system.

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#181598

On 2017-05-30 08:46, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> 
> Perhaps a GNOME-specific mailing list might have more options for you.
> Maybe there's some way to tell GNOME not to touch the locale settings
> *at all*, and simply let them pass through from the underlying 
> operating
> system.

Yes, I have switched to taking up the issue with GNOME, but they appear 
not to care at all. I did not know the problem was with GNOME initially 
and discussing it with the Debian folks (which are awesome by the way) 
helped me figure out it was GNOME that is the problem.

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#181599

My system has en_US.utf8 for default, but I wanted the iso time so I just
added the it_IT.utf8 (dpkg-reconfigure locales) and changed in gnome Region
& Language the Formats.

-----Original Message-----
From: gwmfms6@openmailbox.org [mailto:gwmfms6@openmailbox.org] 
Sent: martedì 30 maggio 2017 18:22
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default?

On 2017-05-30 08:46, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> 
> Perhaps a GNOME-specific mailing list might have more options for you.
> Maybe there's some way to tell GNOME not to touch the locale settings 
> *at all*, and simply let them pass through from the underlying 
> operating system.

Yes, I have switched to taking up the issue with GNOME, but they appear not
to care at all. I did not know the problem was with GNOME initially and
discussing it with the Debian folks (which are awesome by the way) helped me
figure out it was GNOME that is the problem.

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#181616

On 2017-05-30 12:40, Emanuele Bernardi wrote:
> My system has en_US.utf8 for default, but I wanted the iso time so I 
> just
> added the it_IT.utf8 (dpkg-reconfigure locales) and changed in gnome 
> Region
> & Language the Formats.


And what do you do when you need the Paper format, currency, numeric 
system, etc to be United States locale? Changing the GNOME format 
changes EVERY variable to whatever that country is set to (not 
necessarily what that country uses, what that country's file is set to). 
I live in the United States, and wouldn't you know it, some of us use 
international date time here. Whoa! But there is no way (in GNOME) to 
set the United States locale while using international date time. And 
yes the United States is still on the Imperial measurement system, but 
many professionals (e.g., scientists) use the Metric system in the 
United States. Yet we cannot set these when using GNOME. If I change the 
format (in GNOME) and switch to a locale that does use international 
date time, I then get currency, paper format, numeric, etc that do not 
conform to the USA.

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#181425

I neglected to say my environment. Sorry! I am on GNOME and login via 
GDM.

I do not use SSH and it says connection refused when I try.

when I open a virtual console, and type ncal, the calendar begins with 
Monday--so this appears to be working.

The problem is with GNOME, then? I suppose Debian can't help with that?

On 2017-05-26 12:48, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 06:31:29PM +0200, gwmfms6@openmailbox.org 
> wrote:
>> ~/Desktop $ cat /etc/default/locale
>> LANG=en_US.UTF-8
>> LC_TIME=en_DK.UTF-8
> 
>> ~/Desktop $ locale
>> LANG=en_US.UTF-8
>> LANGUAGE=
>> LC_CTYPE="en_US.UTF-8"
>> LC_NUMERIC=en_US.utf8
>> LC_TIME=en_US.utf8
>> LC_COLLATE="en_US.UTF-8"
>> LC_MONETARY=en_US.utf8
>> LC_MESSAGES="en_US.UTF-8"
>> LC_PAPER=en_US.utf8
>> LC_NAME="en_US.UTF-8"
>> LC_ADDRESS="en_US.UTF-8"
>> LC_TELEPHONE="en_US.UTF-8"
>> LC_MEASUREMENT=en_US.utf8
>> LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_US.UTF-8"
>> LC_ALL=
> 
>> As you can see LC_TIME is set to en_DK in /etc/default/locale but 
>> locale
>> is not reporting this when it is run.
> 
> Does this change if you login on a text console?
> 
> Does this change if you login via "ssh localhost" (or "ssh $HOSTNAME",
> or ssh in from a different host to this one over a network)?
> 
> What desktop environment are you using?  What display manager are you
> using to login?

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#181427

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:54:24PM -0400, gwmfms6@openmailbox.org wrote:
> I neglected to say my environment. Sorry! I am on GNOME and login via 
> GDM.
> 
> I do not use SSH and it says connection refused when I try.
> 
> when I open a virtual console, and type ncal, the calendar begins with 
> Monday--so this appears to be working.
> 
> The problem is with GNOME, then? I suppose Debian can't help with that?

Perhaps.  I'd still like to confirm that.

Press Ctrl-Alt-F2 to get to a text console, and login there.  Do you
get a different result?  If you want to include the results in an
email, it might be helpful to redirect to a file:

Ctrl-Alt-F2
username
password
locale > ~/locale.out
exit

Ctrl-Alt-F1
open a terminal if necessary
cat ~/locale.out
paste into email if necessary

If you get a different result on the text console, that is strong evidence
that GNOME is overriding PAM's locale environment variables, and then
you would need to do something in GNOME to get the change you want.

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#181428

You are correct. typing locale in the virtual (text) console produces 
LC_TIME=en_DK. So GNOME is overriding PAM's environment.

Thank you so much for helping me discover this! I learned a lot in the 
process.

On 2017-05-26 13:01, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:54:24PM -0400, gwmfms6@openmailbox.org 
> wrote:
>> I neglected to say my environment. Sorry! I am on GNOME and login via
>> GDM.
>> 
>> I do not use SSH and it says connection refused when I try.
>> 
>> when I open a virtual console, and type ncal, the calendar begins with
>> Monday--so this appears to be working.
>> 
>> The problem is with GNOME, then? I suppose Debian can't help with 
>> that?
> 
> Perhaps.  I'd still like to confirm that.
> 
> Press Ctrl-Alt-F2 to get to a text console, and login there.  Do you
> get a different result?  If you want to include the results in an
> email, it might be helpful to redirect to a file:
> 
> Ctrl-Alt-F2
> username
> password
> locale > ~/locale.out
> exit
> 
> Ctrl-Alt-F1
> open a terminal if necessary
> cat ~/locale.out
> paste into email if necessary
> 
> If you get a different result on the text console, that is strong 
> evidence
> that GNOME is overriding PAM's locale environment variables, and then
> you would need to do something in GNOME to get the change you want.

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#181516

>>>>> "g" == gwmfms6  <gwmfms6@openmailbox.org> writes:

g> You are correct. typing locale in the virtual (text) console produces
g> LC_TIME=en_DK. So GNOME is overriding PAM's environment.

g> Thank you so much for helping me discover this! I learned a lot in the
g> process.

Did you re-start gdm after editing the files in /etc?

You might even need to reboot given the use of a gui for login.

-JimC
-- 
James Cloos <cloos@jhcloos.com>         OpenPGP: 0x997A9F17ED7DAEA6

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