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| Started by | Anil Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> |
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| First post | 2017-05-21 03:00 +0200 |
| Last post | 2017-05-21 10:00 +0200 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 77 — 15 participants |
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Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Anil Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2017-05-21 03:00 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com> - 2017-05-21 03:50 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2017-05-21 10:10 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-05-21 05:10 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2017-05-21 10:00 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2017-05-21 12:10 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> - 2017-05-21 12:30 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2017-05-21 12:50 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2017-05-21 13:30 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> - 2017-05-21 17:50 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2017-05-21 19:30 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> - 2017-05-21 22:00 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2017-05-21 23:00 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Anil Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2017-05-22 02:30 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-05-22 05:40 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> - 2017-05-22 06:00 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Anil Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2017-05-22 16:00 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-05-22 16:10 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Anil Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2017-05-22 16:20 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-05-22 16:40 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2017-05-23 00:30 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com> - 2017-05-22 17:00 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Kent West <westk@acu.edu> - 2017-05-22 17:10 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Anil Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2017-05-22 19:30 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> - 2017-05-22 22:20 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Anil Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2017-05-23 00:00 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2017-05-23 04:20 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Anil Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2017-05-23 15:30 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2017-05-23 18:00 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Anil Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2017-05-23 18:10 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-05-24 00:10 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2017-05-24 01:00 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2017-05-24 14:20 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Anil Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2017-05-24 15:00 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Anil Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2017-05-24 15:00 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-05-24 15:40 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Anil Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2017-05-24 16:20 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com> - 2017-05-24 16:40 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2017-05-24 16:50 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-05-24 21:40 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2017-05-24 22:10 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-05-24 22:40 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2017-05-24 22:40 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Anil Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2017-05-24 23:10 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@debian.org> - 2017-05-24 23:10 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Anil Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2017-05-24 22:50 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2017-05-24 23:00 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-05-24 23:30 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Anil Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2017-05-25 00:00 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2017-05-25 06:20 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Anil Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2017-05-26 16:40 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> - 2017-05-27 01:20 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Anil Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2017-05-27 01:50 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> - 2017-05-27 02:00 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> - 2017-05-27 02:00 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> - 2017-05-27 02:00 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Anil Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2017-05-27 02:00 +0200
Re: Poor X performance with Intel 8086:22b1 (Braswell) (was: Oh no something has gone wrong! after...) Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-05-27 02:00 +0200
Re: Poor X performance with Intel 8086:22b1 (Braswell) Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> - 2017-05-27 02:10 +0200
Re: Poor X performance with Intel 8086:22b1 (Braswell) Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-05-27 02:40 +0200
Re: Poor X performance with Intel 8086:22b1 (Braswell) Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> - 2017-05-27 02:50 +0200
Re: Poor X performance with Intel 8086:22b1 (Braswell) Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-05-27 03:10 +0200
Re: Poor X performance with Intel 8086:22b1 (Braswell) Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> - 2017-05-27 03:30 +0200
Re: Poor X performance with Intel 8086:22b1 (Braswell) Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-05-27 04:50 +0200
Re: Poor X performance with Intel 8086:22b1 (Braswell) Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> - 2017-05-27 05:20 +0200
Re: Poor X performance with Intel 8086:22b1 (Braswell) Anil Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2017-05-27 17:20 +0200
Re: Poor X performance with Intel 8086:22b1 (Braswell) Anil Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2017-05-31 16:20 +0200
Re: Poor X performance with Intel 8086:22b1 (Braswell) Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2017-05-31 16:30 +0200
Re: Poor X performance with Intel 8086:22b1 (Braswell) Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2017-05-31 20:00 +0200
Re: Poor X performance with Intel 8086:22b1 (Braswell) Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2017-05-31 23:50 +0200
Re: Poor X performance with Intel 8086:22b1 (Braswell) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2017-05-31 22:00 +0200
Re: Poor X performance with Intel 8086:22b1 (Braswell) Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2017-05-31 22:10 +0200
Re: Poor X performance with Intel 8086:22b1 (Braswell) Anil Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2017-05-31 23:50 +0200
Re: Poor X performance with Intel 8086:22b1 (Braswell) Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-06-01 13:20 +0200
Re: Poor X performance with Intel 8086:22b1 (Braswell) (was: Oh no something has gone wrong! after...) Anil Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> - 2017-05-27 17:00 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-05-24 02:10 +0200
Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2017-05-21 10:00 +0200
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| From | Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> |
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| Date | 2017-05-24 22:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <tKKLw-6SV-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #181339 |
On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 03:38:38PM -0400, Felix Miata wrote: > Given that that log contains no (EE) errors, switching to a different DE might > be a solution. Well, we knew that from the Subject: of the email. ;-) The message in the subject is unique to certain desktop environments, and indicates that the graphics support isn't good enough for whatever crazy rendering or compositing thing the kids these days think a workstation should do. > That log also reports the modeset(0) driver is in use. It's possible that the > Intel driver would work better. I suppose it's worth a shot, but the modeset driver is supposed to be the correct choice for most Intel graphics chipsets in stretch, even those that were supported by the intel driver in jessie. A more common suggestion might be to verify that all of the necessary firmware has been installed, especially if some of it is from non-free. dmesg | grep -i firmware See if there are any errors about missing firmware there, and if so, track down and install whichever packages contain those firmware blobs. It's pretty likely that he'll want firmware-misc-nonfree for example. > followed by login manager restart or reboot. He got his Xorg.0.log from $HOME instead of /var/log, which means he is running startx, not using a display manager. I'm not sure whether you need to reboot after installing new firmware.
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| From | Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2017-05-24 22:40 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. |
| Message-ID | <tKLex-72S-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #181340 |
Greg Wooledge composed on 2017-05-24 16:00 (UTC-0400): > A more common suggestion might be to verify that all of the necessary > firmware has been installed, especially if some of it is from non-free. > dmesg | grep -i firmware Requested >20 hours ago: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/05/msg00744.html I also asked which video player(s) he was using, and got no answer to that either. > He got his Xorg.0.log from $HOME instead of /var/log, which means he is > running startx, not using a display manager. All my Stretch installations are using /var/log/ for Xorg.#.log whether I use startx (with or without a DM running) or not. All my openSUSEes are, and even my Fedoras IIRC. Once upon a time, Intel gfx did not need any firmware that was not part of a default or minimal installation. :-( -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
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| From | Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> |
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| Date | 2017-05-24 22:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <tKLey-72S-15@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #181341 |
On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 04:31:40PM -0400, Felix Miata wrote: > All my Stretch installations are using /var/log/ for Xorg.#.log whether I use > startx (with or without a DM running) or not. All my openSUSEes are, and even my > Fedoras IIRC. In stretch, startx uses /var/log/Xorg.0.log if you run it as root, or ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log if you run it as a non-root user. (Learned that one the hard way... trying to diagnose my own Intel video chipset issues, and kept looking at the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file from that one time I had run startx as root, instead of the *current* log that was being written elsewhere. Took a while to figure out why my changes were having no effect in the log....) > Once upon a time, Intel gfx did not need any firmware that was not part of a > default or minimal installation. :-( Yup. This changed with the intel->modeset switch in stretch. The modeset driver wants firmware.
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| From | Anil Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> |
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| Date | 2017-05-24 23:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <tKLHA-7u7-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #181341 |
I dont know if people are being misled by the title in this thread and I should start a new thread. Gnome is working in my laptop since I installed Stretch, it is just not working well. please read only my previous message to this one, thanks, On Wed, May 24, 2017, at 04:00 PM, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > On Wed, 24 May 2017, Felix Miata wrote: > > Once upon a time, Intel gfx did not need any firmware that was not part of a > > default or minimal installation. :-( > > Nowadays it may actually requires BIOS/UEFI _and_ processor microcode > updates as well. > > The BIOS/UEFI updates work around issues related to power management and > suspend/resume. The microcode updates fix internal CPU to iGPU > low-level issues that typically results in processor hangs, or iGPU > misbehavior. > > -- > Henrique Holschuh >
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| From | Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@debian.org> |
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| Date | 2017-05-24 23:10 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. |
| Message-ID | <tKLHA-7u7-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #181341 |
On Wed, 24 May 2017, Felix Miata wrote: > Once upon a time, Intel gfx did not need any firmware that was not part of a > default or minimal installation. :-( Nowadays it may actually requires BIOS/UEFI _and_ processor microcode updates as well. The BIOS/UEFI updates work around issues related to power management and suspend/resume. The microcode updates fix internal CPU to iGPU low-level issues that typically results in processor hangs, or iGPU misbehavior. -- Henrique Holschuh
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| From | Anil Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> |
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| Date | 2017-05-24 22:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <tKLoe-76t-29@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #181340 |
Hello everyone, thanks for your responses. To recap, I installed a fresh
Stretch with Gnome, that is all I have done so far.
Felix: xorg-xserver-video-intel is installed and shows up in dpkg -l
grep intel:
ii libdrm-intel1:amd64 2.4.74-1
amd64 Userspace interface to intel-specific kernel DRM
services -- runtime
ii libdrm-intel1:i386 2.4.74-1
i386 Userspace interface to intel-specific kernel DRM
services -- runtime
ii xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.99.917+git20161206-1
amd64 X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver
from journalctl | grep failed:
May 24 15:26:48 laptopanil kernel: acpi PNP0A08:00: _OSC failed
(AE_ERROR); disabling ASPM
May 24 15:26:52 laptopanil kernel: usb 1-3: firmware: failed to load
ar3k/AthrBT_0x31010000.dfu (-2)
May 24 15:26:52 laptopanil kernel: usb 1-3: Direct firmware load for
ar3k/AthrBT_0x31010000.dfu failed with error -2
May 24 15:26:52 laptopanil kernel: Bluetooth: Loading patch file failed
May 24 15:26:52 laptopanil kernel: ath3k: probe of 1-3:1.0 failed with
error -2
May 24 15:27:00 laptopanil avahi-daemon[470]: chroot.c: open() failed:
No such file or directory
May 24 15:27:07 laptopanil systemd-udevd[556]: Process '/sbin/crda'
failed with exit code 255.
May 24 15:27:29 laptopanil gnome-settings-[696]: g_task_return_error:
assertion 'error != NULL' failed
May 24 15:27:36 laptopanil /usr/lib/gdm3/gdm-x-session[754]:
xf86EnableIOPorts: failed to set IOPL for I/O (Operation not permitted)
May 24 15:27:47 laptopanil gnome-settings-[942]: g_task_return_error:
assertion 'error != NULL' failed
May 24 15:27:55 laptopanil tracker-extract[972]: External plugin loader
failed. This most likely means that the plugin loader helper binary was
not found or could not be run. You might need to set the
GST_PLUGIN_SCANNER environment variable if your setup is unusual. This
should normally not be required though.
May 24 15:29:06 laptopanil firefox-esr.desktop[1131]: 1495657746446
addons.productaddons ERROR Request failed certificate
checks: [Exception... "SSL is required and URI scheme is not https."
nsresult: "0x8000ffff (NS_ERROR_UNEXPECTED)" location: "JS frame ::
resource://gre/modules/CertUtils.jsm :
I know I am missing some wireless firmware, I imagine that is not
causing my issue (sluggish graphics, and crashing videos), cofirmed by
dmesg | grep -i firmware:
[ 0.432369] ACPI: [Firmware Bug]: BIOS _OSI(Linux) query ignored
[ 13.469892] usb 1-3: firmware: failed to load
ar3k/AthrBT_0x31010000.dfu (-2)
[ 13.470076] usb 1-3: Direct firmware load for
ar3k/AthrBT_0x31010000.dfu failed with error -2
[ 25.915422] r8169 0000:02:00.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware
rtl_nic/rtl8106e-1.fw
Someone had said I could update my BIOS (and something about linux mode,
I cannot find that), could that possibly help??
Greg: I do believe I am not using a dm since looking for lightdm or gdm
or lxdm does not show installed packages.
I have one more question, doing apt-get upgrade mentions
linux-image-amd64 is being "held back" I am currently on 4.9.0-2, could
this be related?
If Gnome is not for me, then I can live with that (someone said
(debian-laptop list) they have my exact same laptop and is running
Gnome, I dont know how he did it), I guess I can go to Mate if
necesssary, could the video playback issue also be resolved this way??
thanks a lot, sorry for the long email
On Wed, May 24, 2017, at 03:00 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 03:38:38PM -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
> > Given that that log contns no (EE) errors, switching to a different DE might
> > be a solution.
>
> Well, we knew that from the Subject: of the email. ;-) The message in
> the subject is unique to certain desktop environments, and indicates
> that the graphics support isn't good enough for whatever crazy rendering
> or compositing thing the kids these days think a workstation should do.
>
> > That log also reports the modeset(0) driver is in use. It's possible that the
> > Intel driver would work better.
>
> I suppose it's worth a shot, but the modeset driver is supposed to
> be the correct choice for most Intel graphics chipsets in stretch,
> even those that were supported by the intel driver in jessie.
>
> A more common suggestion might be to verify that all of the necessary
> firmware has been installed, especially if some of it is from non-free.
>
> dmesg | grep -i firmware
>
> See if there are any errors about missing firmware there, and if so,
> track down and install whichever packages contain those firmware blobs.
> It's pretty likely that he'll want firmware-misc-nonfree for example.
>
> > followed by login manager restart or reboot.
>
> He got his Xorg.0.log from $HOME instead of /var/log, which means he is
> running startx, not using a display manager.
>
> I'm not sure whether you need to reboot after installing new firmware.
>
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| From | Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> |
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| Date | 2017-05-24 23:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <tKLxU-7aj-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #181343 |
On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 03:43:43PM -0500, Anil Duggirala wrote: > I have one more question, doing apt-get upgrade mentions > linux-image-amd64 is being "held back" I am currently on 4.9.0-2, could > this be related? You'll need to do an "apt-get dist-upgrade" to bring in the 4.9.0-3-amd64 kernel package, but I don't expect that will have any effect on your current problem.
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| From | Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2017-05-24 23:30 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. |
| Message-ID | <tKM0W-7Bg-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #181344 |
Greg Wooledge composed on 2017-05-24 16:54 (UTC-0400): > You'll need to do an "apt-get dist-upgrade" to bring in the 4.9.0-3-amd64 > kernel package, but I don't expect that will have any effect on your > current problem. Certainly possible. His kernel was compiled 30 March. -3 was compiled 3 May. I just installed it, but /requirement/ of "apt-get dist-upgrade" is technically incorrect. I just did it this way just minutes ago: apt dist-upgrade :-) Anil's log from about 3+ hours ago shows he's using the modeset(0) Xorg driver still. He still hasn't reported which video player(s) cause his trouble. Installation of IceWM takes less than 8MB of disk space. Using it startx /usr/bin/icewm to run his player(s) should tell whether the playback performance problem is in Gnome or elsewhere. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
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| From | Anil Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> |
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| Date | 2017-05-25 00:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <tKMtX-7Lj-15@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #181347 |
I am running the default Gnome player, Totem. I will install icewm when I am on a better connection, with dependencies, goes up to 48 MB. The following NEW packages will be installed: esound-common gconf-service gconf2 gconf2-common gnome-mime-data icewm icewm-common libaudiofile1 libbonobo2-0 libbonobo2-common libbonoboui2-0 libbonoboui2-common libesd0 libgconf-2-4 libglade2-0 libgnome-2-0 libgnome2-common libgnomecanvas2-0 libgnomecanvas2-common libgnomeui-0 libgnomeui-common libgnomevfs2-0 libgnomevfs2-common libgnomevfs2-extra libjpeg-turbo-progs liborbit-2-0 libturbojpeg0 menu xscreensaver xscreensaver-data 0 upgraded, 30 newly installed, 0 to remove and 8 not upgraded. Need to get 11.1 MB of archives. After this operation, 48.5 MB of additional disk space will be used. thanks Felix, On Wed, May 24, 2017, at 04:24 PM, Felix Miata wrote: > Greg Wooledge composed on 2017-05-24 16:54 (UTC-0400): > > > You'll need to do an "apt-get dist-upgrade" to bring in the 4.9.0-3-amd64 > > kernel package, but I don't expect that will have any effect on your > > current problem. > > Certainly possible. His kernel was compiled 30 March. -3 was compiled 3 > May. I > just installed it, but /requirement/ of "apt-get dist-upgrade" is > technically > incorrect. I just did it this way just minutes ago: > > apt dist-upgrade > > :-) > > Anil's log from about 3+ hours ago shows he's using the modeset(0) Xorg > driver > still. > > He still hasn't reported which video player(s) cause his trouble. > > Installation of IceWM takes less than 8MB of disk space. Using it > > startx /usr/bin/icewm > > to run his player(s) should tell whether the playback performance problem > is in > Gnome or elsewhere. > -- > "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant > words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) > > Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! > > Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ >
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| From | Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-25 06:20 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. |
| Message-ID | <tKSpI-3gE-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #181318 |
On 05/24/2017 08:57 AM, Anil Duggirala wrote: > Oh, and also, I did not find /var/log/Xorg.0.log, Please don't top post. You don't see anyone else doing that do you?? Take a clue. Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html
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| From | Anil Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> |
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| Date | 2017-05-26 16:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <tLozg-73D-21@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #181364 |
On Wed, May 24, 2017, at 11:11 PM, Ric Moore wrote: > Please don't top post. You don't see anyone else doing that do you?? > Take a clue. Ric Sorry for top-posting, I have taken a clue now. I deactivated Animations in Gnome (Tweak Tool - Appearance), this appears to have helped, dragging windows around is not so laggy and video playback does not appear to be crashing, and is running more smoothly, however the video playback is not really smooth. >Anil's log from about 3+ hours ago shows he's using the modeset(0) Xorg driver >still. What does this mean?? Is there any other driver for me to try?? Please help me, do I really have the right driver and firmware for my graphics card already?? Looking at package linux-image-amd64 in Synaptic shows 2 versions 4.9+79 (now), 4.9+80 (testing), this upgrade has been suggested by the automatic update app in Gnome. What does (now) and (testing) mean in Synaptic there. I have left my sources.list as is after install, "stretch" is the keyword, will my pc stay on stretch once it is released or continue upgrading to "testing"?? thanks a lot,
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| From | Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-27 01:20 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. |
| Message-ID | <tLwGu-3I9-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #181412 |
On 05/26/2017 09:38 AM, Anil Duggirala wrote: > > On Wed, May 24, 2017, at 11:11 PM, Ric Moore wrote: >> Please don't top post. You don't see anyone else doing that do you?? >> Take a clue. Ric > > Sorry for top-posting, I have taken a clue now. > I deactivated Animations in Gnome (Tweak Tool - Appearance), this > appears to have helped, dragging windows around is not so laggy and > video playback does not appear to be crashing, and is running more > smoothly, however the video playback is not really smooth. > >> Anil's log from about 3+ hours ago shows he's using the modeset(0) Xorg driver >> still. > What does this mean?? Is there any other driver for me to try?? > > Please help me, do I really have the right driver and firmware for my > graphics card already?? Looking at package linux-image-amd64 in Synaptic > shows 2 versions 4.9+79 (now), 4.9+80 (testing), this upgrade has been > suggested by the automatic update app in Gnome. What does (now) and > (testing) mean in Synaptic there. I have left my sources.list as is > after install, "stretch" is the keyword, will my pc stay on stretch once > it is released or continue upgrading to "testing"?? > Now means that 4.9+79 is what is now installed on your system. 4.9+80 is available from the testing distribution, so that would mean that you have the testing distribution mentioned in your sources.list file in /etc/apt. This is not the problem, and given the totality of the situation, I would not upgrade to the newer kernel. This is probably safe, but it is possible that it could introduce additional issues. At least until you get the current problem resolved, IMHO (In My Humble Opinion) you should make the fewest changes possible to the system, changing only those things needed to move closer to a resolution to the current problem, which we are trying to figure out. I understand your frustration, be patient, the guys (and gals) here are good. It may take a little time to figure out exactly what needs to be done (troubleshooting by remote control is difficult at best), but it will get figured out. The situation is really over my head at this point, however, someone mentioned checking if the package xserver-xorg-video-intel was installed on your system. This package should be installed if it is not. Thanks for your patience. I rarely have a real problem with my Debian distributions, but have always found good help here. :) > thanks a lot, > -- 73's, WB5VQX -- The Very Quick X-ray
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| From | Anil Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> |
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| Date | 2017-05-27 01:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <tLx9v-3Rn-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #181450 |
On Fri, May 26, 2017, at 06:18 PM, Michael Milliman wrote: > Now means that 4.9+79 is what is now installed on your system. 4.9+80 > is available from the testing distribution, so that would mean that you > have the testing distribution mentioned in your sources.list file in > /etc/apt. I had just figured that out. In my sources.list I have deb entries with "stretch", not "testing", when Stretch is released as stable, will I remain in Stretch and not continue getting the Testing packages ?(that is what I want) > This is not the problem, and given the totality of the > situation, I would not upgrade to the newer kernel. Too late. Since it was being proposed I did make the upgrade, I cant say for sure but no changes appear to have happened, maybe its taking longer for the initial load of the graphical interface in general (login and desktop), but cant be sure. I appreciate your help and support, I really want Debian to work for me, I bought an Asus laptop because I thought they had better support in linux, they ship some of their PCs with linux (actually their EEEpc originally ONLY shipped with a modification of Debian) As another symptom I have now is for example, scrolling down or up on a simple Libreoffice (docx) document is not smooth, it appears to be a purely graphical issue, not something beyond that in terms of processing, but I can be sure. I have tried installing Mate, really I dont see a lot of difference at all with regard to any of my issues, actually I have a problem in Mate, it will not load the desktop background image and it is stuck in black. thanks again,
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| From | Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-27 02:00 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. |
| Message-ID | <tLxjb-3WG-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #181451 |
On 05/26/2017 06:40 PM, Anil Duggirala wrote: > On Fri, May 26, 2017, at 06:18 PM, Michael Milliman wrote: > >> Now means that 4.9+79 is what is now installed on your system. 4.9+80 >> is available from the testing distribution, so that would mean that you >> have the testing distribution mentioned in your sources.list file in >> /etc/apt. > > I had just figured that out. In my sources.list I have deb entries with > "stretch", not "testing", when Stretch is released as stable, will I > remain in Stretch and not continue getting the Testing packages ?(that > is what I want) > >> This is not the problem, and given the totality of the >> situation, I would not upgrade to the newer kernel. > > Too late. Since it was being proposed I did make the upgrade, I cant say > for sure but no changes appear to have happened, maybe its taking longer > for the initial load of the graphical interface in general (login and > desktop), but cant be sure. > > I appreciate your help and support, I really want Debian to work for me, > I bought an Asus laptop because I thought they had better support in > linux, they ship some of their PCs with linux (actually their EEEpc > originally ONLY shipped with a modification of Debian) > > As another symptom I have now is for example, scrolling down or up on a > simple Libreoffice (docx) document is not smooth, it appears to be a > purely graphical issue, not something beyond that in terms of > processing, but I can be sure. > > I have tried installing Mate, really I dont see a lot of difference at > all with regard to any of my issues, actually I have a problem in Mate, > it will not load the desktop background image and it is stuck in black. > For completeness, the bug that I mentioned in my last post is Bug#862355. > thanks again, > > -- 73's, WB5VQX -- The Very Quick X-ray
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| From | Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-27 02:00 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. |
| Message-ID | <tLxjb-3WG-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #181451 |
On 05/26/2017 06:53 PM, Anil Duggirala wrote: > As more examples of the symptoms, in Firefox, scrolling through my > email's Inbox list, is a little sluggish, however, scrolling through a > site that has images and other things (rt.com), I can scroll up and down > more smoothly. > In the Applications Dropdown from the top bar in Gnome Classic, it > sometimes is hard to select an item, I have to move the mouse around a > little bit for it to actually "stand on" (highlight) an item, the whole > menu is a little bit sluggish too. This is also a common problem. It sounds like you see it a little more than most, but I too have occasional sluggishness on the menu, and have seen that for quite some time. I haven't done anything about it, as for me it is an occasional minor annoyance rather than something I classify as a real problem. I just figure that it is a result of my older equipment, as it occurs more frequently when I have the system loaded down pretty good. > thanks > -- 73's, WB5VQX -- The Very Quick X-ray
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| From | Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-27 02:00 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Oh no something has gone wrong! after reinstalling Debian and Gnome. |
| Message-ID | <tLxjc-3WG-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #181451 |
On 05/26/2017 06:40 PM, Anil Duggirala wrote: > On Fri, May 26, 2017, at 06:18 PM, Michael Milliman wrote: > >> Now means that 4.9+79 is what is now installed on your system. 4.9+80 >> is available from the testing distribution, so that would mean that you >> have the testing distribution mentioned in your sources.list file in >> /etc/apt. > > I had just figured that out. In my sources.list I have deb entries with > "stretch", not "testing", when Stretch is released as stable, will I > remain in Stretch and not continue getting the Testing packages ?(that > is what I want) > Stretch and testing are the same thing, right now. However, you are correct, when Stretch becomes the stable release, with stretch in your sources.list file, you will remain on Stretch. This sounds like what you want, so all is good. >> This is not the problem, and given the totality of the >> situation, I would not upgrade to the newer kernel. > > Too late. Since it was being proposed I did make the upgrade, I cant say > for sure but no changes appear to have happened, maybe its taking longer > for the initial load of the graphical interface in general (login and > desktop), but cant be sure. > OK, Well, the change from 4.9+79 to 4.9+80 shouldn't cause any additional concerns. I, being a technical troubleshooting kind of person (I do a lot of electronic troubleshooting), tend toward making the fewest possible changes when I'm debugging something so as not to cause any additional problems which might confuse the issue. > I appreciate your help and support, I really want Debian to work for me, > I bought an Asus laptop because I thought they had better support in > linux, they ship some of their PCs with linux (actually their EEEpc > originally ONLY shipped with a modification of Debian) > > As another symptom I have now is for example, scrolling down or up on a > simple Libreoffice (docx) document is not smooth, it appears to be a > purely graphical issue, not something beyond that in terms of > processing, but I can be sure. > > I have tried installing Mate, really I dont see a lot of difference at > all with regard to any of my issues, actually I have a problem in Mate, > it will not load the desktop background image and it is stuck in black. > Yes, I have the same problem (see the thread Desktop Background Bites The Dust). This is a known problem with the Stretch distribution. There is an upstream fix (upstream being the people who actually develop the mate desktop, as opposed to the people that maintain the Debian repositories and that package within Debian). The upstream fix is to install caja version 1.16.3. This version of caja hasn't made its way into the Debian repositories yet (1.16.2 is currently available). There is a bug already filed against this problem, and I'm sure the Debian maintainers will take the appropriate steps to fix the problem. Please see the aforementioned thread, as there is a workaround using the feh package (which has resulted in some interesting controversy in that thread). I am currently using feh to fix the problem, but plan to ditch that package as soon as the problem is resolved. > thanks again, > > -- 73's, WB5VQX -- The Very Quick X-ray
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| From | Anil Duggirala <anilduggirala@fastmail.fm> |
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| Date | 2017-05-27 02:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <tLxjb-3WG-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #181451 |
As more examples of the symptoms, in Firefox, scrolling through my email's Inbox list, is a little sluggish, however, scrolling through a site that has images and other things (rt.com), I can scroll up and down more smoothly. In the Applications Dropdown from the top bar in Gnome Classic, it sometimes is hard to select an item, I have to move the mouse around a little bit for it to actually "stand on" (highlight) an item, the whole menu is a little bit sluggish too. thanks
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| From | Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2017-05-27 02:00 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Poor X performance with Intel 8086:22b1 (Braswell) (was: Oh no something has gone wrong! after...) |
| Message-ID | <tLxjc-3WG-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #181450 |
Michael Milliman composed on 2017-05-26 18:18 (UTC-0500): > ...someone mentioned checking if the package > xserver-xorg-video-intel was installed on your system. This package > should be installed if it is not. He already reported in https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/05/msg00785.html that it is installed dpkg -l | grep intel:... ii xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.99.917+git20161206-1 However, in https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/05/msg00767.html he provided a pastebin (now expired) of Xorg.0.log that reported the modeset(0) driver in use. https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/05/msg00781.html explained how he could try configuring use of the Intel driver. Subsequently OP reported Gnome to be working, but also that unsatisfactory AV playback in Totem remains, even in Mate, plus he sees poor scrolling behavior in LibreOffice. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
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| From | Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-27 02:10 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Poor X performance with Intel 8086:22b1 (Braswell) |
| Message-ID | <tLxsR-4eT-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #181456 |
On 05/26/2017 06:59 PM, Felix Miata wrote: > Michael Milliman composed on 2017-05-26 18:18 (UTC-0500): > >> ...someone mentioned checking if the package >> xserver-xorg-video-intel was installed on your system. This package >> should be installed if it is not. > > He already reported in > https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/05/msg00785.html > that it is installed > > dpkg -l | grep intel:... > ii xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.99.917+git20161206-1 > > However, in https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/05/msg00767.html he > provided a pastebin (now expired) of Xorg.0.log that reported the modeset(0) > driver in use. > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/05/msg00781.html explained how he > could try configuring use of the Intel driver. Subsequently OP reported Gnome to > be working, but also that unsatisfactory AV playback in Totem remains, even in > Mate, plus he sees poor scrolling behavior in LibreOffice. Thanks, Felix. I hadn't checked the posts in the pastebin. As I stated, the problem is a little over my head at this point, so I'm not sure what the modeset(0) driver being in use actually means, as the OP also indicated. At this point, he, and I for that matter, doesn't know even whether that is correct, and if not what the alternative is or how to configure for that alternative. He (the OP) also reports a problem with the mate desktop background. But this is a separate issue with mate desktop (which is a fork of the Gnome2 [now defunct] desktop), which currently has a bug reported. > -- 73's, WB5VQX -- The Very Quick X-ray
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| From | Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2017-05-27 02:40 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Poor X performance with Intel 8086:22b1 (Braswell) |
| Message-ID | <tLxVT-4of-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #181457 |
Michael Milliman composed on 2017-05-26 19:06 (UTC-0500): > I hadn't checked the posts in the pastebin. As I > stated, the problem is a little over my head at this point, so I'm not > sure what the modeset(0) driver being in use actually means, as the OP It means he's most likely using the default Stretch Xorg driver configuration for Intel gfx.... > also indicated. At this point, he, and I for that matter, doesn't know > even whether that is correct, and if not what the alternative is or how > to configure for that alternative. The short story is that for some Intel users the Intel driver works better, for other Intel users Xorg's integral modeset(0) driver works better, and for some Intel users, neither are satisfactory. Whether either driver is "correct" depends on the particular gfx hardware version. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-Debian-Abandon-Intel-DDX is the only default Intel driver change announcement I can recall seeing. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
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