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Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions

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First post2017-05-14 14:00 +0200
Last post2017-05-20 13:10 +0200
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  Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions rhkramer@gmail.com - 2017-05-14 14:00 +0200
    Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2017-05-14 16:30 +0200
      Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2017-05-14 23:30 +0200
    Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2017-05-14 17:20 +0200
    Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2017-05-14 23:50 +0200
    Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions Kent West <westk@acu.edu> - 2017-05-15 07:20 +0200
    Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions RavenLX <ravenlx@sitesplace.net> - 2017-05-17 15:10 +0200
      Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions rhkramer@gmail.com - 2017-05-17 16:30 +0200
      Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions craigswin <craigswin2016@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 18:50 +0200
        Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions RavenLX <ravenlx@sitesplace.net> - 2017-05-17 19:10 +0200
          Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions Mark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com> - 2017-05-18 15:40 +0200
            Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions rhkramer@gmail.com - 2017-05-18 18:50 +0200
            Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2017-05-18 23:20 +0200
              Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions Mark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com> - 2017-05-20 07:20 +0200
                Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2017-05-20 13:00 +0200
                  Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2017-05-20 15:20 +0200
                Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2017-05-20 15:20 +0200
            Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions RavenLX <ravenlx@sitesplace.net> - 2017-05-21 14:50 +0200
              Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2017-05-21 18:20 +0200
                Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2017-05-21 19:10 +0200
                  Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2017-05-21 22:30 +0200
                    Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2017-05-21 23:20 +0200
        Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2017-05-18 23:10 +0200
          Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions Mark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com> - 2017-05-20 07:20 +0200
            Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2017-05-20 13:10 +0200

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#181207

FromSven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de>
Date2017-05-21 22:30 +0200
Message-ID<tJFEe-46j-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#181201
Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote:

>>> However, the virtual hard disk is a pretty large size. My method
>>> compresses it further so that the size of the backup is much
>>> smaller.

>> Have a look at "borg". It is ideal to backup VMs (or anything using
>> large files with only marginal changes inside) and I have been using
>> it for my Virtualbox VMs for a very long time.

> You might also like `bup` which does the same kind of deduplication,
> so can also be used on large files that change only in small parts.

Problem with bup (until recently) is that the nature of its git-based
approach prohibits you from ever removing anything from the backup.

"Unti recently" because there now is a way to do data retention, but:
"bup only has experimental support for pruning old backups."

While bup is a nice program, borg is far more mature at this point.

S°

-- 
Sigmentation fault. Core dumped.

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#181209

FromStefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Date2017-05-21 23:20 +0200
Message-ID<tJGqC-4Dz-21@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#181207
> "Unti recently" because there now is a way to do data retention, but:
> "bup only has experimental support for pruning old backups."

Indeed, it's a relatively new feature, but it's been working fine in
my tests.


        Stefan

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#181106

Fromdeloptes <deloptes@gmail.com>
Date2017-05-18 23:10 +0200
Message-ID<tIAQh-r6-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#181068
craigswin wrote:

> Can you expand on that?  New to VMs, considering them as an alternative
> to dualboot, with Stretch as host and Win7 as a guest to run Vectorworks.

VMs come with a penalty in performance and functionality, but assuming
Vectorworks runs on the pure windows machine it may run in VM, it could be
though that it is missing some features ... you better check this first -
for example if there are people using this product in VM and what kind of
hardware they use, what kind of VM they use etc.

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#181130

FromMark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com>
Date2017-05-20 07:20 +0200
Message-ID<tJ4Y1-50K-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#181106
On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 11:03:56PM +0200, deloptes wrote:
> craigswin wrote:
> 
> > Can you expand on that?  New to VMs, considering them as an alternative
> > to dualboot, with Stretch as host and Win7 as a guest to run Vectorworks.
> 
> VMs come with a penalty in performance and functionality
> 

But we are talking about running Windows on the guest, so performance 
and functionality penalties are a given anyway... :)

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#181137

Fromdeloptes <deloptes@gmail.com>
Date2017-05-20 13:10 +0200
Message-ID<tJaqK-BK-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#181130
Mark Fletcher wrote:

> On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 11:03:56PM +0200, deloptes wrote:
>> craigswin wrote:
>> 
>> > Can you expand on that?  New to VMs, considering them as an alternative
>> > to dualboot, with Stretch as host and Win7 as a guest to run
>> > Vectorworks.
>> 
>> VMs come with a penalty in performance and functionality
>> 
> 
> But we are talking about running Windows on the guest, so performance
> and functionality penalties are a given anyway... :)

What I mean is that for some application one needs a dedicated hardware. I
don't know if Vectorworks is one such app (but 3d rendering ... might be an
issue IMO). Not everything works in VM especially such that interact with
the systems hardware or with external hardware.

regards

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