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Desktop Background Bites the Dust

Started byMichael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com>
First post2017-05-19 07:00 +0200
Last post2017-06-11 03:10 +0200
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  Desktop Background Bites the Dust Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> - 2017-05-19 07:00 +0200
    Re: Desktop Background Bites the Dust Cindy-Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2017-05-19 07:30 +0200
      Re: Desktop Background Bites the Dust Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2017-05-19 12:00 +0200
      Re: Desktop Background Bites the Dust Mike Kupfer <mkupfer@alum.berkeley.edu> - 2017-05-20 20:50 +0200
        Re: Desktop Background Bites the Dust Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> - 2017-05-21 01:30 +0200
    Re: Desktop Background Bites the Dust David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2017-05-20 04:20 +0200
      Re: Desktop Background Bites the Dust Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2017-05-20 07:10 +0200
        Re: Desktop Background Bites the Dust RavenLX <ravenlx@sitesplace.net> - 2017-05-21 15:00 +0200
          Re: Desktop Background Bites the Dust Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com> - 2017-05-21 18:10 +0200
          Re: Desktop Background Bites the Dust David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2017-05-21 23:40 +0200
            Re: Desktop Background Bites the Dust <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-05-22 10:00 +0200
              Re: Desktop Background Bites the Dust Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> - 2017-05-22 22:30 +0200
              Re: Desktop Background Bites the Dust David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-05-23 01:50 +0200
            Re: Desktop Background Bites the Dust RavenLX <ravenlx@sitesplace.net> - 2017-05-25 13:40 +0200
              Re: Desktop Background Bites the Dust Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> - 2017-05-27 01:10 +0200
      Re: Desktop Background Bites the Dust Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> - 2017-05-21 01:30 +0200
    Re: Desktop Background Bites the Dust Mike Kupfer <mkupfer@alum.berkeley.edu> - 2017-05-20 21:00 +0200
      Re: Desktop Background Bites the Dust Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> - 2017-05-21 01:40 +0200
        Re: Desktop Background Bites the Dust Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> - 2017-05-21 04:40 +0200
          Re: Desktop Background Bites the Dust Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> - 2017-05-21 18:00 +0200
          Clairification - was [Re: Desktop Background Bites the Dust] Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-05-24 19:30 +0200
            Re: Clairification - was [Re: Desktop Background Bites the Dust] Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> - 2017-05-25 00:30 +0200
              Re: Clairification - was [Re: Desktop Background Bites the Dust] David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-05-25 02:00 +0200
                Re: Clairification - was [Re: Desktop Background Bites the Dust] Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> - 2017-05-25 02:30 +0200
                Re: Clairification - was [Re: Desktop Background Bites the Dust] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-05-25 13:20 +0200
                  Re: Clairification - was [Re: Desktop Background Bites the Dust] David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-05-25 17:40 +0200
                    Re: Clairification - was [Re: Desktop Background Bites the Dust] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-05-25 20:30 +0200
            Re: Clairification - was [Re: Desktop Background Bites the Dust] Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-05-25 13:00 +0200
              Re: Clairification - was [Re: Desktop Background Bites the Dust] Dejan Jocic <jodejka@gmail.com> - 2017-05-25 13:10 +0200
                Re: Clairification - was [Re: Desktop Background Bites the Dust] Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-05-25 13:30 +0200
                Re: Clairification - was [Re: Desktop Background Bites the Dust] Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> - 2017-05-27 01:10 +0200
              Re: Clairification - was [Re: Desktop Background Bites the Dust] Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2017-05-26 16:50 +0200
                Re: Clairification - was [Re: Desktop Background Bites the Dust] Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-05-26 17:20 +0200
                Re: Clairification - was [Re: Desktop Background Bites the Dust] Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> - 2017-05-27 01:10 +0200
              Re: Clairification - was [Re: Desktop Background Bites the Dust] Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> - 2017-05-27 01:00 +0200
                Re: Clairification - was [Re: Desktop Background Bites the Dust] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-05-27 13:40 +0200
                  Re: Clairification - was [Re: Desktop Background Bites the Dust] David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-05-27 17:00 +0200
                    Re: Clairification - was [Re: Desktop Background Bites the Dust] Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2017-05-27 17:20 +0200
                    Re: Clairification - was [Re: Desktop Background Bites the Dust] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-05-27 20:20 +0200
                      Re: Clairification - was [Re: Desktop Background Bites the Dust] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-05-29 20:20 +0200
                        Re: Clairification - was [Re: Desktop Background Bites the Dust] Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> - 2017-05-30 06:00 +0200
                          Re: Clairification - was [Re: Desktop Background Bites the Dust] Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-05-30 11:20 +0200
                            Re: Clairification - was [Re: Desktop Background Bites the Dust] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-05-30 11:40 +0200
                          Re: Clairification - was [Re: Desktop Background Bites the Dust] Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2017-05-30 14:30 +0200
                            Re: Clairification - was [Re: Desktop Background Bites the Dust] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-05-30 15:10 +0200
    SOLVED? - was [Re: Desktop Background Bites the Dust] Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-06-10 23:00 +0200
      Re: SOLVED - was [Re: Desktop Background Bites the Dust] Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> - 2017-06-11 02:40 +0200
      Re: SOLVED? - was [Re: Desktop Background Bites the Dust] songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2017-06-11 03:10 +0200
        Re: SOLVED? - was [Re: Desktop Background Bites the Dust] Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> - 2017-06-11 03:10 +0200

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#181114 — Desktop Background Bites the Dust

FromMichael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com>
Date2017-05-19 07:00 +0200
SubjectDesktop Background Bites the Dust
Message-ID<tIIb8-5kI-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
I have no clue what happened, but the desktop background picture has
ceased to be displayed. I'm not even sure where to look to troubleshoot
the problem.  The salient information is: OS is fully updated Testing,
MATE desktop environment.  I have attempted to re-set the desktop
background via both system settings and via right-click->set desktop
background on the desktop to no effect.  Thinking that probably the
issue was associated with my normal login (the only one on the system),
I created a new user from root terminal and logged in with newly created
skeleton home folder; the problem persisted with the new user, so it is
a system-wide issue.  Past that, I have no clue.  Any ideas/help will be
greatly appreciated.  Thanks in advance.
-- 
73's,
WB5VQX -- The Very Quick X-ray

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#181115

FromCindy-Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com>
Date2017-05-19 07:30 +0200
Message-ID<tIIE9-5Lg-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#181114
On 5/19/17, Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have no clue what happened, but the desktop background picture has
> ceased to be displayed. I'm not even sure where to look to troubleshoot
> the problem.  The salient information is: OS is fully updated Testing,
> MATE desktop environment.  I have attempted to re-set the desktop
> background via both system settings and via right-click->set desktop
> background on the desktop to no effect.  Thinking that probably the
> issue was associated with my normal login (the only one on the system),
> I created a new user from root terminal and logged in with newly created
> skeleton home folder; the problem persisted with the new user, so it is
> a system-wide issue.  Past that, I have no clue.  Any ideas/help will be
> greatly appreciated.  Thanks in advance.


I'm in Stretch Testing using Xfce4. Mine got zapped a while back. I
hadn't stopped to nose around about it until just yesterday. This
might not work for your problem, but I found mine are now at
/usr/share/images/desktop-base/. It's possible system images have
always been there, but for this very second, that appeared to be the
only place my personal images would also work.

Mine used to be under my /home/[user]/Pictures (~/Pictures) directory.
If I try to change my images via either "Settings > Desktop" or right
click on the desktop, that directory and many others are now faded
out/washed out/blanked out in that way our systems do so that
something is not clickable.

There must be something more to it. Or not? Maybe there's a quick
toggle somewhere? Or not.

For a single user with control over their own computer, it's no big
deal to take that few extra seconds to throw something in that
directory using [root] privileges. For an office full of users who
might want to personalize their respective desktops with family photos
or ski trip memories, it becomes a royal pain.

As an almost afterthought, there's always the possibility that what's
happening in my case is about installing and removing various packages
over time. Or not, grin.

This was another of those that rated a priority level of "Annoying"
for me. It wasn't critical to the functioning of my computer, and I
figure that feature may have been redesigned by... conscious design.
:)

Cindy :)

-- 
Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA

* runs with duct tape *

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#181117

FromJimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com>
Date2017-05-19 12:00 +0200
Message-ID<tIMRs-nW-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#181115
On 05/18/2017 10:27 PM, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote:
> On 5/19/17, Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I have no clue what happened, but the desktop background picture has
>> ceased to be displayed. I'm not even sure where to look to troubleshoot
>> the problem.  The salient information is: OS is fully updated Testing,
>> MATE desktop environment.  I have attempted to re-set the desktop
>> background via both system settings and via right-click->set desktop
>> background on the desktop to no effect.  Thinking that probably the
>> issue was associated with my normal login (the only one on the system),
>> I created a new user from root terminal and logged in with newly created
>> skeleton home folder; the problem persisted with the new user, so it is
>> a system-wide issue.  Past that, I have no clue.  Any ideas/help will be
>> greatly appreciated.  Thanks in advance.

> I'm in Stretch Testing using Xfce4. Mine got zapped a while back. I
> hadn't stopped to nose around about it until just yesterday. This
> might not work for your problem, but I found mine are now at
> /usr/share/images/desktop-base/.

All the system wallpaper installed can be found in /usr/share/wallpaper. 
I use a photo viewer to browse that folder.
-- 
Jimmy Johnson

Debian Stretch - KDE Plasma 5.8.6 - Intel G3220 - EXT4 at sda14
Registered Linux User #380263

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#181155

FromMike Kupfer <mkupfer@alum.berkeley.edu>
Date2017-05-20 20:50 +0200
Message-ID<tJhBT-55Q-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#181115
Cindy-Sue Causey wrote:

> If I try to change my images via either "Settings > Desktop" or right
> click on the desktop, that directory and many others are now faded
> out/washed out/blanked out in that way our systems do so that
> something is not clickable.

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=849823

The report says it was fixed back in February.  I don't know what's
needed to get the fix to propagate to Testing.

mike

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#181159

FromMichael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com>
Date2017-05-21 01:30 +0200
Message-ID<tJlYR-82p-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#181155

On 05/20/2017 01:26 PM, Mike Kupfer wrote:
> Cindy-Sue Causey wrote:
> 
>> If I try to change my images via either "Settings > Desktop" or right
>> click on the desktop, that directory and many others are now faded
>> out/washed out/blanked out in that way our systems do so that
>> something is not clickable.
> 
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=849823
> 
This appears to be a different problem.  First, I'm using MATE desktop,
not XFCE, and secondly, I can select any folder/picture that I want, it
just has no effect.

> The report says it was fixed back in February.  I don't know what's
> needed to get the fix to propagate to Testing.
> 
> mike
> 

-- 
73's,
WB5VQX -- The Very Quick X-ray

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#181127

FromDavid Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com>
Date2017-05-20 04:20 +0200
Message-ID<tJ29Q-36l-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#181114
On 05/18/2017 09:52 PM, Michael Milliman wrote:
> I have no clue what happened, but the desktop background picture has
> ceased to be displayed. I'm not even sure where to look to troubleshoot
> the problem.  The salient information is: OS is fully updated Testing,
> MATE desktop environment.  I have attempted to re-set the desktop
> background via both system settings and via right-click->set desktop
> background on the desktop to no effect.  Thinking that probably the
> issue was associated with my normal login (the only one on the system),
> I created a new user from root terminal and logged in with newly created
> skeleton home folder; the problem persisted with the new user, so it is
> a system-wide issue.  Past that, I have no clue.  Any ideas/help will be
> greatly appreciated.  Thanks in advance.
>

I've been having problems with Xfce wallpaper on Debian 8.8 for a month 
or more.  It broke after an apt-get update/ apt-get upgrade.  I filed a 
bug report, received one reply, tried the suggestions to no avail, and 
replied.  I'm still waiting for a response:

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=860925


David

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#181128

FromJimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com>
Date2017-05-20 07:10 +0200
Message-ID<tJ4Ol-4Xi-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#181127
On 05/19/2017 07:19 PM, David Christensen wrote:
> On 05/18/2017 09:52 PM, Michael Milliman wrote:
>> I have no clue what happened, but the desktop background picture has
>> ceased to be displayed. I'm not even sure where to look to troubleshoot
>> the problem.  The salient information is: OS is fully updated Testing,
>> MATE desktop environment.  I have attempted to re-set the desktop
>> background via both system settings and via right-click->set desktop
>> background on the desktop to no effect.  Thinking that probably the
>> issue was associated with my normal login (the only one on the system),
>> I created a new user from root terminal and logged in with newly created
>> skeleton home folder; the problem persisted with the new user, so it is
>> a system-wide issue.  Past that, I have no clue.  Any ideas/help will be
>> greatly appreciated.  Thanks in advance.
>>
>
> I've been having problems with Xfce wallpaper on Debian 8.8 for a month
> or more.  It broke after an apt-get update/ apt-get upgrade.  I filed a
> bug report, received one reply, tried the suggestions to no avail, and
> replied.  I'm still waiting for a response:
>
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=860925

David if it makes any difference, recently Debian installed a Debian 
Stretch Theme and the Next wallpaper or the wallpaper you where using 
could have been changed or I should say probably did get changed, I run 
testing and Sid so I'm used to many themes being wiped out and replaced, 
it's the way of testing and not something you would expect from a stable 
system which Stretch is not, yet.  As I told Cindy, you can find the 
installed wallpaper in /usr/share/wallpaper.
-- 
Jimmy Johnson

Debian Sid/Testing - KDE Plasma 5.8.6 - Intel E5300 - EXT4 at sda15
Registered Linux User #380263

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#181185

FromRavenLX <ravenlx@sitesplace.net>
Date2017-05-21 15:00 +0200
Message-ID<tJyCK-7To-15@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#181128
On 05/20/2017 01:00 AM, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
> On 05/19/2017 07:19 PM, David Christensen wrote:
>> I've been having problems with Xfce wallpaper on Debian 8.8 for a month
>> or more.  It broke after an apt-get update/ apt-get upgrade.  I filed a
>> bug report, received one reply, tried the suggestions to no avail, and
>> replied.  I'm still waiting for a response:
>>
>> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=860925
> 
> David if it makes any difference, recently Debian installed a Debian 
> Stretch Theme and the Next wallpaper or the wallpaper you where using 
> could have been changed or I should say probably did get changed, I run 
> testing and Sid so I'm used to many themes being wiped out and replaced, 
> it's the way of testing and not something you would expect from a stable 
> system which Stretch is not, yet.  As I told Cindy, you can find the 
> installed wallpaper in /usr/share/wallpaper.

I haven't noticed any new wallpapers (I too am running Debian 8.8 with 
XFCE and have my wallpaper set to one I like which I saved in 
~/Pictures/Wallpaper) I also had no problems with the wallpapers going 
away and also was able to change them in the settings. I do notice that 
they don't all *stay* listed in the settings (except the current one 
being used) if they are located somewhere other than the default 
wallpaper directory. But other than that, no problems here, so far.

I did update using apt-get dist-upgrade and not apt-get upgrade. Maybe 
that made a difference?

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#181198

FromFungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com>
Date2017-05-21 18:10 +0200
Message-ID<tJBAB-1zZ-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#181185

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Subject: Re: Desktop Background Bites the Dust
UTC Time: May 21, 2017 12:55 PM
From: ravenlx@sitesplace.net

I haven't noticed any new wallpapers (I too am running Debian 8.8 with
XFCE and have my wallpaper set to one I like which I saved in
~/Pictures/Wallpaper) I also had no problems with the wallpapers going
away and also was able to change them in the settings. I do notice that
they don't all *stay* listed in the settings (except the current one
being used) if they are located somewhere other than the default
wallpaper directory. But other than that, no problems here, so far.

I did update using apt-get dist-upgrade and not apt-get upgrade. Maybe
that made a difference?

I had something similar happened once when I had moved the ../share/ folder into another partition and it was not mounted at the time it vanished. After the mount you either relog or attempt to change it and it is there.
But since the picture is still in the same folder and exists and you point to it and it will not display, then FEH does not have access rights to it, which is why the share folder with default accesses is best for things not needing security. I like to keep sensitibe information secure and everything else out in the open.
So, tell us what the rights of the actual picture show. Maybe removing feh completely and then reinstalling it will reset its access rights or something has made the shared picture more private.
By the way, that linux-PAE I understand is for 32bit systems which can't handle "too much" ram. If you don't have one of those systems it is safe to throw away unnecessary junk. Kernle files and images are bulky things and will unnecessaraly accumulate and slow down your updates. Either you need it and dump the non-PAE images or dump all the -PAE stuff. In a year or so you may have 6 or 8 linux kernels as the older ones are by default kept in case you run into trouble with newer packages braking. Instead of 2-3 you have double what is necessary.
If you have not ever used LXDE but are using X I suggest you give the racy desktop a try. One of the reasons that is nearing the end of development is because it is so damn perfect. It is like an old bmw M3-E30 with no upholstery, single seat and roll bars. No heat, no AC no stereo.
X is an eternal bulky pain

(AK)

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#181210

FromDavid Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com>
Date2017-05-21 23:40 +0200
Message-ID<tJGJX-4JY-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#181185
On 05/21/2017 05:55 AM, RavenLX wrote:
> On 05/20/2017 01:00 AM, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
>> On 05/19/2017 07:19 PM, David Christensen wrote:
>>> I've been having problems with Xfce wallpaper on Debian 8.8 for a month
>>> or more.  It broke after an apt-get update/ apt-get upgrade.  I filed a
>>> bug report, received one reply, tried the suggestions to no avail, and
>>> replied.  I'm still waiting for a response:
>>>
>>> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=860925
>>
>> David if it makes any difference, recently Debian installed a Debian
>> Stretch Theme and the Next wallpaper or the wallpaper you where using
>> could have been changed or I should say probably did get changed, I
>> run testing and Sid so I'm used to many themes being wiped out and
>> replaced, it's the way of testing and not something you would expect
>> from a stable system which Stretch is not, yet.  As I told Cindy, you
>> can find the installed wallpaper in /usr/share/wallpaper.
>
> I haven't noticed any new wallpapers (I too am running Debian 8.8 with
> XFCE and have my wallpaper set to one I like which I saved in
> ~/Pictures/Wallpaper) I also had no problems with the wallpapers going
> away and also was able to change them in the settings. I do notice that
> they don't all *stay* listed in the settings (except the current one
> being used) if they are located somewhere other than the default
> wallpaper directory. But other than that, no problems here, so far.
>
> I did update using apt-get dist-upgrade and not apt-get upgrade. Maybe
> that made a difference?

As I understand it:

*   'apt-get upgrade' is for rolling forward to a new minor revision -- 
e.g. Debian 8.7 to Debian 8.8 -- and/or new packages -- e.g. icedove 
1:45.6.0-1~deb8u1 to thunderbird 1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1).

*   'apt-get dist-upgrade' is for rolling forward to a new major 
revision -- e.g. Debian 7 to Debian 8.


I do the former regularly -- once or more per week.


I avoid the latter, as it's caused me grief in the past (when I want to 
do a major version upgrade, I backup, move the system disk aside, do a 
fresh install, and restore).


My issue is likely tied to some software corner case due the the 
hardware -- e.g. 32-bit laptop with an off-spec 64-bit processor jammed in.


David

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#181229

From<tomas@tuxteam.de>
Date2017-05-22 10:00 +0200
Message-ID<tJQpY-2Fw-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#181210
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On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 02:40:47PM -0700, David Christensen wrote:

[...]

> As I understand it:
> 
> *   'apt-get upgrade' is for rolling forward to a new minor revision
> -- e.g. Debian 8.7 to Debian 8.8 -- and/or new packages -- e.g.
> icedove 1:45.6.0-1~deb8u1 to thunderbird 1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1).
> 
> *   'apt-get dist-upgrade' is for rolling forward to a new major
> revision -- e.g. Debian 7 to Debian 8.

It's not *that* drastic. Rolling forward usually implies doing
something to your sources.list (unless you state there something
like "stable" or "testing", which change their meaning when a
release is made).

As far as I understood it (corrections welcome!):

Upgrade just upgrades packages to newer versions, as far as possible.
It *never* removes packages, even if that means that it can't advance
a package's version to the newest. Dist-upgrade would remove (replace)
packages when necessary.

E.g. if you have some appfoo depending on libblurb, and there's a
newer version of apfoo depending on libblah, which conflicts with
libblurb, upgrade would be stuck at the older version, whereas
dist-upgrade would (other dependencies allowing it) replace libblurb
with libblah, thus clearing the path for apfoo's new version.

cheers
- -- t
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#181258

FromMichael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com>
Date2017-05-22 22:30 +0200
Message-ID<tK27M-1Q5-15@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#181229

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On 05/22/2017 02:55 AM, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 02:40:47PM -0700, David Christensen wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
>> As I understand it:
> 
>> *   'apt-get upgrade' is for rolling forward to a new minor revision
>> -- e.g. Debian 8.7 to Debian 8.8 -- and/or new packages -- e.g.
>> icedove 1:45.6.0-1~deb8u1 to thunderbird 1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1).
> 
>> *   'apt-get dist-upgrade' is for rolling forward to a new major
>> revision -- e.g. Debian 7 to Debian 8.
> 
> It's not *that* drastic. Rolling forward usually implies doing
> something to your sources.list (unless you state there something
> like "stable" or "testing", which change their meaning when a
> release is made).
> 
> As far as I understood it (corrections welcome!):
> 
> Upgrade just upgrades packages to newer versions, as far as possible.
> It *never* removes packages, even if that means that it can't advance
> a package's version to the newest. Dist-upgrade would remove (replace)
> packages when necessary.
> 
> E.g. if you have some appfoo depending on libblurb, and there's a
> newer version of apfoo depending on libblah, which conflicts with
> libblurb, upgrade would be stuck at the older version, whereas
> dist-upgrade would (other dependencies allowing it) replace libblurb
> with libblah, thus clearing the path for apfoo's new version.
> 
I think you are correct on the way upgrade vs. dist-upgrade works.  I
wasn't sure myself, but your explanation brought it into focus and made
some stuff I've read before make sense.  Thanks :)
> cheers
> -- t
> 

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#181268

FromDavid Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk>
Date2017-05-23 01:50 +0200
Message-ID<tK5fj-3JA-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#181229
On Mon 22 May 2017 at 09:55:42 (+0200), tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 02:40:47PM -0700, David Christensen wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> > As I understand it:
> > 
> > *   'apt-get upgrade' is for rolling forward to a new minor revision
> > -- e.g. Debian 8.7 to Debian 8.8 -- and/or new packages -- e.g.
> > icedove 1:45.6.0-1~deb8u1 to thunderbird 1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1).
> > 
> > *   'apt-get dist-upgrade' is for rolling forward to a new major
> > revision -- e.g. Debian 7 to Debian 8.
> 
> It's not *that* drastic. Rolling forward usually implies doing
> something to your sources.list (unless you state there something
> like "stable" or "testing", which change their meaning when a
> release is made).
> 
> As far as I understood it (corrections welcome!):
> 
> Upgrade just upgrades packages to newer versions, as far as possible.
> It *never* removes packages, even if that means that it can't advance
> a package's version to the newest. Dist-upgrade would remove (replace)
> packages when necessary.

Nor will upgrade add a new, now necessary, package.

Cheers,
David.

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#181371

FromRavenLX <ravenlx@sitesplace.net>
Date2017-05-25 13:40 +0200
Message-ID<tKZhw-7An-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#181210
On 05/21/2017 05:40 PM, David Christensen wrote:
> As I understand it:
> 
> *   'apt-get upgrade' is for rolling forward to a new minor revision -- 
> e.g. Debian 8.7 to Debian 8.8 -- and/or new packages -- e.g. icedove 
> 1:45.6.0-1~deb8u1 to thunderbird 1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1).
> 
> *   'apt-get dist-upgrade' is for rolling forward to a new major 
> revision -- e.g. Debian 7 to Debian 8.
> 
> 
> I do the former regularly -- once or more per week.
> 
> 
> I avoid the latter, as it's caused me grief in the past (when I want to 
> do a major version upgrade, I backup, move the system disk aside, do a 
> fresh install, and restore).
> 
> 
> My issue is likely tied to some software corner case due the the 
> hardware -- e.g. 32-bit laptop with an off-spec 64-bit processor jammed in.

I've always used dist-upgrade for years without any problems. It's an 
old habit by now. If I don't, I learned there are some packages I *do* 
want to upgrade that get held back (ie. not upgraded) if I don't do 
dist-upgrade, such as new kernels (which I like to keep the kernel the 
newest out there). I haven't yet had any real major issues (even minor 
issues I've always found a work-around and 99% of the time it was just 
something I myself needed to configure, and not really a bug). I run 
stable so maybe that is why I have such good luck. On test VMs I do 
dist-upgrade basically because I know I can always start over if things 
go wrong. And Virtual Machines are the test systems anyway.

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#181447

FromMichael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com>
Date2017-05-27 01:10 +0200
Message-ID<tLwwN-3EQ-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#181371

On 05/25/2017 06:27 AM, RavenLX wrote:
> On 05/21/2017 05:40 PM, David Christensen wrote:
>> As I understand it:
>>
>> *   'apt-get upgrade' is for rolling forward to a new minor revision
>> -- e.g. Debian 8.7 to Debian 8.8 -- and/or new packages -- e.g.
>> icedove 1:45.6.0-1~deb8u1 to thunderbird 1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1).
>>
>> *   'apt-get dist-upgrade' is for rolling forward to a new major
>> revision -- e.g. Debian 7 to Debian 8.
>>
>>
>> I do the former regularly -- once or more per week.
>>
>>
>> I avoid the latter, as it's caused me grief in the past (when I want
>> to do a major version upgrade, I backup, move the system disk aside,
>> do a fresh install, and restore).
>>
>>
>> My issue is likely tied to some software corner case due the the
>> hardware -- e.g. 32-bit laptop with an off-spec 64-bit processor
>> jammed in.
> 
> I've always used dist-upgrade for years without any problems. It's an
> old habit by now. If I don't, I learned there are some packages I *do*
> want to upgrade that get held back (ie. not upgraded) if I don't do
> dist-upgrade, such as new kernels (which I like to keep the kernel the
> newest out there). I haven't yet had any real major issues (even minor
> issues I've always found a work-around and 99% of the time it was just
> something I myself needed to configure, and not really a bug). I run
> stable so maybe that is why I have such good luck. On test VMs I do
> dist-upgrade basically because I know I can always start over if things
> go wrong. And Virtual Machines are the test systems anyway.
> 
Yeah, I like the VMs for testing as well.  Unfortunately, I'm poor :)
and my equipment is pretty slow, so VM performance is pretty poor too :)
Right now I'm running Stretch, and 99% of the time, I have no problems,
but every once in a while....
> 

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#181160

FromMichael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com>
Date2017-05-21 01:30 +0200
Message-ID<tJlYR-82p-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#181127

On 05/19/2017 09:19 PM, David Christensen wrote:
> On 05/18/2017 09:52 PM, Michael Milliman wrote:
>> I have no clue what happened, but the desktop background picture has
>> ceased to be displayed. I'm not even sure where to look to troubleshoot
>> the problem.  The salient information is: OS is fully updated Testing,
>> MATE desktop environment.  I have attempted to re-set the desktop
>> background via both system settings and via right-click->set desktop
>> background on the desktop to no effect.  Thinking that probably the
>> issue was associated with my normal login (the only one on the system),
>> I created a new user from root terminal and logged in with newly created
>> skeleton home folder; the problem persisted with the new user, so it is
>> a system-wide issue.  Past that, I have no clue.  Any ideas/help will be
>> greatly appreciated.  Thanks in advance.
>>
> 
> I've been having problems with Xfce wallpaper on Debian 8.8 for a month
> or more.  It broke after an apt-get update/ apt-get upgrade.  I filed a
> bug report, received one reply, tried the suggestions to no avail, and
> replied.  I'm still waiting for a response:
> 
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=860925
> 
This also appears to be a different problem, as I can (as far as all
software indications) change the picture and its geometry, but have
nothing actually displayed on the screen.  My desktop is black with the
various icons displayed on top of it regardless of my selections of
picture and/or geometry.  I have tried selecting the pictures that come
with the distribution as well as pictures in my personal folders, to no
avail; all I get is a black background.
> 
> David
> 

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#181156

FromMike Kupfer <mkupfer@alum.berkeley.edu>
Date2017-05-20 21:00 +0200
Message-ID<tJhLz-59g-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#181114
Michael Milliman wrote:

> I have no clue what happened, but the desktop background picture has
> ceased to be displayed.
[...]
> I have attempted to re-set the desktop
> background via both system settings and via right-click->set desktop
> background on the desktop to no effect.

I don't know what caused your old wallpaper to go away, but the
inability to set it is tracked by

  https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=862355

The bug report also lists a workaround (which I haven't tried).

mike

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#181161

FromMichael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com>
Date2017-05-21 01:40 +0200
Message-ID<tJm8x-85s-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#181156

On 05/20/2017 01:56 PM, Mike Kupfer wrote:
> Michael Milliman wrote:
> 
>> I have no clue what happened, but the desktop background picture has
>> ceased to be displayed.
> [...]
>> I have attempted to re-set the desktop
>> background via both system settings and via right-click->set desktop
>> background on the desktop to no effect.
> 
> I don't know what caused your old wallpaper to go away, but the
> inability to set it is tracked by
> 
>   https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=862355
> 
This appears to be the same problem.  I will be watching this bug report
with interest!!  It also seems to have been reported around the same
time my system went belly-up, so it is probably an update that was
installed.  Thanks for the info, at least I know it isn't something that
I botched up! :)

> The bug report also lists a workaround (which I haven't tried).
> 
> mike
> 

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#181165

FromMichael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com>
Date2017-05-21 04:40 +0200
Message-ID<tJoWJ-1wU-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#181161

On 05/20/2017 06:33 PM, Michael Milliman wrote:
> 
> 
> On 05/20/2017 01:56 PM, Mike Kupfer wrote:
>> Michael Milliman wrote:
>>
>>> I have no clue what happened, but the desktop background picture has
>>> ceased to be displayed.
>> [...]
>>> I have attempted to re-set the desktop
>>> background via both system settings and via right-click->set desktop
>>> background on the desktop to no effect.
>>
>> I don't know what caused your old wallpaper to go away, but the
>> inability to set it is tracked by
>>
>>   https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=862355
>>
> This appears to be the same problem.  I will be watching this bug report
> with interest!!  It also seems to have been reported around the same
> time my system went belly-up, so it is probably an update that was
> installed.  Thanks for the info, at least I know it isn't something that
> I botched up! :)
> 
>> The bug report also lists a workaround (which I haven't tried).
>>
The workaround is using the feh package to manually set the background
image.  This does work, however, it has to be done each time you log-in.
 It is better than nothing.  Upstream also appears to have a bug
reported on it, and they suggest installation of mate-desktop 16.2 with
caja 16.3, neither of which has made it to the Debian distribution as of
yet.

>> mike
>>
> 

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#181197

FromMichael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com>
Date2017-05-21 18:00 +0200
Message-ID<tJBqW-1gx-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#181165

On 05/20/2017 09:31 PM, Michael Milliman wrote:
> 
> 
> On 05/20/2017 06:33 PM, Michael Milliman wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 05/20/2017 01:56 PM, Mike Kupfer wrote:
>>> Michael Milliman wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have no clue what happened, but the desktop background picture has
>>>> ceased to be displayed.
>>> [...]
>>>> I have attempted to re-set the desktop
>>>> background via both system settings and via right-click->set desktop
>>>> background on the desktop to no effect.
>>>
>>> I don't know what caused your old wallpaper to go away, but the
>>> inability to set it is tracked by
>>>
>>>   https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=862355
>>>
>> This appears to be the same problem.  I will be watching this bug report
>> with interest!!  It also seems to have been reported around the same
>> time my system went belly-up, so it is probably an update that was
>> installed.  Thanks for the info, at least I know it isn't something that
>> I botched up! :)
>>
>>> The bug report also lists a workaround (which I haven't tried).
>>>
> The workaround is using the feh package to manually set the background
> image.  This does work, however, it has to be done each time you log-in.
>  It is better than nothing.  Upstream also appears to have a bug
> reported on it, and they suggest installation of mate-desktop 16.2 with
> caja 16.3, neither of which has made it to the Debian distribution as of
> yet.
Note that the version numbers above should have been mate-desktop 16.0.2
and caja 16.0.3.
> 
>>> mike
>>>
>>
> 

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