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  Strange clicking noise from my laptop hard drive Philip Ashmore <contact@philipashmore.com> - 2017-05-10 21:50 +0200
    Re: Strange clicking noise from my laptop hard drive Jhoanir Torres <jhoanir@gmail.com> - 2017-05-10 22:00 +0200
      Re: Strange clicking noise from my laptop hard drive Philip Ashmore <contact@philipashmore.com> - 2017-05-11 19:30 +0200
        Re: [trinity-users] Re: Strange clicking noise from my laptop hard  drive Philip Ashmore <contact@philipashmore.com> - 2017-05-19 15:40 +0200
          Re: [trinity-users] Re: Strange clicking noise from my laptop hard drive Jeremy Nicoll <jn.ml.dbn.25@letterboxes.org> - 2017-05-19 16:20 +0200
          Re: [trinity-users] Re: Strange clicking noise from my laptop hard  drive RavenLX <ravenlx@sitesplace.net> - 2017-05-21 15:00 +0200
    Re: Strange clicking noise from my laptop hard drive Bob Weber <bobrweber@gmail.com> - 2017-05-10 22:30 +0200
      Re: Strange clicking noise from my laptop hard drive Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2017-05-10 22:50 +0200

#180914 — Strange clicking noise from my laptop hard drive

Hi there.

I managed to record it using my laptops built-in microphone.

To those who would prefer a description:
It starts fast and slows down. I opened the file with Audacity and 
determined the intervals to be 0.1, 0.3, 0.6, 10, 15 seconds, then it 
repeats.

It sounds like some kind of protocol negotiation algorithm that requires 
a disk sync when the polling time doubles.

Here's a link for your listening pleasure:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/apdr1o056tam5ie/click.wav?dl=0

I'm hoping it's some cron job, or DropBox, Trinity Desktop, wifi, smart 
disk status monitoring, nVidia, Intel, ... not a virus trying to phone home.

I'm really hoping that someone reading this will go "oh that thing" and 
know what it is instantly.

Curiously it doesn't happen every day.

Regards,
Philip Ashmore

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#180915

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I think your disk is broken.



On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Philip Ashmore <contact@philipashmore.com>
wrote:

> Hi there.
>
> I managed to record it using my laptops built-in microphone.
>
> To those who would prefer a description:
> It starts fast and slows down. I opened the file with Audacity and
> determined the intervals to be 0.1, 0.3, 0.6, 10, 15 seconds, then it
> repeats.
>
> It sounds like some kind of protocol negotiation algorithm that requires a
> disk sync when the polling time doubles.
>
> Here's a link for your listening pleasure:
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/apdr1o056tam5ie/click.wav?dl=0
>
> I'm hoping it's some cron job, or DropBox, Trinity Desktop, wifi, smart
> disk status monitoring, nVidia, Intel, ... not a virus trying to phone home.
>
> I'm really hoping that someone reading this will go "oh that thing" and
> know what it is instantly.
>
> Curiously it doesn't happen every day.
>
> Regards,
> Philip Ashmore
>
>


-- 
Jhoanir Torres

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#180933

On 10/05/17 20:54, Jhoanir Torres wrote:
> I think your disk is broken.
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Philip Ashmore
> <contact@philipashmore.com <mailto:contact@philipashmore.com>> wrote:
>
>     Hi there.
>
>     I managed to record it using my laptops built-in microphone.
>
>     To those who would prefer a description:
>     It starts fast and slows down. I opened the file with Audacity and
>     determined the intervals to be 0.1, 0.3, 0.6, 10, 15 seconds, then
>     it repeats.
>
>     It sounds like some kind of protocol negotiation algorithm that
>     requires a disk sync when the polling time doubles.
>
>     Here's a link for your listening pleasure:
>     https://www.dropbox.com/s/apdr1o056tam5ie/click.wav?dl=0
>     <https://www.dropbox.com/s/apdr1o056tam5ie/click.wav?dl=0>
>
>     I'm hoping it's some cron job, or DropBox, Trinity Desktop, wifi,
>     smart disk status monitoring, nVidia, Intel, ... not a virus trying
>     to phone home.
>
>     I'm really hoping that someone reading this will go "oh that thing"
>     and know what it is instantly.
>
>     Curiously it doesn't happen every day.
>
>     Regards,
>     Philip Ashmore
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jhoanir Torres

I had suspended to ram and restored => clicking.
Fresh boot today => no clicking.
Also the intervals are 0.1, 0.3, 0.6, 1.0, 1.5 seconds.

And, yep, I've ordered another hard drive.

Philip Ashmore

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#181118 — Re: [trinity-users] Re: Strange clicking noise from my laptop hard drive

On 11/05/17 18:21, Philip Ashmore wrote:
> On 10/05/17 20:54, Jhoanir Torres wrote:
>> I think your disk is broken.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Philip Ashmore
>> <contact@philipashmore.com <mailto:contact@philipashmore.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     Hi there.
>>
>>     I managed to record it using my laptops built-in microphone.
>>
>>     To those who would prefer a description:
>>     It starts fast and slows down. I opened the file with Audacity and
>>     determined the intervals to be 0.1, 0.3, 0.6, 10, 15 seconds, then
>>     it repeats.
>>
>>     It sounds like some kind of protocol negotiation algorithm that
>>     requires a disk sync when the polling time doubles.
>>
>>     Here's a link for your listening pleasure:
>>     https://www.dropbox.com/s/apdr1o056tam5ie/click.wav?dl=0
>>     <https://www.dropbox.com/s/apdr1o056tam5ie/click.wav?dl=0>
>>
>>     I'm hoping it's some cron job, or DropBox, Trinity Desktop, wifi,
>>     smart disk status monitoring, nVidia, Intel, ... not a virus trying
>>     to phone home.
>>
>>     I'm really hoping that someone reading this will go "oh that thing"
>>     and know what it is instantly.
>>
>>     Curiously it doesn't happen every day.
>>
>>     Regards,
>>     Philip Ashmore
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jhoanir Torres
>
> I had suspended to ram and restored => clicking.
> Fresh boot today => no clicking.
> Also the intervals are 0.1, 0.3, 0.6, 1.0, 1.5 seconds.
>
> And, yep, I've ordered another hard drive.
>
> Philip Ashmore
>
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I got a new hard disk.
I still get the same clicking, but now it also sometimes happens before 
I type in the passphrase to unlock the luks encrypted lvm partition the 
OS sits on.
Maybe it's the hard disk controller.
I also took out the Broadcom wifi/bluetooth pci express card as it was 
acting up too.
Maybe it's time to retire this Samsung NP-RF711-S07UK.
Bought in 2012, that's four years more than the warranty.

Regards,
Philip Ashmore

Still using the Samsung, no clicks at the moment.

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#181119 — Re: [trinity-users] Re: Strange clicking noise from my laptop hard drive

On Fri, 19 May 2017, at 14:24, Philip Ashmore wrote:

> I got a new hard disk.
> I still get the same clicking

Could it be the laptop's fan? 

-- 
Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own.

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#181186 — Re: [trinity-users] Re: Strange clicking noise from my laptop hard drive

On 05/19/2017 09:24 AM, Philip Ashmore wrote:
> I got a new hard disk.
> I still get the same clicking, but now it also sometimes happens before 
> I type in the passphrase to unlock the luks encrypted lvm partition the 
> OS sits on.
> Maybe it's the hard disk controller.
> I also took out the Broadcom wifi/bluetooth pci express card as it was 
> acting up too.
> Maybe it's time to retire this Samsung NP-RF711-S07UK.
> Bought in 2012, that's four years more than the warranty.
> 
> Regards,
> Philip Ashmore
> 
> Still using the Samsung, no clicks at the moment.

I have a IBM/Lenovo T61 a friend gave me brand new (as a gift) back in 
2007. It's still going! Running Debian 8.8 with XFCE. However, I too 
hear some faint clicking noises from time to time and wonder if the HD 
is dying. I have a spare HD (has only 80GB and Windows Vista Home 
Premium pre-installed on it). I don't want to really replace the HD 
(whether new - as I can't afford it or the original 80GB one). But it's 
been working otherwise, no problems or errors.

My HP Pavilion g7 I've had maybe 4 or 5 years now (forgot when I 
actually got it) and it is my "main" system I use all day every day. 
Never any clicking noises or problems (set up the same with Debian 8.8 
with XFCE). That one sometimes would run a bit hot (so I put fans under 
it and have some power management packages installed).

I'm not sure why some systems react a certain way and other's don't. But 
if you put a new HD in and the clicking is still there, then you just 
ruled out the HD, at least.

Next thing I think you could check is the fan, and the system 
temperatures. Maybe a fan is starting to go or just needs cleaning and 
oiling?

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#180916

On 5/10/17 3:32 PM, Philip Ashmore wrote:
> Hi there.
>
> I managed to record it using my laptops built-in microphone.
>
> To those who would prefer a description:
> It starts fast and slows down. I opened the file with Audacity and determined
> the intervals to be 0.1, 0.3, 0.6, 10, 15 seconds, then it repeats.
>
> It sounds like some kind of protocol negotiation algorithm that requires a
> disk sync when the polling time doubles.
>
Its most likely the disk trying to read some bad sectors.  It is trying to
access the bad sector by approaching it from different ends of the disk ...
that's where the whine sound comes from at different intervals.   This is a bad
sign so get any important data off the drive NOW.

If the system lets you ... run 'smartctl -a /dev/sdx' (replace sdx with your
drive) (if command not found error then install package smartmontools) and look
for things like UDMA_CRC_Error_Count, Offline_Uncorrectable and
Reallocated_Sector_Ct that are high (might just be over zero).  There may be
other messages that indicate drive errors.  You could do a long self test
('smartctl -t long /dev/sdx') but that will only tell you where the errors are. 
If you can get a copy of SystemRescueCd at http://www.system-rescue-cd.org/.  It
is a live Linux repair disk that can do many things.  It has utilities that can
retrieve files from a bad disk and more.  This would give you a chance to mount
the drive and get the important data you need. 

To attempt a repair I would boot the  SystemRescueCd and run the command
'badblocks  -svn /dev/sdx'.  That is a non destructive read then write test and
would try to read the bad blocks and if successful then write them back giving
the drive a chance to relocate the bad sector(s).  If this fails and you want to
try to fix the drive then try spinrite (from grc.com).  It is a commercial
program but it does a deep scrubbing on the disk and has been able to restore
bad disks. 


...bob

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#180917

Bob Weber <bobrweber@gmail.com> wrote:

> To attempt a repair I would boot the  SystemRescueCd and run the
> command 'badblocks  -svn /dev/sdx'.  That is a non destructive read
> then write test and would try to read the bad blocks and if successful
> then write them back giving the drive a chance to relocate the bad
> sector(s).  If this fails and you want to try to fix the drive then
> try spinrite (from grc.com).  It is a commercial program but it does a
> deep scrubbing on the disk and has been able to restore bad disks. 

Before doing _any_ of that, I'd suggest to first do a full backup
creating an image file of the HDD using "dd".

While 'badblocks -svn /dev/sdx' or spinrite may revive the disk, it can
also push the disk "over the edge", damaging it fatally.

Grüße,
Sven.

-- 
Sigmentation fault. Core dumped.

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