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  Update Notifier <sarez45@att.net> - 2017-05-05 19:00 +0200
    Re: Update Notifier Dominik George <nik@naturalnet.de> - 2017-05-05 19:20 +0200
    Re: Update Notifier Debian Mailing Lists <debian-lists@comprofix.com> - 2017-05-06 06:00 +0200
    Re: Update Notifier Mark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com> - 2017-05-14 10:10 +0200
      Re: Update Notifier Matthew McKinnon <comprofix@list.comprofix.com> - 2017-05-15 05:30 +0200
        Re: Update Notifier Yvan Masson <yvan.masson@openmailbox.org> - 2017-05-20 12:40 +0200
          Re: Update Notifier deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2017-05-20 13:10 +0200
          Re: Update Notifier Dejan Jocic <jodejka@gmail.com> - 2017-05-20 13:40 +0200
      Re: Update Notifier RavenLX <ravenlx@sitesplace.net> - 2017-05-17 14:50 +0200
        Re: Update Notifier Frank <zuiderduin@gmx.com> - 2017-05-17 15:00 +0200
          Re: Update Notifier RavenLX <ravenlx@sitesplace.net> - 2017-05-17 15:30 +0200
        Re: Update Notifier Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org.uk> - 2017-05-17 15:10 +0200
          Re: Update Notifier rhkramer@gmail.com - 2017-05-17 16:20 +0200
            Re: Update Notifier Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org.uk> - 2017-05-17 16:30 +0200
    Re: Update Notifier SDA <marathon.durandal@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 18:00 +0200

#180734 — Update Notifier

Why doesn't Debian 8 Cinnamon notify when updates are ready to install after all these years Debian has existed? Don't tell me there is one, because after installing Debian I waited a long time to see if a notification would pop up. It never did. I know about doing apt-get update && apt-get upgrade,but why should we have to use a command line? It makes me wonder about Debian security. Would you please put an update notifier in all your versions of Debian.

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#180735

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> Why doesn't Debian 8 Cinnamon notify when updates are ready to install
> after all these years Debian has existed? Don't tell me there is one,
> because after installing Debian I waited a long time to see if a
> notification would pop up. It never did. I know about doing apt-get
> update && apt-get upgrade,but why should we have to use a command
> line? It makes me wonder about Debian security. Would you please put
> an update notifier in all your versions of Debian.

$ apt install gnome-packagekit

If you think it should be part of the desktop task or
cinnamon-desktop-environment, please file a wishlist bug (in a more
helpful tone).

-nik

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#180764

On Fri, 2017-05-05 at 16:32 +0000, sarez45@att.net wrote:
> Why doesn't Debian 8 Cinnamon notify when updates are ready to
> install after all these years Debian has existed? Don't tell me there
> is one, because after installing Debian I waited a long time to see
> if a notification would pop up. It never did. I know about doing apt-
> get update && apt-get upgrade,but why should we have to use a command
> line? It makes me wonder about Debian security. Would you please put
> an update notifier in all your versions of Debian.

You can also install the package pk-update-icon

This can be found in the jessie-backports repo.

Thanks
Matt

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#180993

On Fri, May 05, 2017 at 04:32:44PM +0000, sarez45@att.net wrote:
> Why doesn't Debian 8 Cinnamon notify when updates are ready to install 
> after all these years Debian has existed? Don't tell me there is one, 
> because after installing Debian I waited a long time to see if a 
> notification would pop up. It never did. I know about doing apt-get 
> update && apt-get upgrade,but why should we have to use a command 
> line? It makes me wonder about Debian security. Would you please put 
> an update notifier in all your versions of Debian.
> 

Who do you think you are talking to?

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#181013

On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 05:03:31PM +0900, Mark Fletcher wrote:
> On Fri, May 05, 2017 at 04:32:44PM +0000, sarez45@att.net wrote:
> > Why doesn't Debian 8 Cinnamon notify when updates are ready to install 
> > after all these years Debian has existed? Don't tell me there is one, 
> > because after installing Debian I waited a long time to see if a 
> > notification would pop up. It never did. I know about doing apt-get 
> > update && apt-get upgrade,but why should we have to use a command 
> > line? It makes me wonder about Debian security. Would you please put 
> > an update notifier in all your versions of Debian.
> > 
> 
> Who do you think you are talking to?
> 

In Debian Jessie install pk-update-icon from debian-backports

In Debian Stretch install pk-update-icon.

This package works both on Cinnamon, XFCE4 and Gnome. Not sure on the other DEs.

Thanks
Matt

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#181135

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I also consider this missing "update notification" an important issue
for beginners and people that do not want to manually check for security
updates every day.

> In Debian Jessie install pk-update-icon from debian-backports
> 
> In Debian Stretch install pk-update-icon.
> 
> This package works both on Cinnamon, XFCE4 and Gnome. Not sure on the other DEs.

Unfortunately, this is not true for Gnome: in
/etc/xdg/autostart/pk-update-icon.desktop we can see that it is disabled
for both Gnome and KDE.

So I suppose that Gnome and KDE should display user notification about
updates.
- I can tell that it is not the case for Gnome in Stretch (at least on
my desktop), which makes me really disappointed. Is there anyone here
who gets update notifications under Gnome in Stretch?
- Is there any KDE user here who could tell us if there is update
notifications by default?

Regards,
Yvan

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#181138

Yvan Masson wrote:

> So I suppose that Gnome and KDE should display user notification about
> updates.
> - I can tell that it is not the case for Gnome in Stretch (at least on
> my desktop), which makes me really disappointed. Is there anyone here
> who gets update notifications under Gnome in Stretch?
> - Is there any KDE user here who could tell us if there is update
> notifications by default?

Perhaps there is an option in the configuration section and saving this in
your user profile it will overwrite the default one. I'm sorry , I am not
using either Gnome or KDE,but in Ubuntu's Gnome this is default behavior as
I have been asked to disable this on couple of Ubuntu machines.

regards

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#181139

On 20-05-17, Yvan Masson wrote:
> I also consider this missing "update notification" an important issue
> for beginners and people that do not want to manually check for security
> updates every day.
> 
> > In Debian Jessie install pk-update-icon from debian-backports
> > 
> > In Debian Stretch install pk-update-icon.
> > 
> > This package works both on Cinnamon, XFCE4 and Gnome. Not sure on the other DEs.
> 
> Unfortunately, this is not true for Gnome: in
> /etc/xdg/autostart/pk-update-icon.desktop we can see that it is disabled
> for both Gnome and KDE.
> 
> So I suppose that Gnome and KDE should display user notification about
> updates.
> - I can tell that it is not the case for Gnome in Stretch (at least on
> my desktop), which makes me really disappointed. Is there anyone here
> who gets update notifications under Gnome in Stretch?
> - Is there any KDE user here who could tell us if there is update
> notifications by default?
> 
> Regards,
> Yvan
> 



Not sure what you mean by "that is not case for Gnome in Stretch". I do
not have pk-update-icon package installed, but I do get notifications
about updates. As far as I know, it is part of gnome-packagekit package.
Not that I use it anyway, first thing after boot is apt-get update &&
apt-get upgrade for me. But it is usually fast enough to notify my that
my morning routine will not be blank shot.

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#181050

On 05/14/2017 04:03 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
> On Fri, May 05, 2017 at 04:32:44PM +0000, sarez45@att.net wrote:
>> Why doesn't Debian 8 Cinnamon notify when updates are ready to install
>> after all these years Debian has existed? Don't tell me there is one,
>> because after installing Debian I waited a long time to see if a
>> notification would pop up. It never did. I know about doing apt-get
>> update && apt-get upgrade,but why should we have to use a command
>> line? It makes me wonder about Debian security. Would you please put
>> an update notifier in all your versions of Debian.
>>
> 
> Who do you think you are talking to?

LOL! Love your reply! :)

I love that Debian doesn't have an updater/notifier. I rather do things 
at the command line. I'd be lost without it.

Also, updaters/notifiers I've found don't always pop up the extra 
information some updates may have (which you would have to read and 
sometimes interact with to make a decision of whether to keep a config 
file or not, or to reconfig something.).

If the OP want Debian with a notifier, maybe they should try a 
Debian-based distro rather than pure Debian. There's tons of them out 
there. They could check out distrowatch.com for more info.

Personally, I'm glad Debian doesn't notify automatically by default.

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#181051

Op 17-05-17 om 14:42 schreef RavenLX:
> I love that Debian doesn't have an updater/notifier.

Erm... gnome-packagekit + pk-update-icon ?

Regards,
Frank
(yes, that one...)

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#181057

On 05/17/2017 08:59 AM, Frank wrote:
> Op 17-05-17 om 14:42 schreef RavenLX:
>> I love that Debian doesn't have an updater/notifier.
> 
> Erm... gnome-packagekit + pk-update-icon ?

No thanks. Not for me. But I think the OP might like it. :) I actually 
wasn't being sarcastic in my message. I actually genuinely glad not to 
have an updater bugging me. I prefer to do updates when I'm ready to do 
them (usually once a week).

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#181052

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On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 08:42:17AM -0400, RavenLX wrote:
>On 05/14/2017 04:03 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
>>On Fri, May 05, 2017 at 04:32:44PM +0000, sarez45@att.net wrote:
>>>Why doesn't Debian 8 Cinnamon notify when updates are ready to install
>>>after all these years Debian has existed? Don't tell me there is one,
>>>because after installing Debian I waited a long time to see if a
>>>notification would pop up. It never did. I know about doing apt-get
>>>update && apt-get upgrade,but why should we have to use a command
>>>line? It makes me wonder about Debian security. Would you please put
>>>an update notifier in all your versions of Debian.
>>>
>>
>>Who do you think you are talking to?
>
>LOL! Love your reply! :)
>
>I love that Debian doesn't have an updater/notifier. I rather do 
>things at the command line. I'd be lost without it.

You make it sound as though the two are incompatible. Long ago, people
developed mail notifications and I see no reason that update
notifications couldn't be done the same way.

At a pure-commandline level, you could print "There are $num new updates
available." This could be restricted to either the superuser or perhaps
to members of the sudo group.

Another option would be a tmux/byobu/powerline widget which displays
something like "📦$num" (where 📦 is U+1F4E6 "Package")

>
>Also, updaters/notifiers I've found don't always pop up the extra 
>information some updates may have (which you would have to read and 
>sometimes interact with to make a decision of whether to keep a config 
>file or not, or to reconfig something.).

There's a difference between update notifications (which would natually
limit themselves to "There are new updates" / "There are X new updates"
/ "The following packages have updates ...") and unattended upgrades.

Unattended upgrades do, it's true, need some special consideration.
Changelogs/news can be mailed to root through the correct configuration
of apt-listchanges. apt-listbugs should clearly conflict, though; you
can't screen for bugs if there's no-one to choose if the bugs are
important or not.

And as for debconf issues, I'm fairly certain that
the debconf/conffiles/ucf stuff CAN be made to work automatically, but
I think it needs either an alert admin to check for *.dpkg-new files or
perhaps some sort of email alert telling the admin that there are
pending changes. I played around with gentoo a while ago and I seem to
remember that they had a tool for that which would walk through the
conffiles and upon finding a new version from the package would patch
it. Conflicts could be merged interactively. Debian SORT of has this,
but as far as I'm aware it currently only handles it at package upgrade
time.

>
>If the OP want Debian with a notifier, maybe they should try a 
>Debian-based distro rather than pure Debian. There's tons of them out 
>there. They could check out distrowatch.com for more info.
>
>Personally, I'm glad Debian doesn't notify automatically by default.
>
>
>
>
>
>

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#181058

On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 09:03:47 AM Darac Marjal wrote:
> -- 
> For more information, please reread.

I love your sig!  (It often works.)

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#181060

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On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 10:12:53AM -0400, rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
>On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 09:03:47 AM Darac Marjal wrote:
>> --
>> For more information, please reread.
>
>I love your sig!  (It often works.)

I can't claim credit for it, I'm afraid. It was (still is?) the
strapline for Public Information Films/Posters from the northern
English town of Scarfolk.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarfolk

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#181065

On Fri, May 05, 2017 at 04:32:44PM +0000, sarez45@att.net wrote:
> Why doesn't Debian 8 Cinnamon notify when updates are ready to install after all these years Debian has existed? Don't tell me there is one, because after installing Debian I waited a long time to see if a notification would pop up. It never did. I know about doing apt-get update && apt-get upgrade,but why should we have to use a command line? It makes me wonder about Debian security. Would you please put an update notifier in all your versions of Debian.
>
There is a gnome-shell extension that does this, it's configurable as well.  
Should work for Cinnamon too, right? https://extensions.gnome.org/ 

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