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  Debian natively on Android device Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 21:20 +0100
    Re: Debian natively on Android device Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 21:40 +0100
      Re: Debian natively on Android device Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 14:20 +0100
        Re: Debian natively on Android device <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-02-02 14:40 +0100
        Re: Debian natively on Android device Carl Fink <carl@finknetwork.com> - 2017-02-02 14:40 +0100
          Re: Debian natively on Android device David Baron <dbaron770@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 15:40 +0100
        Re: Debian natively on Android device David Baron <dbaron770@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 14:50 +0100
    Re: Debian natively on Android device deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 00:50 +0100
      Re: Debian natively on Android device Cindy-Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 02:30 +0100
        Re: Debian natively on Android device deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 08:40 +0100
      Re: Debian natively on Android device Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 15:50 +0100
        Re: Debian natively on Android device <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-02-01 16:10 +0100
          Re: Debian natively on Android device deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 21:00 +0100
            Re: Debian natively on Android device Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2017-02-01 21:20 +0100
              Re: Debian natively on Android device Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 22:00 +0100
                Re: Debian natively on Android device Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2017-02-01 22:20 +0100
                  Re: Debian natively on Android device deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 22:30 +0100
                  Re: Debian natively on Android device Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 22:30 +0100
                    Re: Debian natively on Android device Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2017-02-02 10:00 +0100
                      Re: Debian natively on Android device Michael Lange <klappnase@freenet.de> - 2017-02-02 10:40 +0100
            Re: Debian natively on Android device <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-02-01 21:50 +0100
            Re: Debian natively on Android device Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 21:50 +0100
              Re: Debian natively on Android device deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 22:20 +0100
                Re: Debian natively on Android device deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 22:40 +0100
                  Re: Debian natively on Android device Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2017-02-02 10:00 +0100
                    Re: Debian natively on Android device deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2017-02-02 20:30 +0100
          Re: Debian natively on Android device Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 21:10 +0100
            Re: Debian natively on Android device deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 21:50 +0100

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#177185 — Debian natively on Android device

Hi all.

I'm interested in the problem of running Debian on an Android device and I
visited:

 https://wiki.debian.org/Mobile

.  I'm trying to follow the tutorial:

 http://whiteboard.ping.se/Android/Debian

, but it seems to be quite hard.  I'm stuck where the tutorial says:

 # mkbootimg --base 0x00200000 --kernel zImage --ramdisk initramfs.cpio.gz -o my-boot.img

, as I don't know where the file zImage is on my Android device nor the base
address (above 0x00200000).  I got some help from the debian-mobile mailing
list but it was not such that I managed to solve my problem.

I think it's important to remark that the above tutorial, as far as I
understand, is not about running Debian within the costraints or at the top of
Android system, as many other kind of solutions do, but instead natively.  It
compiles the Android kernel and replace - it seems - the original with the
modified one.

Anyone out there who's interested as well in the matter and has already
experienced it?

Thanks,

Rodolfo

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#177188

Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> writes:

> I'm interested in the problem of running Debian on an Android device and I
> visited:
>
>  https://wiki.debian.org/Mobile
>
> .  I'm trying to follow the tutorial:
>
>  http://whiteboard.ping.se/Android/Debian
>
> , but it seems to be quite hard.  I'm stuck where the tutorial says:
>
>  # mkbootimg --base 0x00200000 --kernel zImage --ramdisk initramfs.cpio.gz -o my-boot.img
>
> , as I don't know where the file zImage is on my Android device nor the base
> address (above 0x00200000).  I got some help from the debian-mobile mailing
> list but it was not such that I managed to solve my problem.
>
> I think it's important to remark that the above tutorial, as far as I
> understand, is not about running Debian within the costraints or at the top of
> Android system, as many other kind of solutions do, but instead natively.  It
> compiles the Android kernel and replace - it seems - the original with the
> modified one.
>
> Anyone out there who's interested as well in the matter and has already
> experienced it?


Something similar:

 https://cascardo.eti.br/blog/GNU_on_a_Smartphone/

Rodolfo

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#177289

Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> writes:

> Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> I'm interested in the problem of running Debian on an Android device
>
> [...]

Thanks to all who kindly replied, it did help.  Now I can see everything a bit
more clearly.  I'll try to summarize what seems important to me about the
issue.

Deloptes, thanks for your indications about Sailfish project and Jolla phones,
they are very interesting, but what I was looking for is the possibility of
running Debian on those devices, not other OSs.  So Ubuntu pre-installed is not
either what I wish.  As far as I understand, the capability for Debian - and
other Linux distros - to install on smartphones and tablets could improve, and
probably will, more and more in the next months and years.  Some people have
already experienced Ubuntu, and maybe Debian, on some `WinPads'.  But, as far
as I understand, this was possible because those WinPads have, at start, like
normal computers, the possibility of choosing to boot from usb pendrive - or at
least from SDcard.  So the main problem in trying the installation on other -
Android - devices is probably this, that they don't have that possibility.
Right?  Or instead they do have it in some way?

Thanks,

cheers,

Rodolfo

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On Thu, Feb 02, 2017 at 01:09:39PM +0000, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
> Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> > Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> writes:
> >
> >> I'm interested in the problem of running Debian on an Android device
> >
> > [...]
> 
> Thanks to all who kindly replied, it did help.  Now I can see everything a bit
> more clearly.  I'll try to summarize what seems important to me about the
> issue.

To add one which, while not strictly Debian still merits mention, see
Fairphone, which started from the "ethic sourcing of materials" POV,
but is listening to software freedom concerns.

They offer an official path to rooting, and -- who knows? -- might be
talked into supporting efforts to port whateve non-Android to their
hardware.

I find them interesting because their approach is somewhat complementary
to OpenMoko's.

To all folks out there saying "OpenMoko failed": yes, and no. OpenMoko's
people are "out there". The experience has made us richer. Some other
approach might succeed (and will only because it carries some of OM's
genes).

It's all but one giant genetic annealing simulation :)

Regards

[1] https://code.fairphone.com/projects/fp-osos/index.html

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#177291

On Thu, Feb 02, 2017 at 01:09:39PM +0000, Rodolfo Medina wrote:

> Deloptes, thanks for your indications about Sailfish project and Jolla phones,
> they are very interesting, but what I was looking for is the possibility of
> running Debian on those devices, not other OSs.  So Ubuntu pre-installed is not
> either what I wish.  As far as I understand, the capability for Debian - and
> other Linux distros - to install on smartphones and tablets could improve, and
> probably will, more and more in the next months and years.  Some people have
> already experienced Ubuntu, and maybe Debian, on some `WinPads'.  But, as far
> as I understand, this was possible because those WinPads have, at start, like
> normal computers, the possibility of choosing to boot from usb pendrive - or at
> least from SDcard.  So the main problem in trying the installation on other -
> Android - devices is probably this, that they don't have that possibility.
> Right?  Or instead they do have it in some way?

Android devices almost always have provision for "reflashing" with a new
operating system.  If you root it (gain the ability to operate as superuser)
you can install an arbitrary OS.  There are Free Software ROMs out there,
like LineageOS (http://lineageos.org/), and in principle there's no reason
somoene couldn't create a Debian distro for Android, but it would be an
enormous job and nobody has actually done so (that I know about).
-- 
Carl Fink                           nitpicking@nitpicking.com 

Read my blog at blog.nitpicking.com.  Reviews!  Observations!
Stupid mistakes you can correct!

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#177294

On יום חמישי, 2 בפברואר 2017 8:33:56 IST Carl Fink wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 02, 2017 at 01:09:39PM +0000, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
> > Deloptes, thanks for your indications about Sailfish project and Jolla
> > phones, they are very interesting, but what I was looking for is the
> > possibility of running Debian on those devices, not other OSs.  So Ubuntu
> > pre-installed is not either what I wish.  As far as I understand, the
> > capability for Debian - and other Linux distros - to install on
> > smartphones and tablets could improve, and probably will, more and more
> > in the next months and years.  Some people have already experienced
> > Ubuntu, and maybe Debian, on some `WinPads'.  But, as far as I
> > understand, this was possible because those WinPads have, at start, like
> > normal computers, the possibility of choosing to boot from usb pendrive -
> > or at least from SDcard.  So the main problem in trying the installation
> > on other - Android - devices is probably this, that they don't have that
> > possibility. Right?  Or instead they do have it in some way?
> 
> Android devices almost always have provision for "reflashing" with a new
> operating system.  If you root it (gain the ability to operate as superuser)
> you can install an arbitrary OS.  There are Free Software ROMs out there,
> like LineageOS (http://lineageos.org/), and in principle there's no reason
> somoene couldn't create a Debian distro for Android, but it would be an
> enormous job and nobody has actually done so (that I know about).

Debian distro for Android (that runs under android in its own chroot or 
equivelant) -- several on Play. Read the recent XDA-Developers article.

The poster wanted to replace Android with something better -- Debian. Ubuntu 
(Debian-based) has done all the work if one has a compatable device.

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#177292

On יום חמישי, 2 בפברואר 2017 13:09:39 IST Rodolfo Medina wrote:
> Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> writes:
> > Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> writes:
> >> I'm interested in the problem of running Debian on an Android device
> > 
> > [...]
> 
> Thanks to all who kindly replied, it did help.  Now I can see everything a
> bit more clearly.  I'll try to summarize what seems important to me about
> the issue.
> 
> Deloptes, thanks for your indications about Sailfish project and Jolla
> phones, they are very interesting, but what I was looking for is the
> possibility of running Debian on those devices, not other OSs.  So Ubuntu
> pre-installed is not either what I wish.  As far as I understand, the
> capability for Debian - and other Linux distros - to install on smartphones
> and tablets could improve, and probably will, more and more in the next
> months and years.  Some people have already experienced Ubuntu, and maybe
> Debian, on some `WinPads'.  But, as far as I understand, this was possible
> because those WinPads have, at start, like normal computers, the
> possibility of choosing to boot from usb pendrive - or at least from
> SDcard.  So the main problem in trying the installation on other - Android
> - devices is probably this, that they don't have that possibility. Right? 
> Or instead they do have it in some way?
> 
Good.

If you just want to run the distro, any hardware with support in the kernel 
will do it.
If you want a phone, then Ubuntu and Jolla have already done that work. Need 
support for the hardware, of course.

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#177196

Rodolfo Medina wrote:

> Hi all.
> 
> I'm interested in the problem of running Debian on an Android device and I
> visited:
> 
>  https://wiki.debian.org/Mobile
> 
> .  I'm trying to follow the tutorial:
> 
>  http://whiteboard.ping.se/Android/Debian
> 
> , but it seems to be quite hard.  I'm stuck where the tutorial says:
> 
>  # mkbootimg --base 0x00200000 --kernel zImage --ramdisk initramfs.cpio.gz
>  # -o my-boot.img
> 
> , as I don't know where the file zImage is on my Android device nor the
> base
> address (above 0x00200000).  I got some help from the debian-mobile
> mailing list but it was not such that I managed to solve my problem.
> 
> I think it's important to remark that the above tutorial, as far as I
> understand, is not about running Debian within the costraints or at the
> top of
> Android system, as many other kind of solutions do, but instead natively. 
> It compiles the Android kernel and replace - it seems - the original with
> the modified one.
> 
> Anyone out there who's interested as well in the matter and has already
> experienced it?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Rodolfo

There is one device running on native (or almost native debian). The device
is called Nokia N9. 
"MeeGo was a Linux distribution hosted by the Linux Foundation, using source
code from the operating systems Moblin (produced by Intel) and Maemo
(produced by Nokia)." [1]
Unfortunately discontinued. 
The problem with your undertaking is (woud be) support for hardware aka
drivers. You can look at jolla [2], sailfish [3].

Honestly I admire people that have time to waste! If you want to be useful,
join some of the running projects. There are also lists of devices where
hardware is supported.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MeeGo
[2] https://jolla.com/
[3] https://sailfishos.org/

regards

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#177207

On 1/31/17, deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> wrote:
> Rodolfo Medina wrote:
>> I'm interested in the problem of running Debian on an Android device and
>> I
>> visited:
>>
>>  https://wiki.debian.org/Mobile
>>
>> .  I'm trying to follow the tutorial:
>>
>>  http://whiteboard.ping.se/Android/Debian
>>
>> , but it seems to be quite hard.  I'm stuck where the tutorial says:
>>
>>  # mkbootimg --base 0x00200000 --kernel zImage --ramdisk
>> initramfs.cpio.gz
>>  # -o my-boot.img
>>
>> , as I don't know where the file zImage is on my Android device nor the
>> base
>> address (above 0x00200000).  I got some help from the debian-mobile
>> mailing list but it was not such that I managed to solve my problem.
>>
>> I think it's important to remark that the above tutorial, as far as I
>> understand, is not about running Debian within the costraints or at the
>> top of
>> Android system, as many other kind of solutions do, but instead natively.
>>
>> It compiles the Android kernel and replace - it seems - the original with
>> the modified one.
>>
>> Anyone out there who's interested as well in the matter and has already
>> experienced it?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Rodolfo
>
> There is one device running on native (or almost native debian). The device
> is called Nokia N9.
> "MeeGo was a Linux distribution hosted by the Linux Foundation, using
> source
> code from the operating systems Moblin (produced by Intel) and Maemo
> (produced by Nokia)." [1]
> Unfortunately discontinued.
> The problem with your undertaking is (woud be) support for hardware aka
> drivers. You can look at jolla [2], sailfish [3].
>
> Honestly I admire people that have time to waste! If you want to be useful,
> join some of the running projects. There are also lists of devices where
> hardware is supported.
>
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MeeGo
> [2] https://jolla.com/
> [3] https://sailfishos.org/


The ".br" part of one of Rodolfo's offered URLs caught my eye [1].
This kind of thing can sometimes be about that... this may be the
only.... gah... piece of hardware.... sorry, at loss for words... may
be the only [piece of hardware] available for this kind of activity,
possibly even nationwide. That would drive that kind of interest.

My observation there is based on that I follow a few wonderful blogs
and news'y interest sources from South and Central America. I've NEVER
seen a picture of someone in front of a laptop or desktop pc, but I'll
sometimes see pics of all kinds of people in same pic, all with a
cellphone in hand.

There's a neat image out there somewhere where people in Africa, I
think it was, gained notoriety in photography circles. They were
standing around a mud puddle... while taking pics of a solar eclipse
with their cellphones. You can see several cellphones in the various
onlookers' hands. That very special image left an interesting
impression about how other cultures *MIGHT* *POTENTIALLY* be doing
*ALL* their computing.

And yes, I'm definitely a-suming facts not in evidence in those kinds
of cases. *grin*

Just thinking out loud.. :)

PS As an afterthought, sometimes inquiries that seem woefully outdated
or suchly... are about countries that have inherited things like our
absolute bottom basement, bottom dollar throwaways... and they're
trying to make them work because that's all they have....

Cindy

[1] https://cascardo.eti.br/blog/GNU_on_a_Smartphone/

-- 
Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA

* runs with duct tape *

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#177213

Cindy-Sue Causey wrote:

> PS As an afterthought, sometimes inquiries that seem woefully outdated
> or suchly... are about countries that have inherited things like our
> absolute bottom basement, bottom dollar throwaways... and they're
> trying to make them work because that's all they have....

It's not about can do it or not. There are phone running with debian -
ubuntu has also a smart phone line ... firefox or whoever else. 
The question is about usability.
Have you had some of the phones in your hand? If you did, you should know
how useless they are - with market share below 0.1%.
The best ATM is Sailfish, but still not stable at 100%. I would say 93% for
usability and stability.

OP could have a look at ubuntu.

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#177231

deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> writes:

> Rodolfo Medina wrote:
>
>> Hi all.
>> 
>> I'm interested in the problem of running Debian on an Android device and I
>> visited:
>> 
>>  https://wiki.debian.org/Mobile
>> 
>> .  I'm trying to follow the tutorial:
>> 
>>  http://whiteboard.ping.se/Android/Debian
>> 
>> , but it seems to be quite hard.  I'm stuck where the tutorial says:
>> 
>>  # mkbootimg --base 0x00200000 --kernel zImage --ramdisk initramfs.cpio.gz
>>  # -o my-boot.img
>> 
>> , as I don't know where the file zImage is on my Android device nor the
>> base
>> address (above 0x00200000).  I got some help from the debian-mobile
>> mailing list but it was not such that I managed to solve my problem.
>> 
>> I think it's important to remark that the above tutorial, as far as I
>> understand, is not about running Debian within the costraints or at the
>> top of
>> Android system, as many other kind of solutions do, but instead natively. 
>> It compiles the Android kernel and replace - it seems - the original with
>> the modified one.
>> 
>> Anyone out there who's interested as well in the matter and has already
>> experienced it?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Rodolfo
>
> There is one device running on native (or almost native debian). The device
> is called Nokia N9. 
> "MeeGo was a Linux distribution hosted by the Linux Foundation, using source
> code from the operating systems Moblin (produced by Intel) and Maemo
> (produced by Nokia)." [1]
> Unfortunately discontinued. 
> The problem with your undertaking is (woud be) support for hardware aka
> drivers. You can look at jolla [2], sailfish [3].
>
> Honestly I admire people that have time to waste!


Why do you say `waste of time'?  I won't say you're wrong, just see what you
mean...

Rodolfo

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On Wed, Feb 01, 2017 at 02:47:57PM +0000, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
> deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> > Rodolfo Medina wrote:
> >
> >> Hi all.
> >> 
> >> I'm interested in the problem of running Debian on an Android device and I
> >> visited:
> >> 
> >>  https://wiki.debian.org/Mobile

[...]

> > There is one device running on native (or almost native debian). The device
> > is called Nokia N9. 

[...]

> > Honestly I admire people that have time to waste!
> 
> 
> Why do you say `waste of time'?  I won't say you're wrong, just see what you
> mean...

Perhaps he thinks he has some claims on your time. From his perspective
you are wasting time he has acquired some rights to. Or something ;-P

Yes, deloptes: I know (or I assume strongly) this ain't so -- thus my
tongue-in-cheek. I still couldn't resist: whenever I see someone telling
someone else "you're wasting your time" in such absolute terms, I cringe,
while some baby unicorn dies in some rainbow universe.

Cheers
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#177242

tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:

> Perhaps he thinks he has some claims on your time. From his perspective
> you are wasting time he has acquired some rights to. Or something ;-P
> 
> Yes, deloptes: I know (or I assume strongly) this ain't so -- thus my
> tongue-in-cheek. I still couldn't resist: whenever I see someone telling
> someone else "you're wasting your time" in such absolute terms, I cringe,
> while some baby unicorn dies in some rainbow universe.

Ah, you are right to put this proposition forward, but I have also the right
to put mine :)
It is not meant in general terms, it is about investing the most precious we
have in a meaningful way.
There are people who have gone this way (debian/mobile) already and gained
some experience. There are few projects that need some support if someone
wants to spend some time I would recommend joining those projects.

I am sorry if my language sound that imperative - I meant it as an advise.
And please note I said "I admire people that have time to waste". 
Note "admire" and "people that have time to waste" is totally neutral - he
has time to waste - I don't mind, I just admire this person, because my
time is limited. I do not understand how you can conclude that I pretend to
have rights on his time - he can waste it or not - the point is the
outcome.
He'll go in a dead end, would you let this person spent hours for nothing.
Better join some community that is already working on this.

regards

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#177245

On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 20:58:13 +0100
deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> wrote:

> tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> 
> > Perhaps he thinks he has some claims on your time. From his
> > perspective you are wasting time he has acquired some rights to. Or
> > something ;-P
> > 
> > Yes, deloptes: I know (or I assume strongly) this ain't so -- thus
> > my tongue-in-cheek. I still couldn't resist: whenever I see someone
> > telling someone else "you're wasting your time" in such absolute
> > terms, I cringe, while some baby unicorn dies in some rainbow
> > universe.  
> 
> Ah, you are right to put this proposition forward, but I have also
> the right to put mine :)
> It is not meant in general terms, it is about investing the most
> precious we have in a meaningful way.
> There are people who have gone this way (debian/mobile) already and
> gained some experience. There are few projects that need some support
> if someone wants to spend some time I would recommend joining those
> projects.
> 
> I am sorry if my language sound that imperative - I meant it as an
> advise. And please note I said "I admire people that have time to
> waste". Note "admire" and "people that have time to waste" is totally
> neutral - he has time to waste - I don't mind, I just admire this
> person, because my time is limited. I do not understand how you can
> conclude that I pretend to have rights on his time - he can waste it
> or not - the point is the outcome.
> He'll go in a dead end, would you let this person spent hours for
> nothing. Better join some community that is already working on this.
> 

It is certainly a worthwhile goal. I would consider using a smartphone
if I could put a sane OS on one, I have no interest in them at the
moment.

Probably better a tablet, my current phone has real clicky buttons and
makes calls well, I'm not sure I'd give it up for one where the numbers
disappear part of the way through a '..press two for sales..' rigmarole.

-- 
Joe

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#177253

Joe <joe@jretrading.com> writes:

> On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 20:58:13 +0100
> deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
>> 
>> > Perhaps he thinks he has some claims on your time. From his
>> > perspective you are wasting time he has acquired some rights to. Or
>> > something ;-P
>> > 
>> > Yes, deloptes: I know (or I assume strongly) this ain't so -- thus
>> > my tongue-in-cheek. I still couldn't resist: whenever I see someone
>> > telling someone else "you're wasting your time" in such absolute
>> > terms, I cringe, while some baby unicorn dies in some rainbow
>> > universe.  
>> 
>> Ah, you are right to put this proposition forward, but I have also
>> the right to put mine :)
>> It is not meant in general terms, it is about investing the most
>> precious we have in a meaningful way.
>> There are people who have gone this way (debian/mobile) already and
>> gained some experience. There are few projects that need some support
>> if someone wants to spend some time I would recommend joining those
>> projects.
>> 
>> I am sorry if my language sound that imperative - I meant it as an
>> advise. And please note I said "I admire people that have time to
>> waste". Note "admire" and "people that have time to waste" is totally
>> neutral - he has time to waste - I don't mind, I just admire this
>> person, because my time is limited. I do not understand how you can
>> conclude that I pretend to have rights on his time - he can waste it
>> or not - the point is the outcome.
>> He'll go in a dead end, would you let this person spent hours for
>> nothing. Better join some community that is already working on this.
>> 
>
> It is certainly a worthwhile goal. I would consider using a smartphone
> if I could put a sane OS on one, I have no interest in them at the
> moment.
>
> Probably better a tablet, my current phone has real clicky buttons and
> makes calls well, I'm not sure I'd give it up for one where the numbers
> disappear part of the way through a '..press two for sales..' rigmarole.

In my understanding, nowadays' smartphones and tablets are just computers, of
smaller sizes and different shapes.  So I wonder about GNU Debian Linux running
on them as it does with desktop pcs and laptops.  You just boot those devices
from CD or pendrive, and the installation can start...  And I wish I could the
same with those...

Rodolfo

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#177257

On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 20:52:17 +0000
Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> wrote:

> Joe <joe@jretrading.com> writes:
> 

> > It is certainly a worthwhile goal. I would consider using a
> > smartphone if I could put a sane OS on one, I have no interest in
> > them at the moment.
> >
> > Probably better a tablet, my current phone has real clicky buttons
> > and makes calls well, I'm not sure I'd give it up for one where the
> > numbers disappear part of the way through a '..press two for
> > sales..' rigmarole.  
> 
> In my understanding, nowadays' smartphones and tablets are just
> computers, of smaller sizes and different shapes.  So I wonder about
> GNU Debian Linux running on them as it does with desktop pcs and
> laptops.  You just boot those devices from CD or pendrive, and the
> installation can start...  And I wish I could the same with those...
> 

My understanding is that at the moment, it's all very random. It's
relatively easy to do something inside a chroot, but still a bit messy,
with actually running native being limited to a handful of devices.
There's still a lot of 'we got Ubuntu running fine, but the sound didn't
work, or the wifi...', leaving the device unable to actually do very
much.

There are plenty of cheap tablets around now, even some running
Windows, which without doubt would run Debian. It's getting from here to
there which is the problem, and few of us have the kind of time that
might well be necessary, even assuming that drivers were available.
*Very* few of us could write a wifi driver.

-- 
Joe

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#177259

Joe wrote:

> There are plenty of cheap tablets around now, even some running
> Windows, which without doubt would run Debian.
How do you make this conclusion?

Debian can run on arm processor, but the devices are a problem. We are in
the 1980ies in the smart phones now. I guess the big players have learned a
lesson and it will be much harder to repeat the linux story there.

regards

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#177260

Joe <joe@jretrading.com> writes:

>
> There are plenty of cheap tablets around now, even some running
> Windows, which without doubt would run Debian.

Please which ones?  (Do you mean the so called WinPads?)

Thanks,

Rodolfo

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#177279

On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 21:22:12 +0000
Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> wrote:

> Joe <joe@jretrading.com> writes:
> 
> >
> > There are plenty of cheap tablets around now, even some running
> > Windows, which without doubt would run Debian.  
> 
> Please which ones?  (Do you mean the so called WinPads?)
> 

This kind of thing:

https://www.debenhamsplus.com/p/1164295/connect-nxr08001-intel-atom-1.33ghz-1gb-32gb-8-inch-windows-10-tablet?refsource=Deadwords&gclid=CNfW-r6D8dECFUe37QodIkoGAA

Bigger, with a keyboard:

http://www.laptopoutlet.co.uk/linx-1010-windows-10-2-in-1-quad-core-tablet-with-keyboard-ms-office-2gb-32gb-28079.html

Google 'cheap windows tablet'.

I wouldn't know where to start trying to get another OS running on this
kind of thing, so we must hope some smart people with lots of time are
looking into it.

Here is some progress, but there is a long way to go:

http://www.techradar.com/how-to/computing/how-to-install-ubuntu-onto-a-windows-tablet-1319489

-- 
Joe

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#177280

On Thu, 2 Feb 2017 08:53:39 +0000
Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:

> I wouldn't know where to start trying to get another OS running on this
> kind of thing, so we must hope some smart people with lots of time are
> looking into it.
> 
> Here is some progress, but there is a long way to go:
> 
> http://www.techradar.com/how-to/computing/how-to-install-ubuntu-onto-a-windows-tablet-1319489

>From a quick glance this looks like it is basically the same procedure as
I had installing linux on my Lenovo Ideapad 100S laptop (no surprise,
since it's more or less the same hardware put inside a laptop case).
Looking back, the only serious issue for the install was the 32 Bit UEFI
problem which could be easily avoided if one finds a 32 Bit installer iso
with EFI support (the pre-installed windows was 32 bit, too).
I think the biggest problem with these devices is the limited hardware
support in the linux kernel, though things seem to be improving slowly
but steadily.

Regards

Michael


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