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  httpredir.debian.org versus deb.debian.org Benjamin Moody <benjamin.moody@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 23:10 +0100
    Re: httpredir.debian.org versus deb.debian.org Cindy-Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 23:40 +0100
      Re: httpredir.debian.org versus deb.debian.org Benjamin Moody <benjamin.moody@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 01:20 +0100
    Re: httpredir.debian.org versus deb.debian.org Arnaud Hungler <arnaud.hungler@kaust.edu.sa> - 2017-02-01 08:50 +0100

#177189 — httpredir.debian.org versus deb.debian.org

Hi,

What is currently recommended as the best 'global' apt mirror URL
for *jessie* systems?  (I.e. when setting up a virtual machine
that might need to run unmodified from anywhere in the world?)

Should I use the HTTP redirector (httpredir.debian.org), or the
DNS redirector (deb.debian.org)?  Or something else?

Benjamin
(not subscribed, please CC)

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#177193

On 1/31/17, Benjamin Moody <benjamin.moody@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> What is currently recommended as the best 'global' apt mirror URL
> for *jessie* systems?  (I.e. when setting up a virtual machine
> that might need to run unmodified from anywhere in the world?)
>
> Should I use the HTTP redirector (httpredir.debian.org), or the
> DNS redirector (deb.debian.org)?  Or something else?
>
> Benjamin
> (not subscribed, please CC)


Hi, Benjamin.. I JUST encountered this in last couple days involving
an OMG!!! FINALLY!!! successful debootstrap of Stretch/Testing. My
debootstrap sessions start with some take on this line (with
adjustments per the variables as needed):

debootstrap --arch amd64 stretch /mnt/cin ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian

That autogenerates a one-line repository that caught my attention this
time around. I've become used to seeing the httpredir version because
of that right there.

That httpredir came to my attention last year'ish via something like
Debian-Publicity or similar. A few short weeks later it showed up on
its own k/t my next Sid debootstrap soon afterward.

I started to fib and say I left it there because it was a developer
provided tweak, but a quick peek at backups says NOPE. Instead I
commented it out and reverted back to the deb. one. My memory is
fading, but it SEEMS LIKE I did that because it was taking FOREVER for
the *_CHOICES_* ***IT*** made each time apt-get reached into the
repositories. :)

THIS WEEK aka two days ago, this is Stretch's tweak (k/t developers again):

deb http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch main

That's it. That's all I know on that. I may be remembering wrong on
this, too, but it SEEMS LIKE I saw some chatter about https (vs
http://) a while back. Haven't seen that reflected anywhere as a
default, though.

For now, that's also "it", all of "it", that is in my
/etc/apt/sources.list. The EXTREMELY rare times I ever have to step
outside that, I still don't change that. I go through the pain of
manually wget'ing (wget -c) the dotDeb archives I need then I use dpkg
to install.

Keeping a one-liner sources.list is just my (very stubborn) thing
here. There's no "mucking around" through a bunch of lines in that
file so it's very *cognitively friendly*. The additional payoff is
that you learn a little more under the hood that you might not
experience otherwise when you go that route. *grin*

Cindy :)

-- 
Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA

* Stretch/Testing with LXDE (and aewm/++ and pekwm and what else was it...?) *

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#177204

On 1/31/17, Cindy-Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> wrote:
> THIS WEEK aka two days ago, this is Stretch's tweak (k/t developers again):
>
> deb http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch main
>
> That's it. That's all I know on that. I may be remembering wrong on
> this, too, but it SEEMS LIKE I saw some chatter about https (vs
> http://) a while back. Haven't seen that reflected anywhere as a
> default, though.

Yeah, using https is probably wise, but it does add some complexity
(i.e. more possibilities for things to break.)

httpredir.debian.org is another (older, I think) "universal" mirror
server.  Like deb.debian.org it tries to redirect you to the fastest
mirror site possible.  The front page on deb.debian.org indicates it's
probably better optimized than httpredir for current testing/unstable
users, but I was wondering whether the same held for stable.

> For now, that's also "it", all of "it", that is in my
> /etc/apt/sources.list. The EXTREMELY rare times I ever have to step
> outside that, I still don't change that. I go through the pain of
> manually wget'ing (wget -c) the dotDeb archives I need then I use dpkg
> to install.

It'd probably also be wise to include security updates ("deb
http://deb.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main"), but it's
your call.

> Keeping a one-liner sources.list is just my (very stubborn) thing
> here. There's no "mucking around" through a bunch of lines in that
> file so it's very *cognitively friendly*. The additional payoff is
> that you learn a little more under the hood that you might not
> experience otherwise when you go that route. *grin*

I fully support learning about what's under the hood.  That's what
free software is all about. :)

Benjamin

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#177214

Hi,

For your information, httpredir can return a non-complete repository. This
problem happened many times, with the selection of debian.grena.ge which does
not contain the amd64 packages.
Result of apt update

Err:15 http://debian.grena.ge/debian sid/main i386 Packages 404 Not Found
E: Failed to fetch http://debian.grena.ge/debian/dists/sid/main/binary-i386/
Packages 404 Not Found
E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones
used instead.

Duna

On Tuesday, 31 January 2017 16:42:55 AST Benjamin Moody wrote:
> Hi,
>
> What is currently recommended as the best 'global' apt mirror URL
> for *jessie* systems?  (I.e. when setting up a virtual machine
> that might need to run unmodified from anywhere in the world?)
>
> Should I use the HTTP redirector (httpredir.debian.org), or the
> DNS redirector (deb.debian.org)?  Or something else?
>
> Benjamin
> (not subscribed, please CC)



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