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  Impossible to install debian-8.7.1-i386-netinst.iso Pierre Couderc <pierre@couderc.eu> - 2017-01-30 20:00 +0100
    Re: Impossible to install debian-8.7.1-i386-netinst.iso Mark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 00:00 +0100
      Re: Impossible to install debian-8.7.1-i386-netinst.iso Pierre Couderc <pierre@couderc.eu> - 2017-01-31 09:20 +0100
    Re: Impossible to install debian-8.7.1-i386-netinst.iso <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-01-31 09:50 +0100
      Re: Impossible to install debian-8.7.1-i386-netinst.iso Pierre Couderc <pierre@couderc.eu> - 2017-01-31 13:40 +0100
        Re: Impossible to install debian-8.7.1-i386-netinst.iso Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 18:00 +0100
          Re: Impossible to install debian-8.7.1-i386-netinst.iso Pierre Couderc <pierre@couderc.eu> - 2017-01-31 18:30 +0100
            Re: Impossible to install debian-8.7.1-i386-netinst.iso Mark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com> - 2017-01-31 23:50 +0100
              Re: Impossible to install debian-8.7.1-i386-netinst.iso Pierre Couderc <pierre@couderc.eu> - 2017-02-01 00:50 +0100
                Re: Impossible to install debian-8.7.1-i386-netinst.iso Henning <henning@itcfollmann.com> - 2017-02-01 02:20 +0100
            Re: Impossible to install debian-8.7.1-i386-netinst.iso Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2017-02-01 02:30 +0100
              Re: Impossible to install debian-8.7.1-i386-netinst.iso Pierre Couderc <pierre@couderc.eu> - 2017-02-01 08:00 +0100
                Re: Impossible to install debian-8.7.1-i386-netinst.iso <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2017-02-01 11:10 +0100
                  Re: Impossible to install debian-8.7.1-i386-netinst.iso Pierre Couderc <pierre@couderc.eu> - 2017-02-01 16:40 +0100

#177137 — Impossible to install debian-8.7.1-i386-netinst.iso

On an old computer, with an USB keyboard, the install stops on the first 
screen.

The keyboard is not active (but it works fine in the bios !).

A similar problem is described in 
http://www.kasploosh.com/weblog/14000/14016-debian_jessie_usb_keyboard.html

Is there a workaround ?


Thanks

PC

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#177145

On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 07:53:56PM +0100, Pierre Couderc wrote:
> On an old computer, with an USB keyboard, the install stops on the first
> screen.
> 
> The keyboard is not active (but it works fine in the bios !).
> 
> A similar problem is described in
> http://www.kasploosh.com/weblog/14000/14016-debian_jessie_usb_keyboard.html
> 
> Is there a workaround ?
> 

I have a feeling someone else faced a similar problem somehwat recently 
(say in the last 6-12 months) and there was a boot parameter that sorted 
it for them. I'm afraid I don't remember details. The closest I have 
personally come to this is finding a Bluetooth keyboard not working at 
that stage, but a wired USB keyboard did work. That was a release or two 
of Jessie ago.

I'd suggest that Google will make short work of searching the archives 
of this list to find the answer.

Mark

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#177156

Thank you very much. I search more...


On 01/30/2017 11:50 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 07:53:56PM +0100, Pierre Couderc wrote:
>> On an old computer, with an USB keyboard, the install stops on the first
>> screen.
>>
>> The keyboard is not active (but it works fine in the bios !).
>>
>> A similar problem is described in
>> http://www.kasploosh.com/weblog/14000/14016-debian_jessie_usb_keyboard.html
>>
>> Is there a workaround ?
>>
> I have a feeling someone else faced a similar problem somehwat recently
> (say in the last 6-12 months) and there was a boot parameter that sorted
> it for them. I'm afraid I don't remember details. The closest I have
> personally come to this is finding a Bluetooth keyboard not working at
> that stage, but a wired USB keyboard did work. That was a release or two
> of Jessie ago.
>
> I'd suggest that Google will make short work of searching the archives
> of this list to find the answer.
>
> Mark
>

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#177158

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On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 07:53:56PM +0100, Pierre Couderc wrote:
> On an old computer, with an USB keyboard, the install stops on the
> first screen.
> 
> The keyboard is not active (but it works fine in the bios !).
> 
> A similar problem is described in http://www.kasploosh.com/weblog/14000/14016-debian_jessie_usb_keyboard.html
> 
> Is there a workaround ?

Besides Mark's hints, there might be a setting in BIOS which
more or less lets your OS believe there are traditional keyboard
and mice. Search for something something "legacy".

Good luck
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#177164

Thank you. The computer is old, I do not see this option...


On 31/01/2017 09:42, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
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> On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 07:53:56PM +0100, Pierre Couderc wrote:
>> On an old computer, with an USB keyboard, the install stops on the
>> first screen.
>>
>> The keyboard is not active (but it works fine in the bios !).
>>
>> A similar problem is described in http://www.kasploosh.com/weblog/14000/14016-debian_jessie_usb_keyboard.html
>>
>> Is there a workaround ?
> Besides Mark's hints, there might be a setting in BIOS which
> more or less lets your OS believe there are traditional keyboard
> and mice. Search for something something "legacy".
>
> Good luck
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#177180

On Tue, 31 Jan 2017 13:34:20 +0100 Pierre Couderc <pierre@couderc.eu>
wrote:

> Thank you. The computer is old, I do not see this option...

If its an old computer ...  You're using a USB keyboard, right?  It
probably has as "dedicated" keyboard port, probably circular.  (As well
as one for the mouse.)  Get an adapter and plug the keyboard into that
port. Or find an old keyboard with that type of port.  See what happens.

B

> 
> On 31/01/2017 09:42, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
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> > On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 07:53:56PM +0100, Pierre Couderc wrote:
> >> On an old computer, with an USB keyboard, the install stops on the
> >> first screen.
> >>
> >> The keyboard is not active (but it works fine in the bios !).
> >>
> >> A similar problem is described in
> >> http://www.kasploosh.com/weblog/14000/14016-debian_jessie_usb_keyboard.html
> >>
> >> Is there a workaround ?
> > Besides Mark's hints, there might be a setting in BIOS which
> > more or less lets your OS believe there are traditional keyboard
> > and mice. Search for something something "legacy".
> >
> > Good luck

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#177181

On 01/31/2017 05:49 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Jan 2017 13:34:20 +0100 Pierre Couderc <pierre@couderc.eu>
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you. The computer is old, I do not see this option...
> If its an old computer ...  You're using a USB keyboard, right?  It
> probably has as "dedicated" keyboard port, probably circular.  (As well
> as one for the mouse.)  Get an adapter and plug the keyboard into that
> port. Or find an old keyboard with that type of port.  See what happens.
>
> B
Thank you Patrick, but it is not a hardware problem.

This PC was under XP and did work fine. It is a debian (or linux ..?) 
problem but more probably a problem of the ISO debian install disk.

>> On 31/01/2017 09:42, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
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>>> On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 07:53:56PM +0100, Pierre Couderc wrote:
>>>> On an old computer, with an USB keyboard, the install stops on the
>>>> first screen.
>>>>
>>>> The keyboard is not active (but it works fine in the bios !).
>>>>
>>>> A similar problem is described in
>>>> http://www.kasploosh.com/weblog/14000/14016-debian_jessie_usb_keyboard.html
>>>>
>>>> Is there a workaround ?
>>> Besides Mark's hints, there might be a setting in BIOS which
>>> more or less lets your OS believe there are traditional keyboard
>>> and mice. Search for something something "legacy".
>>>
>>> Good luck

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#177194

On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 06:20:29PM +0100, Pierre Couderc wrote:
> 
> 
> On 01/31/2017 05:49 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> >On Tue, 31 Jan 2017 13:34:20 +0100 Pierre Couderc <pierre@couderc.eu>
> >wrote:
> >
> >If its an old computer ...  You're using a USB keyboard, right?  It
> >probably has as "dedicated" keyboard port, probably circular.  (As well
> >as one for the mouse.)  Get an adapter and plug the keyboard into that
> >port. Or find an old keyboard with that type of port.  See what happens.
> >
> >B
> Thank you Patrick, but it is not a hardware problem.
> 
> This PC was under XP and did work fine. It is a debian (or linux ..?)
> problem but more probably a problem of the ISO debian install disk.
> 

Patrick is not suggesting that it is a hardware problem. To expand a 
little on what he said, if the computer is old, there is a possibility 
that USB is not supported by the BIOS and needs more of the operating 
system to be in place than is in place at the first steps of the 
install, in order for USB to work.

That, if true, would translate to the computer being too old to be able 
to use a USB keyboard, at least for installation (probably would be fine 
if you managed to get it installed because Linux bins the BIOS and 
interacts with the hardware without it). If the computer is old enough 
to have (usually blue and green) 6-pin mini-DIN (circular) plugs for 
keyboard and mouse on the back, and you have such a keyboard lying 
around, you could try plugging such a keyboard into those. Or Patrick 
also suggested a USB to mini-DIN adaptor which should be cheap and would 
get you past the installation stage. I wouldn't expect you to need it 
once installed -- your USB keyboard should work fine for normal use once 
installed.

In case you are inclined to start thinking down the path of "why is this 
necessary with Linux when it wasn't with Windows?", ask yourself, did 
you ever _install_ Windows from scratch on this machine? In all 
likelihood the answer is no, and if that is true then you have never 
seen the computer without an operating system handling everything, until 
now. I suggest that you would have seen the same problem with the early 
stages of a Windows install too.

I take it from the fact you haven't reported success that a Google 
search of the mailing list archives didn't turn anything relevant up? 
That surprises me, I feel like this problem is familiar, like it has 
been asked and answered before, although as I said unfortunately I don't 
remember details.

You can prove or eliminate this suggestion as the cause by the following 
simple test -- after you turn the computer on, do whatever it says on 
the screen or in the motherboard manual to enter the BIOS setup utility. 
Usually this involves hitting F1, F10, F12, Escape or some other key or 
combination of keys. Do this with your USB keyboard plugged in, and do 
it on the USB keyboard. If you can get the computer to respond to that, 
then your BIOS supports USB and we can forget about this and get back to 
figuring out why the early stages of the install aren't happy (please 
note, they work fine for others, including myself, so whatever it is it 
isn't a straightforward "Debian doesn't work" problem). In this case, 
the suggestion I made about kernel boot parameters is the best idea we 
have so far to work with and would bear further research. If you _can't_ 
get it to respond to those keypresses to enter the BIOS setup utility, 
then Patrick has guessed right and you should consider the advice in his 
and the rest of this mail more carefully.

HTH

Mark

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#177199

On 01/31/2017 11:49 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
> If you can get the computer to respond to that,
> then your BIOS supports USB ...

In my first post - that I thank you to have answered -, I reproduce it 
here :
<begin>
The keyboard is not active (but it works fine in the bios !).

A similar problem is described in 
http://www.kasploosh.com/weblog/14000/14016-debian_jessie_usb_keyboard.html
<end>
I did explain that the keyboard works under the BIOS !
(Anyway, I am nearly sure that linux does not use bios after booting...)

> and we can forget about this and get back to
> figuring out why the early stages of the install aren't happy (please
> note, they work fine for others, including myself, so whatever it is it
> isn't a straightforward "Debian doesn't work" problem).
Yes, I do not like the "Debian doesn't work"answer.. But it is not 
because it has worked for you that it works for all.
Anyway, I cannot says anything else that "when I put debian install 
disk, it does not work"....
> In this case,
> the suggestion I made about kernel boot parameters is the best idea we
> have so far to work with and would bear further research.
Yes, but I do not know how to change boot parameters. I put my CD in the 
reader and it boots before I can change anything...
Should I build my own install disk...?
I am still googling and have not soon found.

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#177205

> On Jan 31, 2017, at 6:47 PM, Pierre Couderc <pierre@couderc.eu> wrote:
> 
> In my first post

However you really never said what "old" means.
Can you please be more specific and post the details on this computer?

-H

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#177206

On Tue, 31 Jan 2017 18:20:29 +0100 Pierre Couderc <pierre@couderc.eu>
wrote:

> 
> 
> On 01/31/2017 05:49 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > On Tue, 31 Jan 2017 13:34:20 +0100 Pierre Couderc
> > <pierre@couderc.eu> wrote:
> >
> >> Thank you. The computer is old, I do not see this option...
> > If its an old computer ...  You're using a USB keyboard, right?  It
> > probably has as "dedicated" keyboard port, probably circular.  (As
> > well as one for the mouse.)  Get an adapter and plug the keyboard
> > into that port. Or find an old keyboard with that type of port.
> > See what happens.
> >
> > B
> Thank you Patrick, but it is not a hardware problem.

Try it anyway.  If it doesn't work, it doesn't work.

The reason I suggested it was years ago I had the same problem -- old
computer, modern USB keyboard.  The computer seemingly was designed to
use the keyboard in the dedicated keyboard port only.  Fortuantely, the
keyboard had come with the appropriate adapter.  I plugged it in and
everything worked.  FWIW: the keyboard NEVER worked using the USB port.
even after I installed Linux.  Have forgotten which distro.

B

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#177211

On 02/01/2017 02:28 AM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Jan 2017 18:20:29 +0100 Pierre Couderc <pierre@couderc.eu>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 01/31/2017 05:49 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
>>> On Tue, 31 Jan 2017 13:34:20 +0100 Pierre Couderc
>>> <pierre@couderc.eu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank you. The computer is old, I do not see this option...
>>> If its an old computer ...  You're using a USB keyboard, right?  It
>>> probably has as "dedicated" keyboard port, probably circular.  (As
>>> well as one for the mouse.)  Get an adapter and plug the keyboard
>>> into that port. Or find an old keyboard with that type of port.
>>> See what happens.
>>>
>>> B
>> Thank you Patrick, but it is not a hardware problem.
> Try it anyway.  If it doesn't work, it doesn't work.
>
> The reason I suggested it was years ago I had the same problem -- old
> computer, modern USB keyboard.  The computer seemingly was designed to
> use the keyboard in the dedicated keyboard port only.  Fortuantely, the
> keyboard had come with the appropriate adapter.  I plugged it in and
> everything worked.  FWIW: the keyboard NEVER worked using the USB port.
> even after I installed Linux.  Have forgotten which distro.
>
> B
>
Well, this is not my problem, as the USB keyboard works for Windows AND 
in the BIOS !
Anyway, you are right, I shall try that (if I can find an old PS2 
keyboard !) in case it solves the problem without further searching : 
this computer is a gift to an non profit association.
But, I do not like to not understand !

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On Wed, Feb 01, 2017 at 07:56:32AM +0100, Pierre Couderc wrote:
> 
> 
> On 02/01/2017 02:28 AM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> >On Tue, 31 Jan 2017 18:20:29 +0100 Pierre Couderc <pierre@couderc.eu>
> >wrote:

[...]

> >>Thank you Patrick, but it is not a hardware problem.
> >Try it anyway.  If it doesn't work, it doesn't work.
> >
> >The reason I suggested it was years ago I had the same problem -- old
> >computer, modern USB keyboard [...]

> Well, this is not my problem, as the USB keyboard works for Windows
> AND in the BIOS !
> Anyway, you are right, I shall try that (if I can find an old PS2
> keyboard !) in case it solves the problem without further searching
> : this computer is a gift to an non profit association.
> But, I do not like to not understand !

Again: nobody is suggesting it's a hardware problem. Just that we
suspect that you *can* convince your BIOS to "simulate" a traditional
keyboard, just for GRUB. Once the full linux is up and running,
USB is not that much of a problem.

So the questions there ("BIOS?", "PS/2 interface?") are not because
people here don't know what they are doing, but rather to get a feeling
on what kind of machine we have.

Machines having USB *and* PS/2 keyboard interface almost surely have
a way to set "legacy peripherals" in BIOS (this was the transition
period) *except* the very first ones. But if the BIOS itself works
with USB, then... nearly sure.

But if you want to know, here are some links for you:

 https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2226621
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub/+bug/60177
 http://askubuntu.com/questions/423036/grub-not-responding-to-keyboard
 http://askubuntu.com/questions/59372/grub-loader-and-usb-keyboard
 https://www.mail-archive.com/bug-grub@gnu.org/msg05653.html
 http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/usb-keyboard-not-working-no-bios-no-grub-menu-selection-4175518913/
 http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/grub-and-usb-keyboards-432135-print/
 https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2269776

Enjoy :-)

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#177233

On 02/01/2017 11:00 AM, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
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> On Wed, Feb 01, 2017 at 07:56:32AM +0100, Pierre Couderc wrote:
>>
>> On 02/01/2017 02:28 AM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
>>> On Tue, 31 Jan 2017 18:20:29 +0100 Pierre Couderc <pierre@couderc.eu>
>>> wrote:
> [...]
>
>>>> Thank you Patrick, but it is not a hardware problem.
>>> Try it anyway.  If it doesn't work, it doesn't work.
>>>
>>> The reason I suggested it was years ago I had the same problem -- old
>>> computer, modern USB keyboard [...]
>> Well, this is not my problem, as the USB keyboard works for Windows
>> AND in the BIOS !
>> Anyway, you are right, I shall try that (if I can find an old PS2
>> keyboard !) in case it solves the problem without further searching
>> : this computer is a gift to an non profit association.
>> But, I do not like to not understand !
> Again: nobody is suggesting it's a hardware problem. Just that we
> suspect that you *can* convince your BIOS to "simulate" a traditional
> keyboard, just for GRUB. Once the full linux is up and running,
> USB is not that much of a problem.
>
> So the questions there ("BIOS?", "PS/2 interface?") are not because
> people here don't know what they are doing, but rather to get a feeling
> on what kind of machine we have.
>
> Machines having USB *and* PS/2 keyboard interface almost surely have
> a way to set "legacy peripherals" in BIOS (this was the transition
> period) *except* the very first ones. But if the BIOS itself works
> with USB, then... nearly sure.
>
> But if you want to know, here are some links for you:
>
>   https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2226621
>   https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub/+bug/60177
>   http://askubuntu.com/questions/423036/grub-not-responding-to-keyboard
>   http://askubuntu.com/questions/59372/grub-loader-and-usb-keyboard
>   https://www.mail-archive.com/bug-grub@gnu.org/msg05653.html
>   http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/usb-keyboard-not-working-no-bios-no-grub-menu-selection-4175518913/
>   http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/grub-and-usb-keyboards-432135-print/
>   https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2269776
>
> Enjoy :-)
>
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I am obliged to stop the search to not spend my life on this problem...
I did use the workaround given by Patrick : I did success finding an old 
PS2 keyboard (it is not so easy in a small town...) and now I can install...
I think that the legacy option may be a solution, but now I do not 
success to enter the BIOS again...
Anyway, I do not understand why the BIOS is  able to work with this USB 
keyboard and the iso debian install disk is not...
But, I can live without understanding.

Thank you all, now I can install...
PC

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