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| Started by | "D. R. Evans" <doc.evans@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2016-10-27 01:50 +0200 |
| Last post | 2016-10-27 20:30 +0200 |
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[jessie] recording line-in using ALSA? "D. R. Evans" <doc.evans@gmail.com> - 2016-10-27 01:50 +0200
Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-10-27 08:40 +0200
Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA? "D. R. Evans" <doc.evans@gmail.com> - 2016-10-27 20:10 +0200
Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-10-27 20:20 +0200
[SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA? "D. R. Evans" <doc.evans@gmail.com> - 2016-10-27 22:00 +0200
Re: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA? Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2016-10-28 05:50 +0200
Re: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-10-28 23:50 +0200
Re: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA? Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2016-10-29 18:40 +0200
Re: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA? Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2016-10-29 19:10 +0200
Re: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-10-29 20:00 +0200
Re: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA? Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2016-10-29 21:00 +0200
Re: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-10-29 21:40 +0200
Re: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-10-29 23:10 +0200
Re: [OT] Sorry state of hplip (was: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA?) Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2016-10-29 23:30 +0200
Re: [OT] Sorry state of hplip (was: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA?) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-10-29 23:40 +0200
Re: [OT] Sorry state of hplip (was: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA?) Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-10-30 15:30 +0100
Re: [OT] Sorry state of hplip (was: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA?) Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2016-10-30 16:30 +0100
Re: [OT] Sorry state of hplip (was: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA?) Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-10-30 18:20 +0100
Re: [OT] Sorry state of hplip (was: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA?) Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2016-10-31 15:20 +0100
Re: [OT] Sorry state of hplip (was: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA?) Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-10-31 16:20 +0100
Re: [OT] Sorry state of hplip (was: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA?) Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2016-10-31 16:50 +0100
Re: [OT] Sorry state of hplip (was: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA?) Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-10-31 19:50 +0100
Re: [OT] Sorry state of hplip (was: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA?) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-10-30 20:00 +0100
Re: [OT] Sorry state of hplip (was: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA?) Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-10-30 20:50 +0100
Re: [OT] Sorry state of hplip (was: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA?) Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2016-10-31 14:20 +0100
Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-10-27 20:30 +0200
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| From | Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> |
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| Date | 2016-10-31 16:50 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Sorry state of hplip (was: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA?) |
| Message-ID | <syn0u-4i5-17@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #174080 |
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On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 05:11:34PM +0300, Reco wrote: > Other convenience scripts of similar nature get their own packages and > put into 'contrib'. The ones you have mentioned already (b43-fwcutter, flashplugin-nonfree and ttf-mscorefonts-installer) do nothing useful without additional, non-free bits, which is why they are in contrib. E.g. flashplugin-nonfree is useless without the non-free flash bits it downloads. It sounds like hp-plugin in isolation is similar, and would fit the bill for contrib; however, if a hypothetical separate hp-plugin package would depend on the hplip package which it is carried in now, then it's reasonably pragmatic for the hplip package to just carry the script, since the majority of functionality offered by the hplip package still does not require the non-free bits. On the other hand, if that script is the sole reason for the Python dependencies, then it would be a service to other users to split out that script for that reason. The place to start would be checking for, and if necessary filing, a wishlist bug. There is a cost involved in having lots of small packages, that we all pay in terms of the size of the distribution Packages list, and the additional complexity of managing the source packages for developers and the bugs that would result. -- Jonathan Dowland Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-10-31 19:50 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Sorry state of hplip (was: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA?) |
| Message-ID | <sypOG-694-19@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #174085 |
On Mon 31 Oct 2016 at 15:44:37 +0000, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 05:11:34PM +0300, Reco wrote: > > Other convenience scripts of similar nature get their own packages and > > put into 'contrib'. > > The ones you have mentioned already (b43-fwcutter, flashplugin-nonfree and > ttf-mscorefonts-installer) do nothing useful without additional, non-free > bits, which is why they are in contrib. E.g. flashplugin-nonfree is useless > without the non-free flash bits it downloads. It sounds like hp-plugin in > isolation is similar, and would fit the bill for contrib; however, if a > hypothetical separate hp-plugin package would depend on the hplip package > which it is carried in now, then it's reasonably pragmatic for the hplip > package to just carry the script, since the majority of functionality > offered by the hplip package still does not require the non-free bits. This is the crux of the matter. The *sole* reason for the existence of 43-fwcutter, flashplugin-nonfree and ttf-mscorefonts-installer is to download non-free blobs/software. That is why they are in contrib. HPLIP does not exist for the *sole* purpose of downloading non-free items. hp-plugin is a convenience script for users. We would be doing them and Debian a great disservice by removing it from the package. In case you think we have not been here before there is #449497. In that case the Release Team and the Technical Committee came down on the side of the maintainer. Anyone who wants to chance their arm with this today has precedent to overcome. > On the other hand, if that script is the sole reason for the Python > dependencies, then it would be a service to other users to split out that > script for that reason. The place to start would be checking for, and if > necessary filing, a wishlist bug. The script is not the sole reason for the Python dependencies. > There is a cost involved in having lots of small packages, that we all pay in > terms of the size of the distribution Packages list, and the additional > complexity of managing the source packages for developers and the bugs that > would result. That is another good reason. hp-plugin is free. HPLIP is free; no non-free stuff is included in it. What a users do is up to them. -- Brian.
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| From | deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-30 20:00 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Sorry state of hplip (was: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA?) |
| Message-ID | <sy3uO-8oV-13@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #174038 |
IMO hplip also supports multifunction devices. If you want to use HP device only for printing ... non of this is required. If you want to do a scanning etc it is understandable that a kind of gui has to be provided. It is funny to read your arguments while you are sliding into the Ric's "I think it should" way. regards
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-10-30 20:50 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Sorry state of hplip (was: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA?) |
| Message-ID | <sy4hb-t0-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #174059 |
On Sun 30 Oct 2016 at 19:58:19 +0100, deloptes wrote: > IMO hplip also supports multifunction devices. Correct. > If you want to use HP device only for printing ... non of this is required. Correct. It can, however, depend on which backend you want to send data to the printer if you are fussy. > If you want to do a scanning etc it is understandable that a kind of gui has > to be provided. There is no problem with scanning to an aio without HPLIP. It depends on how you go about it. The packaging has been devised to accomodate this (but it appears to be a source for complaint). -- Brian.
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| From | Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-31 14:20 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Sorry state of hplip (was: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA?) |
| Message-ID | <sykFk-2Tc-27@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #174059 |
Hi. On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 07:58:19PM +0100, deloptes wrote: > IMO hplip also supports multifunction devices. Yup. Happen to have one of those. > If you want to use HP device only for printing ... non of this is required. And if I do want to use an HP device for scanning I need libsane-hpaio, SANE itself and a hueg pile of none-free blobs. First two are provided by Debian, last one by openprinting.org. What I do not need for scanning is hplip (as in - Debian package of that name). Simply because there's nothing that does actual scanning in that package. I haven't try to use the thing as a fax (manual states it's possible), so maybe I need 'hplip' for that. I have my doubts on this though. > If you want to do a scanning etc it is understandable that a kind of gui has > to be provided. Stock xsane or any other sane-based application or even GIMP should fill the role. But I agree that there may be someone that actually uses all this stuff in 'hplip' for scanning. Yet another reason to split it in a different package. > It is funny to read your arguments while you are sliding into the Ric's "I > think it should" way. Nobody's perfect (no offence meant to Ric), certainly not me. Reco
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| From | deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-27 20:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <swXB7-5us-17@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #173907 |
Sorry I forgot to mention the Recording tab in pavucontrol. If you have multiple cards, you may need to select the proper one. Here I have 2.0-3 and this is only possible when recording is in progress. It took me while to find this out. regards
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