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[jessie] recording line-in using ALSA?

Started by"D. R. Evans" <doc.evans@gmail.com>
First post2016-10-27 01:50 +0200
Last post2016-10-27 20:30 +0200
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  [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA? "D. R. Evans" <doc.evans@gmail.com> - 2016-10-27 01:50 +0200
    Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-10-27 08:40 +0200
      Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA? "D. R. Evans" <doc.evans@gmail.com> - 2016-10-27 20:10 +0200
        Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-10-27 20:20 +0200
          [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA? "D. R. Evans" <doc.evans@gmail.com> - 2016-10-27 22:00 +0200
            Re: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA? Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2016-10-28 05:50 +0200
              Re: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-10-28 23:50 +0200
                Re: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA? Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2016-10-29 18:40 +0200
                  Re: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA? Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2016-10-29 19:10 +0200
                    Re: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-10-29 20:00 +0200
                      Re: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA? Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2016-10-29 21:00 +0200
                        Re: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-10-29 21:40 +0200
                          Re: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-10-29 23:10 +0200
                          Re: [OT] Sorry state of hplip (was: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording  line-in using ALSA?) Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2016-10-29 23:30 +0200
                            Re: [OT] Sorry state of hplip (was: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA?) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-10-29 23:40 +0200
                            Re: [OT] Sorry state of hplip (was: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording  line-in using ALSA?) Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-10-30 15:30 +0100
                              Re: [OT] Sorry state of hplip (was: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording  line-in using ALSA?) Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2016-10-30 16:30 +0100
                                Re: [OT] Sorry state of hplip (was: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording  line-in using ALSA?) Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-10-30 18:20 +0100
                                  Re: [OT] Sorry state of hplip (was: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording  line-in using ALSA?) Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2016-10-31 15:20 +0100
                                    Re: [OT] Sorry state of hplip (was: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording  line-in using ALSA?) Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-10-31 16:20 +0100
                                    Re: [OT] Sorry state of hplip (was: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording  line-in using ALSA?) Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2016-10-31 16:50 +0100
                                      Re: [OT] Sorry state of hplip (was: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording  line-in using ALSA?) Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-10-31 19:50 +0100
                                Re: [OT] Sorry state of hplip (was: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA?) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-10-30 20:00 +0100
                                  Re: [OT] Sorry state of hplip (was: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording  line-in using ALSA?) Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-10-30 20:50 +0100
                                  Re: [OT] Sorry state of hplip (was: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording  line-in using ALSA?) Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2016-10-31 14:20 +0100
        Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-10-27 20:30 +0200

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#174085 — Re: [OT] Sorry state of hplip (was: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA?)

FromJonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org>
Date2016-10-31 16:50 +0100
SubjectRe: [OT] Sorry state of hplip (was: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA?)
Message-ID<syn0u-4i5-17@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#174080

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On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 05:11:34PM +0300, Reco wrote:
> Other convenience scripts of similar nature get their own packages and
> put into 'contrib'.

The ones you have mentioned already (b43-fwcutter, flashplugin-nonfree and
ttf-mscorefonts-installer) do nothing useful without additional, non-free
bits, which is why they are in contrib. E.g. flashplugin-nonfree is useless
without the non-free flash bits it downloads. It sounds like hp-plugin in
isolation is similar, and would fit the bill for contrib; however, if a
hypothetical separate hp-plugin package would depend on the hplip package
which it is carried in now, then it's reasonably pragmatic for the hplip
package to just carry the script, since the majority of functionality
offered by the hplip package still does not require the non-free bits.

On the other hand, if that script is the sole reason for the Python
dependencies, then it would be a service to other users to split out that
script for that reason. The place to start would be checking for, and if
necessary filing, a wishlist bug.

There is a cost involved in having lots of small packages, that we all pay in
terms of the size of the distribution Packages list, and the additional
complexity of managing the source packages for developers and the bugs that
would result.

-- 
Jonathan Dowland
Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

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#174090 — Re: [OT] Sorry state of hplip (was: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA?)

FromBrian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk>
Date2016-10-31 19:50 +0100
SubjectRe: [OT] Sorry state of hplip (was: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA?)
Message-ID<sypOG-694-19@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#174085
On Mon 31 Oct 2016 at 15:44:37 +0000, Jonathan Dowland wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 05:11:34PM +0300, Reco wrote:
> > Other convenience scripts of similar nature get their own packages and
> > put into 'contrib'.
> 
> The ones you have mentioned already (b43-fwcutter, flashplugin-nonfree and
> ttf-mscorefonts-installer) do nothing useful without additional, non-free
> bits, which is why they are in contrib. E.g. flashplugin-nonfree is useless
> without the non-free flash bits it downloads. It sounds like hp-plugin in
> isolation is similar, and would fit the bill for contrib; however, if a
> hypothetical separate hp-plugin package would depend on the hplip package
> which it is carried in now, then it's reasonably pragmatic for the hplip
> package to just carry the script, since the majority of functionality
> offered by the hplip package still does not require the non-free bits.

This is the crux of the matter. The *sole* reason for the existence of
43-fwcutter, flashplugin-nonfree and ttf-mscorefonts-installer is to
download non-free blobs/software. That is why they are in contrib.

HPLIP does not exist for the *sole* purpose of downloading non-free
items. hp-plugin is a convenience script for users. We would be doing
them and Debian a great disservice by removing it from the package.

In case you think we have not been here before there is #449497. In that
case the Release Team and the Technical Committee came down on the side
of the maintainer. Anyone who wants to chance their arm with this today
has precedent to overcome.

> On the other hand, if that script is the sole reason for the Python
> dependencies, then it would be a service to other users to split out that
> script for that reason. The place to start would be checking for, and if
> necessary filing, a wishlist bug.

The script is not the sole reason for the Python dependencies.

> There is a cost involved in having lots of small packages, that we all pay in
> terms of the size of the distribution Packages list, and the additional
> complexity of managing the source packages for developers and the bugs that
> would result.

That is another good reason. hp-plugin is free. HPLIP is free; no
non-free stuff is included in it. What a users do is up to them.

-- 
Brian.

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#174059 — Re: [OT] Sorry state of hplip (was: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA?)

Fromdeloptes <deloptes@gmail.com>
Date2016-10-30 20:00 +0100
SubjectRe: [OT] Sorry state of hplip (was: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA?)
Message-ID<sy3uO-8oV-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#174038
IMO hplip also supports multifunction devices.
If you want to use HP device only for printing ... non of this is required.
If you want to do a scanning etc it is understandable that a kind of gui has
to be provided.

It is funny to read your arguments while you are sliding into the Ric's "I
think it should" way.

regards

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#174060 — Re: [OT] Sorry state of hplip (was: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA?)

FromBrian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk>
Date2016-10-30 20:50 +0100
SubjectRe: [OT] Sorry state of hplip (was: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA?)
Message-ID<sy4hb-t0-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#174059
On Sun 30 Oct 2016 at 19:58:19 +0100, deloptes wrote:

> IMO hplip also supports multifunction devices.

Correct.

> If you want to use HP device only for printing ... non of this is required.

Correct. It can, however, depend on which backend you want to send data
to the printer if you are fussy.

> If you want to do a scanning etc it is understandable that a kind of gui has
> to be provided.

There is no problem with scanning to an aio without HPLIP. It depends
on how you go about it. The packaging has been devised to accomodate
this (but it appears to be a source for complaint).

-- 
Brian.

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#174078 — Re: [OT] Sorry state of hplip (was: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA?)

FromReco <recoverym4n@gmail.com>
Date2016-10-31 14:20 +0100
SubjectRe: [OT] Sorry state of hplip (was: [SOLVED] Re: [jessie] recording line-in using ALSA?)
Message-ID<sykFk-2Tc-27@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#174059
	Hi.

On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 07:58:19PM +0100, deloptes wrote:
> IMO hplip also supports multifunction devices.

Yup. Happen to have one of those.


> If you want to use HP device only for printing ... non of this is required.

And if I do want to use an HP device for scanning I need libsane-hpaio,
SANE itself and a hueg pile of none-free blobs. First two are provided by
Debian, last one by openprinting.org.

What I do not need for scanning is hplip (as in - Debian package of that
name). Simply because there's nothing that does actual scanning in that
package.

I haven't try to use the thing as a fax (manual states it's possible),
so maybe I need 'hplip' for that. I have my doubts on this though.


> If you want to do a scanning etc it is understandable that a kind of gui has
> to be provided.

Stock xsane or any other sane-based application or even GIMP should fill
the role. But I agree that there may be someone that actually uses all
this stuff in 'hplip' for scanning. Yet another reason to split it in a
different package.


> It is funny to read your arguments while you are sliding into the Ric's "I
> think it should" way.

Nobody's perfect (no offence meant to Ric), certainly not me.

Reco

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#173909

Fromdeloptes <deloptes@gmail.com>
Date2016-10-27 20:30 +0200
Message-ID<swXB7-5us-17@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#173907
Sorry I forgot to mention the Recording tab in pavucontrol. If you have
multiple cards, you may need to select the proper one. Here I have 2.0-3
and this is only possible when recording is in progress.
It took me while to find this out.

regards

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