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Nvida Legacy 304 Catastrophe

Started byDavid Baron <dbaron770@gmail.com>
First post2016-10-09 12:20 +0200
Last post2016-10-10 13:00 +0200
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  Nvida Legacy 304 Catastrophe David Baron <dbaron770@gmail.com> - 2016-10-09 12:20 +0200
    Re: Nvida Legacy 304 Catastrophe Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-10-09 19:10 +0200
      Re: Nvida Legacy 304 Catastrophe David Baron <dbaron770@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 09:10 +0200
        Re: Nvida Legacy 304 Catastrophe Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2016-10-10 10:10 +0200
          Re: Nvida Legacy 304 Catastrophe David Baron <dbaron770@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 11:20 +0200
            Re: Nvida Legacy 304 Catastrophe Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2016-10-10 12:40 +0200
              Re: Nvida Legacy 304 Catastrophe David Baron <dbaron770@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 16:30 +0200
                Re: Nvida Legacy 304 Catastrophe Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> - 2016-10-10 16:50 +0200
            Re: Nvida Legacy 304 Catastrophe deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 13:00 +0200

#173343 — Nvida Legacy 304 Catastrophe

FromDavid Baron <dbaron770@gmail.com>
Date2016-10-09 12:20 +0200
SubjectNvida Legacy 304 Catastrophe
Message-ID<sqjn3-2WV-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
These packages upgraded (though they seem no longer on Debian!). The upgrades 
would not play with opengl2 so plasma would no longer run. Downgrading to 
testing, due to partial removal from the repos, proved impossible. No more 
means to file bugs, either!

So I uninstalled them, went back to Nouveaux (which I might even prefer). 
Plasmashell is unstable, crashes and restarts, and multiple session will not 
work. Could live the a single-session if that be stable.

There had been problems with firefox in nouveaux last year.

What to do about all this?

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#173358

FromFelix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net>
Date2016-10-09 19:10 +0200
Message-ID<sqpLQ-6Yo-21@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#173343
David Baron composed on 2016-10-09 13:17 (UTC+0300):

> These packages upgraded (though they seem no longer on Debian!). The upgrades
> would not play with opengl2 so plasma would no longer run. Downgrading to
> testing, due to partial removal from the repos, proved impossible. No more
> means to file bugs, either!
 
> So I uninstalled them, went back to Nouveaux (which I might even prefer).
> Plasmashell is unstable, crashes and restarts, and multiple session will not
> work. Could live the a single-session if that be stable.
 
> There had been problems with firefox in nouveaux last year.

> What to do about all this?

Show us output from 'lspci | grep VGA'

If output includes 6150SE, try adding nouveau.config=NvMSI=0 to
kernel cmdline.

Show us output from 'inxi -Fz'

Show us /var/log/Xorg.0.log

Ensure all traces of NVidia driver are purged, including
/etc/X11/xorg.conf which for most people with most gfxchips using
FOSS drivers has not been necessary for several Debian generations.
With proprietary NVidia driver never having been installed, lsmod
output should resemble the following with legacy geforce gfxcard:

button                 12944  1 nouveau
drm                   249998  5 ttm,drm_kms_helper,nouveau
drm_kms_helper         49210  1 nouveau
i2c_algo_bit           12751  1 nouveau
i2c_core               46012  5 drm,i2c_i801,drm_kms_helper,i2c_algo_bit,nouveau
mxm_wmi                12515  1 nouveau
nouveau              1122508  2 
ttm                    77862  1 nouveau
video                  18096  1 nouveau
wmi                    17339  2 mxm_wmi,nouveau

Ensure kernel cmdline does not include nomodeset.

Ensure nothing to do with nouveau is blacklisted.

If a thorough nvidia purge is insufficient, you might try purging
xserver-xorg-video-nouveau. In Debian Testing and Unstable, this
should cause use of Xorg's built-in modesetting driver. See:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-Debian-Abandon-Intel-DDX
-- 
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words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

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#173369

FromDavid Baron <dbaron770@gmail.com>
Date2016-10-10 09:10 +0200
Message-ID<sqCSK-6H1-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On יום ראשון, 9 באוקטובר 2016 13:03:24 IDT Felix Miata wrote:
> David Baron composed on 2016-10-09 13:17 (UTC+0300):
> > These packages upgraded (though they seem no longer on Debian!). The
> > upgrades would not play with opengl2 so plasma would no longer run.
> > Downgrading to testing, due to partial removal from the repos, proved
> > impossible. No more means to file bugs, either!
> > 
> > So I uninstalled them, went back to Nouveaux (which I might even prefer).
> > Plasmashell is unstable, crashes and restarts, and multiple session will
> > not work. Could live the a single-session if that be stable.
> > 
> > There had been problems with firefox in nouveaux last year.
> > 
> > What to do about all this?
> 
> Show us output from 'lspci | grep VGA'
> 
> If output includes 6150SE, try adding nouveau.config=NvMSI=0 to
> kernel cmdline.

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation NV44 [GeForce 6200 
TurboCache] (rev a1)

so no 6150SE.
Note that one of the "new problems" is that when I attempt to run a second KDE 
plasma  session, the system hangs with NMI watchdog warnings.

> 
> Show us output from 'inxi -Fz'
Do  not have an inxi
> 
> Show us /var/log/Xorg.0.log
attached.

> Ensure all traces of NVidia driver are purged, including
> /etc/X11/xorg.conf which for most people with most gfxchips using
> FOSS drivers has not been necessary for several Debian generations.

No xorg.conf, as said, no longer needed or relevant.

> With proprietary NVidia driver never having been installed, lsmod
> output should resemble the following with legacy geforce gfxcard:
> 
> button                 12944  1 nouveau
> drm                   249998  5 ttm,drm_kms_helper,nouveau
> drm_kms_helper         49210  1 nouveau
> i2c_algo_bit           12751  1 nouveau
> i2c_core               46012  5
No 'core' entry.
> drm,i2c_i801,drm_kms_helper,i2c_algo_bit,nouveau mxm_wmi               
> 12515  1 nouveau
> nouveau              1122508  2
> ttm                    77862  1 nouveau
> video                  18096  1 nouveau
> wmi                    17339  2 mxm_wmi,nouveau
> 
> Ensure kernel cmdline does not include nomodeset.
> 
Nomodeset. Once used this for a boot=time which between nvidia and nouveau. I 
had to test that to swap in and  out xorg.conf versions but might  wish to now 
attempt such magic by swapping in and out the nouveau blacklist file. If I had 
working nvidia drivers.

> Ensure nothing to do with nouveau is blacklisted.
> 
Removed several copies of that file.

> If a thorough nvidia purge is insufficient, you might try purging
> xserver-xorg-video-nouveau. In Debian Testing and Unstable, this
> should cause use of Xorg's built-in modesetting driver. See:
> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-Debian-Abandon-Int
> el-DDX

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#173374

FromBrad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk>
Date2016-10-10 10:10 +0200
Message-ID<sqDON-7eY-15@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 10:07:49 +0300
David Baron <dbaron770@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello David,

>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation NV44 [GeForce
>6200 TurboCache] (rev a1)

If that's the card you're using, why are you using the 304 legacy
version of the nVidia drivers?  That card is supported by the latest
driver.  At least that's my understanding from the relevant read.me
in/usr/share/doc/nvidia-drivers.

I'm using that driver myself, albeit with a different card, hence my
having the read.me installed.

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        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
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#173376

FromDavid Baron <dbaron770@gmail.com>
Date2016-10-10 11:20 +0200
Message-ID<sqEUy-7Qj-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#173374
On יום שני, 10 באוקטובר 2016 9:07:33 IDT Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 10:07:49 +0300
> David Baron <dbaron770@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello David,
> 
> >01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation NV44 [GeForce
> >6200 TurboCache] (rev a1)
> 
> If that's the card you're using, why are you using the 304 legacy
> version of the nVidia drivers?  That card is supported by the latest
> driver.  At least that's my understanding from the relevant read.me
> in/usr/share/doc/nvidia-drivers.
> 
> I'm using that driver myself, albeit with a different card, hence my
> having the read.me installed.

~$ nvidia-detect 
Detected NVIDIA GPUs:
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation NV44 [GeForce 
6200 TurboCache] [10de:0161] (rev a1)

Checking card:  NVIDIA Corporation NV44 [GeForce 6200 TurboCache] (rev a1)
Your card is only supported up to the 304 legacy drivers series.
It is recommended to install the
    nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver
package

Along with other documentation I have seen. Would love to use the latest and 
greatest rather than legacy excuses.

Since I uninstalled the 304, maybe send me your documentation.

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#173377

FromBrad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk>
Date2016-10-10 12:40 +0200
Message-ID<sqG9X-7J-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 12:17:58 +0300
David Baron <dbaron770@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello David,

>Since I uninstalled the 304, maybe send me your documentation.

Embarrassing 'egg on face' moment coming up:  I *was* misreading the
documentation.  The file I mentioned has a section detailing what
supported by which drivers.  It's in the legacy 304 section that your
chipset is listed.  I didn't check carefully enough first time round.

My apologies if I got your hopes up.

-- 
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         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
Loaded like a freight train flyin' like an aeroplane
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#173391

FromDavid Baron <dbaron770@gmail.com>
Date2016-10-10 16:30 +0200
Message-ID<sqJKy-2la-25@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#173377
On יום שני, 10 באוקטובר 2016 11:25:42 IDT Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 12:17:58 +0300
> David Baron <dbaron770@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello David,
> 
> >Since I uninstalled the 304, maybe send me your documentation.
> 
> Embarrassing 'egg on face' moment coming up:  I *was* misreading the
> documentation.  The file I mentioned has a section detailing what
> supported by which drivers.  It's in the legacy 304 section that your
> chipset is listed.  I didn't check carefully enough first time round.
> 
> My apologies if I got your hopes up.

Tried it before getting this. Simply did not work
Going back to nouveau hung up very quickly
So reinstalled sid legacy-304xx. Compiled this time (not for -rt but this is 
known).
My kdm splash screen resolution bollixed up. Had to redo all my desktops. Big 
pain. Have to resize all my fonts as well.

Otherwise, after a day wasted, working again.

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#173393

FromHans <hans.ullrich@loop.de>
Date2016-10-10 16:50 +0200
Message-ID<sqK3U-2rp-25@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#173391
> My kdm splash screen resolution bollixed up. Had to redo all my desktops.
> Big pain. Have to resize all my fonts as well.
> 
The Windowmanagers settings are changed, when using nouveau instead of the 
prprietrary nvidia driver. This is, what I found out. However, same, when you 
now reuse the nouveau driver.

In case, the debian driver fails, or will be sometimes removed from the repo 
(as this is done for my old GF5700Ultra Nvidia card), you could try the 
drivers from the nvidia site. Before using them, remove all debian-nvidia 
stuff!

However, it may be, that those drivers cannot be build any more, like it is 
with legacy drivers for my old 5700Ultra. Then you are lost! 

Good luck!

Hans

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#173378

Fromdeloptes <deloptes@gmail.com>
Date2016-10-10 13:00 +0200
Message-ID<sqGtj-eh-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#173376
David Baron wrote:

> Along with other documentation I have seen. Would love to use the latest
> and greatest rather than legacy excuses.

>From my experience with nvidia you have to install the version that supports
your hardware be it legacy or not.

regards

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