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  Stretch Installation Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> - 2016-10-04 07:10 +0200
    Re: Stretch Installation Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-10-04 08:10 +0200
      Re: Stretch Installation Mark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com> - 2016-10-04 16:50 +0200
    Re: Stretch Installation kamaraju kusumanchi <raju.mailinglists@gmail.com> - 2016-10-05 05:20 +0200

#173174 — Stretch Installation

Hey, guys and gals.  I have been a Debian user since about 7.6 or so, 
and currently am running jessie (8.6), and am satisfied with Debian and 
the Debian philosophy.  The only quibble I have had is with the slow 
schedule for getting newly updated/released software into the 
distribution.  I understand the reasoning, and for the most part have 
been content with waiting.

So, I decided to try an installation of Stretch to get a little ahead of 
the curve.  I had/have several problems with that installation, so much 
so that the installation is basically minimally or unusable. This is not 
a big surprise, which is why I installed Stretch on a separate 
partition, retaining my Jessie installation completely intact.

The first of the problems with the Stretch installation rendered it 
unbootable, though I had a fair idea as to what that problem was and was 
able to get the system to the point where it will boot and allow 
logins.  What I would like to do is get in touch (probably off-list) 
with the various people working on Stretch and help work on solving the 
issues I have and am experiencing.  This, of course, will involve filing 
bug reports, but I want to make sure that those reports are filed on the 
appropriate packages and with sufficient information to help in tracking 
down the problems.  I would also be interested in checking/testing any 
proposed solutions to those problems.  I do not have a lot of time, 
unfortunately, to actually do much debugging and/or patch developing, 
though I do have the programming skill necessary to do such had I had 
the time and familiarity with the packages involved.  So, the question 
is, who do I need to be in touch with and in what forum to participate 
in the development process as outlined above?


-- 
73's
Mike, WB5VQX

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#173175

Michael Milliman composed on 2016-10-04 00:06 (UTC-0500):

> ...who do I need to be in touch with and in what forum to participate
> in the development process as outlined above?

Debian is mainly about packaging, not "developing" software, so the best 
answer might depend on which DM/DE/desktop, CPU, chipset and gfxcard you run. 
Offer up motherboard model, lspci output, /var/log/Xorg.0.log, 'inxi -Fz' 
output, and your DE of choice, as a start.
-- 
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words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

  Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

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#173183

On Tue, Oct 04, 2016 at 02:01:30AM -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
> Michael Milliman composed on 2016-10-04 00:06 (UTC-0500):
> 
> >...who do I need to be in touch with and in what forum to participate
> >in the development process as outlined above?
> 
> Debian is mainly about packaging, not "developing" software, so the best
> answer might depend on which DM/DE/desktop, CPU, chipset and gfxcard you
> run. Offer up motherboard model, lspci output, /var/log/Xorg.0.log, 'inxi
> -Fz' output, and your DE of choice, as a start.
> -- 

In other words, this mailing list actually isn't a horrendously bad 
place to start. Many denizens of this list are familiar with many parts 
of Debian, and some package maintainers make the occasional cameo 
appearance too.

Another thing that can help with the "Which package?" question is to 
install apt-file and periodicaly run apt-file update. Then, you can do:

apt-file search <path/to/file>

for any file on your system and it will tell you which package that file 
came from.

You can also do 

apt-file show <package>

to see what files will be put where if you install a given package. One 
slight disadvantage of that is that is is doing a simple regular 
expression match on the package name, so when one package name is a 
substring of another, and you search for the shorter of the two, both 
will be listed.

Still very useful tricks to know, I have often found.

Mark

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#173197

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 1:06 AM, Michael Milliman
<michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The first of the problems with the Stretch installation rendered it
> unbootable, though I had a fair idea as to what that problem was and was
> able to get the system to the point where it will boot and allow logins.
> What I would like to do is get in touch (probably off-list) with the various
> people working on Stretch and help work on solving the issues I have and am
> experiencing.

This mailing list is as good as any. It is better to avoid private
discussions as others might also benefit from your discussion (ex:-
when searching through archives).

> This, of course, will involve filing bug reports, but I want
> to make sure that those reports are filed on the appropriate packages and
> with sufficient information to help in tracking down the problems.

Use the reportbug tool to report bugs. That application will gather
all the system level information, versions of installed dependencies
etc., If you are unsure which package is responsible, a good starting
point is to figure out a way to consistently reproduce the bug and
then ask on this list.

>  I do not have a lot of time, unfortunately, to actually do much
> debugging and/or patch developing, though I do have the programming skill
> necessary to do such had I had the time and familiarity with the packages
> involved.  So, the question is, who do I need to be in touch with and in
> what forum to participate in the development process as outlined above?

AFAIK there is no dedicated group/forum that can help individual users
on a one-on-one basis to debug problems. If you are willing to pay for
this that is a different question!

hope that helps
raju
-- 
Kamaraju S Kusumanchi | http://raju.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Blog

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