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  veeger is infected ...startx again Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 21:30 +0200
    veeger is infected ...startx again Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 21:50 +0200
      Re: veeger is infected ...startx again Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2016-10-01 22:00 +0200
        Re: veeger is infected ...startx again Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2016-10-02 01:50 +0200
      Re: veeger is infected ...startx again Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> - 2016-10-02 02:10 +0200
        Re: veeger is infected ...startx again Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2016-10-02 02:20 +0200
          Re: veeger is infected ...startx again Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> - 2016-10-02 03:40 +0200
        Re: veeger is infected ...startx again Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2016-10-02 20:30 +0200
      Re: veeger is infected ...startx again Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2016-10-02 03:50 +0200
        Re: veeger is infected ...startx again Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 11:10 +0200
          Re: veeger is infected ...startx again Charlie Kravetz <cjk@teamcharliesangels.com> - 2016-10-10 15:00 +0200
            Re: veeger is infected ...startx again Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2016-10-17 20:30 +0200
              Re: veeger is infected ...startx again Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-10-17 20:50 +0200
                Re: veeger is infected ...startx again Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-10-18 00:50 +0200
                  Re: veeger is infected ...startx again Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2016-10-18 18:50 +0200

#173073 — veeger is infected ...startx again

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#173074

... humans are infecting Veeger. I figured I'd fix the display manager 
problem with a clean install.  Here's the fun part that gives me the 
giggles: I downloaded the testing DVD to install clean from, whilst 
thinking it would be stretch or sid. Best laid plans of mice.

I rebooted upon completion and it went smoothly. I installed my Nvidia 
drivers and that went smooth. It was all soooo stupidly smooth that I 
suspected something was wrong. Surprise, my sources list reflected 
Jessie, not Stretch or Sid. I <cough cough> FIXED that. Figuring baby 
steps I'd go for Stretch. Long story short. I'm back to the black screen 
with itty bitty mouse cursor where I should be logging in.  Synaptic is 
also acting up again  with the drop down menus refusing to drop down.

I'm fulla pain killers (legitimately prescribed!) so I figure a much 
younger, and more agile, mind with figure this out. I'll even buy my 
newly found favorite cube-monkey a pizza, as long as the order doesn't 
require truffles.


-- 
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html

-- 
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html

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#173076

Le 01/10/2016 à 21:49, Ric Moore a écrit :
> ... humans are infecting Veeger. I figured I'd fix the display manager
> problem with a clean install.  Here's the fun part that gives me the
> giggles: I downloaded the testing DVD to install clean from, whilst
> thinking it would be stretch or sid. Best laid plans of mice.
>
> I rebooted upon completion and it went smoothly. I installed my Nvidia
> drivers and that went smooth. It was all soooo stupidly smooth that I
> suspected something was wrong. Surprise, my sources list reflected
> Jessie, not Stretch or Sid. I <cough cough> FIXED that. Figuring baby
> steps I'd go for Stretch. Long story short. I'm back to the black
> screen with itty bitty mouse cursor where I should be logging in. 
> Synaptic is also acting up again  with the drop down menus refusing to
> drop down.
>
> I'm fulla pain killers (legitimately prescribed!) so I figure a much
> younger, and more agile, mind with figure this out. I'll even buy my
> newly found favorite cube-monkey a pizza, as long as the order doesn't
> require truffles.
>
>

You'd better explain what you call "veeger" nobody will understand your
problem.

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#173091

Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> wrote:

> You'd better explain what you call "veeger" nobody will understand
> your problem.

I think he means "V'ger", which would be a reference to the first Star
Trek Movie.

S!

-- 
Sigmentation fault. Core dumped.

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#173092

On Sat, 1 Oct 2016, Ric Moore wrote:

> Surprise, my sources list reflected Jessie, not Stretch or 
> Sid. I <cough cough> FIXED that.

Did you run an 'apt-get dist-upgrade' after making changes to 
sources.list?

Hang in there.

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#173094

On 2016-10-02, Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 1 Oct 2016, Ric Moore wrote:
>
>> Surprise, my sources list reflected Jessie, not Stretch or 
>> Sid. I <cough cough> FIXED that.
>
> Did you run an 'apt-get dist-upgrade' after making changes to 
> sources.list?
>
> Hang in there.
>

At the risk of stating the obvious ... an 'apt-get update' is required
first.

-- 

Liam

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#173097

On Sun, 2 Oct 2016, Liam O'Toole wrote:

> At the risk of stating the obvious ... an 'apt-get update' is 
> required first.

Stating the obvious is a dirty job, but someone has to do it. 
I'm trying to make a Pat 'n Mike joke out of this, but the thing 
eludes me.

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#173129

On 10/01/2016 08:02 PM, Bob Bernstein wrote:
> On Sat, 1 Oct 2016, Ric Moore wrote:
>
>> Surprise, my sources list reflected Jessie, not Stretch or Sid. I
>> <cough cough> FIXED that.
>
> Did you run an 'apt-get dist-upgrade' after making changes to sources.list?
>
> Hang in there.

OK. I gave that a digital whirl.
Login / greeter is~ still~ broken. Maybe I need an ASCII greeter with 
blinking X's for the outline?? startx works for now. :)
Synaptic drop down menus are broke again.
Office drop down menus thankfully DO work.
A new one is that background selection greys out source directory 
selection, while Thunar file selection works. Go figure. I dinked with 
it some more, and using Thunar to select a graphic file, selecting it to 
be used as background, something clicked and I have my backgrounds back. 
Strange. Verrry strange.
xfce4 sound mixer no longer exists. No biggie, I just use pavucontrol.
Everything else appears nOrMaL. :) Ric

-- 
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html

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#173098

On 10/01/2016 12:49 PM, Ric Moore wrote:
> ... humans are infecting Veeger. I figured I'd fix the display manager
> problem with a clean install.  Here's the fun part that gives me the
> giggles: I downloaded the testing DVD to install clean from, whilst
> thinking it would be stretch or sid. Best laid plans of mice.
>
> I rebooted upon completion and it went smoothly. I installed my Nvidia
> drivers and that went smooth. It was all soooo stupidly smooth that I
> suspected something was wrong. Surprise, my sources list reflected
> Jessie, not Stretch or Sid. I <cough cough> FIXED that. Figuring baby
> steps I'd go for Stretch. Long story short. I'm back to the black screen
> with itty bitty mouse cursor where I should be logging in.  Synaptic is
> also acting up again  with the drop down menus refusing to drop down.

Add the Sid/unstable sources and 'aptitude update' and 'aptitude 
safe-upgrade' and you'll be okay ;). Maybe when the Stretch freeze 
starts that will be the time to remove Sid to get the next stable system.

> I'm fulla pain killers (legitimately prescribed!) so I figure a much
> younger, and more agile, mind with figure this out. I'll even buy my
> newly found favorite cube-monkey a pizza, as long as the order doesn't
> require truffles.

Good luck!
-- 
Jimmy Johnson

Kali GNU/Linux Rolling  - EXT4 - AMD64 at sda17
Registered Linux User #380263

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#173375

On 10/01/2016 09:40 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
> On 10/01/2016 12:49 PM, Ric Moore wrote:
>> ... humans are infecting Veeger. I figured I'd fix the display manager
>> problem with a clean install.  Here's the fun part that gives me the
>> giggles: I downloaded the testing DVD to install clean from, whilst
>> thinking it would be stretch or sid. Best laid plans of mice.
>>
>> I rebooted upon completion and it went smoothly. I installed my Nvidia
>> drivers and that went smooth. It was all soooo stupidly smooth that I
>> suspected something was wrong. Surprise, my sources list reflected
>> Jessie, not Stretch or Sid. I <cough cough> FIXED that. Figuring baby
>> steps I'd go for Stretch. Long story short. I'm back to the black screen
>> with itty bitty mouse cursor where I should be logging in.  Synaptic is
>> also acting up again  with the drop down menus refusing to drop down.
>
> Add the Sid/unstable sources and 'aptitude update' and 'aptitude
> safe-upgrade' and you'll be okay ;). Maybe when the Stretch freeze
> starts that will be the time to remove Sid to get the next stable system.
>
>> I'm fulla pain killers (legitimately prescribed!) so I figure a much
>> younger, and more agile, mind with figure this out. I'll even buy my
>> newly found favorite cube-monkey a pizza, as long as the order doesn't
>> require truffles.
>
> Good luck!

No luck so far and I just updated sid. On initial boot, the video driver 
kicks in, as all the monitors come to life, the harddrive is checked and 
then I get the black screen and mouse cursor which is active and moves 
with movement of the mouse. Buggers. What package should I file a 
bugreport against?? If I log into a terminal and issue "startx", 
everything comes up normally into XFCE4 desktop. Synaptic menus still 
refuse to drop down. Thanks all, Ric
-- 
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html

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#173381

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On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 05:08:44 -0400
Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 10/01/2016 09:40 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
>> On 10/01/2016 12:49 PM, Ric Moore wrote:  
>>> ... humans are infecting Veeger. I figured I'd fix the display manager
>>> problem with a clean install.  Here's the fun part that gives me the
>>> giggles: I downloaded the testing DVD to install clean from, whilst
>>> thinking it would be stretch or sid. Best laid plans of mice.
>>>
>>> I rebooted upon completion and it went smoothly. I installed my Nvidia
>>> drivers and that went smooth. It was all soooo stupidly smooth that I
>>> suspected something was wrong. Surprise, my sources list reflected
>>> Jessie, not Stretch or Sid. I <cough cough> FIXED that. Figuring baby
>>> steps I'd go for Stretch. Long story short. I'm back to the black screen
>>> with itty bitty mouse cursor where I should be logging in.  Synaptic is
>>> also acting up again  with the drop down menus refusing to drop down.  
>>
>> Add the Sid/unstable sources and 'aptitude update' and 'aptitude
>> safe-upgrade' and you'll be okay ;). Maybe when the Stretch freeze
>> starts that will be the time to remove Sid to get the next stable system.
>>  
>>> I'm fulla pain killers (legitimately prescribed!) so I figure a much
>>> younger, and more agile, mind with figure this out. I'll even buy my
>>> newly found favorite cube-monkey a pizza, as long as the order doesn't
>>> require truffles.  
>>
>> Good luck!  
>
>No luck so far and I just updated sid. On initial boot, the video driver 
>kicks in, as all the monitors come to life, the harddrive is checked and 
>then I get the black screen and mouse cursor which is active and moves 
>with movement of the mouse. Buggers. What package should I file a 
>bugreport against?? If I log into a terminal and issue "startx", 
>everything comes up normally into XFCE4 desktop. Synaptic menus still 
>refuse to drop down. Thanks all, Ric

It sounds like GTK3 themes is taking over. I had a similar situation,
by removing all GTK3 themes, I was able to get GTK2 theme installed. It
gave me back those menus and the proper spacing. I am now using
Orangine in Appearance and Kindaker in Window Manager. It works here.

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#173548

On 10/10/2016 08:49 AM, Charlie Kravetz wrote:

> It sounds like GTK3 themes is taking over. I had a similar situation

I finally went ape and re-installed from the latest stretch build. 
Initially, with the nouveau driver, XFCE$  synaptic (and others) drop 
down menus worked. I installed nvidia-driver and it installed everything 
related to nvidia. Rebooted and with the nvidia driver running, synaptic 
still worked. THEN I created an /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, rebooted, and 
it all went to h-e-double hockey sticks with the black screen and active 
mouse pointer. Synaptic borken again.

And yes, I have a 4 monitor setup via two video cards. It has worked 
well for several years. I rebooted into Xubuntu 16.04 on another drive, 
it works just fine. I copied that xorg.conf file to my Debian drive 
/etc/X11, rebooted, no go. I removed xorg.conf, rebooted and no problems 
other than using one monitor out of four.  Xubuntu works, Stretch not. I 
would love to know where the difference is so I could make a sane bug 
report. Ric

-- 
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html

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#173549

Ric Moore composed on 2016-10-17 14:25 (UTC-0400):

> I finally went ape and re-installed from the latest stretch build.
> Initially, with the nouveau driver, XFCE$  synaptic (and others) drop
> down menus worked. I installed nvidia-driver and it installed everything
> related to nvidia. Rebooted and with the nvidia driver running, synaptic
> still worked. THEN I created an /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, rebooted, and
> it all went to h-e-double hockey sticks with the black screen and active
> mouse pointer. Synaptic borken again.

> And yes, I have a 4 monitor setup via two video cards. It has worked
> well for several years. I rebooted into Xubuntu 16.04 on another drive,
> it works just fine. I copied that xorg.conf file to my Debian drive
> /etc/X11, rebooted, no go. I removed xorg.conf, rebooted and no problems
> other than using one monitor out of four.  Xubuntu works, Stretch not. I
> would love to know where the difference is so I could make a sane bug
> report.

Did you consider trying with both NVidia and Nouveau purged? Apparently, 
development focus has been migrating into the server-integrated modesetting 
driver:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-Debian-Abandon-Intel-DDX
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#173561

Ric Moore composed on 2016-10-17 17:47 (UTC-0400):

> Felix Miata wrote:

>> Did you consider trying with both NVidia and Nouveau purged? Apparently,
>> development focus has been migrating into the server-integrated
>> modesetting driver:
>> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-Debian-Abandon-Intel-DDX

> Thanks! But it seems to be fore Intel based GPU's.

I guess it's not particularly obvious that the focus of the _article_ is on 
Intel, while the _development_ focus is on all three of the mainstream gpu 
drivers.

I've been using the modesetting driver on all hardware that it supports in 
all distros that include server 1.17.0 or newer since before that article was 
written in July. Jessie's server is 1.16.4, but it does offer the 
pre-incorporation version as a separate xserver-xorg-video-modesetting .deb 
that seems to work just as well, as long as it's supported by the gfxchip.
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words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

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#173575

On 10/17/2016 06:48 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
> Ric Moore composed on 2016-10-17 17:47 (UTC-0400):
>
>> Felix Miata wrote:
>
>>> Did you consider trying with both NVidia and Nouveau purged? Apparently,
>>> development focus has been migrating into the server-integrated
>>> modesetting driver:
>>> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-Debian-Abandon-Intel-DDX
>>>
>
>> Thanks! But it seems to be fore Intel based GPU's.
>
> I guess it's not particularly obvious that the focus of the _article_ is
> on Intel, while the _development_ focus is on all three of the
> mainstream gpu drivers.
>
> I've been using the modesetting driver on all hardware that it supports
> in all distros that include server 1.17.0 or newer since before that
> article was written in July. Jessie's server is 1.16.4, but it does
> offer the pre-incorporation version as a separate
> xserver-xorg-video-modesetting .deb that seems to work just as well, as
> long as it's supported by the gfxchip.


ric@iam:~$ lsmod |grep nvidia
nvidia_drm             45056  5
drm_kms_helper        147456  1 nvidia_drm
drm                   364544  8 drm_kms_helper,nvidia_drm
nvidia_modeset        765952  5 nvidia_drm
nvidia              11472896  165 nvidia_modeset
ric@iam:~$

There appears to be some sort of modeset support for nvidia. How to use 
AND keep my nvidia goodies. ??



-- 
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html

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