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| Started by | Mark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2016-09-26 17:00 +0200 |
| Last post | 2016-10-06 01:30 +0200 |
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Canon printer minor quibble Mark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com> - 2016-09-26 17:00 +0200
Re: Canon printer minor quibble Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-09-26 18:20 +0200
Re: Canon printer minor quibble deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-09-26 19:20 +0200
Re: Canon printer minor quibble Mark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com> - 2016-09-27 01:20 +0200
Re: Canon printer minor quibble Mark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com> - 2016-09-27 01:10 +0200
Re: Canon printer minor quibble Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-09-28 00:00 +0200
Re: Canon printer minor quibble Mark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com> - 2016-09-28 00:50 +0200
Re: Canon printer minor quibble Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-09-28 12:30 +0200
Re: Canon printer minor quibble Mark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com> - 2016-09-29 17:10 +0200
Re: Canon printer minor quibble Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-09-29 19:10 +0200
Re: Canon printer minor quibble Mark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 15:40 +0200
Re: Canon printer minor quibble Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-09-30 19:20 +0200
Re: Canon printer minor quibble Mark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 01:40 +0200
Re: Canon printer minor quibble Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-10-01 15:30 +0200
Re: Canon printer minor quibble Mark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 16:10 +0200
Re: Canon printer minor quibble Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-10-01 16:40 +0200
Re: Canon printer minor quibble Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-09-29 23:40 +0200
Re: Canon printer minor quibble Mark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 14:00 +0200
Re: Canon printer minor quibble Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-09-30 14:40 +0200
Re: Canon printer minor quibble Mark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 15:10 +0200
Re: Canon printer minor quibble Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 15:30 +0200
Re: Canon printer minor quibble Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2016-09-30 15:30 +0200
Re: Canon printer minor quibble Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-09-30 16:10 +0200
Re: Canon printer minor quibble Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-09-30 16:00 +0200
Re: Canon printer minor quibble Frank <zuiderduin@gmx.com> - 2016-09-30 16:30 +0200
Re: Canon printer minor quibble Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-09-30 16:40 +0200
Re: Canon printer minor quibble Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2016-09-30 16:50 +0200
Re: Canon printer minor quibble Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-09-30 17:10 +0200
Re: Canon printer minor quibble rhkramer@gmail.com - 2016-09-30 17:20 +0200
Re: Canon printer minor quibble John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-09-30 17:30 +0200
Re: Canon printer minor quibble Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-09-30 20:30 +0200
Re: Canon printer minor quibble Charlie <ariestao1@ipstarmail.com.au> - 2016-09-30 23:50 +0200
Re: Canon printer minor quibble Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 00:50 +0200
Re: Canon printer minor quibble Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-10-01 21:50 +0200
Re: Canon printer minor quibble Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-10-02 01:00 +0200
Re: Canon printer minor quibble Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 16:30 +0200
Re: Canon printer minor quibble Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-09-30 17:00 +0200
Re: Canon printer minor quibble Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2016-09-30 17:10 +0200
Re: Canon printer minor quibble John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-09-30 17:30 +0200
Re: Canon printer minor quibble Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-09-30 17:40 +0200
Re: Canon printer minor quibble Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-09-30 17:40 +0200
Re: Canon printer minor quibble Reco <recoverym4n@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 17:20 +0200
Re: Canon printer minor quibble Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 17:40 +0200
Re: Canon printer minor quibble Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-09-30 20:00 +0200
Re: Canon printer minor quibble Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-09-30 19:10 +0200
Re: Canon printer minor quibble Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-09-30 15:50 +0200
Re: Canon printer minor quibble David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-09-30 23:00 +0200
Re: Canon printer minor quibble Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2016-09-30 23:10 +0200
Re: Canon printer minor quibble Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-09-30 23:50 +0200
Re: Canon printer minor quibble David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-10-01 07:50 +0200
Re: Canon printer minor quibble Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-10-01 10:40 +0200
Re: Canon printer minor quibble Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-10-01 12:20 +0200
Re: Canon printer minor quibble Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2016-10-01 12:10 +0200
Re: Canon printer minor quibble Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-10-01 21:00 +0200
Re: Canon printer minor quibble David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-10-05 22:20 +0200
Re: Canon printer minor quibble Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-10-06 01:30 +0200
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| From | Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 15:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <sn62Z-2jW-31@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #172962 |
On Friday 30 September 2016 14:02:05 Mark Fletcher wrote: > On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 01:31:03PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > On Fri 30 Sep 2016 at 20:54:32 +0900, Mark Fletcher wrote: > > > On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 10:31:45PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > > On Thursday 29 September 2016 16:03:38 Mark Fletcher wrote: > > > > > which I find ironic > > > > > considering what the U of CUPS stands for > > > > > > > > Why? MacOSX is Unix based (via BSD) and CUPS is supposed to be > > > > common to all Unices (though I have only used it on Linux and > > > > MacOSX). > > > > > > Precisely, Lisi. Precisely. > > > > The "U" in CUPS officially doesn't stand for anything. The same applies > > to the "C", "P" and "S". > > According to whom, Brian? (Apart from you, obviously :) ). According to > the Internet (so it _must_ be true) it stands for Common Unix Printing > System. Are they, and the Gutenprint driver which prints that on its > test pages, just making sh*t up then? (To be fair I don't know which > component creates the test page, but I do know, because I am sitting > here with one about an inch away from my left hand, that when you ask > CUPS to print a test page, it prints that on the test page.) > > Mark (who is trying to figure out how Wheezy is going to figure in this > driver install...) It also says most of it, definitely that U stands for Unix, on the home page of the CUPS web interface.: "CUPS 1.7.5 CUPS is the standards-based, open source printing system developed by Apple Inc. for OS® X and other UNIX®-like operating systems." followed by a large capital C containing the words "Unix Printing System". Lisi
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| From | Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 15:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <sn62Z-2jW-29@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #172964 |
On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 02:20:43PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 01:31:03PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > > The "U" in CUPS officially doesn't stand for anything. The same applies
> > > to the "C", "P" and "S".
> It also says most of it, definitely that U stands for Unix, on the home page
> of the CUPS web interface.:
> "CUPS 1.7.5
> CUPS is the standards-based, open source printing system developed by Apple
> Inc. for OS® X and other UNIX®-like operating systems." followed by a large
> capital C containing the words "Unix Printing System".
Wikipedia <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CUPS> has conflicting
information. At the top of the page, it claims CUPS stands for "Common
Unix Printing System", but without a reference. At the bottom of the
page, it claims:
CUPS was initially called "The Common UNIX Printing System". This
name was shortened to just "CUPS" beginning with CUPS 1.4 due to legal
concerns with the UNIX trademark.[citation needed]
This seems like one of those situations where Everyone Knows what the
truth is ("Common Unix Printing System"), but corporations and lawyers
require the Official Story to be a thin facade of lies. But that's just
my take.
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 16:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <sn6FI-2MJ-13@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #172965 |
On Fri 30 Sep 2016 at 09:28:15 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 02:20:43PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 01:31:03PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > > > The "U" in CUPS officially doesn't stand for anything. The same applies
> > > > to the "C", "P" and "S".
>
> > It also says most of it, definitely that U stands for Unix, on the home page
> > of the CUPS web interface.:
> > "CUPS 1.7.5
> > CUPS is the standards-based, open source printing system developed by Apple
> > Inc. for OS® X and other UNIX®-like operating systems." followed by a large
> > capital C containing the words "Unix Printing System".
>
> Wikipedia <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CUPS> has conflicting
> information. At the top of the page, it claims CUPS stands for "Common
> Unix Printing System", but without a reference. At the bottom of the
> page, it claims:
>
> CUPS was initially called "The Common UNIX Printing System". This
> name was shortened to just "CUPS" beginning with CUPS 1.4 due to legal
> concerns with the UNIX trademark.[citation needed]
>
> This seems like one of those situations where Everyone Knows what the
> truth is ("Common Unix Printing System"), but corporations and lawyers
> require the Official Story to be a thin facade of lies. But that's just
> my take.
Everybody knows what Xfce and KDE stand for. Which corporations and
lawyers require a thin facade of lies here?
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 16:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <sn6w1-2tU-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #172964 |
On Fri 30 Sep 2016 at 14:20:43 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Friday 30 September 2016 14:02:05 Mark Fletcher wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 01:31:03PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > > On Fri 30 Sep 2016 at 20:54:32 +0900, Mark Fletcher wrote: > > > > On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 10:31:45PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > > > On Thursday 29 September 2016 16:03:38 Mark Fletcher wrote: > > > > > > which I find ironic > > > > > > considering what the U of CUPS stands for > > > > > > > > > > Why? MacOSX is Unix based (via BSD) and CUPS is supposed to be > > > > > common to all Unices (though I have only used it on Linux and > > > > > MacOSX). > > > > > > > > Precisely, Lisi. Precisely. > > > > > > The "U" in CUPS officially doesn't stand for anything. The same applies > > > to the "C", "P" and "S". > > > > According to whom, Brian? (Apart from you, obviously :) ). According to > > the Internet (so it _must_ be true) it stands for Common Unix Printing > > System. Are they, and the Gutenprint driver which prints that on its > > test pages, just making sh*t up then? (To be fair I don't know which > > component creates the test page, but I do know, because I am sitting > > here with one about an inch away from my left hand, that when you ask > > CUPS to print a test page, it prints that on the test page.) > > > > Mark (who is trying to figure out how Wheezy is going to figure in this > > driver install...) > > It also says most of it, definitely that U stands for Unix, on the home page > of the CUPS web interface.: It definitely does not say that. Nowhere is "U" equated with "Unix" > "CUPS 1.7.5 > CUPS is the standards-based, open source printing system developed by Apple > Inc. for OS® X and other UNIX®-like operating systems." followed by a large > capital C containing the words "Unix Printing System". It does indeed say this. The "C" is not equated anywhere with "Common". A bottle of sauce made by HP (a division of Heinz) can have a picture of what looks the London Houses of Parliament on its label. Does that tell you what HP officially stands for? That is, if it stands for anything at all.
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| From | Frank <zuiderduin@gmx.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 16:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <sn6Z3-2UA-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #172970 |
Op 30-09-16 om 15:55 schreef Brian: > It does indeed say this. The "C" is not equated anywhere with "Common". It is. Check (most of) the entries in the blog at https://www.cups.org/blog.html from 10 Jul 2000 to 15 Dec 2008. Regards, Frank
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 16:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <sn78J-2XU-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #172972 |
On Fri 30 Sep 2016 at 16:20:03 +0200, Frank wrote: > Op 30-09-16 om 15:55 schreef Brian: > >It does indeed say this. The "C" is not equated anywhere with "Common". > > It is. Check (most of) the entries in the blog at > https://www.cups.org/blog.html from 10 Jul 2000 to 15 Dec 2008. I thought it was obvious we were talking about now, not the past. ESP was sold to Apple in 2007. The change in naming would not have been carried out immediately. There appears to have been a year's delay, for whatever reason.
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| From | Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 16:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <sn7ip-31c-13@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #172975 |
On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 03:37:55PM +0100, Brian wrote: > On Fri 30 Sep 2016 at 16:20:03 +0200, Frank wrote: > > It is. Check (most of) the entries in the blog at > > https://www.cups.org/blog.html from 10 Jul 2000 to 15 Dec 2008. > > I thought it was obvious we were talking about now, not the past. ESP > was sold to Apple in 2007. The change in naming would not have been > carried out immediately. There appears to have been a year's delay, for > whatever reason. We are talking about right now. The name CUPS is clearly an acronym that stands for Common Unix Printing System (or "UNIX" if you prefer). Everyone who uses CUPS knows this. It's the dirty little secret that Apple can no longer admit, because lawyers. You are doublethinking. In your world, CUPS isn't an acronym, and you have always been at war with Eastasia. Or, you are a lawyer. In which case, you have my pity.
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 17:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <sn7BM-3nt-23@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #172976 |
On Fri 30 Sep 2016 at 10:46:16 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 03:37:55PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > On Fri 30 Sep 2016 at 16:20:03 +0200, Frank wrote: > > > It is. Check (most of) the entries in the blog at > > > https://www.cups.org/blog.html from 10 Jul 2000 to 15 Dec 2008. > > > > I thought it was obvious we were talking about now, not the past. ESP > > was sold to Apple in 2007. The change in naming would not have been > > carried out immediately. There appears to have been a year's delay, for > > whatever reason. > > We are talking about right now. The name CUPS is clearly an acronym > that stands for Common Unix Printing System (or "UNIX" if you prefer). > Everyone who uses CUPS knows this. It's the dirty little secret that > Apple can no longer admit, because lawyers. This argument makes Xfce and KDE to be clearly acronyms in spite of the expressed wishes of the Xfce and KDE Foundations > You are doublethinking. In your world, CUPS isn't an acronym, and you > have always been at war with Eastasia. CUPS isn't an acronym in any world which has respect for legality when it matters. -- Brian.
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| From | rhkramer@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 17:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <sn7Lr-3r4-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #172976 |
On Friday, September 30, 2016 10:46:16 AM Greg Wooledge wrote: > We are talking about right now. The name CUPS is clearly an acronym > that stands for Common Unix Printing System (or "UNIX" if you prefer). > Everyone who uses CUPS knows this. It's the dirty little secret that > Apple can no longer admit, because lawyers. This is really a reply to Brian, but I'm quoting the above paragraph to respond. I'm talking about the past! It is often useful to know the origin of a term--among other things, it is sometimes more meaningful, as in this case. Common Unix Printing System was the (or close to the) original term. The fact that it got changed for any reason doesn't keep my mind from thinking of it as the Common Unix Printing System, although I'm usually happy with the acronym / abbreviation CUPS. (Aside: If I'm in court, and the judge threatens to cite me for contempt if I say Common Unix Printing System, I'm not sure what I'll do ;-) I'd like to think of one or more additional examples, but none immediately come--oh, how about radar, sonar, lidar, laser, MCC (for me, usually Motor Control Center, for CEGELEC, Mill Control Computer, and for others, other meanings depending on the context), ...in fact, it helps me to know (and think in terms of) the original words comprising any acronym or "natural word" derived from an acronym.
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| From | John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 17:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <sn7V8-3uh-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #172982 |
rhkramer writes: > Aside: If I'm in court, and the judge threatens to cite me for > contempt if I say Common Unix Printing System, I'm not sure what I'll > do ;-) Won't happen (in the USA). The judge will know the law. -- John Hasler jhasler@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 20:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <snaJj-5xw-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #172982 |
On Fri 30 Sep 2016 at 11:12:25 -0400, rhkramer@gmail.com wrote: > On Friday, September 30, 2016 10:46:16 AM Greg Wooledge wrote: > > We are talking about right now. The name CUPS is clearly an acronym > > that stands for Common Unix Printing System (or "UNIX" if you prefer). > > Everyone who uses CUPS knows this. It's the dirty little secret that > > Apple can no longer admit, because lawyers. > > This is really a reply to Brian, but I'm quoting the above paragraph to > respond. > > I'm talking about the past! > > It is often useful to know the origin of a term--among other things, it is > sometimes more meaningful, as in this case. That is a very good point. If you were to ask xorg upstream why the X Window system is called "X Window" it is possible you would be told that it is the successor to the W Window system. This doesn't tell you exactly what it does but it does take a little of the mystery out of the name. > Common Unix Printing System was the (or close to the) original term. The fact > that it got changed for any reason doesn't keep my mind from thinking of it as > the Common Unix Printing System, although I'm usually happy with the acronym / > abbreviation CUPS. I imagine there are many people who see the word "CUPS" as "Common Unix Printing System"; it is natural because, as you say, it was known as that for many years. No harm is done and it points to the software's purpose and aids understanding. If CUPS still exists in thirty years the meaning it had may very well have been forgotten. (Few people in the UK remember what the HP in "HP sauce" originally stood for. It doesn't stop them putting it on their fish and chips). Maintaining that CUPS is an official acronym for "Common Unix Printing System" has, so far, not been substantiated. -- Brian.
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| From | Charlie <ariestao1@ipstarmail.com.au> |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 23:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <sndQS-7ww-25@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #172997 |
On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 19:25:52 +0100 Brian sent: > That is a very good point. If you were to ask xorg upstream why the X > Window system is called "X Window" it is possible you would be told > that it is the successor to the W Window system. This doesn't tell you > exactly what it does but it does take a little of the mystery out of > the name. After contemplation, my reply is: A little mystery is welcome. Like in FVWM, not everything should be known, just named/labelled so we, and others, know of what we speak or sign. The description is everything. Be well, Charlie -- Registered Linux User:- 329524 *********************************************** There is no treasure in the deep mountains; he who has no desire for it finds it. -ZEN SAYING *********************************************** Debian GNU/Linux - Magic indeed. -----------------------------------------------------
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| From | Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-01 00:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <sneMV-8bV-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #172997 |
On Friday 30 September 2016 19:25:52 Brian wrote: > Maintaining that CUPS is an official acronym for "Common Unix Printing > System" has, so far, not been substantiated. Brian, do drop it. No-one, but no-one, has claimed it is the *official*name. It can't be because of the trademark problem. There is often a large gap between something's name and its official name. No-one who has actually seen the bottle could doubt that HP stands for Houses of Parliament. I have only just checked that, but what else could it be with that picture? And it was NEVER called Houses of Parliament, but always HP. Names don't die that easily. Where I used to live, people looking for Riverside Cottage had considerable difficulty finding it. Why? Because it was called The Old Gas Cottage. Merely changing the name didn't change what people called it. The fire brigade would have had difficulty too, so I always thought that changing the name was stupid, however much the owners didn't like the name. I was once asked to meet someone at the old Bull pub. I couldn't find it. The next time I was given a description. When I eventually found it the sign outside it said: "La Tête du Boeuf French Restaurant". EVERYONE (except presumably the new owners) still called it the old Bull's Head, or even just the old Bull.* Names die hard. An entity's legal name and the name it is known by can diverge wildly. Lisi * I see that a subsequent owner has had the sense to change the name back! http://www.thebullsheadwarwickshire.co.uk/
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-10-01 21:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <snysh-4Bi-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #173006 |
On Fri 30 Sep 2016 at 23:42:17 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Friday 30 September 2016 19:25:52 Brian wrote: > > Maintaining that CUPS is an official acronym for "Common Unix Printing > > System" has, so far, not been substantiated. > > Brian, do drop it. No-one, but no-one, has claimed it is the *official*name. > It can't be because of the trademark problem. There is often a large gap > between something's name and its official name. You mean we have spent all this time arguing about nothing when we could have been doing something useful? Dropped. > No-one who has actually seen the bottle could doubt that HP stands for Houses > of Parliament. I have only just checked that, but what else could it be with > that picture? And it was NEVER called Houses of Parliament, but always HP. "Please pass the Houses of Parliament sauce" *is* a bit of a mouthful. Thank goodness for acronyms. -- Brian.
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| From | Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-02 01:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <snBq9-6Bz-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #173075 |
On Saturday 01 October 2016 20:45:52 Brian wrote: > "Please pass the Houses of Parliament sauce" *is* a bit of a mouthful. > Thank goodness for acronyms. :-)) Lisi
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| From | Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 16:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <sn6Z3-2UA-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #172970 |
On Friday 30 September 2016 14:55:07 Brian wrote: > It does indeed say this. The "C" is not equated anywhere with "Common". No. That is why I said "most of it", not "all of it". If we are talking about British Institutions ... Do you even remember Consignia??? Did you even for one moment stop calling it the Post Office? Lawyers are one thing. What people are prepared to say another. I certainly never heard anyone say "I'm popping down to Consignia to post a letter". In that case, the people won of course. Consignia is dead, the Post Office lives. CUPS was intended as Common Unix Printing System. UNIX is a trademark so Apple couldn't use it. So, unlike for the name Apple itself, where Mac lied to the court and seems to have got away with it, Apple obediently stopped using the name and called it officially CUPS. We, the people, continue to say Common Unix Printing System. Lisi
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 17:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <sn7s6-34E-19@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #172973 |
On Fri 30 Sep 2016 at 15:28:01 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Friday 30 September 2016 14:55:07 Brian wrote: > > It does indeed say this. The "C" is not equated anywhere with "Common". > > No. That is why I said "most of it", not "all of it". It isn't *any* of it. > If we are talking about British Institutions ... Do you even remember > Consignia??? Did you even for one moment stop calling it the Post Office? > Lawyers are one thing. What people are prepared to say another. I certainly > never heard anyone say "I'm popping down to Consignia to post a letter". > > In that case, the people won of course. Consignia is dead, the Post Office > lives. > > CUPS was intended as Common Unix Printing System. UNIX is a trademark so > Apple couldn't use it. So, unlike for the name Apple itself, where Mac lied > to the court and seems to have got away with it, Apple obediently stopped > using the name and called it officially CUPS. We, the people, continue to > say Common Unix Printing System. ESP called it the "Common Unix Printing System". Apple doesn't. Why should the wishes (and rights) of one company be respected but not those of another? Apple has probably trademarked "Common Unix Printing System". The People can continue to say what they want but it does not change the fact that the official name of the software is CUPS. That is what Debian uses. -- Brian.
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| From | Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 17:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <sn7BM-3nt-31@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #172977 |
On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 03:51:27PM +0100, Brian wrote: > The People > can continue to say what they want but it does not change the fact that > the official name of the software is CUPS. Yes, that is the new Official Name. Nobody(*) gives a flying leap what the Official Name is. The question was what CUPS stands for. It stands for Common Unix (or UNIX) Printing System. (*) Except lawyers, and you.
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| From | John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 17:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <sn7V8-3uh-5@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #172978 |
Brian wrote: > The People can continue to say what they want but it does not change > the fact that the official name of the software is CUPS. The salesmen can continue to say what they have to in order to comply with trademark law but the real name of the software is the Common Unix Printing System. Those of us not selling printing systems have no reason to pay attention to the trademark issue. -- John Hasler jhasler@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA
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| From | Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 17:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <sn84N-3xv-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #172987 |
On Fri 30 Sep 2016 at 10:20:52 -0500, John Hasler wrote: > Brian wrote: > > The People can continue to say what they want but it does not change > > the fact that the official name of the software is CUPS. > > The salesmen can continue to say what they have to in order to comply > with trademark law but the real name of the software is the Common Unix > Printing System. Those of us not selling printing systems have no > reason to pay attention to the trademark issue. Two things: 1. Debian doesn't sell anything. 2. Iceweasel.
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