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  Unidentified subject! <holtzm@cox.net> - 2016-09-29 00:50 +0200
    DHCP failure (was Re: Unidentified subject!) Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2016-09-29 01:20 +0200
      Re: DHCP failure (was Re: Unidentified subject!) Floris <jkfloris@dds.nl> - 2016-09-29 12:10 +0200
    Can't set up network on Debian 8 fresh install [was: Unidentified  subject!] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2016-09-29 11:40 +0200
      Re: Can't set up network on Debian 8 fresh install [was:  Unidentified  subject!] Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2016-09-29 12:30 +0200
        Re: Can't set up network on Debian 8 fresh install [was: Unidentified  subject!] Eike Lantzsch <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2016-09-29 13:20 +0200
          Re: Can't set up network on Debian 8 fresh install [was:  Unidentified  subject!] Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2016-09-29 16:40 +0200
      Re: Can't set up network on Debian 8 fresh install [was:  Unidentified subject!] Bob Holtzman <holtzm@cox.net> - 2016-10-24 00:40 +0200
        Re: Can't set up network on Debian 8 fresh install [was:  Unidentified subject!] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2016-10-25 11:20 +0200
          Re: Can't set up network on Debian 8 fresh install [was:  Unidentified subject!] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-10-25 12:00 +0200
            Re: Can't set up network on Debian 8 fresh install [was:  Unidentified subject!] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2016-10-25 12:40 +0200
              Re: Can't set up network on Debian 8 fresh install [was:  Unidentified subject!] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-10-25 13:00 +0200
                Re: Can't set up network on Debian 8 fresh install [was:  Unidentified subject!] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2016-10-25 13:30 +0200
                  Re: Can't set up network on Debian 8 fresh install [was:  Unidentified subject!] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-10-25 14:10 +0200
                    Re: Can't set up network on Debian 8 fresh install [was:  Unidentified subject!] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2016-10-25 14:40 +0200

#172904 — Unidentified subject!

Clean install of deb8 (jessie)on my Thinkpad T4220i laptop. went well
except for the fact that the network configuration
with DCP failed.

I was given 3 options.
1) try it again. This was hope over experience.
2) configure manually. Great if I had the first inkling how. I'm a
complete neophyte when it
   comes to networking.
3) continue without configuring a network. The only one that would let
me continue the
   installation.

I have a functioning desktop pc so I compred some files w/ the laptop.

/etc/networks was identical as was /etc/network/interfaces (from what I
could see) and /etc/NetworkManager.

I looked at "man interfaces" but quickly got in over my head.

Multiple installs resulted in the same failure.

Right now I feel like I'm drowning and could sure use a pointer or six.

If any more information is required (and I'm sure it is) let me know.

-- 
Bob Holtzman
A man is a man who will fight with a sword or
conquer Mt. Everest in snow. But the bravest of all
owns a '34 Ford and tries for six thousand in low.

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#172905 — DHCP failure (was Re: Unidentified subject!)

On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 03:30:04PM -0700, holtzm@cox.net wrote:
> Clean install of deb8 (jessie)on my Thinkpad T4220i laptop. went well
> except for the fact that the network configuration
> with DCP failed.
> 
> I was given 3 options.
> 1) try it again. This was hope over experience.
> 2) configure manually. Great if I had the first inkling how. I'm a
> complete neophyte when it
>    comes to networking.
> 3) continue without configuring a network. The only one that would let
> me continue the
>    installation.
> 
> I have a functioning desktop pc so I compred some files w/ the laptop.
> 
> /etc/networks was identical as was /etc/network/interfaces (from what I
> could see) and /etc/NetworkManager.
> 
> I looked at "man interfaces" but quickly got in over my head.
> 
> Multiple installs resulted in the same failure.

Normally, you would have a DHCP server, perhaps included in your
router, which would hand out local IP addresses.

Possible cause 1: you don't. 

Possible cause 2: you do, but it is full or configured not to
give this machine an IP.

Most likely cause: underlying networking is not working right.

Ethernet or wifi?

What does "ip l" tell you? "ip a", too.

-dsr-

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#172924 — Re: DHCP failure (was Re: Unidentified subject!)

Op Thu, 29 Sep 2016 01:18:02 +0200 schreef Dan Ritter  
<dsr@randomstring.org>:

> On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 03:30:04PM -0700, holtzm@cox.net wrote:
>> Clean install of deb8 (jessie)on my Thinkpad T4220i laptop. went well
>> except for the fact that the network configuration
>> with DCP failed.
>>
>> I was given 3 options.
>> 1) try it again. This was hope over experience.
>> 2) configure manually. Great if I had the first inkling how. I'm a
>> complete neophyte when it
>>    comes to networking.
>> 3) continue without configuring a network. The only one that would let
>> me continue the
>>    installation.
>>
>> I have a functioning desktop pc so I compred some files w/ the laptop.
>>
>> /etc/networks was identical as was /etc/network/interfaces (from what I
>> could see) and /etc/NetworkManager.
>>
>> I looked at "man interfaces" but quickly got in over my head.
>>
>> Multiple installs resulted in the same failure.
>
> Normally, you would have a DHCP server, perhaps included in your
> router, which would hand out local IP addresses.
>
> Possible cause 1: you don't.
>
> Possible cause 2: you do, but it is full or configured not to
> give this machine an IP.
>
> Most likely cause: underlying networking is not working right.
>
> Ethernet or wifi?
>
> What does "ip l" tell you? "ip a", too.
>
> -dsr-
>

If it is wifi, I think you need the firmware-iwlwifi package from non-free  
for this laptop
https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi

Floris

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#172918 — Can't set up network on Debian 8 fresh install [was: Unidentified subject!]

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Hi, Bob.

Welcome.

First, a meta-suggestions

  Try to use a good subject line (I tried to modify it).
  This list is read by many volunteers, and is pretty high
  volume. Nobody reads everything. A good subject line
  will make it more probable that your mail is picked up
  by someone knowledgeable in the subject matter.

Comments interleaved in your main text

On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 03:30:04PM -0700, holtzm@cox.net wrote:
> Clean install of deb8 (jessie)on my Thinkpad T4220i laptop. went well
> except for the fact that the network configuration
> with DCP failed.

This is probably DHCP. That means that the laptop tries to ask in
the local network for an IP address and gets assigned one by the
(local) DHCP server, which these days typically is the internet
router.

Question: is your Thinkpad connected to the local net via a
network cable? Or via WLAN?

Open a console. What is the output of the command

  /sbin/ifconfig

Could you paste it here?

> I was given 3 options.
> 1) try it again. This was hope over experience.

That means it isn't getting an answer to its DHCP requests. Most
probably it doesn't reach the network, but we can't know for sure
yet.

> 2) configure manually. Great if I had the first inkling how. I'm a
> complete neophyte when it
>    comes to networking.
> 3) continue without configuring a network. The only one that would let
> me continue the
>    installation.
> 
> I have a functioning desktop pc so I compred some files w/ the laptop.

Perhaps the output of /sbin/ifconfig on the desktop PC would be
interesting here as well.

regards
- -- tomás
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#172928 — Re: Can't set up network on Debian 8 fresh install [was: Unidentified subject!]

<tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 03:30:04PM -0700, holtzm@cox.net wrote:
>> Clean install of deb8 (jessie)on my Thinkpad T4220i laptop. went well
>> except for the fact that the network configuration
>> with DCP failed.
>
> This is probably DHCP. That means that the laptop tries to ask in
> the local network for an IP address and gets assigned one by the
> (local) DHCP server, which these days typically is the internet
> router.

It could be as simple as the laptop requires non-free drivers (e.g.
Intel), which were not installed as part of the Debian setup process.
I had that issues with Wheezy and an Intel 7260 WLAN card.

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#172931 — Re: Can't set up network on Debian 8 fresh install [was: Unidentified subject!]

On Donnerstag, 29. September 2016 10:09:45 PYT Dan Purgert wrote:
> <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 03:30:04PM -0700, holtzm@cox.net wrote:
> >> Clean install of deb8 (jessie)on my Thinkpad T4220i laptop. went well
> >> except for the fact that the network configuration
> >> with DCP failed.
> > 
> > This is probably DHCP. That means that the laptop tries to ask in
> > the local network for an IP address and gets assigned one by the
> > (local) DHCP server, which these days typically is the internet
> > router.
> 
> It could be as simple as the laptop requires non-free drivers (e.g.
> Intel), which were not installed as part of the Debian setup process.
> I had that issues with Wheezy and an Intel 7260 WLAN card.

In that case get yourself an install-medium from this place
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/

Cheers
Eike

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#172937 — Re: Can't set up network on Debian 8 fresh install [was: Unidentified subject!]

Eike Lantzsch wrote:
> On Donnerstag, 29. September 2016 10:09:45 PYT Dan Purgert wrote:
>> It could be as simple as the laptop requires non-free drivers (e.g.
>> Intel), which were not installed as part of the Debian setup process.
>> I had that issues with Wheezy and an Intel 7260 WLAN card.
>
> In that case get yourself an install-medium from this place
> http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/
>

I just plugged the laptop into the LAN, and grabbed them that way.  


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#173780 — Re: Can't set up network on Debian 8 fresh install [was: Unidentified subject!]

On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 11:31:28AM +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:

My abject apologies for the delay in this reply. just got back in town
and am just catching up on my email.

> Hi, Bob.
> 
> Welcome.
> 
> First, a meta-suggestions
> 
>   Try to use a good subject line (I tried to modify it).
>   This list is read by many volunteers, and is pretty high
>   volume. Nobody reads everything. A good subject line
>   will make it more probable that your mail is picked up
>   by someone knowledgeable in the subject matter.

I know but I hit the send key too soon. Sorry.

> 
> Comments interleaved in your main text
> 
> On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 03:30:04PM -0700, holtzm@cox.net wrote:
> > Clean install of deb8 (jessie)on my Thinkpad T4220i laptop. went well
> > except for the fact that the network configuration
> > with DCP failed.
> 
> This is probably DHCP. That means that the laptop tries to ask in
> the local network for an IP address and gets assigned one by the
> (local) DHCP server, which these days typically is the internet
> router.
> 
> Question: is your Thinkpad connected to the local net via a
> network cable? Or via WLAN?

Ethernet cable directly to the modem. No router (yet).

> 
> Open a console. What is the output of the command

>   /sbin/ifconfig
> Could you paste it here?

root@localhost:/home/holtzm# /sbin/ifconfig
eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:21:cc:b6:06:8f
          UP BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
          RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
          RX bytes:0 (0.0 B)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)
          Interrupt:20 Memory:f2500000-f2520000

lo        Link encap:Local Loopback
          inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
          inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
          UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:65536  Metric:1
          RX packets:27 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:27 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
          RX bytes:3077 (3.0 KiB)  TX bytes:307


> 
> > I was given 3 options.
> > 1) try it again. This was hope over experience.
> 
> That means it isn't getting an answer to its DHCP requests. Most
> probably it doesn't reach the network, but we can't know for sure
> yet.
> 
> > 2) configure manually. Great if I had the first inkling how. I'm a
> > complete neophyte when it
> >    comes to networking.
> > 3) continue without configuring a network. The only one that would let
> > me continue the
> >    installation.
> > 
> > I have a functioning desktop pc so I compred some files w/ the laptop.
> 
> Perhaps the output of /sbin/ifconfig on the desktop PC would be
> interesting here as well.

root@localhost:/home/holtzm# /sbin/ifconfig
eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:1e:8c:1e:85:82  
          inet addr:70.190.29.56  Bcast:70.190.29.255
Mask:255.255.255.0
          inet6 addr: fe80::21e:8cff:fe1e:8582/64 Scope:Link
          UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
          RX packets:51469650 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:189063 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:6
          collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 
          RX bytes:3282631748 (3.0 GiB)  TX bytes:19166009 (18.2 MiB)

lo        Link encap:Local Loopback  
          inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
          inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
          UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:65536  Metric:1
          RX packets:66231 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:66231 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 
          RX bytes:18252784 (17.4 MiB)  TX bytes:18252784 (17.4 MiB)


> 
> regards
> -- tomás

-- 
Bob Holtzman
A man is a man who will fight with a sword or
conquer Mt. Everest in snow. But the bravest of all
owns a '34 Ford and tries for six thousand in low.

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#173815 — Re: Can't set up network on Debian 8 fresh install [was: Unidentified subject!]

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On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 03:30:52PM -0700, Bob Holtzman wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 11:31:28AM +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> 
> My abject apologies for the delay in this reply. just got back in town
> and am just catching up on my email.

No worries. Mail is asyncronous. In my eyes, its biggest asset.

[my whine about missing subject]

> I know but I hit the send key too soon. Sorry.

Happens :-)

[...]

> > > with DCP failed.
> > 
> > This is probably DHCP. That means that the laptop tries to ask in
> > the local network for an IP address [...]

> > Question: is your Thinkpad connected to the local net via a
> > network cable? Or via WLAN?
> 
> Ethernet cable directly to the modem. No router (yet).
> 
> > 
> > Open a console. What is the output of the command
> 
> >   /sbin/ifconfig
> > Could you paste it here?
> 
> root@localhost:/home/holtzm# /sbin/ifconfig
> eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:21:cc:b6:06:8f
>           UP BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
>           RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>           TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>           collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
>           RX bytes:0 (0.0 B)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)
>           Interrupt:20 Memory:f2500000-f2520000

This means that eth0 hasn't an IP address assigned. This is consistent
with DHCP failing. Your laptop sends a DHCP out and expects some answer
(from the "modem" or from the network infrastructure behind it). No
answer came, probably.

> lo        Link encap:Local Loopback
>           inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0

This is the "local" interface. It's always there. It doesn't correspond
to any hardware. For our quest, you can safely ignore that.

> > > I was given 3 options.

[...]

There is no way forward until we sort out how to assign an IP address
to your interface (be it via DHCP or manually).

Can you describe this "modem" a bit more? It may well be that it isn't
talking regular IP but needs PPPoE[1] (PPP over Ethernet) or some such.

Regards

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PPPoE
- -- tomás
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#173818 — Re: Can't set up network on Debian 8 fresh install [was: Unidentified subject!]

On Tue 25 Oct 2016 at 11:16:49 +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:

> > lo        Link encap:Local Loopback
> >           inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
> 
> This is the "local" interface. It's always there. It doesn't correspond
> to any hardware. For our quest, you can safely ignore that.

Nothing to do with the OP's issue but people might be interested in
knowing that this stanza is not a requirement for inclusion in the
interfaces file. If it is left out you still get a loopback interface.

>From the changelog:

  * Add implicit loopback device definition.

 -- Andrew Shadura <andrewsh@debian.org>  Thu, 11 Apr 2013 21:44:23 +0200

-- 
Brian.

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#173820 — Re: Can't set up network on Debian 8 fresh install [was: Unidentified subject!]

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On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:59:20AM +0100, Brian wrote:
> On Tue 25 Oct 2016 at 11:16:49 +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> 
> > > lo        Link encap:Local Loopback
> > >           inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
> > 
> > This is the "local" interface. It's always there. It doesn't correspond
> > to any hardware. For our quest, you can safely ignore that.
> 
> Nothing to do with the OP's issue but people might be interested in
> knowing that this stanza is not a requirement for inclusion in the
> interfaces file. If it is left out you still get a loopback interface.
> 
> >From the changelog:
> 
>   * Add implicit loopback device definition.
> 
>  -- Andrew Shadura <andrewsh@debian.org>  Thu, 11 Apr 2013 21:44:23 +0200

To add some context, this is from ifupdown's (0.7.41) changelog, right?

regards
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#173821 — Re: Can't set up network on Debian 8 fresh install [was: Unidentified subject!]

On Tue 25 Oct 2016 at 12:36:11 +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:59:20AM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > On Tue 25 Oct 2016 at 11:16:49 +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > 
> > > > lo        Link encap:Local Loopback
> > > >           inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
> > > 
> > > This is the "local" interface. It's always there. It doesn't correspond
> > > to any hardware. For our quest, you can safely ignore that.
> > 
> > Nothing to do with the OP's issue but people might be interested in
> > knowing that this stanza is not a requirement for inclusion in the
> > interfaces file. If it is left out you still get a loopback interface.
> > 
> > >From the changelog:
> > 
> >   * Add implicit loopback device definition.
> > 
> >  -- Andrew Shadura <andrewsh@debian.org>  Thu, 11 Apr 2013 21:44:23 +0200
> 
> To add some context, this is from ifupdown's (0.7.41) changelog, right?

Sorry; yes.

In the final Stretch installer netcfg is quite likely not to put
loopback in /etc/network/interfaces. So from being "always there"
it will go to never there.

-- 
Brian.

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#173822 — Re: Can't set up network on Debian 8 fresh install [was: Unidentified subject!]

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On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 11:54:27AM +0100, Brian wrote:
> On Tue 25 Oct 2016 at 12:36:11 +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:59:20AM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > > On Tue 25 Oct 2016 at 11:16:49 +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > lo        Link encap:Local Loopback
> > > > >           inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0

[...]

> Sorry; yes.
> 
> In the final Stretch installer netcfg is quite likely not to put
> loopback in /etc/network/interfaces. So from being "always there"
> it will go to never there.

Thanks for the info, very useful. In our case, for context: the
above output is from '/sbin/ifconfig' (and not from 'cat
/etc/network/interfaces'). So I'd expect lo to be there, anyway.

Regards
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#173826 — Re: Can't set up network on Debian 8 fresh install [was: Unidentified subject!]

On Tue 25 Oct 2016 at 13:19:48 +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 11:54:27AM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > On Tue 25 Oct 2016 at 12:36:11 +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > 
> > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:59:20AM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > > > On Tue 25 Oct 2016 at 11:16:49 +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > > lo        Link encap:Local Loopback
> > > > > >           inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
> 
> [...]
> 
> > Sorry; yes.
> > 
> > In the final Stretch installer netcfg is quite likely not to put
> > loopback in /etc/network/interfaces. So from being "always there"
> > it will go to never there.
> 
> Thanks for the info, very useful. In our case, for context: the
> above output is from '/sbin/ifconfig' (and not from 'cat
> /etc/network/interfaces'). So I'd expect lo to be there, anyway.

Uncharacteristically, I did wander a bit off topic, didn't I?
Back on the straight and narrow now. :)

-- 
Brian.

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#173831 — Re: Can't set up network on Debian 8 fresh install [was: Unidentified subject!]

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On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 01:05:54PM +0100, Brian wrote:

[...]

> Uncharacteristically, I did wander a bit off topic, didn't I?

This way I (and perhaps others) learnt something.

> Back on the straight and narrow now. :)

But not too much: everything within measure :)

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