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  cant get to desktop anymore bell canada <bellcanadardp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 22:50 +0200
    Re: cant get to desktop anymore Kent West <westk@acu.edu> - 2016-09-19 00:10 +0200
      Re: cant get to desktop anymore Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 02:00 +0200
        Re: cant get to desktop anymore "Neal P. Murphy" <neal.p.murphy@alum.wpi.edu> - 2016-09-19 02:40 +0200
          Re: cant get to desktop anymore Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2016-09-19 15:40 +0200
            Re: cant get to desktop anymore Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 15:50 +0200
            Re: cant get to desktop anymore Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-09-19 16:30 +0200
          Re: cant get to desktop anymore Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 23:00 +0200
        Re: cant get to desktop anymore Stephen Powell <zlinuxman@fastmail.com> - 2016-09-21 22:40 +0200
          Re: cant get to desktop anymore Stephen Powell <zlinuxman@fastmail.com> - 2016-09-21 23:00 +0200
            Re: cant get to desktop anymore Zoltán Hermann <zoltanhbz@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 07:10 +0200
            Re: cant get to desktop anymore Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 06:50 +0200
            Re: cant get to desktop anymore Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 08:30 +0200
      Re: cant get to desktop anymore Frank McCormick <debianlist@videotron.ca> - 2016-09-19 03:50 +0200
        Re: cant get to desktop anymore Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 23:10 +0200
          Re: cant get to desktop anymore Dominic Knight <dominicknight@gmx.com> - 2016-09-20 18:30 +0200

#172406 — cant get to desktop anymore

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hello i installed debian 8 and i cant get into my desktop..why plz help

roberto
438 881 9269
all i get is ablack scren
even recory mode doesnt help

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On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 3:28 PM, bell canada <bellcanadardp@gmail.com>
wrote:

> hello i installed debian 8 and i cant get into my desktop..why plz help
>
> roberto
> 438 881 9269
> all i get is ablack scren
> even recory mode doesnt help
>

Do you get to a login prompt at all (graphical or text-based)?

What happens if you press Ctrl-Alt-F2?

-- 
Kent West                    <")))><
Westing Peacefully - http://kentwest.blogspot.com

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#172419

On 09/18/2016 06:00 PM, Kent West wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 3:28 PM, bell canada <bellcanadardp@gmail.com
> <mailto:bellcanadardp@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     hello i installed debian 8 and i cant get into my desktop..why plz help
>
>     roberto
>     438 881 9269 <tel:438%20881%209269>
>     all i get is ablack scren
>     even recory mode doesnt help
>
>
> Do you get to a login prompt at all (graphical or text-based)?
>
> What happens if you press Ctrl-Alt-F2?
If the OP would do that, login as his user and enter "startx", I bet a 
donut that he gets to his desktop. Mine is STILL boroken that way 
...POS. synaptic isn't fixed yet. <sighs> Someone just shoot me. Ric


-- 
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html

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#172423

On Sun, 18 Sep 2016 19:57:58 -0400
Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 09/18/2016 06:00 PM, Kent West wrote:
> > On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 3:28 PM, bell canada <bellcanadardp@gmail.com
> > <mailto:bellcanadardp@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     hello i installed debian 8 and i cant get into my desktop..why plz help
> >
> >     roberto
> >     438 881 9269 <tel:438%20881%209269>
> >     all i get is ablack scren
> >     even recory mode doesnt help
> >
> >
> > Do you get to a login prompt at all (graphical or text-based)?
> >
> > What happens if you press Ctrl-Alt-F2?
> If the OP would do that, login as his user and enter "startx", I bet a 
> donut that he gets to his desktop. Mine is STILL boroken that way 
> ...POS. synaptic isn't fixed yet. <sighs> Someone just shoot me. Ric
> 
> 

<CTRL><ALT><F7> will reach the X11 session. If it started. If not, it could be that a default xdm session (KDE, Gnome, XFCE, etc.) wasn't selected or a desktop 'task' wasn't installed.

Console #7 is the standard console used for X11. Console #1 is the default console when there is no default X11 session.

If Roberto gets only a black screen with nothing on it, he may have a problem with his video driver.

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#172446

On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 08:33:23PM -0400, Neal P. Murphy wrote:
> <CTRL><ALT><F7> will reach the X11 session. If it started. If not, it could be that a default xdm session (KDE, Gnome, XFCE, etc.) wasn't selected or a desktop 'task' wasn't installed.
> 
> Console #7 is the standard console used for X11. Console #1 is the default console when there is no default X11 session.

That was true in wheezy.  It's not true in jessie.

In jessie, running with systemd by default, the display manager takes
over the *first* virtual console (Ctrl-Alt-F1).  The first console with
a getty is therefore Ctrl-Alt-F2.

Of course, if there is no display manager installed at all, then Ctrl-Alt-F1
should have a getty running on it once the system boots.  But as soon as
you run startx, X takes over the *first* console (not the seventh)
and you're right back to the same situation as if you had used a display
manager.

(I use startx on jessie, so I speak from direct personal experience,
tested right now.)

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#172450

On Monday 19 September 2016 14:31:10 Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 08:33:23PM -0400, Neal P. Murphy wrote:
> > <CTRL><ALT><F7> will reach the X11 session. If it started. If not, it
> > could be that a default xdm session (KDE, Gnome, XFCE, etc.) wasn't
> > selected or a desktop 'task' wasn't installed.
> >
> > Console #7 is the standard console used for X11. Console #1 is the
> > default console when there is no default X11 session.
>
> That was true in wheezy.  It's not true in jessie.
>
> In jessie, running with systemd by default, the display manager takes
> over the *first* virtual console (Ctrl-Alt-F1).  The first console with
> a getty is therefore Ctrl-Alt-F2.
>
> Of course, if there is no display manager installed at all, then
> Ctrl-Alt-F1 should have a getty running on it once the system boots.  But
> as soon as you run startx, X takes over the *first* console (not the
> seventh) and you're right back to the same situation as if you had used a
> display manager.
>
> (I use startx on jessie, so I speak from direct personal experience,
> tested right now.)

In the Jessie I am currently using (recently freshly installed, but with /home 
added from my sickly desktop),  Ctrl-Alt-x restarts X.  And no, that isn't a 
left-over in /home. At least, I have never known it before!!

Lisi

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#172459

On Mon 19 Sep 2016 at 09:31:10 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:

> On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 08:33:23PM -0400, Neal P. Murphy wrote:
> > <CTRL><ALT><F7> will reach the X11 session. If it started. If not, it could be that a default xdm session (KDE, Gnome, XFCE, etc.) wasn't selected or a desktop 'task' wasn't installed.
> > 
> > Console #7 is the standard console used for X11. Console #1 is the default console when there is no default X11 session.
> 
> That was true in wheezy.  It's not true in jessie.
> 
> In jessie, running with systemd by default, the display manager takes
> over the *first* virtual console (Ctrl-Alt-F1).  The first console with
> a getty is therefore Ctrl-Alt-F2.

We must be using different Jessies. gdm3 with GNOME comes up on vt7.

> Of course, if there is no display manager installed at all, then Ctrl-Alt-F1
> should have a getty running on it once the system boots.  But as soon as
> you run startx, X takes over the *first* console (not the seventh)
> and you're right back to the same situation as if you had used a display
> manager.

Not my experience.
 
> (I use startx on jessie, so I speak from direct personal experience,
> tested right now.)

>From the xinit changelog:

  * 10-startx-Under-Linux-start-X-on-the-current-VT.patch,
    11-startx-Pass-vtX-as-long-as-the-user-did-not-specify-.patch: By default
    start the server on the current VT, this is necessary to avoid logind to
    see the startx session as inactive (Closes: #743015 LP: #1247484)

-- 
Brian.

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#172500

On 09/18/2016 08:33 PM, Neal P. Murphy wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Sep 2016 19:57:58 -0400
> Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 09/18/2016 06:00 PM, Kent West wrote:
>>> On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 3:28 PM, bell canada <bellcanadardp@gmail.com
>>> <mailto:bellcanadardp@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     hello i installed debian 8 and i cant get into my desktop..why plz help
>>>
>>>     roberto
>>>     438 881 9269 <tel:438%20881%209269>
>>>     all i get is ablack scren
>>>     even recory mode doesnt help
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you get to a login prompt at all (graphical or text-based)?
>>>
>>> What happens if you press Ctrl-Alt-F2?
>> If the OP would do that, login as his user and enter "startx", I bet a
>> donut that he gets to his desktop. Mine is STILL boroken that way
>> ...POS. synaptic isn't fixed yet. <sighs> Someone just shoot me. Ric
>>
>>
>
> <CTRL><ALT><F7> will reach the X11 session.

Thank you for the heads up. But, we were advising ctrl-alt-f2 and I 
advised he login as his user and type startx. >IF< he gets to his 
desktop, then he has the same problem I have. I'm expecting others pop 
up with the very same problem. Ric


-- 
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html

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#172602

On Sun, Sep 18, 2016, at 19:57, Ric Moore wrote:
> On 09/18/2016 06:00 PM, Kent West wrote:
> > On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 3:28 PM, bell canada <bellcanadardp@gmail.com
> > <mailto:bellcanadardp@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     hello i installed debian 8 and i cant get into my desktop..why plz help
> >
> >     roberto
> >     438 881 9269 <tel:438%20881%209269>
> >     all i get is ablack scren
> >     even recory mode doesnt help
> >
> >
> > Do you get to a login prompt at all (graphical or text-based)?
> >
> > What happens if you press Ctrl-Alt-F2?
> If the OP would do that, login as his user and enter "startx", I bet a 
> donut that he gets to his desktop. Mine is STILL boroken that way 
> ...POS. synaptic isn't fixed yet. <sighs> Someone just shoot me. Ric
> 

After a recent stretch upgrade, I experienced a similar problem.
I use the XFCE4 desktop environment, the lightdm login daemon, and
systemd as my init system.

After "upgrading" and rebooting, I got a black screen with a mouse pointer.
And that was it.  I used the following procedure as a work-around:

I used Ctrl+Alt+F1 to switch to a text console.  I logged in as root.
I issued

systemctl stop lightdm.service
systemctl disable lightdm.service

then I exited the root login session, logged in on the text console
as my normal non-superuser self, and issued

startx -- vt7 &

This brought up my normal XFCE4 desktop on vt7, bypassing the lightdm login
daemon.  Of course after a reboot, the two systemctl commands won't be
needed.  The lightdm service will no longer start.

I did notice one thing peculiar.  startx output is written to the terminal
of vt1, of course, even though it's running as a background task.  And I got
the error message

modprobe: FATAL: Module mach64 not found in directory /lib/modules/xxx

where xxx is the identity of the running kernel.  Strange.  The kernel has
never had a mach64 module in it, as far as I know.  mach64 is the name
of the X driver, but there is no kernel module by that name.

I obviously don't like using this work-around, but I can at least limp
along until somebody somewhere fixes this problem.

-- 
  .''`.     Stephen Powell    <zlinuxman@fastmail.com>
 : :'  :
 `. `'`
   `-

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#172604

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016, at 16:32, Stephen Powell wrote:
> 
> I did notice one thing peculiar.  startx output is written to the terminal
> of vt1, of course, even though it's running as a background task.  And I got
> the error message
> 
> modprobe: FATAL: Module mach64 not found in directory /lib/modules/xxx
> 
> where xxx is the identity of the running kernel.  Strange.  The kernel has
> never had a mach64 module in it, as far as I know.  mach64 is the name
> of the X driver, but there is no kernel module by that name.

One other thing I noticed.  It may or may not be related.  "web" (i.e.
epiphany-browser) is broken.  When I click on the icon for changing settings
(including listing bookmarks), nothing happens.  I switched back to chromium,
which seems to be working fine.

Lovely "upgrade", Debian! 

-- 
  .''`.     Stephen Powell    <zlinuxman@fastmail.com>
 : :'  :
 `. `'`
   `-

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#172611

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Or it may be that no
permission, for example, is not his .Xauthority, .xsession file

wrong file ownership, which can be fixed by
sudo chown username.usergroup /home/username/.Xauthority

wrong file permissions, which can be fixed by
sudo chmod u=rw go= /home/username/.Xauthority
//or chmod +755 ...

But it can be like a part of the epiphany-browser...


2016-09-21 22:52 GMT+02:00 Stephen Powell <zlinuxman@fastmail.com>:

> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016, at 16:32, Stephen Powell wrote:
> >
> > I did notice one thing peculiar.  startx output is written to the
> terminal
> > of vt1, of course, even though it's running as a background task.  And I
> got
> > the error message
> >
> > modprobe: FATAL: Module mach64 not found in directory /lib/modules/xxx
> >
> > where xxx is the identity of the running kernel.  Strange.  The kernel
> has
> > never had a mach64 module in it, as far as I know.  mach64 is the name
> > of the X driver, but there is no kernel module by that name.
>
> One other thing I noticed.  It may or may not be related.  "web" (i.e.
> epiphany-browser) is broken.  When I click on the icon for changing
> settings
> (including listing bookmarks), nothing happens.  I switched back to
> chromium,
> which seems to be working fine.
>
> Lovely "upgrade", Debian!
>
> --
>   .''`.     Stephen Powell    <zlinuxman@fastmail.com>
>  : :'  :
>  `. `'`
>    `-
>
>

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#172723

On 09/21/2016 04:52 PM, Stephen Powell wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016, at 16:32, Stephen Powell wrote:
>>
>> I did notice one thing peculiar.  startx output is written to the terminal
>> of vt1, of course, even though it's running as a background task.  And I got
>> the error message
>>
>> modprobe: FATAL: Module mach64 not found in directory /lib/modules/xxx
>>
>> where xxx is the identity of the running kernel.  Strange.  The kernel has
>> never had a mach64 module in it, as far as I know.  mach64 is the name
>> of the X driver, but there is no kernel module by that name.
>
> One other thing I noticed.  It may or may not be related.  "web" (i.e.
> epiphany-browser) is broken.  When I click on the icon for changing settings
> (including listing bookmarks), nothing happens.  I switched back to chromium,
> which seems to be working fine.
>
> Lovely "upgrade", Debian!


There seems to be some sort of gtk3 issue, which screws up synaptic for 
me just like epiphany does for you. None of the drop downs work. That 
might account for your browser problem as well. Deity only knows, but 
running sid has finally lived up to the "can break" rep. I'm not crying 
about it, I'm holding the broken pieces and am willing to provide 
whatever logs needed by whomever is responsible.  Cheers, Ric


-- 
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html

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#172725

On 09/21/2016 04:52 PM, Stephen Powell wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016, at 16:32, Stephen Powell wrote:
>>
>> I did notice one thing peculiar.  startx output is written to the terminal
>> of vt1, of course, even though it's running as a background task.  And I got
>> the error message
>>
>> modprobe: FATAL: Module mach64 not found in directory /lib/modules/xxx
>>
>> where xxx is the identity of the running kernel.  Strange.  The kernel has
>> never had a mach64 module in it, as far as I know.  mach64 is the name
>> of the X driver, but there is no kernel module by that name.
>
> One other thing I noticed.  It may or may not be related.  "web" (i.e.
> epiphany-browser) is broken.  When I click on the icon for changing settings
> (including listing bookmarks), nothing happens.  I switched back to chromium,
> which seems to be working fine.
>
> Lovely "upgrade", Debian!

AHHA!! Check /var/log/lightdm/seat0-greeter.log
Yup, GTK warning:

(lightdm-gtk-greeter:690): Gtk-WARNING **: Drawing a gadget with
negative dime
nsions. Did you forget to allocate a size? (node menubar owner
GreeterMenuBar)
There is a zillion of those warnings. Are you seeing this Stephan??
Anyone else?? Is anyone seeing gtk being reported in the bug track?? Ric


-- 
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html

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#172425

On 18/09/16 07:57 PM, Ric Moore wrote:
> On 09/18/2016 06:00 PM, Kent West wrote:
>> On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 3:28 PM, bell canada <bellcanadardp@gmail.com
>> <mailto:bellcanadardp@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     hello i installed debian 8 and i cant get into my desktop..why plz
>> help
>>
>>     roberto
>>     438 881 9269 <tel:438%20881%209269>
>>     all i get is ablack scren
>>     even recory mode doesnt help
>>
>>
>> Do you get to a login prompt at all (graphical or text-based)?
>>
>> What happens if you press Ctrl-Alt-F2?
> If the OP would do that, login as his user and enter "startx", I bet a
> donut that he gets to his desktop. Mine is STILL boroken that way
> ...POS. synaptic isn't fixed yet. <sighs> Someone just shoot me. Ric
>
>


   I'll shoot you if you promise to return the favor :) The whole Mate
desktop is broken because of GTK 3.2whatever :)

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#172503

On 09/18/2016 09:42 PM, Frank McCormick wrote:
> On 18/09/16 07:57 PM, Ric Moore wrote:
>> On 09/18/2016 06:00 PM, Kent West wrote:
>>> On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 3:28 PM, bell canada <bellcanadardp@gmail.com
>>> <mailto:bellcanadardp@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     hello i installed debian 8 and i cant get into my desktop..why plz
>>> help
>>>
>>>     roberto
>>>     438 881 9269 <tel:438%20881%209269>
>>>     all i get is ablack scren
>>>     even recory mode doesnt help
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you get to a login prompt at all (graphical or text-based)?
>>>
>>> What happens if you press Ctrl-Alt-F2?
>> If the OP would do that, login as his user and enter "startx", I bet a
>> donut that he gets to his desktop. Mine is STILL boroken that way
>> ...POS. synaptic isn't fixed yet. <sighs> Someone just shoot me. Ric
>>
>>
>
>
>   I'll shoot you if you promise to return the favor :) The whole Mate
> desktop is broken because of GTK 3.2whatever :)

I promise. The only upside is that all those Ubuntu users will be soon 
crying like grandmothers. That is a sad way to think. <evil cackles> Ric


-- 
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html

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#172537

On Mon, 2016-09-19 at 17:01 -0400, Ric Moore wrote:
> On 09/18/2016 09:42 PM, Frank McCormick wrote:
> > 
> > On 18/09/16 07:57 PM, Ric Moore wrote:
> > > 
> > > On 09/18/2016 06:00 PM, Kent West wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 3:28 PM, bell canada <bellcanadardp@gma
> > > > il.com
> > > > <mailto:bellcanadardp@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > >     hello i installed debian 8 and i cant get into my
> > > > desktop..why plz
> > > > help
> > > > 
> > > >     roberto
> > > >     438 881 9269 <tel:438%20881%209269>
> > > >     all i get is ablack scren
> > > >     even recory mode doesnt help
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Do you get to a login prompt at all (graphical or text-based)?
> > > > 
> > > > What happens if you press Ctrl-Alt-F2?
> > > If the OP would do that, login as his user and enter "startx", I
> > > bet a
> > > donut that he gets to his desktop. Mine is STILL boroken that way
> > > ...POS. synaptic isn't fixed yet. <sighs> Someone just shoot me.
> > > Ric
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> >   I'll shoot you if you promise to return the favor :) The whole
> > Mate
> > desktop is broken because of GTK 3.2whatever :)
> 
> I promise. The only upside is that all those Ubuntu users will be
> soon 
> crying like grandmothers. That is a sad way to think. <evil cackles>
> Ric
> 
> 
I can re-create this in some way although maybe not the same as the OP
as not enough information is given.

Normally when installing a secondary system on the box here, it would
format the swap space giving it a new UUID, I would get the prompt when
starting up about not being able to load the swap space, wait 90 secs
then boot without one and edit fstab to reflect the new UUID.
However, when not using nouveau drivers (in my case Nvidias latest
361.45.18-2 kernel modules) if the wrong UUID is present you will be
given a black screen and no possibility of using ctrl-alt-f1 > 7 only
command that works is ctrl-alt-del. Also recovery mode dumps you to the
exact same problem - plain black screen. 
Edit the fstab from another system and you are back to having a normal
log-in. 

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