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  Sound on jessie Alan McConnell <alan@his.com> - 2016-09-16 19:50 +0200
    Re: Sound on jessie steef <debian.linux@home.nl> - 2016-09-16 20:40 +0200
    Re: Sound on jessie Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2016-09-16 21:00 +0200
      Re: Sound on jessie deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 09:00 +0200
        Re: Sound on jessie Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> - 2016-09-17 09:40 +0200
        Re: Sound on jessie Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2016-09-17 10:00 +0200
          Re: Sound on jessie rhkramer@gmail.com - 2016-09-17 15:10 +0200
            Re: Sound on jessie Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 00:00 +0200
        Re: Sound on jessie Anthony Baldwin <baldwinlinguas@gmx.com> - 2016-09-17 14:20 +0200
          Re: Sound on jessie Alan McConnell <alan@his.com> - 2016-09-17 15:50 +0200
            Re: Sound on jessie Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 16:40 +0200
            Re: Sound on jessie deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 18:20 +0200
              Re: Sound on jessie Alan McConnell <alan@his.com> - 2016-09-17 18:50 +0200
                Re: Sound on jessie Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2016-09-17 21:50 +0200
                  Re: Sound on jessie Alan McConnell <alan@his.com> - 2016-09-17 23:00 +0200
                    Re: Sound on jessie Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 00:10 +0200
                    Re: Sound on jessie deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 01:10 +0200
              Re: Sound on jessie Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 00:00 +0200
                Re: Sound on jessie deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 00:50 +0200
                  Re: Sound on jessie Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2016-09-18 14:10 +0200
                    Re: Sound on jessie Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-09-19 20:20 +0200
            Re: Sound on jessie Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-09-17 19:20 +0200
            Re: Sound on jessie Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 00:00 +0200
              Re: Sound on Jessie Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-09-18 02:20 +0200
                Re: Sound on Jessie Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-09-18 12:20 +0200
                  Re: Sound on Jessie Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 14:00 +0200
                    Re: Sound on Jessie Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-09-18 19:50 +0200
              Re: Sound on Jessie Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-09-18 02:20 +0200
              Re: Sound on jessie Alan McConnell <alan@his.com> - 2016-09-18 15:40 +0200

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#172313 — Sound on jessie

For some reason, my sound doesn't work on my new machine with its present
jessie install.  It worked on my old machine(which had jessie) and it
works fine here on Windoze(I use youtube to play old Bernie Sanders' speeches,
or Mozart<g>).  So what do I have to do?  I can't find alsa to install, and
pulsesudio is already installed.

Any and all suggestions/fixes appreciated.  Please spare the imprecations and
chastisements!

Alan

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#172315

hi alan,

install synaptic if you haven't allready done so.
do  'sudo synaptic'  and search for 'alsa'  and install (as root) alsa-base alsa-tools the alsa-toolsgui and the aslsamixergui. this last 
package give you some useful possibilities. and in my humble opimion, please get rid of pulse-audio. for me that program is and was allways 
a nuisance. good luck!

steef

groningen, the netherlands




On 16-09-16 19:44, Alan McConnell wrote:
> For some reason, my sound doesn't work on my new machine with its present
> jessie install.  It worked on my old machine(which had jessie) and it
> works fine here on Windoze(I use youtube to play old Bernie Sanders' speeches,
> or Mozart<g>).  So what do I have to do?  I can't find alsa to install, and
> pulsesudio is already installed.
>
> Any and all suggestions/fixes appreciated.  Please spare the imprecations and
> chastisements!
>
> Alan
>
>

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#172316

On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 13:44:09 -0400 (EDT)
Alan McConnell <alan@his.com> wrote:

> For some reason, my sound doesn't work on my new machine with its
> present jessie install.  It worked on my old machine(which had
> jessie) and it works fine here on Windoze(I use youtube to play old
> Bernie Sanders' speeches, or Mozart<g>).  So what do I have to do?  I
> can't find alsa to install, and pulsesudio is already installed.
> 
> Any and all suggestions/fixes appreciated.  Please spare the
> imprecations and chastisements!
> 

Could I first suggest that you get hold of a recent version of
Knoppix? Not just to solve this problem, but you seem to be at a point
where you need a variety of help. It takes forever to boot up, but it's
worth waiting for.

It is based on Debian, and its particular selling point is its hardware
driving abilities. It is based on unstable rather than a released
Debian, but it is still usually possible to see how it achieves
something and to transfer the knowledge to a standard Debian. I won't
say that I've never seen hardware that beats it, but it doesn't happen
often.

More specifically, sound has always been a problem with Linux, not
least because of the variety of systems involved, some of them
optional, and the helpful instructions on the Net which cover many
years and are mostly obsolete. I've no idea of the current state of the
art, as I actually haven't had a sound problem for at least a year, so
someone will correct any of my recollections which are incorrect. I
also don't have a jessie system, but sound changes relatively slowly,
and my wheezy and sid installations look fairly similar.

Basically, there is a low-level driver for the hardware you have, and
various layers of software on top of that. Probably the first job is to
check that you are getting the hardware driver(s) installed, and the
sound card(s) is/are available.

I'm fairly sure pulseaudio is not yet standalone, it operates through
alsa, and there are other tools to operate alsa directly. Rather than
try unfamiliar software to check for cards, look in /proc/asound/cards
(cat /proc/asound/cards). If you don't see the sound device you expect
to see, you're probably not getting the driver installed. If you see
more than one device, and the one you expect isn't the first in the
list, I've reached the limit of my knowledge. I've solved that one
before, but alsa configuration has changed since then, and systemd
has arrived, and you need up-to-date instructions.

If you see the expected device first in the list, then probably all is
well with drivers. Check the audio mixer settings. Cards have different
numbers of level adjustments, you may need more than one turned up to
get internal sound.

If you have a speaker icon on your desktop, right-click and run the
audio mixer. If you don't, try alsamixer from the command line. If it
can't find that, install the package alsamixergui and try again. When
you can see that the right sliders are turned up (all of them if
necessary) try speaker-test -c 2 from the command line, which should
give you noise tests on the two main channels. If you get to that
point, everything ought to work. If not, come back and we'll try to get
further.

-- 
Joe

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#172331

Joe wrote:

> On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 13:44:09 -0400 (EDT)
> Alan McConnell <alan@his.com> wrote:
> 
>> For some reason, my sound doesn't work on my new machine with its
>> present jessie install.  It worked on my old machine(which had
>> jessie) and it works fine here on Windoze(I use youtube to play old
>> Bernie Sanders' speeches, or Mozart<g>).  So what do I have to do?  I
>> can't find alsa to install, and pulsesudio is already installed.
>> 
>> Any and all suggestions/fixes appreciated.  Please spare the
>> imprecations and chastisements!
>> 
> 
> Could I first suggest that you get hold of a recent version of
> Knoppix? Not just to solve this problem, but you seem to be at a point
> where you need a variety of help. It takes forever to boot up, but it's
> worth waiting for.
> 

Joe we are not doing advertisements for this or that distro. Either provide
an answer or do nothing please ...

"Based on unstable" - pathethic

thanks and regards

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#172332

First try which amixer and if that isn't found, download alsa-utils.
Next sudo -H amixer set Master 85%;alsactl store
On 
Sat, 17 Sep 2016, deloptes wrote:

> Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 02:57:12
> From: deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Sound on jessie
> Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 06:57:45 +0000 (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> 
> Joe wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 13:44:09 -0400 (EDT)
>> Alan McConnell <alan@his.com> wrote:
>>
>>> For some reason, my sound doesn't work on my new machine with its
>>> present jessie install.  It worked on my old machine(which had
>>> jessie) and it works fine here on Windoze(I use youtube to play old
>>> Bernie Sanders' speeches, or Mozart<g>).  So what do I have to do?  I
>>> can't find alsa to install, and pulsesudio is already installed.
>>>
>>> Any and all suggestions/fixes appreciated.  Please spare the
>>> imprecations and chastisements!
>>>
>>
>> Could I first suggest that you get hold of a recent version of
>> Knoppix? Not just to solve this problem, but you seem to be at a point
>> where you need a variety of help. It takes forever to boot up, but it's
>> worth waiting for.
>>
>
> Joe we are not doing advertisements for this or that distro. Either provide
> an answer or do nothing please ...
>
> "Based on unstable" - pathethic
>
> thanks and regards
>
>

-- 

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#172333

On Sat, 17 Sep 2016 08:57:12 +0200
deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> wrote:


> >   
> 
> Joe we are not doing advertisements for this or that distro.

'Advertisement'? I'm recommending something I've found to be a useful
troubleshooting tool, over many years. It is of no use as a permanent
installation, as it cannot be upgraded.

> Either
> provide an answer or do nothing please ...
> 

Why don't you have a look at the bit you snipped?

-- 
Joe

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#172341

On Saturday, September 17, 2016 03:56:20 AM Joe wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Sep 2016 08:57:12 +0200
> 
> deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Joe we are not doing advertisements for this or that distro.
> 
> 'Advertisement'? I'm recommending something I've found to be a useful
> troubleshooting tool, over many years. It is of no use as a permanent
> installation, as it cannot be upgraded.

+1 (for the reference to Knoppix not being an advertisement, but rather a 
helpful referral to a useful troubleshooting tool)

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#172362

On Saturday 17 September 2016 14:03:36 rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, September 17, 2016 03:56:20 AM Joe wrote:
> > On Sat, 17 Sep 2016 08:57:12 +0200
> >
> > deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Joe we are not doing advertisements for this or that distro.
> >
> > 'Advertisement'? I'm recommending something I've found to be a useful
> > troubleshooting tool, over many years. It is of no use as a permanent
> > installation, as it cannot be upgraded.
>
> +1 (for the reference to Knoppix not being an advertisement, but rather a
> helpful referral to a useful troubleshooting tool)

Plus another.  Great hardware troubleshooting tool.  And comes on a CD.  Big 
plus again.

Lisi

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#172339

On 09/17/2016 02:57 AM, deloptes wrote:
> Joe wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 13:44:09 -0400 (EDT)
>> Alan McConnell <alan@his.com> wrote:
>>
>>> For some reason, my sound doesn't work on my new machine with its
>>> present jessie install.  It worked on my old machine(which had
>>> jessie) and it works fine here on Windoze(I use youtube to play old
>>> Bernie Sanders' speeches, or Mozart<g>).  So what do I have to do?  I
>>> can't find alsa to install, and pulsesudio is already installed.
>>>
>>> Any and all suggestions/fixes appreciated.  Please spare the
>>> imprecations and chastisements!


I was having a similar problem just last week after an update>safe upgrade..
After scratching my head for several days and trying everything I could 
think of (including querying this list), I found I had something called 
PulseAudio-volume-control installed, a graphical tool to manage volume 
for PA , and, when I found it, it showed "analog output" as muted (no 
idea why), I unmuted it, and had my sound back!
If you can't find it, install it and check all the volume settings.
It's listed in the repos as pavucontrol.
so just apt-get install pavucontrol .
  (or aptitude if you prefer)
aptitude install pavucontrol

>>>
>>
>> Could I first suggest that you get hold of a recent version of
>> Knoppix? Not just to solve this problem, but you seem to be at a point
>> where you need a variety of help. It takes forever to boot up, but it's
>> worth waiting for.
>>
>
> Joe we are not doing advertisements for this or that distro. Either provide
> an answer or do nothing please ...
>
> "Based on unstable" - pathethic
>
> thanks and regards
>


-- 
http://www.baldwinlinguas.com
translations, localization,
multilingual web development
EN, ES, FR, PT

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#172342

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony Baldwin" <baldwinlinguas@gmx.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 7:56:48 AM
Subject: Re: Sound on jessie


I was having a similar problem just last week after an update>safe upgrade..
After scratching my head for several days and trying everything I could 
think of (including querying this list), I found I had something called 
PulseAudio-volume-control installed, a graphical tool to manage volume 
for PA , and, when I found it, it showed "analog output" as muted (no 
idea why), I unmuted it, and had my sound back!
If you can't find it, install it and check all the volume settings.
It's listed in the repos as pavucontrol.
so just apt-get install pavucontrol .
  (or aptitude if you prefer)
aptitude install pavucontrol
     Many thanks for your suggestion, Anthony.  But I've already tried
     pavucontrol, which I had installed quite a while ago.  So I'm still
     stymied.  

     Alas for the days of wheezy, when everything _worked_!!

Alan, who is pleased at least to be able to get on line from his jessie install

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#172345

On 09/17/2016 09:43 AM, Alan McConnell wrote:
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Anthony Baldwin" <baldwinlinguas@gmx.com>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 7:56:48 AM
> Subject: Re: Sound on jessie
>
>
> I was having a similar problem just last week after an update>safe upgrade..
> After scratching my head for several days and trying everything I could
> think of (including querying this list), I found I had something called
> PulseAudio-volume-control installed, a graphical tool to manage volume
> for PA , and, when I found it, it showed "analog output" as muted (no
> idea why), I unmuted it, and had my sound back!
> If you can't find it, install it and check all the volume settings.
> It's listed in the repos as pavucontrol.
> so just apt-get install pavucontrol .
>   (or aptitude if you prefer)
> aptitude install pavucontrol
>      Many thanks for your suggestion, Anthony.  But I've already tried
>      pavucontrol, which I had installed quite a while ago.  So I'm still
>      stymied.
>
>      Alas for the days of wheezy, when everything _worked_!!

Use alsamixer first, as a general rule. pavucontrol cannot override 
alsa's settings. Set alsa correctly, pulse will work. Ric

p/s wheezy could blow up nicely as well. <cackles>

-- 
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html

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#172347

Alan McConnell wrote:

> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Anthony Baldwin" <baldwinlinguas@gmx.com>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 7:56:48 AM
> Subject: Re: Sound on jessie
> 
> 
> I was having a similar problem just last week after an update>safe
> upgrade.. After scratching my head for several days and trying everything
> I could think of (including querying this list), I found I had something
> called PulseAudio-volume-control installed, a graphical tool to manage
> volume for PA , and, when I found it, it showed "analog output" as muted
> (no idea why), I unmuted it, and had my sound back!
> If you can't find it, install it and check all the volume settings.
> It's listed in the repos as pavucontrol.
> so just apt-get install pavucontrol .
>   (or aptitude if you prefer)
> aptitude install pavucontrol
>      Many thanks for your suggestion, Anthony.  But I've already tried
>      pavucontrol, which I had installed quite a while ago.  So I'm still
>      stymied.
> 
>      Alas for the days of wheezy, when everything _worked_!!
> 
> Alan, who is pleased at least to be able to get on line from his jessie
> install

Usually there is a problem with something muted, so if pulse is OK go down
and check alsamixer.

If for some reason alsamixer (alsa-utils) is not in ubunto - I don't know.

If this does not help provide information on your audio chip

lspci | grep Audio

cat /sys/bus/hdaudio/devices/hdaudioC0D0/chip_name
ALC3226

It could be (writing from experience) that new kernel with drivers enabled
HDMI for your chipset and now you have a different cards order - If you
have HDMI audio, you may try disabling this in bios.

regards

PS: To all "recommending" - Knoppix - it is great, but it is not the way to
put it forward here (IMO).
Now that we know Alan is using Ubuntu, he could even try ubuntu live in
former or current version to compare.

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#172349

----- Original Message -----
From: "deloptes" <deloptes@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 12:17:55 PM
Subject: Re: Sound on jessie

Alan McConnell wrote:

> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Anthony Baldwin" <baldwinlinguas@gmx.com>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 7:56:48 AM
> Subject: Re: Sound on jessie
> 
> 
> I was having a similar problem just last week after an update>safe
> upgrade.. After scratching my head for several days and trying everything
> I could think of (including querying this list), I found I had something
> called PulseAudio-volume-control installed, a graphical tool to manage
> volume for PA , and, when I found it, it showed "analog output" as muted
> (no idea why), I unmuted it, and had my sound back!
> If you can't find it, install it and check all the volume settings.
> It's listed in the repos as pavucontrol.
> so just apt-get install pavucontrol .
>   (or aptitude if you prefer)
> aptitude install pavucontrol
>      Many thanks for your suggestion, Anthony.  But I've already tried
>      pavucontrol, which I had installed quite a while ago.  So I'm still
>      stymied.
> 
>      Alas for the days of wheezy, when everything _worked_!!
> 
> Alan, who is pleased at least to be able to get on line from his jessie
> install

Usually there is a problem with something muted, so if pulse is OK go down
and check alsamixer.
         I have tried that. Both channels(?) are set to 100, and I can move
         them lower with the Arrow keys.  Otherwise I don't know how to
         operate this ncurses device.

Now that we know Alan is using Ubuntu, he could even try ubuntu live in
former or current version to compare.
         <LOL>  I am not part of that "we".  I am not using Ubuntu.  Furthermore
         if I want to hear some nice music or listen to a Sanders speech on
         youtube, I get out of jessie, run my Windoze, use the Edge brower
         and go to youtube, where the sound works just great.

         This suggests to me, and I hope to my readers here, that there is
         something wrong with the way  alsa  works, or doesn't work, here.
         I can't imagine what the difficulty is, since the cogent suggestions
         that have been made here have not worked.

Perhaps others have some ideas?

Alan

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#172356

On Sat, 17 Sep 2016 12:47:23 -0400 (EDT)
Alan McConnell <alan@his.com> wrote:


> 
>          This suggests to me, and I hope to my readers here, that
> there is something wrong with the way  alsa  works, or doesn't work,
> here. I can't imagine what the difficulty is, since the cogent
> suggestions that have been made here have not worked.
> 
> Perhaps others have some ideas?

First, what did you try, and with what result? Are you seeing your
sound device in /proc/asound/cards, which volume control(s) did you get
working, what error message if any did speaker-test return?

-- 
Joe

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#172358

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe" <joe@jretrading.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 3:47:10 PM
Subject: Re: Sound on jessie

On Sat, 17 Sep 2016 12:47:23 -0400 (EDT)
Alan McConnell <alan@his.com> wrote:


> 
>          This suggests to me, and I hope to my readers here, that
> there is something wrong with the way  alsa  works, or doesn't work,
> here. I can't imagine what the difficulty is, since the cogent
> suggestions that have been made here have not worked.
> 
> Perhaps others have some ideas?

First, what did you try, and with what result?
      I tried to install alsa.  No result -- I think it is already installed.
      I installed everything else I could with a name involving alsa.
      I have run    ps aux | grep alsa   with no result.
      As already described, I tried alsamixer.

Here is the result of    cat /proc/asound/cards:

 0 [PCH            ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH
                      HDA Intel PCH at 0xdf320000 irq 142
 1 [NVidia         ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia
                      HDA NVidia at 0xdf080000 irq 17

     I have no idea what the above means.  Presumably one or both are
     functional.

     I remind you and others that my sound works splendidly when I switch 
     OSes and log into my Windoze.

Thank you for showing an interest.

Alan

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#172363

On Saturday 17 September 2016 21:58:55 Alan McConnell wrote:
> I tried to install alsa.  No result -- I think it is already installed.

By what method did you try and what reason have you to think that it is 
already installed?

(I am troubleshooting, not carping.)

Lisi

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#172367

Alan McConnell wrote:

> 0 [PCH            ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH
> HDA Intel PCH at 0xdf320000 irq 142
> 1 [NVidia         ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia
> HDA NVidia at 0xdf080000 irq 17
> 
> I have no idea what the above means.  Presumably one or both are
> functional.

So which one is your preferred card (where your audio system is plugged in)?
Have you tried setting the other in the Output configuration of pulse audio?
Before upgrading - did you use pulse or plain alsa?

arecord -l
can help see the cards in their order

arecord -L
will give you more detailed information, which you can use in aplay to test
each card directly

aplay -Dsysdefault somewavfile.wav
aplay -Dplughw:CARD=PCH,DEV=0 somewavfile.wav

After I upgraded to jessie mixer was muted. Unfortunately alsamixer is
hooked to the default pulse audio, so to get it working with the card
directly rather with pulse I use alsamixer -c0 you can also go for
alsamixer -c1

BTW alsa is not a process running so ps -A  | grep alsa does nothing.

I hope this helps
regards

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#172360

On Saturday 17 September 2016 17:17:55 deloptes wrote:
> Now that we know Alan is using Ubuntu, he could even try ubuntu live in
> former or current version to compare.

He keeps saying that he is using Jessie.  Why do you think he is using Ubuntu?

Lisi

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#172365

Lisi Reisz wrote:

> He keeps saying that he is using Jessie.  Why do you think he is using
> Ubuntu?
Sorry I seem to have misread something.

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#172386

On 2016-09-17, deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> wrote:
> Lisi Reisz wrote:
>
>> He keeps saying that he is using Jessie.  Why do you think he is using
>> Ubuntu?
> Sorry I seem to have misread something.
>

Easy to do in these protracted, tangential, niggling threads that
devolve into acrimony and invidiousness before expiring in a liminal
whimper.

-- 
“It is enough that the arrows fit exactly in the wounds that they have made.”
Franz Kafka

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