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  update-alternatives, list alternatives? Tony Baldwin <tonybaldwin@gmx.com> - 2016-09-16 16:20 +0200
    Re: update-alternatives, list alternatives? The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2016-09-16 16:40 +0200
      Re: update-alternatives, list alternatives? Tony Baldwin <tonybaldwin@gmx.com> - 2016-09-16 17:00 +0200
        Re: update-alternatives, list alternatives? The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2016-09-16 17:10 +0200
        Re: update-alternatives, list alternatives? Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2016-09-16 17:50 +0200
        Re: update-alternatives, list alternatives? Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 00:30 +0200
          Re: update-alternatives, list alternatives? Tony Baldwin <tonybaldwin@gmx.com> - 2016-09-17 01:00 +0200
            Re: update-alternatives, list alternatives? Anthony Baldwin <baldwinlinguas@gmx.com> - 2016-09-17 01:30 +0200
            Re: update-alternatives, list alternatives? Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 04:40 +0200
      Re: update-alternatives, list alternatives? Tony Baldwin <tonybaldwin@gmx.com> - 2016-09-16 21:20 +0200
        Re: update-alternatives, list alternatives? Anthony Baldwin <baldwinlinguas@gmx.com> - 2016-09-16 23:10 +0200
          Re: update-alternatives, list alternatives? Dutch Ingraham <stoa@gmx.us> - 2016-09-16 23:50 +0200
        Re: update-alternatives, list alternatives? Liam O'Toole <liam.p.otoole@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 00:50 +0200
          Re: update-alternatives, list alternatives? Tony Baldwin <tonybaldwin@gmx.com> - 2016-09-17 01:00 +0200
            Re: update-alternatives, list alternatives? Dutch Ingraham <stoa@gmx.us> - 2016-09-17 01:10 +0200

#172303 — update-alternatives, list alternatives?

I'm having another headache...

I want to make Icedove the default mail client.
I had this done on the last Jessie system I had (on a now defunct hdd).
But I can't recall how I did it, if it was with update-alternative or 
some other means..
And something that's been bothering me for a while is:
I can't seem to find or figure out how to list all the alternatives I 
can manage with update-alternatives.
I mean, I can get a list for a particular item, like x-www-browser or 
editor, but I want a list of all those possible things to update 
(x-www-browser, editor, etc.)
Is there such a list somewhere?
Thanks,
Tony

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#172306

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On 2016-09-16 at 10:10, Tony Baldwin wrote:

> I'm having another headache...
> 
> I want to make Icedove the default mail client.
> I had this done on the last Jessie system I had (on a now defunct hdd).
> But I can't recall how I did it, if it was with update-alternative or 
> some other means..
> And something that's been bothering me for a while is:
> I can't seem to find or figure out how to list all the alternatives I 
> can manage with update-alternatives.
> I mean, I can get a list for a particular item, like x-www-browser or 
> editor, but I want a list of all those possible things to update 
> (x-www-browser, editor, etc.)
> Is there such a list somewhere?

From the man page,

update-alternatives --get-selections

looks like it should do what you want, at least as far as alternative
groups currently present on the system. (Naturally, because any package
can add a new link group - or the administrator can do it manually, if
desired - nothing can provide a list of every possible link group which
could exist.)

I don't see any obvious sign of a generic "mail client" link group
listed there, though.

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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.         -- George Bernard Shaw

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#172307

On 09/16/2016 10:29 AM, The Wanderer wrote:
> On 2016-09-16 at 10:10, Tony Baldwin wrote:
>
>> I'm having another headache...
>>
>> I want to make Icedove the default mail client.
>> I had this done on the last Jessie system I had (on a now defunct hdd).
>> But I can't recall how I did it, if it was with update-alternative or
>> some other means..
>> And something that's been bothering me for a while is:
>> I can't seem to find or figure out how to list all the alternatives I
>> can manage with update-alternatives.
>> I mean, I can get a list for a particular item, like x-www-browser or
>> editor, but I want a list of all those possible things to update
>> (x-www-browser, editor, etc.)
>> Is there such a list somewhere?
>
> From the man page,
>
> update-alternatives --get-selections
>
> looks like it should do what you want, at least as far as alternative
> groups currently present on the system. (Naturally, because any package
> can add a new link group - or the administrator can do it manually, if
> desired - nothing can provide a list of every possible link group which
> could exist.)
>
> I don't see any obvious sign of a generic "mail client" link group
> listed there, though.
>

My apologies to the Wanderer, who will now be seeing this twice, as I 
mistakenly replied to him off-list... (keep forgetting to use reply-list)

Indeed:
# update-alternatives --get-selections | grep mail
mailx                          auto     /usr/bin/bsd-mailx

but also:
# update-alternatives --config mailx
There is only one alternative in link group mailx (providing 
/usr/bin/mailx): /usr/bin/bsd-mailx
Nothing to configure.


it seems it won't let me set a mail client

I should probably mention that I'm using chromium as my browser; getting 
firefox or iceweasel to use icedove is like falling off a log it's so easy.
I had it working on the Jessie on an hdd that just died on me 
(thankfully not until I'd downloaded and made an install disk to install 
on the other hdd, which I'm using now.)
But in my old age, I can't remember for the life of me how I did it.
I don't believe it was with update-alternatives.
I think I edited some config file somewhere, but for the life of me, I 
can't recall where.

thanks,
Tony


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http://tonybaldwin.me
all tony, all the time

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On 2016-09-16 at 10:56, Tony Baldwin wrote:

> On 09/16/2016 10:29 AM, The Wanderer wrote:
>
>> On 2016-09-16 at 10:10, Tony Baldwin wrote:
>>
>>> I'm having another headache...
>>>
>>> I want to make Icedove the default mail client.
>>> I had this done on the last Jessie system I had (on a now defunct hdd).
>>> But I can't recall how I did it, if it was with update-alternative or
>>> some other means..
>>> And something that's been bothering me for a while is:
>>> I can't seem to find or figure out how to list all the alternatives I
>>> can manage with update-alternatives.
>>> I mean, I can get a list for a particular item, like x-www-browser or
>>> editor, but I want a list of all those possible things to update
>>> (x-www-browser, editor, etc.)
>>> Is there such a list somewhere?
>>
>> From the man page,
>>
>> update-alternatives --get-selections
>>
>> looks like it should do what you want, at least as far as alternative
>> groups currently present on the system. (Naturally, because any package
>> can add a new link group - or the administrator can do it manually, if
>> desired - nothing can provide a list of every possible link group which
>> could exist.)
>>
>> I don't see any obvious sign of a generic "mail client" link group
>> listed there, though.
> 
> My apologies to the Wanderer, who will now be seeing this twice, as I 
> mistakenly replied to him off-list... (keep forgetting to use reply-list)

No worries.

> Indeed:
> # update-alternatives --get-selections | grep mail
> mailx                          auto     /usr/bin/bsd-mailx
> 
> but also:
> # update-alternatives --config mailx
> There is only one alternative in link group mailx (providing 
> /usr/bin/mailx): /usr/bin/bsd-mailx
> Nothing to configure.
> 
> 
> it seems it won't let me set a mail client
> 
> I should probably mention that I'm using chromium as my browser; getting 
> firefox or iceweasel to use icedove is like falling off a log it's so easy.
> I had it working on the Jessie on an hdd that just died on me 
> (thankfully not until I'd downloaded and made an install disk to install 
> on the other hdd, which I'm using now.)
> But in my old age, I can't remember for the life of me how I did it.
> I don't believe it was with update-alternatives.
> I think I edited some config file somewhere, but for the life of me, I 
> can't recall where.

Apparently the "correct" way to do this (as opposed to the easiest,
which may be the one I linked you to in private mail but which will
probably break if the relevant package is ever updated) involves
fiddling around with xdg-email or xdg-open or the related suite of commands.

Setting the default programs which those commands will use is apparently
done via 'xdg-mime default', but I don't know what MIME type to tell it
to configure in order to affect handling of mailto: URLs, and none of my
digging so far has turned up anything useful. (There are a few search
results which explain a way to do it assuming you're using the full
GNOME graphical interface, including their settings dialogs, but that's
not exactly a good or a portable solution.)

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.         -- George Bernard Shaw

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#172309

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 10:56:44AM -0400, Tony Baldwin wrote:
> Indeed:
> # update-alternatives --get-selections | grep mail
> mailx                          auto     /usr/bin/bsd-mailx
> 
> but also:
> # update-alternatives --config mailx
> There is only one alternative in link group mailx (providing 
> /usr/bin/mailx): /usr/bin/bsd-mailx
> Nothing to configure.
> 
> 
> it seems it won't let me set a mail client

The other alternative for mailx is heirloom-mailx and I would strongly
recommend that one over bsd-mailx.  heirloom-mailx has lots more
features, including the ability to specify MIME attachment files from
the command line.

In general, if you're wondering how to find out what the alternatives
are for a given virtual package:

$ apt-cache showpkg mailx
...
Reverse Provides: 
mailutils 1:2.99.98-2
heirloom-mailx 12.5-4
bsd-mailx 8.1.2-0.20141216cvs-2

So, three choices.  I only knew about the latter two.

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#172322

On 09/16/2016 10:56 AM, Tony Baldwin wrote:

> But in my old age, I can't remember for the life of me how I did it.
> I don't believe it was with update-alternatives.
> I think I edited some config file somewhere, but for the life of me, I
> can't recall where.

Crank up Settings Manager and edit your desires with "Preferred 
Applications". Ric


-- 
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html

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#172325

On 09/16/2016 06:20 PM, Ric Moore wrote:
> On 09/16/2016 10:56 AM, Tony Baldwin wrote:
>
>> But in my old age, I can't remember for the life of me how I did it.
>> I don't believe it was with update-alternatives.
>> I think I edited some config file somewhere, but for the life of me, I
>> can't recall where.
>
> Crank up Settings Manager and edit your desires with "Preferred
> Applications". Ric
>
>

What is this settings manager of which you speak?
I can't seem to locate any such pkg on my system

LLAP
tony

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#172327

On 09/16/2016 06:54 PM, Tony Baldwin wrote:
> On 09/16/2016 06:20 PM, Ric Moore wrote:
>> On 09/16/2016 10:56 AM, Tony Baldwin wrote:
>>
>>> But in my old age, I can't remember for the life of me how I did it.
>>> I don't believe it was with update-alternatives.
>>> I think I edited some config file somewhere, but for the life of me, I
>>> can't recall where.
>>
>> Crank up Settings Manager and edit your desires with "Preferred
>> Applications". Ric
>>
>>
>
> What is this settings manager of which you speak?
> I can't seem to locate any such pkg on my system

Interestingly, as can be seen in this screenshot: 
http://tonybaldwin.me/images/091616190007.jpg
Icedove is set to "always check to see if [it] is the default on startup"
and yet, it hasn't checked, asked or pestered me about its status as 
default or not even once, although it appears to be set as default for 
mail (or that option is greyed out.. I can't figure out which, although, 
perhaps greyed out makes sense since update alternatives says there are 
no options for mail, but insists on keeping it as "bsd-mailx).
>
> LLAP
> tony
>


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multilingual web development
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#172329

On 09/16/2016 06:54 PM, Tony Baldwin wrote:
> On 09/16/2016 06:20 PM, Ric Moore wrote:
>> On 09/16/2016 10:56 AM, Tony Baldwin wrote:
>>
>>> But in my old age, I can't remember for the life of me how I did it.
>>> I don't believe it was with update-alternatives.
>>> I think I edited some config file somewhere, but for the life of me, I
>>> can't recall where.
>>
>> Crank up Settings Manager and edit your desires with "Preferred
>> Applications". Ric
>>
>>
>
> What is this settings manager of which you speak?
> I can't seem to locate any such pkg on my system

Sorry, I later caught that you were using a minimalist DE. XFCE4 or LXDE 
are pretty lightweight and have all the nice bells and whistles you 
could want. Sorry, wish I could better help. Ric


-- 
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html

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#172317

On 09/16/2016 10:52 AM, The Wanderer wrote:
> (Is there a particular reason you replied to me privately, rather than
> to the mailing list?)
>
>> I should probably mention that I'm using chromium as my browser;
>> getting firefox or iceweasel to use icedove is like falling off a log
>> it's so easy. I had it working on the Jessie on an hdd that just died
>> on me (thankfully not until I'd downloaded and made an install disk
>> to install on the other hdd, which I'm using now.) But in my old age,
>> I can't remember for the life of me how I did it. I don't believe it
>> was with update-alternatives. I think I edited some config file
>> somewhere, but for the life of me, I can't recall where.
>
> A quick bit of Googling finds a discussion of a similar subject from a
> few years back:
>
> http://forums.bodhilinux.com/index.php?/topic/3063-solved-chromium-mailto-link-doesnt-open-on-thunderbird-xdg-email/
>
I haven't the slightest idea where to find
settings panel >default applications >email
As the forum thread doesn't say what settings panel where.
And I can't find anything in chrome://settings that corresponds to mail 
or default applications.
nor is there anything in my systemmenu under settings for default 
applications.
Perhaps the forum user was referring to something in the default wm 
(mate or something?) which I don't use.
I'm using openbox with the fbpanel.


> I'm not sure this is the _only_ way to do it, or necessarily the best,
> but someone did report it worked for them.
>


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#172320

I've tried removing and re-creating the symlinks for mail, Mail and 
mailx in /etc/alternatives an pointing them to icedove, and still when I 
  click on any mailto link, I get a terminal with Mutt.
I don't even have mutt configured on this machine, my mail provider 
seems to not like mutt
I've googled until my eyes bled, etc., etc., but I have yet to find a 
solution to this.
I just want icedove to be the default mua, and to work with chromium 
when I click on a mailto:// link.

Any assistance appreciated.
Thanks,
Tony

On 09/16/2016 03:10 PM, Tony Baldwin wrote:
> On 09/16/2016 10:52 AM, The Wanderer wrote:
>> (Is there a particular reason you replied to me privately, rather than
>> to the mailing list?)
>>
>>> I should probably mention that I'm using chromium as my browser;
>>> getting firefox or iceweasel to use icedove is like falling off a log
>>> it's so easy. I had it working on the Jessie on an hdd that just died
>>> on me (thankfully not until I'd downloaded and made an install disk
>>> to install on the other hdd, which I'm using now.) But in my old age,
>>> I can't remember for the life of me how I did it. I don't believe it
>>> was with update-alternatives. I think I edited some config file
>>> somewhere, but for the life of me, I can't recall where.
>>
>> A quick bit of Googling finds a discussion of a similar subject from a
>> few years back:
>>
>> http://forums.bodhilinux.com/index.php?/topic/3063-solved-chromium-mailto-link-doesnt-open-on-thunderbird-xdg-email/
>>
>>
> I haven't the slightest idea where to find
> settings panel >default applications >email
> As the forum thread doesn't say what settings panel where.
> And I can't find anything in chrome://settings that corresponds to mail
> or default applications.
> nor is there anything in my systemmenu under settings for default
> applications.
> Perhaps the forum user was referring to something in the default wm
> (mate or something?) which I don't use.
> I'm using openbox with the fbpanel.
>
>
>> I'm not sure this is the _only_ way to do it, or necessarily the best,
>> but someone did report it worked for them.
>>
>
>


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multilingual web development
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#172321

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 04:50:49PM -0400, Anthony Baldwin wrote:
> I just want icedove to be the default mua, and to work with chromium when I
> click on a mailto:// link.

I don't have Icedove handy, but on Thunderbird, I just go to 
edit -> preferences -> advanced, then click "check now" under "System
Integration," then check the box(es) of my choice.  Doesn't Icedove have this
functionality?

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#172323

On 2016-09-16, Tony Baldwin <tonybaldwin@gmx.com> wrote:
> On 09/16/2016 10:52 AM, The Wanderer wrote:
>> (Is there a particular reason you replied to me privately, rather than
>> to the mailing list?)
>>
>>> I should probably mention that I'm using chromium as my browser;
>>> getting firefox or iceweasel to use icedove is like falling off a log
>>> it's so easy. I had it working on the Jessie on an hdd that just died
>>> on me (thankfully not until I'd downloaded and made an install disk
>>> to install on the other hdd, which I'm using now.) But in my old age,
>>> I can't remember for the life of me how I did it. I don't believe it
>>> was with update-alternatives. I think I edited some config file
>>> somewhere, but for the life of me, I can't recall where.
>>
>> A quick bit of Googling finds a discussion of a similar subject from a
>> few years back:
>>
>> http://forums.bodhilinux.com/index.php?/topic/3063-solved-chromium-mailto-link-doesnt-open-on-thunderbird-xdg-email/
>>
> I haven't the slightest idea where to find
> settings panel >default applications >email
> As the forum thread doesn't say what settings panel where.
> And I can't find anything in chrome://settings that corresponds to mail 
> or default applications.
> nor is there anything in my systemmenu under settings for default 
> applications.
> Perhaps the forum user was referring to something in the default wm 
> (mate or something?) which I don't use.
> I'm using openbox with the fbpanel.

openbox doesn't have a GUI for setting up the association you want.
Instead, go to the file ~/.config/mimeapps.list (creating it if
necessary) and add the following:

[Added Associations]
x-scheme-handler/mailto=icedove.desktop

See the documentation[1] for more details.

1:
https://standards.freedesktop.org/mime-apps-spec/mime-apps-spec-1.0.1.html

-- 

Liam

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#172324

On 09/16/2016 06:19 PM, Liam O'Toole wrote:
> On 2016-09-16, Tony Baldwin <tonybaldwin@gmx.com> wrote:
>> On 09/16/2016 10:52 AM, The Wanderer wrote:
>>> (Is there a particular reason you replied to me privately, rather than
>>> to the mailing list?)
>>>
>>>> I should probably mention that I'm using chromium as my browser;
>>>> getting firefox or iceweasel to use icedove is like falling off a log
>>>> it's so easy. I had it working on the Jessie on an hdd that just died
>>>> on me (thankfully not until I'd downloaded and made an install disk
>>>> to install on the other hdd, which I'm using now.) But in my old age,
>>>> I can't remember for the life of me how I did it. I don't believe it
>>>> was with update-alternatives. I think I edited some config file
>>>> somewhere, but for the life of me, I can't recall where.
>>>
>>> A quick bit of Googling finds a discussion of a similar subject from a
>>> few years back:
>>>
>>> http://forums.bodhilinux.com/index.php?/topic/3063-solved-chromium-mailto-link-doesnt-open-on-thunderbird-xdg-email/
>>>
>> I haven't the slightest idea where to find
>> settings panel >default applications >email
>> As the forum thread doesn't say what settings panel where.
>> And I can't find anything in chrome://settings that corresponds to mail
>> or default applications.
>> nor is there anything in my systemmenu under settings for default
>> applications.
>> Perhaps the forum user was referring to something in the default wm
>> (mate or something?) which I don't use.
>> I'm using openbox with the fbpanel.
>
> openbox doesn't have a GUI for setting up the association you want.
> Instead, go to the file ~/.config/mimeapps.list (creating it if
> necessary) and add the following:
>
> [Added Associations]
> x-scheme-handler/mailto=icedove.desktop
>
> See the documentation[1] for more details.
>
> 1:
> https://standards.freedesktop.org/mime-apps-spec/mime-apps-spec-1.0.1.html
>

I did this, and restarted openbox, and still get a terminal with mutt 
when I click a mailto: in chromium, but thanks for this,
I believe it's how I got it working on my prior jessie installation,
no idea why it isn't working on this one.

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#172326

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 06:55:58PM -0400, Tony Baldwin wrote:
> On 09/16/2016 06:19 PM, Liam O'Toole wrote:
> > openbox doesn't have a GUI for setting up the association you want.
> > Instead, go to the file ~/.config/mimeapps.list (creating it if
> > necessary) and add the following:
> > 
> > [Added Associations]
> > x-scheme-handler/mailto=icedove.desktop
> > 
> > See the documentation[1] for more details.
> > 
> > 1:
> > https://standards.freedesktop.org/mime-apps-spec/mime-apps-spec-1.0.1.html
> > 
> 
> I did this, and restarted openbox, and still get a terminal with mutt when I
> click a mailto: in chromium, but thanks for this,
> I believe it's how I got it working on my prior jessie installation,
> no idea why it isn't working on this one.

I actually have that entry under the heading [Default Applications], not [Added
Associations].  You may need to reboot for that file to be re-read.

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